Nice video, thanks for posting it. I,did not realize the 68 is white, Wait, it’s not,white. I jut looked. .
Does,not matter. I,beleive,I,own the. 1850. seated half that Gene states. is,one of his three
Favorite, coins.
Because of,these posts I,will display the 1850 and my 1901 s at ANA
At the table, of Witter coin. I might also bring a quarter. 1891 O in 67. I think it was Gene’s as an NGC 68.
It is now pcgs / cac. 67 and there are no 66,s. Rare and neat,coin.
Btw I,sold DLH last year one of my favorite, coins. Why? Because he is building the top
Quarter set and it belongs in it, 1864. ms 68. In a rattler holder. Amazing coin! There are only two motto 68’s in the entire series.
Being a collector in Barber quarters, and having a gem set, I wouldn't dare choose between your 01s and the DeLoy's!
Specialist, owernship adds 2.5 points in this scenario. The 68+ is worth the extra $100G strictly for plastic, which I think is ludicrous. Yours may as well be equal to D.L.'s 68+. Yours is the best COLOR 01s quarter out there and certainly has a lot more going for it than "just" plastic.
perfecto, you have impressed me today. that 1850 is a monster. You too suffer from buying the plastic syndrome. My whole point is yes, so what you have a finest graded PCGS CAC coin/ It may not be a legit FINEST graded due to eye appeal and other factors
My real beef w/the world right now are calling sets #1 when they are just plastic. Sure, I'm spouting off-but I will put ANY #1 all time set I built vs ANY -and I mean ANYthing else. In a true #1 set it should be 1st coin: wow, second coin: oh wow, third coin on: yours eyes pop out and your head explodes. This is the main reason why I loathe the registry concept. Notice Bruce never owned the 70CC MS64. Why? It was cleaned. A true #1 set-which delloy has does not need that coin. I am angry he put that in one of my masterpieces. I dunno how great it really is to be Eliasberg II. At least w/Simpson and now Black Cat they get it. ONLY the VERY best quality and eye appeal-even if they had to fill holes we'd take a point less.
And yes, RIP Gene-how can PCGS not call him one of the greatest collectors ever?
@specialist said:
perfecto, you have impressed me today. that 1850 is a monster. You too suffer from buying the plastic syndrome. My whole point is yes, so what you have a finest graded PCGS CAC coin/ It may not be a legit FINEST graded due to eye appeal and other factors
My real beef w/the world right now are calling sets #1 when they are just plastic. Sure, I'm spouting off-but I will put ANY #1 all time set I built vs ANY -and I mean ANYthing else. In a true #1 set it should be 1st coin: wow, second coin: oh wow, third coin on: yours eyes pop out and your head explodes. This is the main reason why I loathe the registry concept. Notice Bruce never owned the 70CC MS64. Why? It was cleaned. A true #1 set-which delloy has does not need that coin. I am angry he put that in one of my masterpieces. I dunno how great it really is to be Eliasberg II. At least w/Simpson and now Black Cat they get it. ONLY the VERY best quality and eye appeal-even if they had to fill holes we'd take a point less.
And yes, RIP Gene-how can PCGS not call him one of the greatest collectors ever?
Something to consider. The set you helped TD build (?) is no longer yours. Why get upset.
Registry sets are BS in my opinion also. They sell plastic, yet I guess they do serve a purpose: bragging rights and Mo money for the auction companies and TPGS as collectors chase coins.
You may have one of the best "eyes" in the business but others may disagree with your opinion. The devil wants me to turn this into a CAC thread so we can all be entertained for the rest of the weekend but I will resist.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Something to consider. The set you helped TD build (?) is no longer yours. Why get upset.
If you’d worked as hard as we did to build that thing (and yes, Laura sweats it right along with the collector) then you’d have protective feelings, too.
Yes, the coin had been gently cleaned at one point. No sticker. Still, it’s the 2nd or 3rd best example (and the finest graded example) in existence. Until the James A Stack piece resurfaces...or my old holder 63 comes back, it’s an ok piece.
