Paypal dispute over $1700 PSA card I bought on ebay that arrived cracked
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Paypal denied the claim. Requested a chargeback from my card provider Thursday. Gonna call Ebay today.
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Really? I can't believe that. Ebay and Paypal have always been on the buyer's side. I am very surprised by that.
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@Cakes said:
@tonylags said:
How about sending it into PSA and ask seller if he will split the grading fee with you. If he is reasonable I would think that is the least he can do.The above advice, wasn't very good! In fact it's more than likely the worst advice I have seen on the boards in 5 years.
This was before I saw pics of the card.
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I think if JewVol had originally filed a Not As Described claim instead of a Damaged claim, he would have gotten his refund.
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That is really unbelievable, what difference should it make if he called eBay or PayPal and said “not as described” or “arrived damaged”, either claim is indisputable
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@81 Topps Guy said:
That is really unbelievable, what difference should it make if he called eBay or PayPal and said “not as described” or “arrived damaged”, either claim is indisputableArrived damaged would be an insurance claim involving whichever company it was shipped through, in this case, FedEx. Not as described would be an eBay or Paypal claim
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Cakes--What are the top 5 worst advices you have seen here in those 5 years ?
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Any reason you can't post the Ebay auction you won here ?
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@steel75 said:
Any reason you can't post the Ebay auction you won here ?Here is the most recent 86F Jordan PSA 8 that sold for around $1,700. There is another 8 at $1,700 in the closed prices list, but it ends up being a 9(OC) when you click on the auction.
https://psacard.com/auctionprices/basketball-cards/1986-fleer/michael-jordan/auction/2140401
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This is the only 86F Jordan PSA 8 that sold on eBay for around $1700 during the right timeframe without positive feedback left : https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-57-Michael-Jordan-PSA-8-NM-MT-Chicago-Bulls/323459364074
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I’m certainly not saying the OP is lying about anything but I will say that if any part of his story is not 100% the fellas on this board will sniff it out. I’ve seen it so many times over the years a poster starting a thread claiming he got cheated or whatever but not stating all the facts only to have the real story figured out by someone.
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I think going with Damaged instead of Not as Described is your problem. I had an expensive card come with a cracked case and I just returned with "not as described" since the cracked case was not in the pictures. Basically immediate refund.
Not sure if others have submitted eBay claims on damaged but I can see eBay/Paypal needing some sort of value determination if you say the item was damaged vs not as described.
Robb
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@Jimmy_Commonpants said:
@steel75 said:
Any reason you can't post the Ebay auction you won here ?Here is the most recent 86F Jordan PSA 8 that sold for around $1,700. There is another 8 at $1,700 in the closed prices list, but it ends up being a 9(OC) when you click on the auction.
https://psacard.com/auctionprices/basketball-cards/1986-fleer/michael-jordan/auction/2140401
It is not that one.
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@perkdog said:
I’m certainly not saying the OP is lying about anything but I will say that if any part of his story is not 100% the fellas on this board will sniff it out. I’ve seen it so many times over the years a poster starting a thread claiming he got cheated or whatever but not stating all the facts only to have the real story figured out by someone.100% truth brotha. It's been a tremendous source of stress.
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@LarkinCollector said:
This is the only 86F Jordan PSA 8 that sold on eBay for around $1700 during the right timeframe without positive feedback left : https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-57-Michael-Jordan-PSA-8-NM-MT-Chicago-Bulls/323459364074It is not that one.
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@jfkheat said:
@81 Topps Guy said:
That is really unbelievable, what difference should it make if he called eBay or PayPal and said “not as described” or “arrived damaged”, either claim is indisputableArrived damaged would be an insurance claim involving whichever company it was shipped through, in this case, FedEx. Not as described would be an eBay or Paypal claim
Yet the buyer has nothing to do with the insurance through fedex. Like literally all i could do was find out he had insurance. It is completely up to the seller to vigorously pursue his insursnce and since he won the ebay dispute he stopped caring. Leaving me with no recourse except to do chargeback.
