The US Mints in Philadelphia and San Francisco coined a whole bunch of brass coins for Peru from 1942-45. Although still relatively inexpensive, 98% plus of the available examples now look like complete crap... heavy circulation and brass oxidation will do that after 75 years.
The best examples available today tend to be MS63-64 with brass spotting at a minimum. This MS64 1943-S is 1/0 at PCGS.
1894 Thick 4 Variety, PCGS 65RB. Finest currently graded. This was the last coin I needed to complete the Victorian Cents with Varieties Registry Set with our hosts. The set is here.
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@Abuelo said:
From an ignored series in Mexican numismatics. Not sure how is that only got a 64...
Slightly embarrassed to say this here, but I have never seen this type before. So, ignored is probably a good way to describe it. Nice coin!!
Edit to add -- How cool would this little set look in one of those PCGS or NGC multi-coin holders...1882 & 1883 Mexico 5 centavos (two year type), 1882 & 1883 US Shield nickels (last two years of the series), and then both the 1883 w/o Cents and w/ Cents Liberty 'V' nickels!!
@cecropiamoth perhaps then you have never seen this one either? They have an interesting history. The people did not like these coins as were not silver, so in a revolt, they threw them at the National Palace yelling to the President to bring back silver coinage...
@Abuelo said: @cecropiamoth perhaps then you have never seen this one either? They have an interesting history. The people did not like these coins as were not silver, so in a revolt, they threw them at the National Palace yelling to the President to bring back silver coinage...
In my original reply I was going to speculate that the reason for the 5 centavo CuNi coin being just a two year type was the fact that it was not silver. It made sense, thank you for confirming. @Abuelo -- that is correct, I have never seen either this one or two centavo type. Learn something here everyday!! I'm guessing these failed as the Mexican public wanted the composition of those super small denoms to be of pure copper?
In my original reply I was going to speculate that the reason for the 5 centavo CuNi coin being just a two year type was the fact that it was not silver. It made sense, thank you for confirming. @Abuelo -- that is correct, I have never seen either this one or two centavo type. Learn something here everyday!! I'm guessing these failed as the Mexican public wanted the composition of those super small denoms to be of pure copper?
Jeff
For sure they wanted back the 5 cent silver coins. There were no 2 cent coins before (and would not be minted again until the XX century). I cannot tell if they really missed the coppers.
@HoledandCreative said:
Can anyone tell me why this coin is so hard to find? Also, maybe tell me where to find one for sale? Thank you.
I don't know the coin or the series but it seems likely that this piece is a contemporary (i.e., made to circulate) counterfeit. If so, it's easy to imagine that very few pieces were produced.
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Thank you, Andy, for you opinion. I am fairly certain it is genuine. The weight is 3.94 grams, book says 4.12 grams. Since the condition is far from wonderful, I think acceptable. It is one of the better dates that I had been unable to locate. Then this one made an appearance in Bogotà. I am still looking for an uncirculated one but don't know if I will ever find one. It catalogs $7 and, for the overdate $12.50, in Krause. I would be happy to pay a few multiples of those prices just to get one of each for my set. I would also like to know the reason for their difficulty to locate.
@HoledandCreative said:
Thank you, Andy, for you opinion. I am fairly certain it is genuine. The weight is 3.94 grams, book says 4.12 grams. Since the condition is far from wonderful, I think acceptable. It is one of the better dates that I had been unable to locate. Then this one made an appearance in Bogotà. I am still looking for an uncirculated one but don't know if I will ever find one. It catalogs $7 and, for the overdate $12.50, in Krause. I would be happy to pay a few multiples of those prices just to get one of each for my set. I would also like to know the reason for their difficulty to locate.
Interesting piece. I wonder if your difficulty finding it has to do with the fact that there were two competing five centavos pieces circulating concurrently. It looks like the copper-nickel variety was issued from 1918-1950 with a particularly large mintage of 43+ million in 1946, while the bronze variety was issued from 1942-1966 with sporadic mintages in the early years. I'd love to know why they were issuing two different coins of the same denomination.
I do know that many of the copper-nickel 1946 five centavos pieces were coined in the US (at Philadelphia and San Francisco) under contract from Colombia, as depicted below. Those with the 'small date' (~40 million) were coined in the US, and those with the 'large date' (~3.3 million) were coined locally. The bronze coin doesn't even have a listed mintage in Krause for that year.