My advice, however, is don’t be penny wise and pound foolish. Seek out and spend the money on the coins that have historically been wow coins. See just about anything in the Stellar Collection as an example
@Wabbit2313 said:
That video was cool. Why not like the fact that some guy with money to burn is buying tons of coins? That seems good for everyone?
I think it is good for everyone in the hobby. How many dealers, both big and small, have benefited from his quest? He isn't just helping the gold guys. He's helping the copper guys, the modern guys, the old silver guys, PCGS, CAC, and all kinds of dealers and collectors. His journey is already well known in the numismatic community. If/when he completes his set, I imagine there will be even more publicity for numismatics.
I know I've sold him a few coins, and I was excited to see that coins I made were going to be part of this amazing set. I was probably more excited about being part of it than making the sales.
Millions of dollars being pumped into the hobby has to be a good thing, no? Though I could see it being infuriating if you were going after the same coins.
bruce the dirty little secret in genes sets-the NGC coins in them were mostly crack outs. Gene was one of the few collectors who never cracked his coins. Many of them are now PCGS CAC. I know this for a fact.
Delloy does have some amazing sets (like his MS $20 Libs) and coins. But he has to stop just filling holes or upgrading just for the plastic. To be a world class best ever collector-then ONLY buy the best. Do not put fillers in-no matter how cheap. I have no shame admitting this burns me up. And when someone messes up a set I built-obviously it angers me to no end. Bruce and I spent years building that set and bruce knew every single top MS seated that was out there. We have coins in it that should not even exist. Then to add this coin which we passed on several times? I can't stand the new breed today simply wants the rankings.
I was talking about the MS Seated set and the 70CC. The TD set fortunately is with Black Cat and he totally gets it about quality.
Yes, Delloy is the flavor of the numismatic world right now because he is showering money all over. It may sound stupid but I can not let an issue like the 70CC or the 01S 25C go. Does not matter that the sets he owns will never be duplicated. Corrupting that set is like losing a battle to me.
Last: i am also angry he will not allow me to replace his RSL coach who got in trouble for blowing up, cussing, and what ever! I KNOW I can scream louder and better!!!
@specialist said:
bruce the dirty little secret in genes sets-the NGC coins in them were mostly crack outs. Gene was one of the few collectors who never cracked his coins. Many of them are now PCGS CAC. I know this for a fact.
But it means that not all good coins are in your ideal plastic with a sticker. Plastic and stickers can change. Let's say I buy an overgraded NGC coin in a MS68 holder that downgrades to a PCGS MS67 or MS67+ with CAC. In many cases the grade below with a CAC sticker is worth the same price or more. Did I really lose by buying the coin and not the holder?
The MS 68 no bean is worth the same or LESS then the 67+ w/bean. Sadly, this probably cost Gene 10-15% in what he could have had. But god bless his soul, he was true to the coin itself.
Haven't u noticed its been the rage of crack out guys for the past few years to downgrade?
I just bought an 06S 50C that is an PCGS CAC MS68. It was a no bean NGC MS69.. The market demands more PCGS CAC in the elite grades most of the time-not all (as bruces 1883 TD proves out).
It's a shame that this thread keeps getting derailed by a certain few people who aren't enjoying the Hansen collection grow. We get it. You don't agree with his methods. Can you stop and let everyone else enjoy?
@Currin said:
Good discussions, but any thoughts on the new addition, 1856-O $5 AU58. I looked at one of the MS61s, and it was a real dog.
Agreed...there are probably only 4 to 5 properly graded AU58 1856-Os and this is one of them...the three PCGS MS coins (a 60 and 2 61s) are not significantly nicer if at all...a very tough date...nice pick up...
This is a most spectacular thread even with its warts. I hope to see it continue.
There is exceptional input from some of the pre-eminent collectors and dealers of today on what is truly a legendary accomplishment by this one collector, a dream for any of us little fish.
