Home U.S. Coin Forum
Options

Rare $10 Liberty recently graded

logger7logger7 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

This coin, an 1860-O $10 recently graded, the dealer thought it could go Unc. because friction was minimal, and he was thinking of a resubmission. Accurately graded, or just high end for grade? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34868362

«1

Comments

  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty coin. 55 seems pretty conservative (but I don't know the series.)

    When in doubt, don't.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as a 55.

  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely not unc, never gonna unc, but nice as a 55.

    mirabela
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If here is no old cleaning hairlines, send it in a few more times and you may get a 58 one day.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    .... because friction was minimal...

    That's what AU is.

    Nice coin, wish I had one.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I grade it WOW. Clearly a coin that speaks volumes across the board for all the attributes that make a coin special. Enjoy this coin for what it is instead of what a label says it is. No plastic or sticker or anything else is a substitute for what this coin is... A masterpiece even though it may not be MS.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very nice coin that I would love to own but it doesn't look uncirculated to me. On a good day it might grade 58 but I think 55 is more than fair from the picture.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The grade of AU55 is correct. Nice coin.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking coin. 55 seems right to me too, but 58 not out of the question either.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

    Are there dates that are heavily sought in the $10 Liberty series, beyond just collecting based on rarity, registry, etc.?

    I had an 1861-O $20 once in XF that seemed to be popular based on civil war date connections.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The short answer is there are dates that have a following and rightly so... Especially when they look like this one. However, the degree of how heavily sought they are depends on who you ask.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    I like the look at that coin and AU55 seems about right.

    Successful Buying and Selling transactions with:

    Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

    Are there dates that are heavily sought in the $10 Liberty series, beyond just collecting based on rarity, registry, etc.?

    I had an 1861-O $20 once in XF that seemed to be popular based on civil war date connections.

    I couldn't say. Been retired too long. You might want to check the many publications of Doug Winter.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the picture I grade it AU55++ or au58 -

    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking coin for an AU55. I really like that NO date in the $10 No Motto series.

    'dude

    Got Crust....y gold?
  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic color.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU-55 looks like the right grade to me.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin!!

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2018 9:31PM

    @logger7 said:
    This coin, an 1860-O $10 recently graded, the dealer thought it could go Unc. because friction was minimal, and he was thinking of a resubmission. Accurately graded, or just high end for grade? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34868362

    For those who are link challenged:

    Love the awesome toning! It does, however, look slightly circulated. 55 seems fair... a little too much chatter, esp. on the neck, to warrant a 58 IMO.

  • SweetpieSweetpie Posts: 498 ✭✭✭✭

    Looking at area around the stars, are those remnant of an old cleaning job?

    If so, you think PCGS blinked an eye because its a rare coin?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold coins are my favorite, and looking at the picture - and magnified - I thought AU55... and that is not bad, I like the coin very much.... Cheers, RickO

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    resubmitt under the power plus program. Needs a better grade (ie: higher).

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent coin, fantastic color. Accurately graded.

  • KellenCoinKellenCoin Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭✭

    Solid 55.

    Fan of the Oxford Comma
    CCAC Representative of the General Public
    2021 Young Numismatist of the Year

  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i think 55 is a good grade for that one. very nice coin...nice strike and color. too much wear for unc...hard to say if it's a good 58 without seeing the luster in hand.

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2018 9:36AM

    @Sweetpie said:
    Looking at area around the stars, are those remnant of an old cleaning job?

    If so, you think PCGS blinked an eye because its a rare coin?

    That's exactly what original toned gold should look like. The copper in the 90% gold alloy does tone, although the gold does not. This leads to pretty multi-hued/layered "halo" toning, lighter around rims and devices (such as the stars). You can see many examples of this in various gold/toning threads here, such as this one: old original toning thread and on Doug Winter's Coinapedia. If the toning is more flat/uniform in color, without the halo effect, that's often indicative of non-original toning.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55 seems good. The reverse is probably a 58.

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the 55 assessment. Any higher is really pushing it.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,736 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like that coin a lot!

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,216 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i like the coin as well. maybe a bean would go with it as well.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

    Maybe logger would RENT it to you?
    ???
    ;)

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    Excellent coin, fantastic color. Accurately graded.

    Agree 100% but with the originality and total coin, no one would bat an eye at 58 either.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Excellent coin, fantastic color. Accurately graded.

    Agree 100% but with the originality and total coin, no one would bat an eye at 58 either.

    I agree with your agreement

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've found NGC is more likely to assign the AU58 grade on AUs with minimal rub, full luster and marks count for less against 58 with NGC than PCGS. BTW the dealer ran it as a bin on ebay at $5900 and it sold right away. I told him he would have done better on the bst section on this site.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

    Really?? Do you own any rare gold?

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

    I can always tell the collections assembled by price shoppers

  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd pay PCGS/CAC AU55 money for it...

  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. What a beautiful example....

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:

    @blitzdude said:
    Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

    Really?? Do you own any rare gold?

    I own some slabbed and raw pre 33 gold if that's what your asking. I wouldn't call any of it "rare", mostly common date and nothing above a 63/64, purchased more for bullion value and not collection.

    I understand the TPG services are VERY liberal on the grades they give out for US pre-33 gold and PCGS seems to give out higher grades than the others, which is strange because that's certainly not the case for other coins they grade. I'm not questioning rarity of the coin, it's a 50 in my opinion. If I've been drinking I might slide it to a 53. My opinion and I stand by it.

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sweetpie said:
    Looking at area around the stars, are those remnant of an old cleaning job?

    If so, you think PCGS blinked an eye because its a rare coin?

    Do you own any pre-civil war gold? If not, this is what PQ examples without destructive human cleaning efforts should look like, around the stars, those are areas that are protected from bag marks and scuffing, so relative to the scuffed up fields, that is a different textured surface with original luster and perhaps toning - (need to see in hand to be sure if toned).

    Best, SH

    My online coin store - https://desertmoonnm.com/
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The rub on the high points of the Portrait is pretty apparent. Lovely coin! Keep sending it in, and it'll be 58 one day.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Chill out, everybody. This is n't a matter of life or death. It's just a coin. If it were mine I would be happy to own it and not care what anybody else thought of it.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • This content has been removed.
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    sorry but 55 looks right

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • DancingFireDancingFire Posts: 311 ✭✭✭

    A very nice 55 coin.

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file