@dbldie55 said:
I notice he has an 1864 $2.5 in the 1792-date set, but it has not been put in the 1792-1964 set.
Thanks for mentioning that! I've fixed it...
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@Gazes said:
this is a question for John Brush---the Hansen collection has a huge amount of amazing proof gold. Many of these coins show no auction records for 10-20 years. Did Hansen buy a few large proof gold collections or has he picked them off one or two at a time? These trade so infrequently it is amazing that he has put together what he has.
Much like the Johnny Cash song..."One Piece at a Time..."
There aren't really any significant proof gold collections that are for sale, so as pieces come available, it allows us to add a coin here and a coin there...
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The registry is wonderful but to a point. It was enjoyable building sets for many years. However, in hindsight I would do things differently. Although I have lots of coins, building as many sets as I did severely limited me. I could not buy
many non set coins due to the expense of building the sets. DLH does not have that problem! ☺
I have sold a handful of sets to DLH and also many duplicates to other people. This has allowed me to buy any type of coin I desire. Sure, I still try to upgrade my remaining sets somewhat. The coin has to have top eye appeal which makes it very difficult. I will NOT buy for the grade. That is a mistake. Listen to the "specialist". We live and learn. I would have built only a few sets. Instead I now purchase coins of any series that have top eye appeal with a focus on gold.
Eye appeal to me is key. I have coins as low as 500.00 that are stunning. Sets also restrict a person from selling. Now I can sell any coin I want (except set coins) if I want to hopefully make a profit and use the proceeds to buy more eye appealing coins. Price for beautiful coins should continue to rise. This is one reason why published prices are troublesome.
I do not agree that DLH having so many top sets hurts collecting. Again, listen to the specialist. Build a set of GEM
AU Bust halves with magnificent toning. Build a type set or a set of only one year. There are many challenges out there other than top sets.
Onto the Hansen MS Barbers. I sold DLH my all CAC set. He took his upgrades and made the top set. If you read my past posts you know I am a CAC fan and believe the majority of non CAC coins are over graded by a half to a full point.
Of course there are many who disagree, and yes CAC is not perfect. However when they do not pass a coin there is something about it they do not care for. Therefore I do not need it. There are plenty of other coins to buy.
I do not believe there are ANY top 1-2 sets that are ALL CAC. It is hard to know if the DLH set is truly number one.
I believe it IS because Duckor had 21 coins that were not CAC. Perhaps CAC did not see them? Also DLH did add some
amazing coins that are CAC to the set. So kudos to him! Nice work. Amazing set.
Regarding rarity: The entire registry is old, outdated and simply wrong. I tried to offer advice on how to fix it but was told that it would never happen.
When I sold DLH my Barber set there were 17 Pop 1 coins with none finer. These are all rarer than the iconic 1904-S that has a pop of 3 in 67. However the 1904 scores much more. That is simply wrong. Sure, overall the 1904 is probably the rarest date of the series but not in the highest grade. I suggested to BJ and Cosetta that many coins need to have more than one score. This would be easy to do programmatically but Hall was not interested.
A 1904-S gets an 8 but that should not be the case in 67. Due to 30 years of pops, we can see that there are 17 coins
that are much rarer with a 67 Pop of one. I am not even accounting for CAC and over grading. PCGS has done a good job on top Pop Barber Halves, in that, over the last ten years they did not make too many top pops or ties.
Lastly and open for more discussion: What does DLH, Simpson and a handful of others having so many top coins do to the
rest of the coins? I say nothing. Rare and beautiful coins are still out there to be had. The prices have not moved up. Gold is strong but not that much. Everything that DLH buys, even the recent top Trade Dollars had under bidders!
Thoughts?
Perfection-yet again playing genius. You can BUILD ALL PCGS CAC sets. I do it.
I built Hedgies monster COMPLETE $2.5, $5, $10, and $20 Indian gold sets ALL PCGS MS64 and higher (many top pops). EVERY COIN IS PCGS CAC. He just bought the 09D Saint in PCGS MS67 CAC . We also just bought and exceedingly rare $10 1908D NO MOTTO PCGS MS65 CAC (pop 1 CAC). EVERY coin DOES have great eye appeal.
Here is a $15+ million collection NOT registered.