A little further background on this coin...
I bought it in the Stack's sale in 2010...
David Hall called us the next week and said that he wanted to make the coin the first "+" graded coin ever. So, they made it a 68+ (it was his favorite Barber quarter if memory serves and he graded it MS68+ all day long). So, it was marketed as PCGS's new idea to "+" grade. And we got the coin back at the Dallas Mid-Winter ANA show and sold it shortly thereafter to a dealer (it was CAC'd as well).
The collector that bought it from the dealer recently had it for sale and knowing the coin, I wanted it back as it belonged with DLH's Barber Quarter set...I know Laura disagrees, but I think that it's the best 1901-S in existence...we could have a contest at the ANA show to let collectors determine their favorite if she'd like to bring hers?
We plan on having it on display with some other coins from the Hansen Collection at the ANA show...
More details on this coin's history, and on some of the other top 1901-S quarters can be found in Greg Reynolds' excellent 2010 article: http://www.coinlinks.com/News/us-coins/highest-certified-1901-s-barber-quarter-breaks-coin-auction-records-and-becomes-the-star-of-a-coin-convention/
Greg (@Analyst) explains that it was originally toned, then dipped in 1989/1990 to blast white, and was in an NGC MS-68 slab for many years, where it acquired its present peripheral toning.
This is the dipping to blast white that Gene Gardner recalled in the video which @specialist linked.
Greg also confirmed what John Brush posted above, that it was CAC approved in a PCGS MS-68 slab, prior to it being placed in the PCGS MS-68+ slab (CAC does not confirm plus grades).
Greg's article is not a direct comparison of the two current MS-67+ 1901-S quarters with the MS-68+.
While the discussion of what is the very best 1901-S is of very high interest to those of have seen them all (and to readers),
it is not necessarily a critique of the acquisition of the MS-68+ for the D.L. Hansen set.
If the MS-67+ coins were not available, or were available but were not fairly priced, or were seen and judged not superior to the MS-68+, then the MS-68+ acquisition still meets the stated goals of the set.
@tradedollarnut said:
I do really wish he would stick to CAC in the Seated series. The upgrade coin has definitely failed CAC. It was in the Phil Flannigan/Wong sale in the early 2000s as a 63 and was upgraded to 64 maybe 4-5 years ago.
Yosclimber - when you spoke about the 1901 S quarters you forgot to mention an important
fact : Before the present MS 68+ was dipped it was an Ms 66
After it was dipped, NGC graded the coin MS 68 and PCGS would not cross it
Both of the present MS 67+ coins were always MS 67 PCGS coins
The auction for Eliasberg 1913 Nickel is now open. The bid stands at $220K presently. I hope Hansen aggressively seeks this opportunity. Not often is a coin of this significance becomes available. What are the thoughts on this auction? Are others seeking this coin at this time? With just 25 days to go, this should get interesting. Anyone think they have a good idea on what this one will sell at?
The Eliasberg/Dr. Morton-Smith Specimen
This is the finest 1913 Liberty Head nickel, graded Proof-66 by PCGS and awarded CAC approval. This is the specimen now offered at auction.
It seems to have been struck from Proof dies, but on an ordinary planchet. This example was selected by St. Louis numismatist and historian Eric P. Newman in 1942 as the one to keep from the group of five he purchased from the Col. Green estate. This and the Olsen coin, considered second finest, were the first two purchased by Newman, soon followed by the other three. Numismatic Gallery acquired this coin from Newman in 1948, and on December 14 of that year, Abe Kosoff, partner in the firm, offered it to Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. The sale took place in early 1949.
This coin remained with Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr., then after his passing went to his son, Richard A., who in 1996 consigned it to Auctions by Bowers and Merena. It sold for $1,485,000, the first coin ever to cross the million-dollar barrier, a sensation. The buyer was Jay Parrino, who had made a splash by handling other rarities under his trade style, The Mint.
