Lovely toning - and Darrell's being a purist when he calls it " not a 19th C coin " ...
He's right, it's not a 19th C coin, but the design is.
I can't say what the Albanese group will call this coin, pass or DNP. There is a bit of
chatter on Liberty's face - enough to dissuade me from having gone after it ( JMHO ).
I can't figure out the CAC Standards.... I submitted six of the most beautifully
toned Nickels out of a Heritage auctiona few months ago... Most were MS 64's....
( one was a 63 ).... and none were accepted by CAC.
I paid thru the nose for them, paying MS 65-66 money - just for the color.
I have yet to have them professionally imaged.... My YN photographer is
very short on time. So, I may have to farm out these images to my old
photographer. I guess, I should just edit this post with the Heritage images
....which do not do the coins any justice.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Thank you all for the kind words for my 05-S. Some day I will get some good images of the Barber collection that I am the caretaker of. There are some nice ones.
I don't have any graded coins to post at the moment, but I have purchased some nice raw Barbers over the last few weeks. They'll be off to the grading room in a few weeks. Here's a little tougher date dime, a 1911 D :
I'm not sure if this is a 58 or a 63- I think I see a little rub?
@Labelman87 said:
Thank you all for the kind words for my 05-S. Some day I will get some good images of the Barber collection that I am the caretaker of. There are some nice ones.
@Labelman87 said:
Thank you all for the kind words for my 05-S. Some day I will get some good images of the Barber collection that I am the caretaker of. There are some nice ones.
Yep, you certainly do have some nice looking Barbers!
Well, I know of a doctor who was the magic maker on toning Nickels. He used the bad stuff..Arscenic ,etc. Perhaps those were some of his work before those in the know caught on????
I can't say what the Albanese group will call this coin, pass or DNP. There is a bit of
chatter on Liberty's face - enough to dissuade me from having gone after it ( JMHO ).
I can't figure out the CAC Standards.... I submitted six of the most beautifully
toned Nickels out of a Heritage auctiona few months ago... Most were MS 64's....
( one was a 63 ).... and none were accepted by CAC.
I paid thru the nose for them, paying MS 65-66 money - just for the color. I have yet to have them professionally imaged.... My YN photographer is very short on time. So, I may have to
farm out these images to my old photographer. I guess, I should just edit this post with the
Heritage images ....which do not do the coins any justice.
No offense but if those pictures of the 99 are accurate it's not a 58 in my book.
Well, the 1899 in PCGS 58 arrived as well as the raw 58.
The certified one is a 55-58. But I'm going to keep it, for
the sake of discussion, using it as a comparison coin.
I'm not going to return it ... as the OBV looks MS 63+ albeit
with subdued surfaces. There is lots of swirling luster but
the REV deeper grey toning makes the coin look less in grade.
The reverse of the raw 1899 mimics the reverse of the two Dimes
Mark was discussing. ...just amazingly beautiful !!
On a sadder note....the activity on Liberty's cheek is enough to
Body Bag the 1915. So...back she goes !!
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
@amwldcoin said:
Well, I know of a doctor who was the magic maker on toning Nickels.
He used the bad stuff..Arscenic ,etc. Perhaps those were some of his work
before those in the know caught on????
I can't say what the Albanese group will call this coin, pass or DNP. There is a bit of
chatter on Liberty's face - enough to dissuade me from having gone after it ( JMHO ).
I can't figure out the CAC Standards.... I submitted five of the most beautifully
toned Nickels out of a Heritage auctiona few months ago... Most were MS 64's....
( two were 63's ).... and none were accepted by CAC.
I paid thru the nose for them, paying MS 65-66 money - just for the color.
I have yet to have them professionally imaged.... My YN photographer is very short on time.
So, I may have to farm out these images to my old photographer. I guess, I should just edit
this post with the Heritage images ....which do not do the coins any justice.
1889 PC 64
1892 PC 64
1894 PC 63
glitch is PCGS system...wont allow me to add the REV ...so: Here's Photobucket's Copy
Here's another raw Barber Dime purchase, an 1898 S:
I think this one is an upper end AU as well; I don't think it will come back in a MS holder. The mintmark looks re-punched to me, but I'm not finding any information on it. It looks significant enough to me that it should be recognized. Any help?