I have several other collections -including a collection that is now #1 in a silver series that is NOT registered yet and is ALL PCGS CAC. Each coin is to die for. It took less then 2 years to build it.
A note: I was sickened to my stomach when the 70CC MS64 NO CAC was added to our STD set.-especially when agreeing that would never happen. I do not want my name near that thing or the set any more. I do believe if a coin isn't up to snuff and its non CAC-do NOT add it to MONSTER ALL CAC set.
@Perfection said:
I suggested raising the fee times ten on many coins seeking upgrades. Don't choke.
This seems like it would only slow reconsiderations. Would it have any impact on crack outs? Seems like it would hurt collectors who use reconsideration more than dealers who crack out.
People can disagree but the majority of well off collectors buy mostly CAC coins.
CAC coins are nice but what great collections, aside from TDN’s, are mostly or all CAC? Pogue and Gardner weren’t.
Why do other dealers make disparaging remarks? Are you serious? And NO it is not about jealousy.
As far as me, I will put up ANY 100% Legend built set vs ANY ones sets anywhere anytime as far as real quality (except the late David Akers). We just built the sets, not clamored for glory. And then we didn't take the sets and add bad coins. Folks, this is FACT.
So long as he is not regarded as "the" greatest coin collector alive, I am out of his way. People do not realize Tyrannt has a much bigger collection that was built quietly over the years. Then there is that guy Simpson-who is not done at all and is slowly coming back. Last I heard he had amazing sets with every coin being insane. There are many other quiet names that have mega million dollar insane collections too.
The great thing about Hansen's collection is that it isn't quiet. It's the reason for this thread and why people can enjoy watching the progress of the collection.
Nothing wrong with being quiet, but don't expect people to talk about the collectors and collections as much. After all, avoiding publicity and attention are generally what collectors want when they are quiet.
@specialist said:
Perfection-yet again playing genius. You can BUILD ALL PCGS CAC sets. I do it.
I built Hedgies monster COMPLETE $2.5, $5, $10, and $20 Indian gold sets ALL PCGS MS64 and higher (many top pops). EVERY COIN IS PCGS CAC. He just bought the 09D Saint in PCGS MS67 CAC . We also just bought and exceedingly rare $10 1908D NO MOTTO PCGS MS65 CAC (pop 1 CAC). EVERY coin DOES have great eye appeal.
Here is a $15+ million collection NOT registered.
I have several other collections -including a collection that is now #1 in a silver series that is NOT registered yet and is ALL PCGS CAC. Each coin is to die for. It took less then 2 years to build it.
A note: I was sickened to my stomach when the 70CC MS64 NO CAC was added to our STD set.-especially when agreeing that would never happen. I do not want my name near that thing or the set any more. I do believe if a coin isn't up to snuff and its non CAC-do NOT add it to MONSTER ALL CAC set.
Specialist---the all pcgs cac quarter eagle Indian collection by hedgie---is that series all 65 or better or does it have any 64s in it ?
I think when you are trying to match or exceed Eliasberg with a complete collection that includes everything---you must have some compromises. What is impressive about Hansen's collection is those compromises seem to me to be far smaller than i would have thought would be necessary.
This is another series where The Hansen Collection has a strong presence. The collection has the ALL-Time Finest Set for Liberty Head $20 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1850-1907). There is no other real competition in this series. At least no one that has registered a set. You hear rumors and claims, but as of today, there is no competition. The Hansen specimen being replaced is not a bad coin. It was a MS62 with PCGS POP 6/2. The Liberty Double Eagles appear to be a set that Hansen really cares for with upgrades like this one.
The intriguing aspect that I want to bring to attention is purchase price of Hansen’s specimen compared to the purchase price of the other POP2/0. Interesting both specimens appeared in auctions only a few days apart. The Hansen specimen sold January 14th, 2019 in the Heritage FUN U.S. Coins Signature Auction in Orlando, FL. The Legend specimen sold January 27th in the Legend Regency Auction 30. The auctions were only 13 days apart. In addition, take a look at how close the Certification Numbers are #36829867 compared to #36847607. With this in consideration, 1- Sold very close in time, 2- Certified very close in time, 3- Certified by same TPG, 4- Sold by very prominent companies, but realized very different prices. The Legend specimen realized $47K while the Hansen specimen realized $120K. The only other difference is the Hansen specimen is CAC. Did someone get a deal? Or what?