On July 29, 2003, a special reception was hosted by Steve Geppi and John Snyder of Diamond International Galleries, in their elegant facilities in Timonium, Maryland. This coin, by that time owned by Dwight Manley, had just been sold to Edward C. Lee, and this latest transaction was the subject of a special ceremony. Lee held it for nearly two years, then in June 2005 announced that title had been transferred to Legend Numismatics (co-owned by Laura Sperber), who earlier owned specimen no. 4. The coin went to Bruce Morelan and then to Ron Gillio. From Ron Gillio it was purchased by Dr. William Morton-Smith, who added it to his family's collection of rarities.
Pedigree: Samuel W. Brown and/or Stephen K. Nagy (1913-1920s); Stephen K. Nagy, likely on consignment for a time in 1923-1924 to August Wagner (early 1920s-1924); Wayte Raymond (1924); Col. E.H.R. Green (1924-1936), Green estate (1936-1941); Eric P. Newman (1941-1948); Abe Kosoff and Abner Kreisberg trading as the Numismatic Gallery (1948-1949); Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. (1949-1976); Eliasberg estate to his son Richard A. Eliasberg (1976-1996); Bowers and Merena's sale of the Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection, May 1996; Jay Parrino (1996-2001); Dwight Manley for the California Gold Marketing Group (2001-2003); Edward C. Lee (2003-2005); Bruce Morelan, Laura Sperber, and George Huang (Legend Numismatics) (2005-2007); Dr. William Morton-Smith (via Ron Gillio) (2007-2018). Million Dollar Nickels No. 3.
I can say this-having bought more million dollar coins than anyone, everyone talks before sale. There will not be a ton of people on the 13 Nickel. I have owned this coin before. I know the demand for it. I believe there is one person out there who if he decides he wants it-will blow everyone out of the water (and its none of my people).
Wow...to me your version is just stupid not funny...Laura's simple description evoked the feeling that I got when I first started collecting old gold...and I took a look at the Findlay Ridge D type set...that set oozes the passion and love that the owner has for Dahlonega...after looking at his coins...I look at my 38-D in VF35 or whatever and want to throw it in the garbage LOL....
Is there a reserve? If not, it could go cheap unless Laura's buyer "wants it". Sure the coin is great but the market seems
quite thin for a coin like this. What is the over/under on the sale price?
ilkie, delloy does run out of money. he has to wait to sell a building from time to time. I have heard that before directly from him. Plus the man owns a soccer team which I m sure costs him a lot of money. Its one thing to have $1-2.5 million available, but its another to have $4-$6 million. I doubt he just wrote a check for the 1804-I'd bet he took some terms, which there is nothing wrong with. Look at the 1804 $1 he paid the low $2's while bruces coin brought for almost $4 million. sure was a money saver. his main goal is to finish his set, he needs that 54S $5 upcoming. 13 nickels come around-Me and Bruce have owned 2. The $2-3 million he might save will go a long way on other coins. so he waits for the lower grade 1913 that is around.
you'd be surprised how fast these guys can burn through cash. in this case you do not know reality.
@specialist said:
ilkie, delloy does run out of money. he has to wait to sell a building from time to time. I have heard that before directly from him. Plus the man owns a soccer team which I m sure costs him a lot of money. Its one thing to have $1-2.5 million available, but its another to have $4-$6 million. I doubt he just wrote a check for the 1804-I'd bet he took some terms, which there is nothing wrong with. Look at the 1804 $1 he paid the low $2's while bruces coin brought for almost $4 million. sure was a money saver. his main goal is to finish his set, he needs that 54S $5 upcoming. 13 nickels come around-Me and Bruce have owned 2. The $2-3 million he might save will go a long way on other coins. so he waits for the lower grade 1913 that is around.
you'd be surprised how fast these guys can burn through cash. in this case you do not know reality.
The soccer team could have recycled jerseys and ride in coach on a train... Coins come first.
