Rare $10 Liberty recently graded

logger7 · January 24, 2018 4:11PM

This coin, an 1860-O $10 recently graded, the dealer thought it could go Unc. because friction was minimal, and he was thinking of a resubmission. Accurately graded, or just high end for grade? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34868362

DennisH · January 24, 2018 4:22PM

Pretty coin. 55 seems pretty conservative (but I don't know the series.)

grip · January 24, 2018 4:32PM

I like it as a 55.

mirabela · January 24, 2018 4:34PM

Definitely not unc, never gonna unc, but nice as a 55.

Insider2 · January 24, 2018 4:36PM

If here is no old cleaning hairlines, send it in a few more times and you may get a 58 one day.

ChrisH821 · January 24, 2018 5:03PM

@logger7 said:
.... because friction was minimal...

That's what AU is.

Nice coin, wish I had one.

CaptHenway · January 24, 2018 5:05PM

@logger7 said:
This coin, an 1860-O $10 recently graded, the dealer thought it could go Unc. because friction was minimal, and he was thinking of a resubmission. Accurately graded, or just high end for grade? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34868362

There should be NO wear on a Mint State coin.

A very attractive coin, and I would not object to an AU-58, but not a Mint State coin IMHO.

Wabbit2313 · January 24, 2018 5:14PM

The dealer should stop grading coins at once!

Crypto · January 24, 2018 5:38PM

That is the perfect au55, a great au58 too

coinkat · January 24, 2018 5:49PM

I grade it WOW. Clearly a coin that speaks volumes across the board for all the attributes that make a coin special. Enjoy this coin for what it is instead of what a label says it is. No plastic or sticker or anything else is a substitute for what this coin is... A masterpiece even though it may not be MS.

tommy44 · January 24, 2018 6:22PM

A very nice coin that I would love to own but it doesn't look uncirculated to me. On a good day it might grade 58 but I think 55 is more than fair from the picture.

291fifth · January 24, 2018 6:25PM

The grade of AU55 is correct. Nice coin.

CaptHenway · January 24, 2018 6:36PM

Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

kaz · January 24, 2018 6:51PM

Great looking coin. 55 seems right to me too, but 58 not out of the question either.

logger7 · January 24, 2018 6:53PM

@CaptHenway said:
Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

Are there dates that are heavily sought in the $10 Liberty series, beyond just collecting based on rarity, registry, etc.?

I had an 1861-O $20 once in XF that seemed to be popular based on civil war date connections.

coinkat · January 24, 2018 7:01PM

The short answer is there are dates that have a following and rightly so... Especially when they look like this one. However, the degree of how heavily sought they are depends on who you ask.

mkman123 · January 24, 2018 7:17PM

I like the look at that coin and AU55 seems about right.

CaptHenway · January 24, 2018 7:36PM

@logger7 said:

@CaptHenway said:
Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

Are there dates that are heavily sought in the $10 Liberty series, beyond just collecting based on rarity, registry, etc.?

I had an 1861-O $20 once in XF that seemed to be popular based on civil war date connections.

I couldn't say. Been retired too long. You might want to check the many publications of Doug Winter.

joebb21 · January 24, 2018 8:05PM

By the picture I grade it AU55++ or au58 -

CharlotteDude · January 24, 2018 8:07PM

Great looking coin for an AU55. I really like that NO date in the $10 No Motto series.

'dude

CoinRaritiesOnline · January 24, 2018 8:10PM

Fantastic color.

BillJones · January 24, 2018 8:23PM

AU-55 looks like the right grade to me.

jonruns · January 24, 2018 8:53PM

Nice coin!!

mvs7 · January 24, 2018 9:29PM

@logger7 said:
This coin, an 1860-O $10 recently graded, the dealer thought it could go Unc. because friction was minimal, and he was thinking of a resubmission. Accurately graded, or just high end for grade? https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34868362

For those who are link challenged:

Love the awesome toning! It does, however, look slightly circulated. 55 seems fair... a little too much chatter, esp. on the neck, to warrant a 58 IMO.

Sweetpie · January 25, 2018 7:44AM

Looking at area around the stars, are those remnant of an old cleaning job?

If so, you think PCGS blinked an eye because its a rare coin?

ricko · January 25, 2018 8:06AM

Gold coins are my favorite, and looking at the picture - and magnified - I thought AU55... and that is not bad, I like the coin very much.... Cheers, RickO

abcde12345 · January 25, 2018 8:23AM

resubmitt under the power plus program. Needs a better grade (ie: higher).

Boosibri · January 25, 2018 9:03AM

Excellent coin, fantastic color. Accurately graded.