I am not an expect grader, but to me the Legend coin has a much stronger strike. Agree or disagree? So, if you have knowledge with grading and evaluating gold double eagles, then tell me how a coin with a better strike, and the same technical grade from the best TPG, is valued at 40% of a coin with a softer strike. What is the difference? I have added both coins for you to view. There are other pictures on the auction sites if you need to enlarge. I am learning, so if you see something that I don’t, please post.
D. L. Hansen 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ CAC (realized $120,000) PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Certification #36829867 / POP 2/0
Small Squat S. It is no exaggeration to say this is one of the finest 1868-S twenty dollar gold pieces the most patient, well-resourced collector could ever obtain. The issue simply does not survive in better condition, except for a single MS64 at NGC. We have not seen that coin, and it does not appear to have been made available for at least 25 years. This example enjoys full mint luster that cartwheels over the medium yellow-gold surfaces. Liberty and the eagle are well-detailed, while the stars lack definition. Abrasions are undeniably minor, especially in the fields, and are limited to two mentionable digs on the cheek that pose virtually no distraction. (Heritage 1/2019)
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. Legend 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ (realized $47,000) PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Serial #36847607 / POP 2/0
LRCA is proud to offer this marvelous fully CHOICE Mint State 1868-S double eagle. Tied for FINEST graded at PCGS, there is just a single MS64 graded finer at NGC that has never sold in auction. David Akers noted that overall, the rarity of the 68-S is similar to other S-mint dates of the era, and usually only available in XF grades, RARE in AU, although since Akers' volumes were written, there were still untapped sources in Europe and elsewhere. Regardless this date is of the utmost rarity in Mint State, PCGS CoinFacts estimates perhaps 20 Mint State survivors are extant. A full, vibrant, strong, golden luster blooms dramatically on both sides. Well struck devices are frosty and bold, contrasting against the stunning satin lustrous look. Some minor contact marks are noted on both sides using a strong glass, but none are distracting, or have a serious impact on the SUPERB eye appeal. PCGS 2, NGC 1. Two non-"+" MS62s sold for $43,200 earlier this in 2018, including the one that was in the A.J. Vanderbilt Collection. This coin is worthy of inclusion in the FINEST $20 Lib set, and will likely see bidding surpass the $50,000 Collector's Universe value.(LRCA 1/2019)
I am still a bit confused by a simple point I made way back when upon first hearing of the Hansen pursuit of Eliasberg. And that is...
How can one say they obtained a collection equal to, or even more complete, than Eliasberg, when large chunks of the Eliasberg collection are not even included in the required coins for the registry set pursuit? Such as patterns, United States Philippine Coins, etc? Who, for example, decided patterns shouldn’t count? What am I missing here?
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@wondercoin said:
I am still a bit confused by a simple point I made way back when upon first hearing of the Hansen pursuit of Eliasberg. And that is...
How can one say they obtained a collection equal to, or even more complete, than Eliasberg, when large chunks of the Eliasberg collection are not even included in the required coins for the registry set pursuit? Such as patterns, United States Philippine Coins, etc? Who, for example, decided patterns shouldn’t count? What am I missing here?
Wondercoin.
From the outside looking in, I would assume this is because the most common description of Eliasberg is as the only individual to complete a set of all regular-issue United States coins comprising all then-known dates and mintmarks. To me it seems most collectors characterize the "Eliaserg Quest" by this ever-changing metric, rather than trying to emulate his exact holdings.
oooh, I hope patterns count, I know someone who has by the worlds BEST pattern collection ever-including most gold patterns and the Amazonian set! I can say for sure, the really rare patterns in the Simpson set (and all his gold) will never ever be sold-those are by far his favs. Included are the #1 PCGS set of Stellas (I love those).
Will the Eliasberg quest be ended now? Will Simpson be acknowledged again by the collecting world as being great? Can I become happy? I am getting dizzy just thinking about all this.
Even if Delloy can't have patterns and falls short, it was one hell of an effort and he did build a big collection.
The standard by which Hansen is building his collection is PCGS grading. While I hear those who want to diminish his accomplishment due to lack of CAC certification on his coins, I would suggest that the Registry is based solely on PCGS certification. While CAC does provide an incremental evaluation of PCGS and NGC graded coins, CAC does not go so far as to be another TPG and assign their own grading standard.