Lawrence text says it is shelf doubling... including doubling in ribbon as well. The Complete Guide to Barber Dimes on page 50, lower-right picture. That pic matches your coin.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@JeffMTampa said:
Here's another raw Barber Dime purchase, an 1898 S:
I think this one is an upper end AU as well; I don't think it will come back in a MS holder. The mintmark looks re-punched to me, but I'm not finding any information on it. It looks significant enough to me that it should be recognized. Any help?
@JeffMTampa said:
Here's another raw Barber Dime purchase, an 1898 S:
I think this one is an upper end AU as well; I don't think it will come back in a MS holder. The mintmark looks re-punched to me, but I'm not finding any information on it. It looks significant enough to me that it should be recognized. Any help?
Jeff that sure is a dramatic S/S.
I'd love to find one of those in the wild. Nice NewP all the way around.
oih8 - Be interesting to see what CAC says. I'm with Mike when it comes to trying to figure out what they will do.
Tim - Interesting article. I'd say another shot has been fired in the war between the TPG's. I think there are so many holes (variables) in his thesis, that drawing conclusions is a waste of time. At least he said to buy the coin, not the holder.
Craig - I think your collection would look great with uniform pics.
Jeff - Hope the raw dimes go well with our hosts.
Darrell - Think the TPG's have quit slabbing artificial toners? How about all those crazy toned Morgan's out there?
KAJ - Congrats on the lustrous newp.
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
@JeffMTampa said:
Anybody else notice these little lumps of silver are pretty interesting?
Surface of raised design looks granular {?} ... they are microscopic...I see no
raised little lumps. Hey - I'm surprised I saw anything out of the ordinary !
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I just need to post something so an annoying "saved draft" I can't get rid of finally goes away.
Nice coins everyone.
There's a San Jose show tomorrow that I'm going to hit in hopes of finding a plug or two for my Whitman Half set.
I swear '92P '93P '94P '03P '95s '99S, just aren't available in wholesome Fine.
I finally got a '96P in VG just so I can stop with it already. Look on eBay...'96S and O outnumber the Philly like 150-0. Just odd.
We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
@JeffMTampa said:
Anybody else notice these little lumps of silver are pretty interesting?
Surface of raised design looks granular {?} ... they are microscopic...I see no
raised little lumps. Hey - I'm surprised I saw anything out of the ordinary !
I was just referring to the little lumps of silver we call coins. They can be darn interesting to us nerdy bunch. My wife thinks I'm crazy.
@barberkeys said:
Dennis - Amazing that the ratio would be that extreme. Good luck in San Jose.
Jeff - I wouldn't be surprised if your 96-O comes back bagged.
Pics for this AM, from Paesan's Stash, PC55:
I would say Lenny's is a "tad" nicer than mine. I agree, my '96 o could come back bagged. It's obviously been dipped, but there are notelltale "cleaning" hairlines on it, but our hosts may still find it too messed with to grade.
A couple more raw quarters arrived in the mail today, One of them is an AU 1898 S (obviously dipped) with unusual looking wear, damage or odd strike:
It looks like it was pummeled by a tiny ball peen hammer. The dies that struck the coin were heavily polished (portions of the design have disappeared). Is it possible the dies were rusty and they did what they could to polish it out? Maybe a fake? Some sort of environmental damage? Maybe the Keebler Elves got after it with their tools?
Has anyone seen something like this before? I'll likely be returning it, but I'm curious.
I approve of your upgrade Mike! definitely an improvement IMO.
Jeff, I have a late 1990's quarter that looks close to similar to your coin. In that case, I thought it unique enough to keep it. An ill-prepared planchet in that case. Yours seems most likely post-Mint... looks like some cleaning too as you surmised.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Tim...That was not an upgrade - I sold my old 96-O in PC 58 in August, 2011 + I replaced it
in a whole new collection in June, 2015. Yet, I have to agree, I like the new one far more.
My latest 1899 Dime in PC 58 that was looked down upon was received and was correctly graded IMHO, as I had it in hand. It was a softly muted coin with a lot of underlying luster on the OBV. The REV was a bit deeper grey, yet very well struck, and no obvious signs of circulation. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized I'd eventually take a bath on it when it sold. So...back she goes.... I'm going to emulate Jeff [ lol ] for my new found resolution In returning coins that are "just not right !"
