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  • DrPeteDrPete Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭
    I am still looking forward to obtaining a copy of the Barber Coin book authored by QDB. From what I have been hearing, the pricing information is not current or realistic. That's too bad. Unfortunately, any pricing becomes almost instantly obsolete, but it sounds like it could have been more realistic. None of us familiar with the real market would choose to use this book as a price guide anyway. The problem is for the newbies that buy the book, and expect coins to be available at or near prices listed. But without any pricing, such a book would seem lacking. A no-win situation.

    I do like the notion that someone did put the time into making such a book, and it may well be a resource that encourages other collectors to dive into our favorite series. With increased demand, and the fixed and limited supply, we may see some upward price movements. That would make coins we hold more valuable, but also future coins we purchase more expensive. That being said, I still like the fact that another reference has been put together for the Barber series, and by such a great author. I plan to pick up a copy of the book at the Whitman Baltimore show next month and will try to get mine signed by QDB. I had some limited contact with Mr. Bowers over the past three years and offered to help him with the book any way I could, and gave him permission to use any images that I had of coins. I had images from Superior Galleries, and granted permission for the PCGS True View, if OK with PCGS.
    Dr. Pete
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, another from Jim's collection, PC55:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, newp into Elmo's collection, PC58:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    The pricing in QDB's book doesn't really matter to me. I know what I want to pay for certain coins, but I have also been around long enough to research it. Although, someone just showing interest in the series and tries to buy a quality XF 97-O for the price in the book, they are in for a rude awakening. They will probably get discouraged and there goes another potential collector. I can see both sides of the argument.

    Vern - Loving the Half show.

    Jeff - I don't know anything about those varieties unless they are in Flynn's book. I will have to take a look.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Justin - Thanks, I'm glad to be the messenger.

    Pics for this AM, from Jim's collection, PC45:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.


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    Love this coin. Absolutely gorgeous off-center Barber quarter.
    www.sullivannumismatics.com Dealer in Mint Error Coins.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Vern... Nice 1895-O Half. Jim's set is shaping up really well.

    Jon.... I know that coin - it belongs to Broadstruck - unless
    it's changed hands.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jon - Wonderful date for a neat error. A Broadstruck special.

    Pics for this AM, newp into Paesan's Stash, NGC-15:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jon, interesting error, and a good date to boot!

    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I received an e-mail this afternoon from JJ Teaparty; they will be handling the sale of the entire SurfCity Barber collection. The sale will begin in Baltimore. I wonder how realistic the pricing will be.......

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff, Nows a good time to not care about registry rank. I'm sure there will be a feeding frenzy of wealthy Everyman collectors. (Isn't that an oxymoron?) I hope the folks at Teaparty make a ton of money!



    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jeff/Paesan - Wonder when we'll get to know what dates were in quarter and dime sets?

    Pics for this AM, from Jim's collection, PC55:

    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jeff/Paesan - I wonder when we'll find out what dates were in the quarter and dime sets?

    Edit: Didn't think it worked the first time.

    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can already say unless Don is willing to loose money on some of his coins I'm not a player as he paid some absolutely ballistic numbers for some of the coins in his set. He was also able to add a Plus grade to his set after it was retired! Wonder how he was able to do that? image
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Originally posted by: paesan Jeff, Nows a good time to not care about registry rank. I'm sure there will be a feeding frenzy of wealthy Everyman collectors. (Isn't that an oxymoron?) I hope the folks at Teaparty make a ton of money! Paesan

    Lenny- I don't think there are many (if any) wealthy folk on the Barber Half Registry set. I don't think you'll be seeing a bunch of Don's coins finding new sets in the Registry.

    There does seem to be an awful lot of people who purchase nice Barber Halves in PCGS holders that don't participate in the Registry. It's hard to say if they're putting together date sets or full sets but choosing to ignore the registry.

    I won't be spending top dollar on anything from Don's set.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff, I sure wouldn't mind adding a few coins to my collection if the price is right, but I can't blame JJ and would expect to see top shelf 63-65 prices for many of the better date coins. I tend to agree with Darrell's take, though. I don't think Don will lose a dime on any of the coins, weak market or not, and I think more registry people will be scrambling to fill holes than you expect.