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Me either I guess
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Yet the buyer has nothing to do with the insurance through fedex. Like literally all i could do was find out he had insurance. It is completely up to the seller to vigorously pursue his insursnce and since he won the ebay dispute he stopped caring. Leaving me with no recourse except to do chargeback.
If he stopped caring bc he won the eBay dispute, he doesn't seem to be a decent dude at all, as you stated above. I'd out him so none of us have to deal with him in the unlikely event lightning strikes twice with the same guy.
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@aconte said:
@Cakes said:
@tonylags said:
How about sending it into PSA and ask seller if he will split the grading fee with you. If he is reasonable I would think that is the least he can do.The above advice, wasn't very good! In fact it's more than likely the worst advice I have seen on the boards in 5 years.
Agreed! Time to just force the issue with the seller and do a charge back on the credit card and tell the seller, card
is coming back as not as described and make it his problem.I do feel bad for the OP, he needed solid advice
@bishop said:
Cakes--What are the top 5 worst advices you have seen here in those 5 years ?That's a good question, I will have to research it and get back to you.
I cannot help it if my response came across harsh, but it was bad advice. That early in the dispute he needed solid, accurate advice.
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@Cakes said:
@aconte said:
@Cakes said:
@tonylags said:
How about sending it into PSA and ask seller if he will split the grading fee with you. If he is reasonable I would think that is the least he can do.The above advice, wasn't very good! In fact it's more than likely the worst advice I have seen on the boards in 5 years.
Agreed! Time to just force the issue with the seller and do a charge back on the credit card and tell the seller, card
is coming back as not as described and make it his problem.I do feel bad for the OP, he needed solid advice
@bishop said:
Cakes--What are the top 5 worst advices you have seen here in those 5 years ?That's a good question, I will have to research it and get back to you.
I cannot help it if my response came across harsh, but it was bad advice. That early in the dispute he needed solid, accurate advice.
I am sorry if I gave bad advice; I was under the impression the case was simply cracked; that was how the initial post was presented. Which is why I had suggested send to PSA for a reholder; I had no pics and/or no idea a chunk of the card was missing. I would have probably advised to return as item not described under those circumstances, immediately. I'm still confused as why the insurance claim was denied, unless this happened after delivery was made. That is the part that makes no sense to me.
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"decent dudes" would not have put you in the situation you are in...….
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The card should have been packaged properly enough to withstand a drop or something dropping on it.
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@tonylags said:
I am sorry if I gave bad advice; I was under the impression the case was simply cracked; that was how the initial post was presented. Which is why I had suggested send to PSA for a reholder; I had no pics and/or no idea a chunk of the card was missing. I would have probably advised to return as item not described under those circumstances, immediately. I'm still confused as why the insurance claim was denied, unless this happened after delivery was made. That is the part that makes no sense to me.
The insurance claim was denied because the packaging didn't meet FedEx standards and the package appeared to have been bitten. They're going to look for any reason they can find to deny a claim, especially one for $1700 on a collectible.
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This entire saga seems a bit bizarre. Why not just post a link to the purchase if you are going to post as many details as you already have?
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@grote15 said:
This entire saga seems a bit bizarre. Why not just post a link to the purchase if you are going to post as many details as you already have?That’s what puzzles me, not wanting to “Out” a seller and call him a cool dude when he essentially just walked away from this saying it’s not his problem is bizarre if you ask me
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@perkdog said:
@grote15 said:
This entire saga seems a bit bizarre. Why not just post a link to the purchase if you are going to post as many details as you already have?That’s what puzzles me, not wanting to “Out” a seller and call him a cool dude when he essentially just walked away from this saying it’s not his problem is bizarre if you ask me
What are you gonna do to him? Roll his house? What's the point?
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I think maybe people don't want to deal with a seller who sends a $1700 card with little or no protection. JMHO.