As soon as I made this decision, I opened eBay and bought this replacement...also a PCGS 58 - and I saved $20 to boot !!
Vern rolls them out like he is minting them. Incredible quality. Gives you a false impression that those high-end specimens are easy to acquire. I agree with Paesan... "wow"
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff- The 99-S Barber Quarter is a very nice AU53. I recognize it by the mark on the lower shield. I sold this one in early 2009 and I believe Mike Hayes owned it a few years later. Enjoy!
This is getting unruly, loading a page with a billion images takes five minutes.
I can't find a preferences tool to limit posts per page to unclog the works. Wasn't that a feature in the old forum?
Nice group of halves Mike. Keepers for sure.
San Jose show was not great for my Barber Halves search. Managed an 05P in VG 10 and an 03P in Fine, both Raw and fairly dirty.
Saw an 04S in PC XF 40 CAC for $3900, very nice looking original grey coin, but I'll stick with my cheapo VG10 for the Whitman. I've had it in PC45, NGC35 and PC30 in the past. Those were the days.
Really not many mid grade examples of merit in the raw of any date this time around.
We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
Comments
Lovely toning - and Darrell's being a purist when he calls it " not a 19th C coin " ...
He's right, it's not a 19th C coin, but the design is.
I can't say what the Albanese group will call this coin, pass or DNP. There is a bit of
chatter on Liberty's face - enough to dissuade me from having gone after it ( JMHO ).
I can't figure out the CAC Standards.... I submitted six of the most beautifully
toned Nickels out of a Heritage auctiona few months ago... Most were MS 64's....
( one was a 63 ).... and none were accepted by CAC.
I paid thru the nose for them, paying MS 65-66 money - just for the color.
I have yet to have them professionally imaged.... My YN photographer is
very short on time. So, I may have to farm out these images to my old
photographer. I guess, I should just edit this post with the Heritage images
....which do not do the coins any justice.
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New Barber Purchases
What do you think about this article? I would like to see what price structure changes were seen at the alternative grading house during the same periods. The '12-S nickel was mentioned in 66...
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5740/?utm_source=marketo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17-NG-2181-NGCResearchPCGSPopulationsAndPrices&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkRBNU1XWmhaVE5qTUdFMiIsInQiOiJwbnNzRGlQeVJkejV4YmNZRnNyOHZtMHJWek11ZDZ0RGJiWDR0RVU1MWJZYVBFcmtVTVpxYUR1TFFOMmpcL0JtMnFTZWR6OGw0NVJUMThBdmZBbXJPdEJWaG4zZDZCUUc2VTNGbnRwNDZ5MUNiTzMxaUxwbVNRMmZzZmNDdlJuVDcifQ==
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Thank you all for the kind words for my 05-S. Some day I will get some good images of the Barber collection that I am the caretaker of. There are some nice ones.
Nice looking 1904 Nickel!
I don't have any graded coins to post at the moment, but I have purchased some nice raw Barbers over the last few weeks. They'll be off to the grading room in a few weeks. Here's a little tougher date dime, a 1911 D :
I'm not sure if this is a 58 or a 63- I think I see a little rub?
?
Yep, you certainly do have some nice looking Barbers!
Well, I know of a doctor who was the magic maker on toning Nickels. He used the bad stuff..Arscenic ,etc. Perhaps those were some of his work before those in the know caught on????
Well, the 1899 in PCGS 58 arrived as well as the raw 58.
The certified one is a 55-58. But I'm going to keep it, for
the sake of discussion, using it as a comparison coin.
I'm not going to return it ... as the OBV looks MS 63+ albeit
with subdued surfaces. There is lots of swirling luster but
the REV deeper grey toning makes the coin look less in grade.
The reverse of the raw 1899 mimics the reverse of the two Dimes
Mark was discussing. ...just amazingly beautiful !!
On a sadder note....the activity on Liberty's cheek is enough to
Body Bag the 1915. So...back she goes !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
He used the bad stuff..Arscenic ,etc. Perhaps those were some of his work
before those in the know caught on????