    Interestingly, Don asked me to sell him a few pieces recently, so I may be able to see them again, with a new price tag. I wonder what prompted him to sell now, when just a few months ago he assked to buy about 7 pieces.



    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jeff, I sure wouldn't mind adding a few coins to my collection if the price is right, but I can't blame JJ and would expect to see top shelf 63-65 prices for many of the better date coins. I tend to agree with Darrell's take, though. I don't think Don will lose a dime on any of the coins, weak market or not, and I think more registry people will be scrambling to fill holes than you expect.

    Interestingly, Don asked me to sell him a few pieces recently, so I may be able to see them again, with a new price tag. I wonder what prompted him to sell now, when just a few months ago he assked to buy about 7 pieces.

    Paesan

    More coins, less government.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don told me he was going to focus on Colonials...now I must agree in quality that is a much more challenging field!

  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Darrell - A plus grade added after his set was retired? Must have been a clerical error.

    Pics for this AM, from Mowgli's collection:

    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Verne, The coin was graded after his set was retired. Perhaps he was able to upgrade his, just don't know.
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Originally posted by: paesan I tend to agree with Darrell's take, though. I don't think Don will lose a dime on any of the coins, weak market or not, and I think more registry people will be scrambling to fill holes than you expect.

    If JJ puts them up at today's market prices the majority will sell. I have no idea what Don paid for his coins, but if the coins list for retail++ all but a few rare keys may sit around for a while.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • NicNic Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don loves coins. His integrity is beyond question.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Originally posted by: Nic Don loves coins. His integrity is beyond question.

    No question about that. My message meant to convey that unless Don is willing to sell at a loss many could be a tough sell. Most of us Everyman Collectors are coin rich and cash poor.

    Darrell. is your icon rotation a glitch in the new website software or experimentation?

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jeff...evidintly the new software did not have my old one and it defaulted to the 1st one on the list. I definately am going to have to find another....clown was better than the old bag! image

  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pics for this AM, from Jim's collection, PC50:

    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    What a sweet 96!
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Watch for some registry shakeups as some of Don's coins are on their way to new homes. Pretty sure Don's top rating is about to be blown outta the water!
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Last week, I received a phone call from Dimeman. He had been speaking with Gail at
    JJ Teaparty and she mentioned that they had acquired the Surf City Barber collections.

    I called Gail and she told me everything was sent back to PCGS ( these were all AU 58's )
    ...so, I would imagine they were trying to squeeze out a few "+'s" .... she also mentioned
    that the sets were then being sent to CAC. The list of coins would be available immediately
    prior to the Baltimore convention. Once the list is published, they would commence selling.
    The coins will be in Baltimore.

    I was urged to get my want list updated...(which I did) .... I have no idea what Dimes or
    Quarters will be available. I sent my upgrade list anyway. You never know. I have a few
    XF Dimes needing to be upgraded as well as a few of the semi key Quarters. I must be
    assuming quite a lot, though.

    Fear not, I am only after 2 Halves. We all know which one will be the most sought after !
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Justin - I agree, what a great look on the '96. But it looks like a 45 to me.


    Darrell - If Don's top rating is overtaken by his own coins going to other sets, is that so bad? It's just a matter of who will get out the checkbook.

    Pics for this AM, a spare from the Stash, PC53:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike,I got 2 I needed, The key was already sold,3 I needed I couldn't justify the price. I might have purchased the plus grade that was a POP 1 but I doubt it. The 92 58+ was offered for $2895. (Shock emoticon here!) That is the 1 date in the series I believe will become readily available in 58+ in due time.



    Verne...not at all. Don's set was already beat in my mind as I think any grade could have been added to the set missing 1 coin and passed Don's.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: amwldcoin...The 92 58+ was offered for $2895. (Shock emoticon here!)...




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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LogPotato

    Originally posted by: amwldcoin...The 92 58+ was offered for $2895. (Shock emoticon here!)...




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    It sold! But not to me.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
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  • UltraHighReliefUltraHighRelief Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mine were all much cheaper!
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I picked up a nice upgrade for my 1908 O Half from UltraHighRelief last week, a PCGS AU 58 with a Green Bean:

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    I've owned several AU 55's that were submitted raw, but I finally gave up on finding a raw 58 and bought a nice looking slabbed one. A new ray of Sunshine in my set!
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    Very nice, Jeff.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    The Sunshine sets are always really nice to view.
    I picked up the 1894 - Philadelphia in AU 58 from
    Dave a few months ago.

