Jeff - The slabbing life of your 1900-S half is interesting, and points out how subjective grading is. Theoretically, grading is an evaluation of marks, strike and luster with eye appeal thrown in as a mitigating factor. Supposedly, eye appeal "adds a little, and forgives a lot", in the overall grade of a coin. But each person's (grader's) definition of eye appeal is different. So how can grading be consistent?
Mike V - Your thoughts of NGC as a details grader, with PCGS focusing on surfaces is generally accurate IMHO, in XF and AU grades.
Also, the dealer who said "I don't grade 'em, I just price 'em", makes a lot of sense in the actual coin marketplace.
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This 96-o half showed up in the mail today. It was a bit of a limb-walk best offer BIN on the bay. It's a keeper. Quite lustrous and problem free. Not seeing an issue with it straight grading, a little wipe or slide marks on Liberty that doesn't even travel into the fields would be the caveat. No wear. Might call it a 58-61. Won't know for a few months until I finish gathering for my free 8 submission. Wish me luck. But I'm happy to have it.
We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
Dennis! Talk about a seller who cut himself way short with bad pictures! I saw that coin and wouldn't touch it! Best of luck and I think it should grade! Be interesting if you get a 60 or 61 as PCGS hasn't graded any at that grade. I'll prematurely award you with what I consider the biggest YOU SUCK for a Barber Half!
Talk about taking a gamble ! I never even look at raw coins anymore especially on eBay. I think you struck gold there Dennis on the 1896-O Half and like Darrell mentioned, I see no reason it shouldn't get a MS designation. Then again, I wouldn't kick it to the curb if it's a 58 !! Nice pick up !! Good luck at the slab factory.
Vern - Nice warmly toned 1901 Quarter ! Congrats on the pick up.
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I saw that coin on eBay as well and took a pass due to the photos- ouch!!
A few weeks ago the PCGS Registry "shopping tool" switched to directing you to a Collectors.com website. Since that change it's not worked for my Everyman's Barber Half set. It works fine with all my other Registry sets, just not with the Barber Half Everyman set. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as though Don Willis is trying to keep me from finding coins that will help my set. Does anyone know about a work around?
<< <i>Talk about taking a gamble ! I never even look at raw coins anymore especially on eBay. I think you struck gold there Dennis on the 1896-O Half and like Darrell mentioned, I see no reason it shouldn't get a MS designation. Then again, I wouldn't kick it to the curb if it's a 58 !! Nice pick up !! Good luck at the slab factory. >>
No kidding on this one being a real beauty! I have been burned too many time on raw coins in the bay, so I usually didn't look at them in the past...I have probably overlooked (or not even looked at) some real gems that were shunned because of bad imaging. I should be posting my latest anyday now in this Barber thread and the Seated thread.
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<< <i>Of all the 09-O's I have seen or owned - this was the one I wanted way back when - as at the time, it was a POP ONE coin in AU 58.
I'm thrilled to have landed this 09-O .... and many thanks for the hint, Dogwood. The other 09-O that sold recently on Heritage had pock marks [ IMO ] - This coin sold in April , 2008 - and as I reviewed my notes on Heritage - I knew I wanted this. As Liz Taylor was fond of saying " The price of butter and Diamonds keep going up..."
A beautiful dime, Mike, but what- no color??? Get out the crayons.
After a long drought of receiving raw cleaned coins in the mail (promptly returned) I received what I believe is a good one today- a 1900 O Half:
The surfaces look original to me. Although I suspect this will come back as an AU 50 I'm hoping for an AU 53 (I already have a 50 in the set). A tough coin to find raw and a nice looking one at that!
I finally picked up an 1894 that I liked. It's now in a PCGS AU58 slab from an old time ANACS 60 slab. There are no luster breaks only some slight album slide marks. Now to continue the hunt.
The 1892-O Quarter is a looker. I would like to see that in hand!
That's a great looking '94 Quarter. It doesn't appear to have a break in the luster but it has enough scratches to indicate circulation to me. I think the 58 holder is where it belongs, but I would have added a "+" to it. It's hard to imagine that coin came from a 60 holder; I would believe 63.
<< <i>A beautiful dime, Mike, but what- no color??? Get out the crayons.
After a long drought of receiving raw cleaned coins in the mail (promptly returned) I received what I believe is a good one today- a 1900 O Half:
The surfaces look original to me. Although I suspect this will come back as an AU 50 I'm hoping for an AU 53 (I already have a 50 in the set). A tough coin to find raw and a nice looking one at that! >>
Jeff, I don't want to be a party pooper but from the pics that looks like a cleaning details coin.
Really nice 1894 Half and as we all know, not an easy grade to locate. I have the same grade myself which I bought off of Tom Smith in NY. About three years ago.