Scraping the barrel to buy coins is puzzling to me. For someone that have ran out of money and is focusing on a goal to only complete the set, I really don't understand why he has spent so much money in the past six months buying up top registry sets and upgrading some really nice coins. I don't know how much all his number 2 sets and duplicates are worth, but I would guess that he could buy all the available 1913s nickels if he sold them. I just find his strategy puzzling if he don't have funds to capitalize on this opportunity. I also agree with TDN, he need to go for the best available for the Top 10 coins.
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I had never viewed that. Was well worth watching
I think it's hilarious and endearing that specialist is obviously a cat lover
Actually, not
Nice video, thanks for posting it. I,did not realize the 68 is white, Wait, it’s not,white. I jut looked. .
Does,not matter. I,beleive,I,own the. 1850. seated half that Gene states. is,one of his three
Favorite, coins.
Because of,these posts I,will display the 1850 and my 1901 s at ANA
At the table, of Witter coin. I might also bring a quarter. 1891 O in 67. I think it was Gene’s as an NGC 68.
It is now pcgs / cac. 67 and there are no 66,s. Rare and neat,coin.
Btw I,sold DLH last year one of my favorite, coins. Why? Because he is building the top
Quarter set and it belongs in it, 1864. ms 68. In a rattler holder. Amazing coin! There are only two motto 68’s in the entire series.
It's sad that he passed away. He seemed quite young and vibrant in that video.
Was that a Bloomberg terminal on his desk behind him?
Being a collector in Barber quarters, and having a gem set, I wouldn't dare choose between your 01s and the DeLoy's!
Specialist, owernship adds 2.5 points in this scenario. The 68+ is worth the extra $100G strictly for plastic, which I think is ludicrous. Yours may as well be equal to D.L.'s 68+. Yours is the best COLOR 01s quarter out there and certainly has a lot more going for it than "just" plastic.
perfecto, you have impressed me today. that 1850 is a monster. You too suffer from buying the plastic syndrome. My whole point is yes, so what you have a finest graded PCGS CAC coin/ It may not be a legit FINEST graded due to eye appeal and other factors
My real beef w/the world right now are calling sets #1 when they are just plastic. Sure, I'm spouting off-but I will put ANY #1 all time set I built vs ANY -and I mean ANYthing else. In a true #1 set it should be 1st coin: wow, second coin: oh wow, third coin on: yours eyes pop out and your head explodes. This is the main reason why I loathe the registry concept. Notice Bruce never owned the 70CC MS64. Why? It was cleaned. A true #1 set-which delloy has does not need that coin. I am angry he put that in one of my masterpieces. I dunno how great it really is to be Eliasberg II. At least w/Simpson and now Black Cat they get it. ONLY the VERY best quality and eye appeal-even if they had to fill holes we'd take a point less.
And yes, RIP Gene-how can PCGS not call him one of the greatest collectors ever?
Something to consider. The set you helped TD build (?) is no longer yours. Why get upset.
Registry sets are BS in my opinion also. They sell plastic, yet I guess they do serve a purpose: bragging rights and Mo money for the auction companies and TPGS as collectors chase coins.
You may have one of the best "eyes" in the business but others may disagree with your opinion. The devil wants me to turn this into a CAC thread so we can all be entertained for the rest of the weekend but I will resist.
I've been called to dinner.
That video was cool. Why not like the fact that some guy with money to burn is buying tons of coins? That seems good for everyone?
Agreed!
Gardner got it
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Laura - Gene bought NGC and non CAC.
Something to consider. The set you helped TD build (?) is no longer yours. Why get upset.
If you’d worked as hard as we did to build that thing (and yes, Laura sweats it right along with the collector) then you’d have protective feelings, too.
Yes, the coin had been gently cleaned at one point. No sticker. Still, it’s the 2nd or 3rd best example (and the finest graded example) in existence. Until the James A Stack piece resurfaces...or my old holder 63 comes back, it’s an ok piece.