1889 PC 64
1892 PC 64
1894 PC 63
glitch is PCGS system...wont allow me to add the REV ...so: Here's Photobucket's Copy
1899 PC 64
1912 PC 63
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Mike- I don't see why those didn't CAC either. They are just beautiful. Maybe they got a grade bump+ for eye appeal?
I have heard of instances where this has happened on type coins but I'm not real sure how true that is.
Hoard the keys
I didn't know nickels toned like that.
Here's another raw dime recently purchased, an 1892 O :
T%he toning on this one is a bit splotchy on this one, but I still find it appealing. I would put this in a 58 holder, but it could go 62 as well.
Here's another raw Barber Dime purchase, an 1898 S:
I think this one is an upper end AU as well; I don't think it will come back in a MS holder. The mintmark looks re-punched to me, but I'm not finding any information on it. It looks significant enough to me that it should be recognized. Any help?
1898-S/S !!! Look closer... east to west doubling
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Yep, I saw that. Our hosts don't recognize it however. There must not be any interest; does it have an FS number?
Lawrence text says it is shelf doubling... including doubling in ribbon as well. The Complete Guide to Barber Dimes on page 50, lower-right picture. That pic matches your coin.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Good eye on that 98 s/s ! I like it !!!
This 99-O puts the final touch on the Dime portion, of my mint set. It's all my wallet will allow. I am replacing the 58 I have.
Knowing how the sellers coins look in relation to their photos, I knew this coin was booming with luster. Indeed I was correct.
Jeff that sure is a dramatic S/S.
I'd love to find one of those in the wild. Nice NewP all the way around.
Hoard the keys
oih8 - Be interesting to see what CAC says. I'm with Mike when it comes to trying to figure out what they will do.
Tim - Interesting article. I'd say another shot has been fired in the war between the TPG's. I think there are so many holes (variables) in his thesis, that drawing conclusions is a waste of time. At least he said to buy the coin, not the holder.
Craig - I think your collection would look great with uniform pics.
Jeff - Hope the raw dimes go well with our hosts.
Darrell - Think the TPG's have quit slabbing artificial toners? How about all those crazy toned Morgan's out there?
KAJ - Congrats on the lustrous newp.
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Anybody else notice these little lumps of silver are pretty interesting?
Surface of raised design looks granular {?} ... they are microscopic...I see no
raised little lumps. Hey - I'm surprised I saw anything out of the ordinary !
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New Barber Purchases
Kevin - That 99-O is a beauty !!
Jeff - I like the 98-S - the S/s is too small to be any variety that would attract attention.
.......I sure like it though !!
Labelman - What's all this ? Your 1st Communion money ?
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I just need to post something so an annoying "saved draft" I can't get rid of finally goes away.
Nice coins everyone.
There's a San Jose show tomorrow that I'm going to hit in hopes of finding a plug or two for my Whitman Half set.
I swear '92P '93P '94P '03P '95s '99S, just aren't available in wholesome Fine.
I finally got a '96P in VG just so I can stop with it already. Look on eBay...'96S and O outnumber the Philly like 150-0. Just odd.
I was just referring to the little lumps of silver we call coins. They can be darn interesting to us nerdy bunch. My wife thinks I'm crazy.
I picked up a few raw quarters from eBay as well over the last few weeks. Here's a tougher date, an 1896 O:
I'm guessing this will come back in a 30 holder, but it has a shot at 35.
Dennis - Amazing that the ratio would be that extreme. Good luck in San Jose.
Jeff - I wouldn't be surprised if your 96-O comes back bagged.
Pics for this AM, from Paesan's Stash, PC55:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I would say Lenny's is a "tad" nicer than mine. I agree, my '96 o could come back bagged. It's obviously been dipped, but there are notelltale "cleaning" hairlines on it, but our hosts may still find it too messed with to grade.
Vern- Lenny's 96-O is another beautiful coin. IMO without the neck and face ticks ...bump it up 3 points.
I've been looking for a 1908 Barber Quarter for many months; I recently found a nice raw one:
I was looking a 58 but I'm thinking this one will get a 62.