Also, nice 14-D/D Quarter too.
Sorry, Jeff, I agree with Darrell ( Mr Party Pooper ). It's a nicely detailed 1900-O but the looks not quite right. It might get an altered surface new grade ( XF Details ). I've had strict AU's come back Net Graded Details of VF - cleaned. So, it's a crap shoot, as you know. It's still a nice looking coin, regardless.
Nothing new to report.... I sort of blew the budget on the 1909-O Quarter in 58.
There's always room for pretty little AU 58 Dimes, however.
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The new Barber Red Book by QDB arrived today. I opened it up to the 10-S half. I was looking down at the certified pops and it lists that the 10-S has a certified pop of 16 in VF. Well I knew that was way off, so I did a little digging and it seems they only used NGC as a reference for pop reports. PCGS has roughly 10x that amount certified in all the VF grades. I find it odd they wouldn't use PCGS unless PCGS tried to charge them an insane amount of money to use their pop reports. I'll dig further into the book over the winter.
I got the book last week, and thanks for pointing that out. I'll delve into the book a bit deeper now. Very disappointing they did not use the PCGS data.
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Really...only NGC Pops? I'm supposed to pick up my copy of Bowers book at our little local show this weekend. Sounds like the book is probably worthless. I'm pretty sure most of the Pops are higher at PCGS. Haven't really cared as much about NGC Pops. They are probably way over inflated anyway. I have a few NGC tags laying around...as well as PCGS!
Edit to add: Justin...I own 11 10-S's in VF and have sold 8!
I wouldn't dismisd the book soley on it's pop reports. I'm sure there is other useful information in there. Pop reports are basically useless anyways in a book. The total pop of barber half dollars certified at PCGS since I started collecting (about 5 years) has risen quite rapidly.
Justin - Yes, Jim has quite a few very nice halves. I'm very glad to say that we will enjoy pics of them over the next few weeks. Interesting that the new QDB barber book wouldn't have PCGS pops, still the value of his book (which I haven't seen yet), will be in his thoughts, not pops or values.
Darrell - "Only" 19 in VF eh?
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Well!!! I got my copy of Bower's new book on Barber coins. I am extremely disappointed. I can't believe they used 5-10 year old pricing for the Barber Half's! I haven't read in detail and haven't even looked at the dimes or quarters. But when I see retail pricing less than greysheet and better dates listed at in some cases 20% of current auction prices realized I am astounded. The big slap in my face was when I saw the little note... "printed in China". I never realized Whitman had bailed on us. I showed it to my supply guy and he said they do still print the redbook here. BIG NEGATIVE FOR ME WHITMAN!
Darrell- you should be writing the book, not Whitman. What do they know about Barbers? I think at this point you own half of the remaining population......
Darrell - Hard to imagine that it is cost effective to print those books in China, after all, printing is not very labor intensive. It's a big negative for me as well.
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Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I recently received the 2015 BCCS Varities Survey for Barber Halves in the mail. Many of the varities I'm famalier with, but the ones in part 4 (Repunched and Misplaced Dates) I'm not:
1892 RPD South1893 O MPD1897/97 RPD South1898/ 98 RPD South19/900 RPD South1903/ 03 RPD South1906 D MPD1907 O MPD1908 MPD1908 D MPD1908 O MPD
I didn't know there were this many varities (albeit minor ones). Does anyonne have information on any of them? Pictures or descriptions? These must have come from somewhere.
Jeez...break that old piggy bank and get your own copy,
You can make notes in it ( like I plan on doing ).
By the way, it's cheaper to buy the book on Amazon.com ~ you'll save about $10.00. As they say, live and learn.
I'm still not a happy camper that the PCGS Pops are missing and that the prices are so far outdated. I have half a mind to send it back and request a full refund.
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Jeff, I must say a lot of those flew under my radar also. Bet they are listed in Breen. I hope I am able to complete the survey before the deadline.
Mike, I must say I was totally floored with the pricing in the new book. Why in the H will no one publish what these coins are really selling for? It's almost worse than the better date seated stuff. I haven't studied too much but I am willing to wager the rarity scales are off also. I definitely place the 96-O over the 04-S in AU or better. Using NGC Pop's is a joke! Many tags are sitting around or gone the way of the garbage can! The only nice thing is now I have the NGC Pops!(well sortta, wonder how many 96-O's are 58's) Never understood why NGC doesn't make them public.
The 97-O posted above has been in my collection for a while and is not a newp. However, a member here sold me another 55 recently. I wanted to see them side by side. I think the old one will stand (better surfaces) but the newp has a lot of nice color.
Haven't seen the book you're all talking about. I wouldn't care much about the pricing issue, but I'd like to know if there is any good into about the coins themselves. IMO too many companies with too many price lists and none of them really help me anyway.
