PCGS will cross the 1884 as a 66 and it will sticker despite the slight fingerprint on the reverse. The 1885 would cross and be stickered as a 65+ CAM.
@tradedollarnut said:
PCGS will cross the 1884 as a 66 and it will sticker despite the slight fingerprint on the reverse. The 1885 would cross and be stickered as a 65+ CAM.
TDN.
Are you giving us a hint on something to watch for?
@MrEureka said: "FWIW, I would prefer that we avoid posts like this. Sure, the coin was upgraded. Maybe it added a lot of value, maybe not. But knowing it upgraded is irrelevant to an appreciation of the coin, the quest, or the collection."
While I can appreciate the coins, FWIW, I think the grade and price history is very important to record for future generations. It will save them the time and effort trying to figure out the who, what, where, and when.
What would really be cool if someone makes an outrageous offer that no sane person could refuse for the entire Hansen Collection once he completes it.
Sorry, I NEVER EVER liked that PR67 1884. I do know I am probably the only person to feel that way-and all my buddies have said I am dead wrong. Its my taste.
Now that I think about it, I can’t really say I remember the Starr 1884, and I may never have actually viewed it in hand. Seems impossible, but I missed the Starr sale, I could have missed theSuperior sale in which it reappeared, and I don’t know if Parrino ever brought it to shows. I think it’s the picture of the coin from the Starr sale that’s actually burned into my memory. So if anyone out there was planning to buy the coin sight unseen based on my earlier comments, don’t.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It does have the CAC certification, so I think that is important to some. The PR67 is in Hansen collection. Is someone suggesting he is going to sell it anytime soon?
New Upgrade to D.L. Hansen CS Complete US Set. (1792-1964)
This upgrade is amazing, undisputable. As some of you have been observing the past few weeks, it appear that really nice high grade coins are being upgraded with the very finest specimens possible. That may be the case here. According to Stack’s Bowers (2013): The rare and eagerly sought 1901-S Quarter is the undisputed ""King of Barber Coinage,"". The San Francisco Mint struck a mere 72,664 Quarters in 1901, which snatched the record low mintage for the Barber series from the hands of the 1896-S. The 1901-S remains one of the most challenging dates to find, and the offered Mint State-66 example is undoubtedly one of the finest known of this date and mint. It would enhance even the most advanced collection of Barber quarters, and is truly an historic offering. The Hansen collection has a very nice, pleasing 1901-S 25C MS66 specimen with a POP of 3/5. The coin appeared in a Stack’s Bowers Chicago ANA auction in July 2013 and sold for $96.938. It has a present PCGS Price Guide value of $125,000. So, what would you replace a $125,000 dollar quarter with?
$500,000 Barber Quarter!
You would replace with The Finest-Known 1901-S Barber Quarter with is a Beautiful, Original PCGS MS-68+ with a Pop of 1/0. According to Stack’s Bowers (2010): By Far and away the finest-known example of the rare, key-date 1901-S. The cataloger had never seen a 1901-S Quarter with the technical merits and eye appeal of this awe-inspiring Superb Gem. This is the single highest-graded 1901-S Barber Quarter known to PCGS, and the coin fully deserves every bit of honor that derives from this important standing. Both sides are totally and completely original with a full endowment of bright, frosty mint luster. The obverse is largely untoned, and we see only a few speckles of extremely faint champagne-pink iridescence scattered about near the rims. The center of the reverse is brilliant, that side of the coin also displaying a halo of iridescent reddish-apricot peripheral toning. The surfaces are essentially pristine (the reverse, in particular, seems to be completely devoid of marks), and they are certainly as close to this distinction as we have ever seen in an '01-S Quarter. The strike is also near perfect, both sides overall fully defined with extremely minor softness of detail confined to star 11 on the obverse.
This 1901-S Barber Quarter last sold in Stack’s Bowers March 2010 Baltimore auction for $327,750. The PCGS Price Guide value is a cool half million dollars! If you are still comparing, the Louis Eliasberg specimen was PCGS graded at MS67 and an Ex: San Francisco Mint; J.M. Clapp; John H. Clapp.