My advice, however, is don’t be penny wise and pound foolish. Seek out and spend the money on the coins that have historically been wow coins. See just about anything in the Stellar Collection as an example
I think it is good for everyone in the hobby. How many dealers, both big and small, have benefited from his quest? He isn't just helping the gold guys. He's helping the copper guys, the modern guys, the old silver guys, PCGS, CAC, and all kinds of dealers and collectors. His journey is already well known in the numismatic community. If/when he completes his set, I imagine there will be even more publicity for numismatics.
I know I've sold him a few coins, and I was excited to see that coins I made were going to be part of this amazing set. I was probably more excited about being part of it than making the sales.
Millions of dollars being pumped into the hobby has to be a good thing, no? Though I could see it being infuriating if you were going after the same coins.
Even you're having fun with her now...
bruce the dirty little secret in genes sets-the NGC coins in them were mostly crack outs. Gene was one of the few collectors who never cracked his coins. Many of them are now PCGS CAC. I know this for a fact.
Delloy does have some amazing sets (like his MS $20 Libs) and coins. But he has to stop just filling holes or upgrading just for the plastic. To be a world class best ever collector-then ONLY buy the best. Do not put fillers in-no matter how cheap. I have no shame admitting this burns me up. And when someone messes up a set I built-obviously it angers me to no end. Bruce and I spent years building that set and bruce knew every single top MS seated that was out there. We have coins in it that should not even exist. Then to add this coin which we passed on several times? I can't stand the new breed today simply wants the rankings.
I was talking about the MS Seated set and the 70CC. The TD set fortunately is with Black Cat and he totally gets it about quality.
Yes, Delloy is the flavor of the numismatic world right now because he is showering money all over. It may sound stupid but I can not let an issue like the 70CC or the 01S 25C go. Does not matter that the sets he owns will never be duplicated. Corrupting that set is like losing a battle to me.
Last: i am also angry he will not allow me to replace his RSL coach who got in trouble for blowing up, cussing, and what ever! I KNOW I can scream louder and better!!!
But it means that not all good coins are in your ideal plastic with a sticker. Plastic and stickers can change. Let's say I buy an overgraded NGC coin in a MS68 holder that downgrades to a PCGS MS67 or MS67+ with CAC. In many cases the grade below with a CAC sticker is worth the same price or more. Did I really lose by buying the coin and not the holder?
The MS 68 no bean is worth the same or LESS then the 67+ w/bean. Sadly, this probably cost Gene 10-15% in what he could have had. But god bless his soul, he was true to the coin itself.
Haven't u noticed its been the rage of crack out guys for the past few years to downgrade?
I just bought an 06S 50C that is an PCGS CAC MS68. It was a no bean NGC MS69.. The market demands more PCGS CAC in the elite grades most of the time-not all (as bruces 1883 TD proves out).
Good discussions, but any thoughts on the new addition, 1856-O $5 AU58. I looked at one of the MS61s, and it was a real dog.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
OMG will this thread end up n the PCGS HOF too a the greatest ever to really make my single brain cells explode even more.
Yes it's a great thread w/o the constant bragging up CAC to where were all CAC sick. This is supposed to be a Hansen watch thread.
Later, Paul.
It's a shame that this thread keeps getting derailed by a certain few people who aren't enjoying the Hansen collection grow. We get it. You don't agree with his methods. Can you stop and let everyone else enjoy?
Agreed...there are probably only 4 to 5 properly graded AU58 1856-Os and this is one of them...the three PCGS MS coins (a 60 and 2 61s) are not significantly nicer if at all...a very tough date...nice pick up...
This is a most spectacular thread even with its warts. I hope to see it continue.
There is exceptional input from some of the pre-eminent collectors and dealers of today on what is truly a legendary accomplishment by this one collector, a dream for any of us little fish.
Well, can we settle on just "hilarious" then?
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Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
there are pros and cons to this set. simple as that.