Brazil 640 Reis 1825-R (Rio de Janeiro)
Peter I, 36mm, 17.92gm
IN HOC SIGNO VINCES (In This Sign, Conquer)
PETRUS I D.G. CONST IMP ET PERP BRAS DEF
(Peter I, by the grace of God, Constitutional Emperor and Perpetual Defender of Brazil)
1944 Greenland Five Kroner. Brass. Mintage: 100,000. Struck at the Philadelphia Mint, mainly for use by Allied personnel stationed on Greenland during World War II. At the time, five kroner was equivalent to one U.S. dollar. Most big brass coins from WWII have not aged well... however, this one has semi-decent toning. PCGS MS64 (11/0).
These are actually from Newfoundland. Does anyone know if the term "dime" was used in Newfoundland (opposed to the official Canadian term 10-cent piece)?
I found this little guy for $25 last week. At 14mm, it's about 10% smaller than a U.S. half dime (15.5mm), and was coined for Colombia by the Philadelphia Mint.
On its way to me. This Hidalgo Grande is a two-year type and the 1955 has a mintage far less than the 1956--584,500 coins versus 3.5 million, yet there is little market differentiation (and there are so many types from this era).
On its way to me. This Hidalgo Grande is a two-year type and the 1955 has a mintage far less than the 1956--584,500 coins versus 3.5 million, yet there is little market differentiation (and there are so many types from this era).
Man Brian, that Mo overdate totally rocks. Love that pull-away toning! I would have been all over that one in less than a minute if I would have seen it!!
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Wow @abuelo cool surfaces on that Peso, very nice!
Kind regards,
George aka Jorge
The US Mints in Philadelphia and San Francisco coined a whole bunch of brass coins for Peru from 1942-45. Although still relatively inexpensive, 98% plus of the available examples now look like complete crap... heavy circulation and brass oxidation will do that after 75 years.
The best examples available today tend to be MS63-64 with brass spotting at a minimum. This MS64 1943-S is 1/0 at PCGS.
Argentina collection sent out last week to sell at auction in a month or so
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A rare Mexican 1902/1 peso.
Take a look @giorgio11 Not the best picture but it's ok.
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Best place to buy !
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Danish West Indies vs British West Indies
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Im not sure if I have posted this one before, provenance from Dr. Jorge Ferrari, the QDB of Argentinian numismatics
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Beautiful piece, Brian!
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This one just crossed over at grade, as i thought it would. First one of this variety at both NGC and PCGS.
Thanks again, @MrEureka
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1894 Thick 4 Variety, PCGS 65RB. Finest currently graded. This was the last coin I needed to complete the Victorian Cents with Varieties Registry Set with our hosts. The set is here.
https://pcgs.com/SetRegistry/canadian-federation/canadian-cents/canadian-victoria-cents-varieties-circulation-strikes-1858-1901/alltimeset/9975
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That is a wonderful set @bosox - must feel great completing it! I think it deserves it's own thread with a commentary!
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Best place to buy !
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On the way.
By the way.....
Does anyone know if the Indian is supposed to portray any individual or tribe or....?????
Can anyone tell me why this coin is so hard to find? Also, maybe tell me where to find one for sale? Thank you.
From an ignored series in Mexican numismatics. Not sure how is that only got a 64...
Slightly embarrassed to say this here, but I have never seen this type before. So, ignored is probably a good way to describe it. Nice coin!!
Edit to add -- How cool would this little set look in one of those PCGS or NGC multi-coin holders...1882 & 1883 Mexico 5 centavos (two year type), 1882 & 1883 US Shield nickels (last two years of the series), and then both the 1883 w/o Cents and w/ Cents Liberty 'V' nickels!!
Jeff
@cecropiamoth perhaps then you have never seen this one either? They have an interesting history. The people did not like these coins as were not silver, so in a revolt, they threw them at the National Palace yelling to the President to bring back silver coinage...
In my original reply I was going to speculate that the reason for the 5 centavo CuNi coin being just a two year type was the fact that it was not silver. It made sense, thank you for confirming. @Abuelo -- that is correct, I have never seen either this one or two centavo type. Learn something here everyday!! I'm guessing these failed as the Mexican public wanted the composition of those super small denoms to be of pure copper?