As a type coin, this 1901-S is one of the finest specimens in the Barber Half Dollar series. This is one of only four MS68+ graded by PCGS, with none finer. The other MS68+ are dates: 1892, 1900-O and 1898-O.
1901-S Original Barber Quarter PCGS MS-68+ PCGS POP 1/0 Value $500,000
1901-S 25C MS66 specimen with a POP of 3/5 Value $125,000
FWIW........I like the MS66 better than the MS68+. This just means that I would have to keep both of them. But if you resubmitted them together for a regrade, you might improve the 66 to a 67.
@tradedollarnut said:
I’d have saved that $400k and upgraded the 1804$1
Could upgrade both.
If you have lots of cash and not too many competing interests to spend on, there are many options.
Since Eliasberg had an MS-67 1901-s 25c, it seems consistent with the plan to upgrade an MS-66.
If money is no object, then by all means upgrade all the keys and semi keys throughout the entire series. If money IS an object (and they stated that it was when they bought the 1804$1) then choose wisely where you spend it. $500k on a 1901-S quarter vs $1M on an 1804$1? No question which one I’d choose.
The way John Brush phrased it, they are looking for "fair prices".
So money is relevant.
However, it doesn't mean there is a binding budget constraint, so they could "choose both" if both prices are fair.
In other words, if $500k is a fair price for a 1901-s 25c MS-68+, then it can be bought,
and it does not prevent spending another $500k on some other (fair priced) upgrade or new coin in the future.
The King of Siam PF67 and the Stickney/Eliasberg PF65 haven't appeared at auction recently. That leaves the Sultan of Muscat/Pogue PF68 and the Dexter PF65. Based on what I have seen posted about Mr. Hansen's tastes including comments of his own, my guess is that he felt the PF68 was overpriced and wouldn't meet the Pogue's reserve. He may have shunned the Dexter coin because of the graffiti. Since he doesn't know when the next Class I coin will be offered, he took the first reasonably priced problem free sample he could find. I don't think that was unreasonable at all. He can always upgrade later and sell off his PF62.
Top flight dealers who play their trade in the deep end of the hobby pool should spend some time and effort persuading Jeff Bezos to collect coins. If he decided to collect the best of the best, that would invigorate the hobby.
@SanctionII said:
Top flight dealers who play their trade in the deep end of the hobby pool should spend some time and effort persuading Jeff Bezos to collect coins. If he decided to collect the best of the best, that would invigorate the hobby.
@SanctionII said:
Top flight dealers who play their trade in the deep end of the hobby pool should spend some time and effort persuading Jeff Bezos to collect coins. If he decided to collect the best of the best, that would invigorate the hobby.
Who is Jeff Bezos?
The richest man in world. Founder & CEO of Amazon
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
1901, Need, Demand, Value, the 1885 Trade Dollar, the Nickel and just a little CAC.
I believe the 1901 was a good buy. Rare, one of a kind, and a famous rarity. I still own a 67+ as the buyer of my
set had a 67 and liked it. I probably would sell it. Pogue and DLH own the other two 67's.
Congrats DLH and JB!
I do not believe DLH "needs" any coin. He has been collecting for around two years now and has learned a lot.
Sure, if he can fill the remaining holes at fair prices he will. But having every coin is probably no longer as important
as upgrading his quality. We all see that it seems DLH has raised his standards and is buying lots of CAC and eye appeal coins.
Good! Over the years I have lost maybe 1M selling mistakes, dupes, coins that certain dealers screwed me on and more.
Yes, a lot to lose, but I am not the type that wants something hanging around forever. We all look in many dealers cases and inventory and see the same coins for a long time. Many do not want to take losses. I believe in losing and using the proceeds to buy something more desirable or to my liking. Sure I lose much less these days! "Sell the privates and keep the generals". (A general can be an AU Bust Half that has amazing toning)
DLH should perhaps take 40M of mistakes and dupes and sell them for whatever they are worth. Lose 10-15M and move on. It is obvious that he now knows who screwed him and what "dreck" is. (Laura's term!) He should by perhaps 75% CAC coins. I would say 95% but people on here would berate me.