KellenCoin · January 25, 2018 9:22AM

Solid 55.

steveben · January 25, 2018 9:24AM

i think 55 is a good grade for that one. very nice coin...nice strike and color. too much wear for unc...hard to say if it's a good 58 without seeing the luster in hand.

mvs7 · January 25, 2018 9:34AM

@Sweetpie said:
Looking at area around the stars, are those remnant of an old cleaning job?

If so, you think PCGS blinked an eye because its a rare coin?

That's exactly what original toned gold should look like. The copper in the 90% gold alloy does tone, although the gold does not. This leads to pretty multi-hued/layered "halo" toning, lighter around rims and devices (such as the stars). You can see many examples of this in various gold/toning threads here, such as this one: old original toning thread and on Doug Winter's Coinapedia. If the toning is more flat/uniform in color, without the halo effect, that's often indicative of non-original toning.

golden · January 25, 2018 10:20AM

55 seems good. The reverse is probably a 58.

Outhaul · January 25, 2018 10:34AM

I agree with the 55 assessment. Any higher is really pushing it.

asheland · January 25, 2018 11:36AM

I like that coin a lot!

johnny9434 · January 25, 2018 11:43AM

i like the coin as well. maybe a bean would go with it as well.

topstuf · January 25, 2018 3:30PM

@CaptHenway said:
Grading aside, I cannot recall ever handling an 1860-O $10 in my life.

Maybe logger would RENT it to you?
???

Crypto · January 27, 2018 8:20AM

@Boosibri said:
Excellent coin, fantastic color. Accurately graded.

Agree 100% but with the originality and total coin, no one would bat an eye at 58 either.

Boosibri · January 27, 2018 8:43AM

@Crypto said:

@Boosibri said:
Excellent coin, fantastic color. Accurately graded.

Agree 100% but with the originality and total coin, no one would bat an eye at 58 either.

I agree with your agreement

blitzdude · January 27, 2018 8:45AM

Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

logger7 · January 27, 2018 8:46AM

I've found NGC is more likely to assign the AU58 grade on AUs with minimal rub, full luster and marks count for less against 58 with NGC than PCGS. BTW the dealer ran it as a bin on ebay at $5900 and it sold right away. I told him he would have done better on the bst section on this site.

Boosibri · January 27, 2018 8:49AM

@blitzdude said:
Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

Really?? Do you own any rare gold?

Crypto · January 27, 2018 9:00AM

@blitzdude said:
Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

I can always tell the collections assembled by price shoppers

jonruns · January 27, 2018 9:08AM

I'd pay PCGS/CAC AU55 money for it...

coinlieutenant · January 27, 2018 9:13AM

Wow. What a beautiful example....

blitzdude · January 27, 2018 9:28AM

@Boosibri said:

@blitzdude said:
Looks about 50 to me, maybe 53 after a few drinks. At 55 it is my opinion is the grader was being generous that day, seems to be the common theme these days. Still very nice, I'd love to own it, just not for AU money.

Really?? Do you own any rare gold?

I own some slabbed and raw pre 33 gold if that's what your asking. I wouldn't call any of it "rare", mostly common date and nothing above a 63/64, purchased more for bullion value and not collection.

I understand the TPG services are VERY liberal on the grades they give out for US pre-33 gold and PCGS seems to give out higher grades than the others, which is strange because that's certainly not the case for other coins they grade. I'm not questioning rarity of the coin, it's a 50 in my opinion. If I've been drinking I might slide it to a 53. My opinion and I stand by it.

Desert Moon · January 27, 2018 9:44AM

@Sweetpie said:
Looking at area around the stars, are those remnant of an old cleaning job?

If so, you think PCGS blinked an eye because its a rare coin?

Do you own any pre-civil war gold? If not, this is what PQ examples without destructive human cleaning efforts should look like, around the stars, those are areas that are protected from bag marks and scuffing, so relative to the scuffed up fields, that is a different textured surface with original luster and perhaps toning - (need to see in hand to be sure if toned).

Best, SH

dpoole · January 27, 2018 10:00AM

The rub on the high points of the Portrait is pretty apparent. Lovely coin! Keep sending it in, and it'll be 58 one day.

CaptHenway · January 27, 2018 10:41AM

Chill out, everybody. This is n't a matter of life or death. It's just a coin. If it were mine I would be happy to own it and not care what anybody else thought of it.

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Treashunt · January 27, 2018 11:05AM

sorry but 55 looks right

DancingFire · January 29, 2018 12:19AM

A very nice 55 coin.

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