@perfection and @specialist have a stated preference for CAC coins, and they both bemoan the significance of non-CAC coins in a registry set. I will remind them that the PCGS registry sets are all based upon a common grading standard by PCGS. There is no competitive differentiation made if the coin is CAC. Perhaps CAC should create their own registry for CAC approved coins so that collectors who would like to compete on a higher standard are not subject to PCGS discrimination.
Pooh Poohing Hansen for what he is accomplishing seems to me to be a sour grapes opinion.
My observation is not about trying to match “exact holdings” by any means. My observation is that Eliasberg had wonderful (and quite valuable) Unites States coin collections that are being entirely ignored in a discussion regarding whether someone else is deservingly matching his accomplishments. Hence, the matching, or exceeding, may become a “convenient truth”, but my observation still remains. And, nothing negative here intended against the fabulous Hansen collection. I’m finished- I make the observation here about once a year and move on.
Just my 2 cents.
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This is another series where The Hansen Collection has a strong presence. The collection has the ALL-Time Finest Set for Liberty Head $20 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1850-1907). There is no other real competition in this series. At least no one that has registered a set. You hear rumors and claims, but as of today, there is no competition. The Hansen specimen being replaced is not a bad coin. It was a MS62 with PCGS POP 6/2. The Liberty Double Eagles appear to be a set that Hansen really cares for with upgrades like this one.
The intriguing aspect that I want to bring to attention is purchase price of Hansen’s specimen compared to the purchase price of the other POP2/0. Interesting both specimens appeared in auctions only a few days apart. The Hansen specimen sold January 14th, 2019 in the Heritage FUN U.S. Coins Signature Auction in Orlando, FL. The Legend specimen sold January 27th in the Legend Regency Auction 30. The auctions were only 13 days apart. In addition, take a look at how close the Certification Numbers are #36829867 compared to #36847607. With this in consideration, 1- Sold very close in time, 2- Certified very close in time, 3- Certified by same TPG, 4- Sold by very prominent companies, but realized very different prices. The Legend specimen realized $47K while the Hansen specimen realized $120K. The only other difference is the Hansen specimen is CAC. Did someone get a deal? Or what?
I am not an expect grader, but to me the Legend coin has a much stronger strike. Agree or disagree? So, if you have knowledge with grading and evaluating gold double eagles, then tell me how a coin with a better strike, and the same technical grade from the best TPG, is valued at 40% of a coin with a softer strike. What is the difference? I have added both coins for you to view. There are other pictures on the auction sites if you need to enlarge. I am learning, so if you see something that I don’t, please post.
D. L. Hansen 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ CAC (realized $120,000) PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Certification #36829867 / POP 2/0
Small Squat S. It is no exaggeration to say this is one of the finest 1868-S twenty dollar gold pieces the most patient, well-resourced collector could ever obtain. The issue simply does not survive in better condition, except for a single MS64 at NGC. We have not seen that coin, and it does not appear to have been made available for at least 25 years. This example enjoys full mint luster that cartwheels over the medium yellow-gold surfaces. Liberty and the eagle are well-detailed, while the stars lack definition. Abrasions are undeniably minor, especially in the fields, and are limited to two mentionable digs on the cheek that pose virtually no distraction. (Heritage 1/2019)
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. Legend 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ (realized $47,000) PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Serial #36847607 / POP 2/0
LRCA is proud to offer this marvelous fully CHOICE Mint State 1868-S double eagle. Tied for FINEST graded at PCGS, there is just a single MS64 graded finer at NGC that has never sold in auction. David Akers noted that overall, the rarity of the 68-S is similar to other S-mint dates of the era, and usually only available in XF grades, RARE in AU, although since Akers' volumes were written, there were still untapped sources in Europe and elsewhere. Regardless this date is of the utmost rarity in Mint State, PCGS CoinFacts estimates perhaps 20 Mint State survivors are extant. A full, vibrant, strong, golden luster blooms dramatically on both sides. Well struck devices are frosty and bold, contrasting against the stunning satin lustrous look. Some minor contact marks are noted on both sides using a strong glass, but none are distracting, or have a serious impact on the SUPERB eye appeal. PCGS 2, NGC 1. Two non-"+" MS62s sold for $43,200 earlier this in 2018, including the one that was in the A.J. Vanderbilt Collection. This coin is worthy of inclusion in the FINEST $20 Lib set, and will likely see bidding surpass the $50,000 Collector's Universe value.(LRCA 1/2019)
Currin---you asked about the difference between the two top 1868-S 62+ that would create such a huge price difference. I am not a double eagle expert but here is my guess. People will always pay far more for the best. We see it all over the place----a coin 10X the price in 65 then 64 because it is the sole best. I won't call that irrational because it is human nature to want the best and the market seems to normally reward that practice. In this case, there are two coins graded at 62+ and 6 at 62 by PCGS. CAC has stickered two coins at 62 (includes 62+). We know only the one 62+ is stickered and so some will consider it to be the best. I think that is the primary reason for the price difference. Further, one may assume that the Legend coin was sent to CAC (I do not know this for a fact but why would they not and leave money on the table?) and if so then there was something about that coin that JA felt did not make it solid for the grade but he did feel that way about the Hansen coin. Again, this helps explain the difference in price. Whether or not the difference in price makes one or the other a good buy--I don't know. However, I think the reasons I posted at least explain the difference.