A couple more raw quarters arrived in the mail today, One of them is an AU 1898 S (obviously dipped) with unusual looking wear, damage or odd strike:
It looks like it was pummeled by a tiny ball peen hammer. The dies that struck the coin were heavily polished (portions of the design have disappeared). Is it possible the dies were rusty and they did what they could to polish it out? Maybe a fake? Some sort of environmental damage? Maybe the Keebler Elves got after it with their tools?
Has anyone seen something like this before? I'll likely be returning it, but I'm curious.
Malicious damage - what a shame !! Yes, return it.
I like the 08-Phila... hard to tell if its MS or AU - but:
lets agree to call it AU 63
With the 96-O floatilla, here's my current example:
Its been crossed to PCGS....
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MFH- Your '96 O 25C wins; that's a great looking coin.
My old example....
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Hey barber buddies. Jeff I like the O8-P NewP.
Mike-that 96-O is flawless. I'm looking at a 53 right now.
Hoard the keys
Thanks, Jeff. I spotted it in a Goldberg's auction in June, 2015.
I crossed it last year to a PCGS 58 holder.
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I approve of your upgrade Mike! definitely an improvement IMO.
Jeff, I have a late 1990's quarter that looks close to similar to your coin. In that case, I thought it unique enough to keep it. An ill-prepared planchet in that case. Yours seems most likely post-Mint... looks like some cleaning too as you surmised.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Tim...That was not an upgrade - I sold my old 96-O in PC 58 in August, 2011 + I replaced it
in a whole new collection in June, 2015. Yet, I have to agree, I like the new one far more.
My latest 1899 Dime in PC 58 that was looked down upon was received and was correctly graded IMHO, as I had it in hand. It was a softly muted coin with a lot of underlying luster on the OBV. The REV was a bit deeper grey, yet very well struck, and no obvious signs of circulation. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized I'd eventually take a bath on it when it sold. So...back she goes.... I'm going to emulate Jeff [ lol ] for my new found resolution In returning coins that are "just not right !"
As soon as I made this decision, I opened eBay and bought this replacement...also a PCGS 58 - and I saved $20 to boot !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Jeff - Good looking '08 newp. Hard to say 58 or MS. 98-S looks like post mint damage to me.
Mike - Like both your 96-O's in 58. Didn't take you long to find another '99 dime.
Pics for this AM, one more 96-O, PC58:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
WOW
Vern always has to upstage me.......
Vern rolls them out like he is minting them. Incredible quality. Gives you a false impression that those high-end specimens are easy to acquire. I agree with Paesan... "wow"
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I purchased an already graded Barber Quarter last week, an 1899 S PC AU 53:
I had to pay up for this one, but I think it's a very nice coin. So nice I'm wondering if it could upgrade to a 55?
Drooling.....
Hoard the keys
Jeff- The 99-S Barber Quarter is a very nice AU53. I recognize it by the mark on the lower shield. I sold this one in early 2009 and I believe Mike Hayes owned it a few years later. Enjoy!
Thanks for the history lesson! Mike may have had it jingling around in his pocket for spending money back when he was a little boy...
Jeff, '99-S... tougher date... always a good pick-up. Nice!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff.... I remember that 99-S - its a tough date - and for the longest time,
it was the nicest one available.
My upgrade: which I picked up from a Heritage Auction in January, 2015:
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Here are a few Halves recently imaged that are NOT in the Internet Only Heritage Sale this week:
Don Willis' old coin:
I have a number of older images of coins that are not going anywhere, either.
ie:
My Grandfather's pocket change....
There are a few others - but - my files are a mess....
I wanted to show some of the new images - without being accused
of posting Spam... LOL...
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This is getting unruly, loading a page with a billion images takes five minutes.
I can't find a preferences tool to limit posts per page to unclog the works. Wasn't that a feature in the old forum?
Nice group of halves Mike. Keepers for sure.
San Jose show was not great for my Barber Halves search. Managed an 05P in VG 10 and an 03P in Fine, both Raw and fairly dirty.
Saw an 04S in PC XF 40 CAC for $3900, very nice looking original grey coin, but I'll stick with my cheapo VG10 for the Whitman. I've had it in PC45, NGC35 and PC30 in the past. Those were the days.
Really not many mid grade examples of merit in the raw of any date this time around.