DMPL's are some of the most over graded coins. I do not know the owner of the top set, and no offense but I would bet 10K that half would not pass CAC. Regardless of how you feel about CAC would you want that set or the number four set that is all but one CAC? DLH bought a set near the beginning of his collecting. Maybe JB will share how many passed CAC?
So what should DLH do going forward? He purchased by MS Barber that were all CAC. He kept 59 for his set and added
13 of his. He will catch Duckor soon. This is fine. I assume as he year go on he will look to buy CAC coins, if priced right to
replace his examples.
I think I heard that the 1885 Trade is around for about 5 M. I doubt DLH will pay that.
He will wait. If there are a handful of coins he does not choose to buy, so what. His collection will still be one of the finest of
all time. As we all see, it is improving daily. There are coins on the DLRC site that would be upgrades for DLH but they are on consignment and priced high. There are so many coins to buy, so DLH can be picky and price conscious.
Will he buy the upcoming Lib Nickel? No idea. However that gets me talking about value. How many people are there to
buy it? I do not think many. You need at least two. Look at the dollar JA and Kevin bought and sold to Bruce. It seemed cheap. Great coin! if DLH does not buy the Nickel i do not think it matters. Personally I would rather have a handful of other coins than the nickel. It IS the only CAC example. From memory the others are all over graded, a few by more than one grade. Most of the top rarities are over graded? Why?
The 01S quarter that I sold to the Specialist as well as the Gardner 01S
Grading MS 67+ are both finer than the dipped 01S grading MS 68+. Both 67+ coins have original skin and colorful toning .
The Eliasberg 1804 $ graded PR 65
but is a circulated coin. Quality wise
The King of Siam specimen and the Waters/Child’s/Pogue coins as well as
The Dexter Specimen coin are the only finer 1804 Dollars.
So why don’t you offer Mr. Hansen your coin Bruce ?
@OldIndianNutKase said:
FWIW........I like the MS66 better than the MS68+. This just means that I would have to keep both of them. But if you resubmitted them together for a regrade, you might improve the 66 to a 67.
OINK
I retract this comment after I reviewed the TrueViews. The MS66 has significant hairlines and a ding on the cheek. IMO 63-64. But the 68+ is clearly overgraded and is a weak strike compared to the 66 and 67 coins. Thanks to STEWARTBLAY for his opiniion on the 67+ coins........made me review the TrueViews and he is correct.
When we talk about the collection, the magnitude of the size is sometimes lost.
This collection when completed will have something like 3000 coins.
That’s 150 boxes of 20.
A banquet table that’s 3x6’ will hold about 300 slabs. So 10 banquet tables full to the brim with slabs to display the whole thing.
There is something quite satisfying about looking at a collection in its entirety, and I hope DLH sometimes has that opportunity, though he’s gonna need a lot of room.
New Upgrade to D.L. Hansen CS Complete US Set. (1792-1964)
This is another amazing upgrade. The replaced coin was in the Hansen Seated Dollar set. Hansen specimen for this semi-key 1870-CC was a MS63 with a POP of 7/1. I am not sure how this coin was acquired, but I don’t think it was the coin from the Hall of Fame Morelan set. The retired Morelan set is missing the 1870-CC, and I believe I remember TDN saying that he sold his specimen. The last auction appearance for this Hansen MS63 specimen was the Stack's Bowers August 2011 Chicago ANA where it sold for $28,750. It was describe by Stack's Bowers as a remarkable Choice Mint State 1870-CC Silver Dollar among finest certified at PCGS. A medium steel-gray example of the first date of silver dollar coinage at the Carson City Mint, a lustrous piece with a wealth of neon blue, gold, and rose iridescence in a bold light source. The strike is crisp and bold in all places with just a hint of softness in Liberty's tresses, and surface disturbances by way of nicks or abrasions are at an absolute minimum. I don’t particular care for the dark spot on the reverse.