Darrell - Perhaps Whitman was in a rush to get the book out so it wasn't researched like it could have been. But anytime QDB puts out a book on a series, it increases interest in the series (at least for the short term).
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Comments
<< <i>If you will recall the 1st 96-O NGC 58 was bodybagged twice by PCGS before it made it into a holder! >>
Are you referring to your coin that Justin posted? Was the coin in for crossover and DNC or was it submitted raw and actually bagged?
<< <i>
<< <i>If you will recall the 1st 96-O NGC 58 was bodybagged twice by PCGS before it made it into a holder! >>
Are you referring to your coin that Justin posted? Was the coin in for crossover and DNC or was it submitted raw and actually bagged? >>
Mine crossed on the 1st attempt. As Justin pointed out the way I take pictures greatly amplifies any marks,etc.
The other was Scott's coin. Bodybagged twice(cleaned),then they(David Kahn) cracked it out. I can't remember if it bagged raw one time.
Wasn't Scott's coin a '97 O? Or am I confused?
<< <i>OK- I certainly wouldn't think your's would get bagged.
Wasn't Scott's coin a '97 O? Or am I confused? >>
Mike V - Your thoughts of NGC as a details grader, with PCGS focusing on surfaces is generally accurate IMHO, in XF and AU grades.
Also, the dealer who said "I don't grade 'em, I just price 'em", makes a lot of sense in the actual coin marketplace.
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A new addition to my set, a 1901 S AU 55 with a Green Bean on the slab:
This replaces a nice AU 50 in my set- a tough date!
Jeff, any 1901-S in 55 is worth having ! Congrats on the upgrade.
Stay tuned... The Registry Forum will have the rest of the Big Three
Half Sets posted by the end of the day.
[edit] ALL OF THE BIG THREE BARBER SETS IMAGES ARE NOW POSTED ON THE REGISTRY FORUMS.
Next adventure: The top three Quarter sets !!
EDIT: Picked this up for my Everyman Dime Collection:
It seems to have some interesting toning.
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It was a bit of a limb-walk best offer BIN on the bay.
It's a keeper. Quite lustrous and problem free.
Not seeing an issue with it straight grading, a little wipe or slide marks on Liberty that doesn't even travel into the fields would be the caveat.
No wear. Might call it a 58-61. Won't know for a few months until I finish gathering for my free 8 submission. Wish me luck.
But I'm happy to have it.
Mike - Nice look on your dime.
Dennis - Congrats on a very good gamble.
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especially on eBay. I think you struck gold there Dennis on the 1896-O
Half and like Darrell mentioned, I see no reason it shouldn't get a MS
designation. Then again, I wouldn't kick it to the curb if it's a 58 !!
Nice pick up !! Good luck at the slab factory.
Vern - Nice warmly toned 1901 Quarter ! Congrats on the pick up.
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A few weeks ago the PCGS Registry "shopping tool" switched to directing you to a Collectors.com website. Since that change it's not worked for my Everyman's Barber Half set. It works fine with all my other Registry sets, just not with the Barber Half Everyman set. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as though Don Willis is trying to keep me from finding coins that will help my set. Does anyone know about a work around?
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<< <i>Talk about taking a gamble ! I never even look at raw coins anymore
especially on eBay. I think you struck gold there Dennis on the 1896-O
Half and like Darrell mentioned, I see no reason it shouldn't get a MS
designation. Then again, I wouldn't kick it to the curb if it's a 58 !!
Nice pick up !! Good luck at the slab factory.
No kidding on this one being a real beauty! I have been burned too many time on raw coins in the bay, so I usually didn't look at them in the past...I have probably overlooked (or not even looked at) some real gems that were shunned because of bad imaging. I should be posting my latest anyday now in this Barber thread and the Seated thread.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
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BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>Of all the 09-O's I have seen or owned - this was the one I
wanted way back when - as at the time, it was a POP ONE
coin in AU 58.
I'm thrilled to have landed this 09-O .... and many thanks for the hint, Dogwood.
The other 09-O that sold recently on Heritage had pock marks [ IMO ] - This coin
sold in April , 2008 - and as I reviewed my notes on Heritage - I knew I wanted
this. As Liz Taylor was fond of saying " The price of butter and Diamonds keep going up..."
EDIT: Sellers' Images:
amazing, congrats
BHNC #203
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
Also, glad to have the NHL starting again tonight, it's been a long time since the Stanley Cup Finals. Go Wings.
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And ditto on the NHL....not the Wings part though.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
From Vic Bozarth. eBay. There are only two 1907-P's with a CAC in AU 58.