15k views. Thanks everyone for watching.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
More details on this coin's history, and on some of the other top 1901-S quarters can be found in Greg Reynolds' excellent 2010 article:
http://www.coinlinks.com/News/us-coins/highest-certified-1901-s-barber-quarter-breaks-coin-auction-records-and-becomes-the-star-of-a-coin-convention/
Greg (@Analyst) explains that it was originally toned, then dipped in 1989/1990 to blast white, and was in an NGC MS-68 slab for many years, where it acquired its present peripheral toning.
This is the dipping to blast white that Gene Gardner recalled in the video which @specialist linked.
Greg also confirmed what John Brush posted above, that it was CAC approved in a PCGS MS-68 slab, prior to it being placed in the PCGS MS-68+ slab (CAC does not confirm plus grades).
Greg's article is not a direct comparison of the two current MS-67+ 1901-S quarters with the MS-68+.
While the discussion of what is the very best 1901-S is of very high interest to those of have seen them all (and to readers),
it is not necessarily a critique of the acquisition of the MS-68+ for the D.L. Hansen set.
If the MS-67+ coins were not available, or were available but were not fairly priced, or were seen and judged not superior to the MS-68+, then the MS-68+ acquisition still meets the stated goals of the set.
Um, yep.
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Yosclimber - when you spoke about the 1901 S quarters you forgot to mention an important
fact : Before the present MS 68+ was dipped it was an Ms 66
After it was dipped, NGC graded the coin MS 68 and PCGS would not cross it
Both of the present MS 67+ coins were always MS 67 PCGS coins
Stalk ya later!
9 posts and every single one cutting me or my coins down. F off
If they dip the 1901-S one more time, do you think they can squeze a 69 out of her?
1913 Liberty Head Nickel. Proof-66 (PCGS). CAC
The auction for Eliasberg 1913 Nickel is now open. The bid stands at $220K presently. I hope Hansen aggressively seeks this opportunity. Not often is a coin of this significance becomes available. What are the thoughts on this auction? Are others seeking this coin at this time? With just 25 days to go, this should get interesting. Anyone think they have a good idea on what this one will sell at?
The Eliasberg/Dr. Morton-Smith Specimen
This is the finest 1913 Liberty Head nickel, graded Proof-66 by PCGS and awarded CAC approval. This is the specimen now offered at auction.
It seems to have been struck from Proof dies, but on an ordinary planchet. This example was selected by St. Louis numismatist and historian Eric P. Newman in 1942 as the one to keep from the group of five he purchased from the Col. Green estate. This and the Olsen coin, considered second finest, were the first two purchased by Newman, soon followed by the other three. Numismatic Gallery acquired this coin from Newman in 1948, and on December 14 of that year, Abe Kosoff, partner in the firm, offered it to Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. The sale took place in early 1949.
This coin remained with Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr., then after his passing went to his son, Richard A., who in 1996 consigned it to Auctions by Bowers and Merena. It sold for $1,485,000, the first coin ever to cross the million-dollar barrier, a sensation. The buyer was Jay Parrino, who had made a splash by handling other rarities under his trade style, The Mint.
On July 29, 2003, a special reception was hosted by Steve Geppi and John Snyder of Diamond International Galleries, in their elegant facilities in Timonium, Maryland. This coin, by that time owned by Dwight Manley, had just been sold to Edward C. Lee, and this latest transaction was the subject of a special ceremony. Lee held it for nearly two years, then in June 2005 announced that title had been transferred to Legend Numismatics (co-owned by Laura Sperber), who earlier owned specimen no. 4. The coin went to Bruce Morelan and then to Ron Gillio. From Ron Gillio it was purchased by Dr. William Morton-Smith, who added it to his family's collection of rarities.