Provenance: From the William Porter Collection.
1870-CC Liberty Seated Silver Dollar. Variety 1-D. MS-64 POP 1/0
This may the coin that was in the original HOF Morelan set. I hope TDN will add some clarity to this upgrade. If possible, let us know the story behind it. My online research shows this coin was offered June 17, 2018 on Chris Napolitano Numismatics website for $175,000. This price is significant more that PCGS Price Guide Value $135,000. It is a simple magnificent coin, so may be worth every penny. The last auction appearance for this specimen was the Stack's Bowers August 2012 Philadelphia ANA where it sold for $129,250. It was describe by Stack's Bowers as an extremely significant coin for the advanced silver dollar and/or Carson City Mint specialist, this delightful near-Gem is the single finest 1870-CC certified by PCGS. When offered as lot 1194 in our (Stack's) session of Auction 84, the coin was described, in part, as: "Prooflike surfaces and needle-sharp in strike. In the cataloguer's opinion, this is the finest known and more than likely struck for presentation as the first year of issue of the Carson City mint. The coin is really perfect..." Inspection today, nearly 30 years after Auction 84, confirms that the prooflike finish of this coin remains one of its most visually impressive attributes. Both sides readily reveal shimmering reflectivity in the fields when rotated under a light, the finish shining forth powerfully through a blanket of lovely silver gray patina. When held at a direct angle to the light, the surfaces also exhibit vivid undertones in charming golden-apricot iridescence.
Provenance: From the Battle Born Collection. Earlier ex: our (Bowers and Ruddy's) sale of the Fairfield Collection, October 1977, lot 1130; our (Stack's) session of Auction '84, July 1984, lot 1194; our (Stack's) sale of the L.R. French, Jr. Family Collection of United States Silver Dollars, January 1989, lot 55; unknown intermediaries; Dr. John C. Wong; and our (Bowers and Merena's) sale of the Dr. John C. Wong Estate Collection, November-December 2001, lot 4422.
1870-CC Liberty Seated Silver Dollar. Variety 1-D. MS-64 POP 1/0 PCGS Price Guide Value $135,000
1870-CC Liberty Seated Silver Dollar MS63 with a POP of 7/1 PCGS Price Guide Value $42,500
I do really wish he would stick to CAC in the Seated series. The upgrade coin has definitely failed CAC. It was in the Phil Flannigan/Wong sale in the early 2000s as a 63 and was upgraded to 64 maybe 4-5 years ago.
So that,comes back,to,my point. Would,your rather own the coin as a high end 63 CAC
Or an overgraded 64? It was probably CAC and cracked. The entire game is a charade.
Cac 63 money is getting closer,to non cac 64 money. The smart people know this.
The others think they are getting a 64 at a good price. Total joke.
Even if CAC is right only 70% of the time, that means that 70% of non cac coins are over graded.
Why do.people want them? Are they dilussional? Can’t they admit the truth to, themselves?
TDN, Yes some coins do not have to be CAC for various reasons. Agreed.
You probably have more experince and have,owned more and better coins than all of,us.
What percentage of your current and previous coins pass,or,would,pass,CAC?
I bet most. End of,story.
As I,said,before I believe DLH is moving more,and ,more,to CAC
This,is,about DLH. Currin, DLH is now starting to add CAC in the notes column of,his,sets.
You should keep,track of,the percentage of CaC for,the,next year and see,if,it,grows.
Comments
The Eliasberg 1885 is graded NGC PF66. It would be a numismatic sin to separate it from the Eliasberg 1884 PF66
CoinFacts estimates the grade on both as being PR65s. Do you agree with the assessment?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
PCGS will cross the 1884 as a 66 and it will sticker despite the slight fingerprint on the reverse. The 1885 would cross and be stickered as a 65+ CAM.
TDN.
Are you giving us a hint on something to watch for?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
No. Just fully aware of the exact quality of those coins since I used to own them both.