Matt
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The way that this seller packaged this card is completely unacceptable. I would hope he/she is not a high volume seller who does this all the time.
I hope the seller has access to these boards and maybe learns something from this event.
I wonder if the card came to the seller in the same poor manner that it was delivered to JewVol. Or, if he/she pulled it from a pack and self subbed, did they send it to PSA in the same manner as they did to JewVol?
As stated above, I hope the seller is not a high volume one.
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doesnt sound like a good dude to me either. It is always the sellers job to ensure the product gets to the buyer safely. That involves proper packaging. this is 100% on the seller in my opinion.
I dont see why the secrecy either. I would certainly block this seller. what a nightmare.
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I think the moral of this story is that if a card arrives damaged, it is always returned item not as described.
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Not outing the “good dude” seller after several requests smells a bit fishy. Have that gut feeling a minor detail or two is being omitted by the OP
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@JewVol said:
@perkdog said:
@grote15 said:
This entire saga seems a bit bizarre. Why not just post a link to the purchase if you are going to post as many details as you already have?That’s what puzzles me, not wanting to “Out” a seller and call him a cool dude when he essentially just walked away from this saying it’s not his problem is bizarre if you ask me
What are you gonna do to him? Roll his house? What's the point?
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The insurance claim was denied because the packaging didn't meet FedEx standards and the package appeared to have been bitten. They're going to look for any reason they can find to deny a claim, especially one for $1700 on a collectible.
well, that would seem to be on the seller, As others have said; Why not out the guy? He offers inferior packaging, wherein item arrived damaged and you get no recourse from ebay/paypal.
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@81 Topps Guy said:
Not outing the “good dude” seller after several requests smells a bit fishy. Have that gut feeling a minor detail or two is being omitted by the OPAnd that's fine if you think that buddy. I came here to get some information Im not on an online quest for baseball card message board e credibility. Everything I said happened and nothing material has been omitted.
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If he does not care....and it makes him laugh.... all is good
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@craig44 said:
I think the moral of this story is that if a card arrives damaged, it is always returned item not as described.This
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Members just want to know the seller so they don't have a similar experience with him. That's all there is to those questions.
Members are trying to assist/give advice concerning your situation, but I guess showing us who the seller is so they don't get screwed themselves does not matter to the OP because he's a "good dude"1970's Steelers, Vintage Indians0 -
@JewVol said:
@perkdog said:
@grote15 said:
This entire saga seems a bit bizarre. Why not just post a link to the purchase if you are going to post as many details as you already have?That’s what puzzles me, not wanting to “Out” a seller and call him a cool dude when he essentially just walked away from this saying it’s not his problem is bizarre if you ask me
What are you gonna do to him? Roll his house? What's the point?
The point is to avoid the seller. Stupid, costly mistakes don't get glossed over just because someone is a cool dude. They clearly do not understand how to properly package a high value card. If they had packaged the card correctly this would have all been avoided. Isn't that enough?
I am sorry you took a big hit but what about the next person that might get crushed?
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Just print out pictures of the original listing, then take pictures circle the area on picture print it out. Write up a few words then sign date & submit. That seems easy enough.
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@steel75 said:
Members just want to know the seller so they don't have a similar experience with him. That's all there is to those questions.
Members are trying to assist/give advice concerning your situation, but I guess showing us who the seller is so they don't get screwed themselves does not matter to the OP because he's a > @Kkathyl said:
Just print out pictures of the original listing, then take pictures circle the area on picture print it out. Write up a few words then sign date & submit. That seems easy enough.Yeah I did that.
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Is it possible you may have been the seller? Seems to me we all would have outed the seller by now.
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So what ever happened with the charge back? For $1700, I would be all over that if it was my last resort. Havent heard anything more on it in over a week
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@bigdogparty said:
So what ever happened with the charge back? For $1700, I would be all over that if it was my last resort. Havent heard anything more on it in over a weekThey said it could take a few weeks.
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