Anyone up for some Roosie Talk? - Thread #1

I didn't win a single one...I don't bid strong money on NGC coins anymore unless I can see them in person.

The price points I'm comfortable paying for sight unseen NGC coins are one grade back and no attribution, so if a coin is MS68FB, I will only pay MS67 no bands money.

So I'm not surprised I didn't win any...but since I only do PCGS plastic I'd need to cross them therefore I learned never to break the above rule and then I'm usually ok..

Nice...you got that from KryptoniteComics?

I consigned that dime with him a few weeks ago. It's always odd to see photos of coins you used to own. There was another really good looking coin that I consigned with him. This one here

I've never seen this kind of toning on any other Roosevelt dime...half blue and half pink. The only reason that I got rid of it was because I have too many other nice looking '57-P in my collection now.

NGC MS 67


NGC MS 66
The photos don't do this coin justice. The reverse on this one is one of my favorite toners in my set.

By the way, does anyone else here collect other things related to the Roosevelt dime? Here are a few things that I've acquired over the past few months...

A few March of Dimes awareness and fundraising matchbook covers. I'm guessing these are all from the late 1930s to early 1940s. One is dated 1938, and another refers to "President" Franklin D. Roosevelt.





From bottom to top:
* FDR First Day Cover Jan. 30 1946 -- This was issued on the same date as the public release date of the Roosevelt dime.
* March of Dimes Coin Donation Mailer -- Not dated, but it must be from after FDR's death. The mailer says "In Remember of Franklin D. Roosevelt".
* March of Dimes Printers Block -- Don't know how to date this one. I'm guessing it's from the late 30s or early 40s based on the design of the logo with the torch.



Cancelled Roosevelt dime mint die. The serial number on this is: D4 - 518607. I don't know where this was used. But I have seen others that were used at the San Francisco Mint with a serial number that began with an S. So I am guessing this was used at Denver.


Some colorful stamps from San Marino issued in 1947:


Another March Of Dimes coin donation card. I can't date this one exactly, but based on the design of the union logo in the bottom right hand corner on the reverse, it must date somewhere between 1945 and 1964. Based on the overall design, however, I'd guess it dates from the late 1950s to early 1960s. The kid on the back looks like Elroy Jetson:

Just put up some PCGS & NGC certified Roosies for sale on the Buy/Sell/Trade forums if anyone is interested. Here

Decent coins at pretty good prices. The highlight (or at least I think it's the highlight) is a 1958-D Teich Family coin. I've owned a handful of these. None are really good looking. But that one is the nicest looking that I've ever seen.




There's also a 1959-P NGC MS 67 that might go FB for $67.

<< <i>I would like to know how PCGS determines FB as I have seen FB coins and wonder how and seen non FB and wonder why not. Can anyone help. >>



Yeah. So PCGS began designating Full Bands (FB) in 2003. So Roosevelt dimes slabbed before 2003 won't carry a FB designation. Perhaps the Roosevelt dimes you saw with full torch details were slabbed before 2003. Also to note, FB (as well as NGC's FT) only applies to business-struck coins. There is no FB or FT designation on proof Roosevelts.

PCGS' press release about the Full Bands designation from 2003 says, "The PCGS ''Full Bands'' designation for Roosevelts requires that both the upper and lower pair of bands on the torch be distinct and show full separation. The line dividing the bands must be complete and unbroken."*

Not that you asked about NGC but...there is a slight difference between PCGS' and NGC's designation requirements. NGC also started designating Full Torch (FT) in 2003. Their original press release said, "The designation FT for Full Torch will be applied to Roosevelt Dimes having both upper and lower pair of horizontal bands split as well as the vertical lines of the torch being defined."** The difference is, according to the press release definitions, that PCGS does not mention anything about the vertical lines.

* http://www.pcgs.com/News/Pcgs-To-Add-Full-Bands-Designation-For-Roosevelt-Dimes
**http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?NewsletterNewsArticleID=426

Yeah if both band lines are split, typically all of the vertical lines are present. However, even if both band lines are present (as you know it's mostly the lower band line that is missing) sometimes there may be an interruption in the vertical lines, which may hold a coin back from NGC's FT designation. In the example below, the bottom line looks pretty good, but there is clearly a contact mark that interrupts the continuity of the vertical lines above the lower band. This might hold this coin back from NGC's FT designation. But it might not hold it from PCGS' FB...that is according to their original definitions.