Understand., have they always been together since Elisaberg, or did you put them back together?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I put them back together
@MrEureka said: "FWIW, I would prefer that we avoid posts like this. Sure, the coin was upgraded. Maybe it added a lot of value, maybe not. But knowing it upgraded is irrelevant to an appreciation of the coin, the quest, or the collection."
While I can appreciate the coins, FWIW, I think the grade and price history is very important to record for future generations. It will save them the time and effort trying to figure out the who, what, where, and when.
What would really be cool if someone makes an outrageous offer that no sane person could refuse for the entire Hansen Collection once he completes it.
Maybe so, but I'd still rather have Starr's 1884.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
If you’re into dark....shrug.
Ugh. Don’t do an internet image search for Starr 1884 with the safeties off
Now that you guys have gone down this road, one of you need to post a picture
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Sorry, I NEVER EVER liked that PR67 1884. I do know I am probably the only person to feel that way-and all my buddies have said I am dead wrong. Its my taste.
It is darker then the image reveals.
And Newcomer
Ron Guth, Chief Investigator
The Numismatic Detective Agency
Now that I think about it, I can’t really say I remember the Starr 1884, and I may never have actually viewed it in hand. Seems impossible, but I missed the Starr sale, I could have missed theSuperior sale in which it reappeared, and I don’t know if Parrino ever brought it to shows. I think it’s the picture of the coin from the Starr sale that’s actually burned into my memory. So if anyone out there was planning to buy the coin sight unseen based on my earlier comments, don’t.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It does have the CAC certification, so I think that is important to some. The PR67 is in Hansen collection. Is someone suggesting he is going to sell it anytime soon?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
New Upgrade to D.L. Hansen CS Complete US Set. (1792-1964)
This upgrade is amazing, undisputable. As some of you have been observing the past few weeks, it appear that really nice high grade coins are being upgraded with the very finest specimens possible. That may be the case here. According to Stack’s Bowers (2013): The rare and eagerly sought 1901-S Quarter is the undisputed ""King of Barber Coinage,"". The San Francisco Mint struck a mere 72,664 Quarters in 1901, which snatched the record low mintage for the Barber series from the hands of the 1896-S. The 1901-S remains one of the most challenging dates to find, and the offered Mint State-66 example is undoubtedly one of the finest known of this date and mint. It would enhance even the most advanced collection of Barber quarters, and is truly an historic offering. The Hansen collection has a very nice, pleasing 1901-S 25C MS66 specimen with a POP of 3/5. The coin appeared in a Stack’s Bowers Chicago ANA auction in July 2013 and sold for $96.938. It has a present PCGS Price Guide value of $125,000. So, what would you replace a $125,000 dollar quarter with?
$500,000 Barber Quarter!
You would replace with The Finest-Known 1901-S Barber Quarter with is a Beautiful, Original PCGS MS-68+ with a Pop of 1/0. According to Stack’s Bowers (2010): By Far and away the finest-known example of the rare, key-date 1901-S. The cataloger had never seen a 1901-S Quarter with the technical merits and eye appeal of this awe-inspiring Superb Gem. This is the single highest-graded 1901-S Barber Quarter known to PCGS, and the coin fully deserves every bit of honor that derives from this important standing. Both sides are totally and completely original with a full endowment of bright, frosty mint luster. The obverse is largely untoned, and we see only a few speckles of extremely faint champagne-pink iridescence scattered about near the rims. The center of the reverse is brilliant, that side of the coin also displaying a halo of iridescent reddish-apricot peripheral toning. The surfaces are essentially pristine (the reverse, in particular, seems to be completely devoid of marks), and they are certainly as close to this distinction as we have ever seen in an '01-S Quarter. The strike is also near perfect, both sides overall fully defined with extremely minor softness of detail confined to star 11 on the obverse.
This 1901-S Barber Quarter last sold in Stack’s Bowers March 2010 Baltimore auction for $327,750. The PCGS Price Guide value is a cool half million dollars! If you are still comparing, the Louis Eliasberg specimen was PCGS graded at MS67 and an Ex: San Francisco Mint; J.M. Clapp; John H. Clapp.