There is a world of difference, to me, in the eye appeal between the two double eagles. Yes, there is a strike difference, but surfaces appear to be quite different. I like the Hansen coin better.
@Perfection said:
CAC lets say is 90% consistent. So PCGS is saying they are wrong on all these coins?
One day it will come out what higher ups tell their graders.
Always bean before submitting for a +
It will get the grader's attention.
Mr. Perfection - I have many #1 and # 2 collections that are all PCGS and CAC
My Flying Eagle Collections
My Indian Cent Collections
My Flying Eagle and Indian Cent Pattern Collections
My several mint state Lincoln Cent Collections
My several Proof Lincoln Cent Collections
My both mint state Barber dime collections
My proof Barber dime collection
Please shut up with your advice saying PCGS should raise the price of coin grading
Presently it is costing me $300 a coin to get coins graded at a show plus 1% of the PCGS value
When I spend $150 a coin , I have been unsuccessful getting them returned at a show.
@STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
Mr. Perfection - I have many #1 and # 2 collections that are all PCGS and CAC
My Flying Eagle Collections
My Indian Cent Collections
My Flying Eagle and Indian Cent Pattern Collections
My several mint state Lincoln Cent Collections
My several Proof Lincoln Cent Collections
My both mint state Barber dime collections
My proof Barber dime collection
Please shut up with your advice saying PCGS should raise the price of coin grading
Presently it is costing me $300 a coin to get coins graded at a show plus 1% of the PCGS value
When I spend $150 a coin , I have been unsuccessful getting them returned at a show.
You may want to start your own thread in regards to your own collection and what it is costing you to have your coins graded and stickered.
This thread in regards to Mr. Hansen’s accomplishments is very impressive and a terrific read. Please keep it on topic if at all possible. Thank you.
@Currin said:
The intriguing aspect that I want to bring to attention is purchase price of Hansen’s specimen compared to the purchase price of the other POP2/0. Interesting both specimens appeared in auctions only a few days apart.
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What is the difference? I have added both coins for you to view. There are other pictures on the auction sites if you need to enlarge. I am learning, so if you see something that I don’t, please post. D. L. Hansen 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ CAC (realized $120,000) PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Certification #36829867 / POP 2/0
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Legend 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ (realized $47,000) PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Serial #36847607 / POP 2/0
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Going by the TrueView photos alone, to me the difference is eye appeal.
The Hansen coin appears much more eye appealing with much cleaner fields and cheek on the obverse. It looks more than twice as eye appealing from the photos to me.
While the Legend coin has a stronger strike, especially noticeable on the reverse, it's just not that pleasing to look at to me.
I like the Hansen coin better. It almost seems that the other one was graded up to a 62+ because of its strong strike while just having average 62ish fields and color, while Hansen's was net graded down to a 62+ because of the weak strike, particularly on the reverse. Without the weak strike, the color and clean fields suggest a higher grade than 62.
The DLH coln is CAC. obviously better. "strong for the grade".
The other was probably submitted many times.