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After a long drought of receiving raw cleaned coins in the mail (promptly returned) I received what I believe is a good one today- a 1900 O Half:
The surfaces look original to me. Although I suspect this will come back as an AU 50 I'm hoping for an AU 53 (I already have a 50 in the set). A tough coin to find raw and a nice looking one at that!
The 1892-O Quarter is a looker. I would like to see that in hand!
That's a great looking '94 Quarter. It doesn't appear to have a break in the luster but it has enough scratches to indicate circulation to me. I think the 58 holder is where it belongs, but I would have added a "+" to it. It's hard to imagine that coin came from a 60 holder; I would believe 63.
<< <i>A beautiful dime, Mike, but what- no color??? Get out the crayons.
After a long drought of receiving raw cleaned coins in the mail (promptly returned) I received what I believe is a good one today- a 1900 O Half:
The surfaces look original to me. Although I suspect this will come back as an AU 50 I'm hoping for an AU 53 (I already have a 50 in the set). A tough coin to find raw and a nice looking one at that! >>
Jeff, I don't want to be a party pooper but from the pics that looks like a cleaning details coin.
Mike - That's a white one all right.
Jeff - Which way the wind blows is right. Good luck.
Craig - Congrats on the '94. Wonder why ANACS thought 60? If they didn't see rub, why not a 62?
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Lenny, Good to hear!
Craig - Same problem today, in some cases who knows why?
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Really nice 1894 Half and as we all know, not an easy grade to locate.
I have the same grade myself which I bought off of Tom Smith in NY.
About three years ago.
Also, nice 14-D/D Quarter too.
Sorry, Jeff, I agree with Darrell ( Mr Party Pooper ).
It's a nicely detailed 1900-O but the looks not quite
right. It might get an altered surface new grade ( XF
Details ). I've had strict AU's come back Net Graded
Details of VF - cleaned. So, it's a crap shoot, as you know.
It's still a nice looking coin, regardless.
Nothing new to report.... I sort of blew the budget on the
1909-O Quarter in 58.
There's always room for pretty little AU 58 Dimes, however.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
The new Barber Red Book by QDB arrived today. I opened it up to the 10-S half. I was looking down at the certified pops and it lists that the 10-S has a certified pop of 16 in VF. Well I knew that was way off, so I did a little digging and it seems they only used NGC as a reference for pop reports. PCGS has roughly 10x that amount certified in all the VF grades. I find it odd they wouldn't use PCGS unless PCGS tried to charge them an insane amount of money to use their pop reports. I'll dig further into the book over the winter.
Edit in bold
Justin,
I got the book last week, and thanks for pointing that out.
I'll delve into the book a bit deeper now. Very disappointing
they did not use the PCGS data.
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Edit to add: Justin...I own 11 10-S's in VF and have sold 8!
Only 19 total 10-S coins...slacker.
<< <i>Only 19 total 10-S coins...slacker.
That's in VF!
Interesting that the new QDB barber book wouldn't have PCGS pops, still the value of his book (which I haven't seen yet), will be in his thoughts, not pops or values.
Darrell - "Only" 19 in VF eh?
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I originally confused it with the one I recently
sold when I picked up my Newp in 65, which
I posted earlier.
edited due an error on my part. Sorry, Paesan.
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Just a thought.
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1892 RPD South1893 O MPD1897/97 RPD South1898/ 98 RPD South19/900 RPD South1903/ 03 RPD South1906 D MPD1907 O MPD1908 MPD1908 D MPD1908 O MPD
I didn't know there were this many varities (albeit minor ones). Does anyonne have information on any of them? Pictures or descriptions? These must have come from somewhere.Thanks Mike
Jeez...break that old piggy bank and get your own copy,
You can make notes in it ( like I plan on doing ).
By the way, it's cheaper to buy the book on Amazon.com ~
you'll save about $10.00. As they say, live and learn.
I'm still not a happy camper that the PCGS Pops are missing
and that the prices are so far outdated. I have half a mind to
send it back and request a full refund.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Mike, I must say I was totally floored with the pricing in the new book. Why in the H will no one publish what these coins are really selling for? It's almost worse than the better date seated stuff. I haven't studied too much but I am willing to wager the rarity scales are off also. I definitely place the 96-O over the 04-S in AU or better. Using NGC Pop's is a joke! Many tags are sitting around or gone the way of the garbage can! The only nice thing is now I have the NGC Pops!(well sortta, wonder how many 96-O's are 58's) Never understood why NGC doesn't make them public.
Haven't seen the book you're all talking about. I wouldn't care much about the pricing issue, but I'd like to know if there is any good into about the coins themselves. IMO too many companies with too many price lists and none of them really help me anyway.
Paesan
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<< <i> Never understood why NGC doesn't make them public. >>
NGC does make the ir Pop Reports available to their members (paying) at no additional charge.