As a type coin, this 1901-S is one of the finest specimens in the Barber Half Dollar series. This is one of only four MS68+ graded by PCGS, with none finer. The other MS68+ are dates: 1892, 1900-O and 1898-O.
1901-S Original Barber Quarter PCGS MS-68+ PCGS POP 1/0 Value $500,000
1901-S 25C MS66 specimen with a POP of 3/5 Value $125,000
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
FWIW........I like the MS66 better than the MS68+. This just means that I would have to keep both of them. But if you resubmitted them together for a regrade, you might improve the 66 to a 67.
OINK
I’d have saved that $400k and upgraded the 1804$1
He's working on a roll
Could upgrade both.
If you have lots of cash and not too many competing interests to spend on, there are many options.
Since Eliasberg had an MS-67 1901-s 25c, it seems consistent with the plan to upgrade an MS-66.
Eliasberg’s 1804$1 is graded PCGS PR65. Which is more important to match?
If money is no object, then by all means upgrade all the keys and semi keys throughout the entire series. If money IS an object (and they stated that it was when they bought the 1804$1) then choose wisely where you spend it. $500k on a 1901-S quarter vs $1M on an 1804$1? No question which one I’d choose.
The way John Brush phrased it, they are looking for "fair prices".
So money is relevant.
However, it doesn't mean there is a binding budget constraint, so they could "choose both" if both prices are fair.
In other words, if $500k is a fair price for a 1901-s 25c MS-68+, then it can be bought,
and it does not prevent spending another $500k on some other (fair priced) upgrade or new coin in the future.
Re: 1804 Dollar
The King of Siam PF67 and the Stickney/Eliasberg PF65 haven't appeared at auction recently. That leaves the Sultan of Muscat/Pogue PF68 and the Dexter PF65. Based on what I have seen posted about Mr. Hansen's tastes including comments of his own, my guess is that he felt the PF68 was overpriced and wouldn't meet the Pogue's reserve. He may have shunned the Dexter coin because of the graffiti. Since he doesn't know when the next Class I coin will be offered, he took the first reasonably priced problem free sample he could find. I don't think that was unreasonable at all. He can always upgrade later and sell off his PF62.
Top flight dealers who play their trade in the deep end of the hobby pool should spend some time and effort persuading Jeff Bezos to collect coins. If he decided to collect the best of the best, that would invigorate the hobby.
I think (old age memory) we sold the Gardner 01S PCGS MS67+ CAC for $350G. So $500G for the MS68+ is very fair.
I really like this upgrade, unless it impacts his ability to make a good run for the 1913.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Who is Jeff Bezos?
Graffiti. Lol
The richest man in world. Founder & CEO of Amazon
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
1901, Need, Demand, Value, the 1885 Trade Dollar, the Nickel and just a little CAC.
I believe the 1901 was a good buy. Rare, one of a kind, and a famous rarity. I still own a 67+ as the buyer of my
set had a 67 and liked it. I probably would sell it. Pogue and DLH own the other two 67's.
Congrats DLH and JB!
I do not believe DLH "needs" any coin. He has been collecting for around two years now and has learned a lot.
Sure, if he can fill the remaining holes at fair prices he will. But having every coin is probably no longer as important
as upgrading his quality. We all see that it seems DLH has raised his standards and is buying lots of CAC and eye appeal coins.
Good! Over the years I have lost maybe 1M selling mistakes, dupes, coins that certain dealers screwed me on and more.
Yes, a lot to lose, but I am not the type that wants something hanging around forever. We all look in many dealers cases and inventory and see the same coins for a long time. Many do not want to take losses. I believe in losing and using the proceeds to buy something more desirable or to my liking. Sure I lose much less these days! "Sell the privates and keep the generals". (A general can be an AU Bust Half that has amazing toning)
DLH should perhaps take 40M of mistakes and dupes and sell them for whatever they are worth. Lose 10-15M and move on. It is obvious that he now knows who screwed him and what "dreck" is. (Laura's term!) He should by perhaps 75% CAC coins. I would say 95% but people on here would berate me.