Jeff
For sure they wanted back the 5 cent silver coins. There were no 2 cent coins before (and would not be minted again until the XX century). I cannot tell if they really missed the coppers.
Psychedelic colours...
Just a big 'ol mess of Mexican silver...
--Severian the Lame
I don't know the coin or the series but it seems likely that this piece is a contemporary (i.e., made to circulate) counterfeit. If so, it's easy to imagine that very few pieces were produced.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Thank you, Andy, for you opinion. I am fairly certain it is genuine. The weight is 3.94 grams, book says 4.12 grams. Since the condition is far from wonderful, I think acceptable. It is one of the better dates that I had been unable to locate. Then this one made an appearance in Bogotà. I am still looking for an uncirculated one but don't know if I will ever find one. It catalogs $7 and, for the overdate $12.50, in Krause. I would be happy to pay a few multiples of those prices just to get one of each for my set. I would also like to know the reason for their difficulty to locate.
Interesting piece. I wonder if your difficulty finding it has to do with the fact that there were two competing five centavos pieces circulating concurrently. It looks like the copper-nickel variety was issued from 1918-1950 with a particularly large mintage of 43+ million in 1946, while the bronze variety was issued from 1942-1966 with sporadic mintages in the early years. I'd love to know why they were issuing two different coins of the same denomination.
I do know that many of the copper-nickel 1946 five centavos pieces were coined in the US (at Philadelphia and San Francisco) under contract from Colombia, as depicted below. Those with the 'small date' (~40 million) were coined in the US, and those with the 'large date' (~3.3 million) were coined locally. The bronze coin doesn't even have a listed mintage in Krause for that year.
I really like that one.
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1944 (D) Venezuela 0.125GR (1/4 Bolivar). PCGS MS66 (6/0). Produced at the Denver US Mint.
Latin American Collection
@Boosibri That's an amazing coin, Brian!
8 Reales Madness Collection
@pruebas ...not a fan?
Latin American Collection
Too weak a strike for my liking.
Edited to add: You’ve got some fantastic coins in your collection. This shouldn’t be one of them.
Find another near gem Chilean piece with great color.
Latin American Collection
A medium size silver coin from Brazil:
Brazil 640 Reis 1825-R (Rio de Janeiro)
Peter I, 36mm, 17.92gm
IN HOC SIGNO VINCES (In This Sign, Conquer)
PETRUS I D.G. CONST IMP ET PERP BRAS DEF
(Peter I, by the grace of God, Constitutional Emperor and Perpetual Defender of Brazil)
The Mysterious Egyptian Magic Coin
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Mrs. carabonnair picked these up from circulation last time she was in Guatemala. Same KM 284, but the designs are slightly different.
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Here is my newest purchase:
Coins in this thread are truly breathtaking. Thank you for sharing everyone and keep 'em coming.
1944 Greenland Five Kroner. Brass. Mintage: 100,000. Struck at the Philadelphia Mint, mainly for use by Allied personnel stationed on Greenland during World War II. At the time, five kroner was equivalent to one U.S. dollar. Most big brass coins from WWII have not aged well... however, this one has semi-decent toning. PCGS MS64 (11/0).
These are actually from Newfoundland. Does anyone know if the term "dime" was used in Newfoundland (opposed to the official Canadian term 10-cent piece)?
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For your viewing pleasure...
I found this little guy for $25 last week. At 14mm, it's about 10% smaller than a U.S. half dime (15.5mm), and was coined for Colombia by the Philadelphia Mint.
@Abuelo cool low-mintage Culiacán mint issue! 56,360 pieces according to Buttrey.
Kind regards,
George
On its way to me. This Hidalgo Grande is a two-year type and the 1955 has a mintage far less than the 1956--584,500 coins versus 3.5 million, yet there is little market differentiation (and there are so many types from this era).
Comments?
Kind regards,
George
Not mine, yet.
MS65+ PCGS. Incredibly high grade.
Kind regards,
George
Go for it!
Like the Hidalgos @giorgio11 a lot.
Latin American Collection
Man Brian, that Mo overdate totally rocks. Love that pull-away toning! I would have been all over that one in less than a minute if I would have seen it!!
Jeff
Latin American Collection