    Nice pick up Jeff. Couldn't wait for Surf City huh ?
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darrell - Only $2895?

    Jeff - Nice upgrade.

    Pics for this AM, from Jim's collection, PC45:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MFH

    The Sunshine sets are always really nice to view.
    I picked up the 1894 - Philadelphia in AU 58 from
    Dave a few months ago.

    Nice pick up Jeff. Couldn't wait for Surf City huh ?


    Good pickup on the source, Mike!
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Well, I finally connected with Gail at JJTeaparty.


    Also picked up one Half - another upgrade - 1898-S in PCGS 58 ( unsure of CAC ).
    ( this image is on Don's Registry Set - I'll copy and paste later on ).


    Lastly: A few Quarters - all upgrades : (All AU 58's. )
    1894-S, 1907-D, 1908-D, & 1908-S.

    I had others sent as well, however, I liked my AU 55's better. Nothing wrong
    with the ones I sent back, they just didn't fit into my set as I had hoped !

    The above Quarters are in my set already in AU 55 - I am going to consign some of
    these to Liz. I think I'll be better off working it this way.

    Images will be taken this Spring. I have the true view Half image so far, unless Don Willis
    had other Tru Views taken of his minor coinage. Once I get the coins in hand, I'll run the
    Certificate numbers and copy and post whatever I find.

    That's about it for the moment. Off to the Vet's for Max's annual check up and then pick up
    Ginja and go to the Dog Park for their daily dog fest.

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MFH

    Well, I finally connected with Gail at JJTeaparty.

    Picked up one Dime - upgrade - 1902-O in PCGS 58 CAC - sight unseen.


    Also picked up one Half - another upgrade - 1898-S in PCGS 58 ( unsure of CAC ).
    ( this image is on Don's Registry Set - I'll copy and paste later on ).


    Lastly: Nine Quarters - all upgrades : (All AU 58's. Am not sure about which are CAC . )
    1894-S, 1903-O, 1904-O 1906-O, 1907-D, 1908-D, 1908-S, 1911-D and lastly, 1914-S.
    The 1914-S was much more than I expected ... But as I thought about it, when if ever will
    I ever see another in 58 ? Not like I can go to the 1914-S AU 58 Store and pick another one !!


    The above Quarters are in my set already in AU 55 - I am going to consign these to Liz.
    I think I'll be better off working it this way.

    Images will be taken this Spring. I have the true view Half image so far, unless Don Willis
    had other Tru Views taken of his minor coinage. Once I get the coins in hand, I'll run the
    Certificate numbers and copy and post whatever I find.

    That's about it for the moment. Off to the Vet's for Max's annual check up and then pick up
    Ginja and go to the Dog Park for their daily dog fest.



    Nice shopping trip.

    I can't wait to see them.

    Good luck
    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Quite the haul Mike! I bought Don's 01-O + 01-S Half's.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    The 98-s 01-o and 01-s all look like nice halves.
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lenny instructed me to sit tight- I did. No new purchases. My bank account thanks you Lenny.

    Perhaps PCGS needs to establish a new collecting category for folks like me, "Little Boy Sets".
    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff...Unlike you I believe there will always be enough of a following to support the midgrade Barber Halves. The market ebbs and tides with those who panic and sell cheap and those who are patient and get their price! There is also a huge spread pricewise between the Dogs and the nice coins. You can see several of those examples side by side(same auction) in heritage prices realized.
  • LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JeffMTampa

    Lenny instructed me to sit tight- I did. No new purchases. My bank account thanks you Lenny.



    Perhaps PCGS needs to establish a new collecting category for folks like me, "Little Boy Sets".




    I guess I have a toddler set image
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike & Darrell - Congrats on the purchases from Surf City. I like the originality of both the 01-O and 01-S halves, and look forward to viewing the qtrs.

    Pics for this AM, from Jim's collection, NGC-40:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any way to get carriage returns to work with this new system?
    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice looking 25C- looks like an upgrade cantidate.
    I love them Barber Halves.....

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