DMPL's are some of the most over graded coins. I do not know the owner of the top set, and no offense but I would bet 10K that half would not pass CAC. Regardless of how you feel about CAC would you want that set or the number four set that is all but one CAC? DLH bought a set near the beginning of his collecting. Maybe JB will share how many passed CAC?
So what should DLH do going forward? He purchased by MS Barber that were all CAC. He kept 59 for his set and added
13 of his. He will catch Duckor soon. This is fine. I assume as he year go on he will look to buy CAC coins, if priced right to
replace his examples.
I think I heard that the 1885 Trade is around for about 5 M. I doubt DLH will pay that.
He will wait. If there are a handful of coins he does not choose to buy, so what. His collection will still be one of the finest of
all time. As we all see, it is improving daily. There are coins on the DLRC site that would be upgrades for DLH but they are on consignment and priced high. There are so many coins to buy, so DLH can be picky and price conscious.
Will he buy the upcoming Lib Nickel? No idea. However that gets me talking about value. How many people are there to
buy it? I do not think many. You need at least two. Look at the dollar JA and Kevin bought and sold to Bruce. It seemed cheap. Great coin! if DLH does not buy the Nickel i do not think it matters. Personally I would rather have a handful of other coins than the nickel. It IS the only CAC example. From memory the others are all over graded, a few by more than one grade. Most of the top rarities are over graded? Why?
Currin post more new buys!
@Perfection
This little collector is enjoying your one liners ala "sell the privates, keep the generals" and CAC is to PCGS as PCGS is to NGC.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
The 01S quarter that I sold to the Specialist as well as the Gardner 01S
Grading MS 67+ are both finer than the dipped 01S grading MS 68+. Both 67+ coins have original skin and colorful toning .
The Eliasberg 1804 $ graded PR 65
but is a circulated coin. Quality wise
The King of Siam specimen and the Waters/Child’s/Pogue coins as well as
The Dexter Specimen coin are the only finer 1804 Dollars.
So why don’t you offer Mr. Hansen your coin Bruce ?
NFS
It is a keeper for sure.
Neither is my 58 DDO
So my 1901 came from Stewart. Nice coin! Thanks
There is a really nice upgrade that I plan to post tomorrow. Keep watching.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I retract this comment after I reviewed the TrueViews. The MS66 has significant hairlines and a ding on the cheek. IMO 63-64. But the 68+ is clearly overgraded and is a weak strike compared to the 66 and 67 coins. Thanks to STEWARTBLAY for his opiniion on the 67+ coins........made me review the TrueViews and he is correct.
OINK
Any guess how many Set Registry awards Mr. Hansen
will be receiving at the PCGS luncheon
this year?
EASY, one award. Doesn't he own every set on the Registiries????
What a thrill it must be for the great guys at David Lawrence to help Hansen assemble this world class collection!
Perfection, Did DLH purchase your Liberty Seated Quarter Proof Set? If so, it look like that set is missing from the list too... correct?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
When we talk about the collection, the magnitude of the size is sometimes lost.
This collection when completed will have something like 3000 coins.
That’s 150 boxes of 20.
A banquet table that’s 3x6’ will hold about 300 slabs. So 10 banquet tables full to the brim with slabs to display the whole thing.
There is something quite satisfying about looking at a collection in its entirety, and I hope DLH sometimes has that opportunity, though he’s gonna need a lot of room.
New Upgrade to D.L. Hansen CS Complete US Set. (1792-1964)
This is another amazing upgrade. The replaced coin was in the Hansen Seated Dollar set. Hansen specimen for this semi-key 1870-CC was a MS63 with a POP of 7/1. I am not sure how this coin was acquired, but I don’t think it was the coin from the Hall of Fame Morelan set. The retired Morelan set is missing the 1870-CC, and I believe I remember TDN saying that he sold his specimen. The last auction appearance for this Hansen MS63 specimen was the Stack's Bowers August 2011 Chicago ANA where it sold for $28,750. It was describe by Stack's Bowers as a remarkable Choice Mint State 1870-CC Silver Dollar among finest certified at PCGS. A medium steel-gray example of the first date of silver dollar coinage at the Carson City Mint, a lustrous piece with a wealth of neon blue, gold, and rose iridescence in a bold light source. The strike is crisp and bold in all places with just a hint of softness in Liberty's tresses, and surface disturbances by way of nicks or abrasions are at an absolute minimum. I don’t particular care for the dark spot on the reverse.