Pedigree: Samuel W. Brown and/or Stephen K. Nagy (1913-1920s); Stephen K. Nagy, likely on consignment for a time in 1923-1924 to August Wagner (early 1920s-1924); Wayte Raymond (1924); Col. E.H.R. Green (1924-1936), Green estate (1936-1941); Eric P. Newman (1941-1948); Abe Kosoff and Abner Kreisberg trading as the Numismatic Gallery (1948-1949); Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. (1949-1976); Eliasberg estate to his son Richard A. Eliasberg (1976-1996); Bowers and Merena's sale of the Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection, May 1996; Jay Parrino (1996-2001); Dwight Manley for the California Gold Marketing Group (2001-2003); Edward C. Lee (2003-2005); Bruce Morelan, Laura Sperber, and George Huang (Legend Numismatics) (2005-2007); Dr. William Morton-Smith (via Ron Gillio) (2007-2018). Million Dollar Nickels No. 3.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I hope to be there.
In a true #1 set it should be 1st coin: wow, second coin: oh wow, third coin on: yours eyes pop out and your head explodes.
I love this.
It's a great statement, but really surprised it didn't go like this...
"In a true #1 CAC set, it should be 1st coin CAC: wow, second coin CAC: oh wow, third coin CAC on: yours eyes CAC out and your CAC explodes.
J/K of course...
Later, Paul.
I don’t think anybody should wonder wether D.L. will go for the 13 V Nickel, or not. Without a doubt, he will.
But
I know a couple people who will be bidding aggressively.
Regardless, it’ll definitely be a “bring your popcorn” kinda auction.
I can say this-having bought more million dollar coins than anyone, everyone talks before sale. There will not be a ton of people on the 13 Nickel. I have owned this coin before. I know the demand for it. I believe there is one person out there who if he decides he wants it-will blow everyone out of the water (and its none of my people).
The most obvious coin Delloy will buy-the 54S $5.
Wow...to me your version is just stupid not funny...Laura's simple description evoked the feeling that I got when I first started collecting old gold...and I took a look at the Findlay Ridge D type set...that set oozes the passion and love that the owner has for Dahlonega...after looking at his coins...I look at my 38-D in VF35 or whatever and want to throw it in the garbage LOL....
The 1913 V nickel comes up Wednesday
Night
The 1854 S $5 comes up Thursday night
Is there a reserve? If not, it could go cheap unless Laura's buyer "wants it". Sure the coin is great but the market seems
quite thin for a coin like this. What is the over/under on the sale price?
The egos and manipulations are head spinning! I'd put the O/U at $6M on the nickel. Although, I'd be shocked if it was under...
What’s that matter? Delloy won’t run out of money if he buys the 13V nickel. There may as well be a 1933 $20 THursday night, still won’t matter.
ilkie, delloy does run out of money. he has to wait to sell a building from time to time. I have heard that before directly from him. Plus the man owns a soccer team which I m sure costs him a lot of money. Its one thing to have $1-2.5 million available, but its another to have $4-$6 million. I doubt he just wrote a check for the 1804-I'd bet he took some terms, which there is nothing wrong with. Look at the 1804 $1 he paid the low $2's while bruces coin brought for almost $4 million. sure was a money saver. his main goal is to finish his set, he needs that 54S $5 upcoming. 13 nickels come around-Me and Bruce have owned 2. The $2-3 million he might save will go a long way on other coins. so he waits for the lower grade 1913 that is around.
you'd be surprised how fast these guys can burn through cash. in this case you do not know reality.
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But it has a sticker...
The soccer team could have recycled jerseys and ride in coach on a train... Coins come first.
Scraping the barrel to buy coins is puzzling to me. For someone that have ran out of money and is focusing on a goal to only complete the set, I really don't understand why he has spent so much money in the past six months buying up top registry sets and upgrading some really nice coins. I don't know how much all his number 2 sets and duplicates are worth, but I would guess that he could buy all the available 1913s nickels if he sold them. I just find his strategy puzzling if he don't have funds to capitalize on this opportunity. I also agree with TDN, he need to go for the best available for the Top 10 coins.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004