By the way, this is one that I am selling here. It's a 1959-P NGC MS 67 in a 5th generation slab. That was before the company started with the FT designation. And I considered sending it in for Designation Review, but I think that the contact mark above the lower band line might hold it back from FT. But again, and as I mention in the sale post, I actually think this dime has a better chance of going PCGS' FB than NGC's FT.

...I should try to get a better photo of it.

Very nice 69P. I think PC would grade it. I have a few I'll be sending in after the first. Send it to me I'll send it in with them.

Did anyone notice anything special about the Heritage NGC 69P 66FT that just sold?

Based on the Heritage pic I grade it 65 no bands. I'll let you know what it looks like when I get it in hand.

<< <i>I got the 1969-P 901 today. It is much nicer in hand than the scan. Good strike for a 69-P. While the bands are not full there is some of a line. Far from the normal flatness usually seen.

I can't tell what it is on the "R". It doesn't look like a scratch so maybe it is a strike thru. It's not as bad in hand as in the pic. I think PCGS would grade it 63...give or take a grade.

JMHO >>



Congrats. '69 FS-901 is a tough coin to find in any grade.

BTW, does anyone know anything about the 1959 Broken S of JS as seen in the photo below...



I've seen it mentioned only in one place; here, which is where I got the photo.

I've found a few other examples on eBay. But eBay photos are rarely clear enough to make it out. Here's one that I did find earlier today, where you can clearly see the Broken S.



The eBay listing doesn't mention the Broken S. And I would actually buy this coin. But the guy wants $40 for it. Here's the whole coin.



I don't know where he's getting the $40 price from. I messaged him and said that I'd give him $10 for it, which I think is more than fair. He said he wouldn't take less than $25.

Not me

I didn't do it.....

Alright guys, I need to have a FUN update since I couldn't go. What happened in the Roosie world and what is going to happen in 2015?

RR. Solid analysis.

A dealer recently took a shot at me trying to sell me a pop 1/0 quarter I needed in 67+ for $25,000. The coin was maybe worth $5,000 or $6,000 in MS67 on a good day. I would have considered paying $10,000 for the MS67+ if he had come to me with that figure in the first place. After he took the shot, I told him he had a $10,000 quarter at best and wished him luck. I just watched the coin hammer at $6,500. Had I bid, it is very possible the coin might have reached $10,000. Without me, the pop 1/0 MS67+ coin sold for less that the current Price Guide price of an MS67 coin! I just felt bad karma with the coin. This ties into RR's comment about the + coins. The premiums are shrinking fast in many cases. And, when gradeflation kicks in when a coin achieves the full point upgrade to 68, the market is no longer chasing registry points like the old days. I nearly had to do a double take when I saw this week an MS68FS silver war nickel hammer at just $5,500 (or thereabouts) when the coin was a $20,000 coin just a couple years ago. But, guess what- the pop has doubled in that time and you are only as good as your worst quality coin for the grade. No doubt, many 68s these days are just the 67+ coins of a few years ago.

As always, just my two cents. Wondercoin

It was great seeing the Roosie gang, and other friends at FUN. Although no coins were acquired the togetherness was outstanding. Dinner, wine, etc. was, as always, top-notch.

Friendship is the best!!!

Thanks guy's!!!!

For those that have been waiting for CAC to start certifying Roosevelts. There is a new company that just opened in Idaho (being run by James Sego / great guy) that does nearly all the coins that CAC won't do, and that list includes Roosevelts.

Collectibles Quality Assurance Co, LLC aka QA✓. website is www.QACoins.com. Mention my name and your membership is only $49.95 and that includes 10 free grades.

Maybe having a tag put on them will inject some enthusiasm back into the "Roosie" market...good luck.

Brian, when are you going to come back to the light?

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<< <i>For those that have been waiting for CAC to start certifying Roosevelts. There is a new company that just opened in Idaho (being run by James Sego / great guy) that does nearly all the coins that CAC won't do, and that list includes Roosevelts. >>



What is the name of the company? Is there a website?

I upgraded my Silver Roosevelt Type from a 1946-S/S DDR & RPM FS-502 MS65FB to;

1946-S/S 10C DDR & RPM FS-501 PCGS MS66FB