Provenance: From the William Porter Collection.
1870-CC Liberty Seated Silver Dollar. Variety 1-D. MS-64 POP 1/0
This may the coin that was in the original HOF Morelan set. I hope TDN will add some clarity to this upgrade. If possible, let us know the story behind it. My online research shows this coin was offered June 17, 2018 on Chris Napolitano Numismatics website for $175,000. This price is significant more that PCGS Price Guide Value $135,000. It is a simple magnificent coin, so may be worth every penny. The last auction appearance for this specimen was the Stack's Bowers August 2012 Philadelphia ANA where it sold for $129,250. It was describe by Stack's Bowers as an extremely significant coin for the advanced silver dollar and/or Carson City Mint specialist, this delightful near-Gem is the single finest 1870-CC certified by PCGS. When offered as lot 1194 in our (Stack's) session of Auction 84, the coin was described, in part, as: "Prooflike surfaces and needle-sharp in strike. In the cataloguer's opinion, this is the finest known and more than likely struck for presentation as the first year of issue of the Carson City mint. The coin is really perfect..." Inspection today, nearly 30 years after Auction 84, confirms that the prooflike finish of this coin remains one of its most visually impressive attributes. Both sides readily reveal shimmering reflectivity in the fields when rotated under a light, the finish shining forth powerfully through a blanket of lovely silver gray patina. When held at a direct angle to the light, the surfaces also exhibit vivid undertones in charming golden-apricot iridescence.
Provenance: From the Battle Born Collection. Earlier ex: our (Bowers and Ruddy's) sale of the Fairfield Collection, October 1977, lot 1130; our (Stack's) session of Auction '84, July 1984, lot 1194; our (Stack's) sale of the L.R. French, Jr. Family Collection of United States Silver Dollars, January 1989, lot 55; unknown intermediaries; Dr. John C. Wong; and our (Bowers and Merena's) sale of the Dr. John C. Wong Estate Collection, November-December 2001, lot 4422.
1870-CC Liberty Seated Silver Dollar. Variety 1-D. MS-64 POP 1/0 PCGS Price Guide Value $135,000
1870-CC Liberty Seated Silver Dollar MS63 with a POP of 7/1 PCGS Price Guide Value $42,500
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I do really wish he would stick to CAC in the Seated series. The upgrade coin has definitely failed CAC. It was in the Phil Flannigan/Wong sale in the early 2000s as a 63 and was upgraded to 64 maybe 4-5 years ago.
It’s ok...just not $150k ok
So that,comes back,to,my point. Would,your rather own the coin as a high end 63 CAC
Or an overgraded 64? It was probably CAC and cracked. The entire game is a charade.
Cac 63 money is getting closer,to non cac 64 money. The smart people know this.
The others think they are getting a 64 at a good price. Total joke.
Even if CAC is right only 70% of the time, that means that 70% of non cac coins are over graded.
Why do.people want them? Are they dilussional? Can’t they admit the truth to, themselves?
TDN, Yes some coins do not have to be CAC for various reasons. Agreed.
You probably have more experince and have,owned more and better coins than all of,us.
What percentage of your current and previous coins pass,or,would,pass,CAC?
I bet most. End of,story.
As I,said,before I believe DLH is moving more,and ,more,to CAC
This,is,about DLH. Currin, DLH is now starting to add CAC in the notes column of,his,sets.
You should keep,track of,the percentage of CaC for,the,next year and see,if,it,grows.
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Both the trade and seated sets were formed pre CAC. When first submitted, every coin but one (so 61/62) beaned.