Maybe it was an AU?
Back on point. What does most room to improve mean? On certain sets coins are
not available to upgrade. Ex: My PR Seated Dollar set. Very few beautiful, toned coins come
for sale. Most are grayish and ugly. DLH will have to buy this set!
@mvs7 said:
I like the Hansen coin better. It almost seems that the other one was graded up to a 62+ because of its strong strike while just having average 62ish fields and color, while Hansen's was net graded down to a 62+ because of the weak strike, particularly on the reverse. Without the weak strike, the color and clean fields suggest a higher grade than 62.
I doubt that strike had much to do with the apparently tough grade on the Hansen coin. Not that strike shouldn’t matter, but it pretty much doesn’t on a double eagle. The biggest issue was probably the steaks on the obverse, which may be planchet inclusions, and which would force a conservative grade. The other issue is the small punch mark below the eye, which is damage, not a bagmark. In other words, the Hansen coin was net graded.
The other piece is just a straightforward coin. No need to net grade.
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@Gazes said:
Currin----which set do you think Hansen has the most room to improve? thanks
That is not a hard question if you put a couple qualifiers with it. Which set of most significance has the most room for improvement. The answer to that question would be Early Coinage sets pretty much across the board. He has made some inroads lately, i.e. Half Dimes. He does not have to better Pogue in every set, but he does need to be competitive, very competitive. Presently, he is not. Many of the early sets he is not even competitive with Eliasberg.
You did not ask, but next one on the list would be late gold (Indians and StGs). Again, do not need the best sets in the registry, but he does need to make a lot of improvements.
Gazes, I think you understand his approach to building this vast collection. He is not chasing coins. He is building great sets in the collection as they become available according to his definition (individual coins to complete sets). He and JB have stated his definition of availability several times. I don’t think everyone understands what that means. For these two categories, it appear me the timing is not right, without chasing. Let’s see if he has patience to wait until the time is right.
PS.. Perfection, you have a beautiful set. Really beautiful. I hope one day the set will become available and meet Hansen’s definition of availability. Also, I would agree with TDN. The comment to Perfection, also apply to TDN.
I would like to give a reminder to keep things civil and respectful. From my understanding of this thread, the purpose is to recognize DLH for his collection and follow the progress of his quest.
Giving recognition to someone's achievements does not diminish the achievements of others.
I am not sure if this is the first Large Cent Update featured or not. If we have before, there have not been many. In Hansen's Large Cent collection, I believe this to be the third PCGS POP 1/0 specimen. The other two is a 1853 MS67RD and the spectacular 1802 MS67RB. So, they are scarce compared to other series. For the All-Times list, Hansen is presently in 5th place, behind three retired sets, and the current #1. PCGS Registry describes the set as: To many collectors this is "as good as it gets." The enthusiasm for the entire series of coins from the Chain cents of 1793 to the final Braided Hair issue of 1857 is legendary. These fascinating and historic coins have created a collecting passion among some of the most famous numismatists of all time. Chain, Wreath, Liberty Cap, Draped Bust, Classic Head, Coronet Head and Braided Hair. What a series! I hope there are a few Large Cent enthusiasts watching.
1835 N-8 Cent, MS66 Red and Brown - The Finest PCGS Certified 1835 Cent
Hansen’s new 1835 Large Cent “Head of 1836”, found in Red/Brown is a PCGS POP 1/0 for “ALL” 1835 Large Cents. The grade is a MS66RB. There are no MS65+RB and five MS65RB. This coin sold in Heritage January 2019 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando, Fla. The coin realized $15,600, with PCGS Coin Value of $20,000. It appears Hansen made out pretty well on this purchase. Also, the specimen is a CAC. The coin replaces a MS64RB PCGS grade in the collection. So, if you need one….
For a copper Large Cent, the coin is very appealing. It does have a very noticeable die crack. The auctioneer describe the coin as: An intermediate die state, the obverse has a prominent die crack from the border to the 1 and the bust, gradually diminishing until it reaches the ear, the coronet, and the hair just in front of the inner hair cord. There is no evidence of the crack above the head as exhibited on later die state examples. This impressive Premium Gem has essentially flawless, lustrous surfaces. The obverse has splashes of mint red on its light brown surface, while the reverse is nearly full red, showing splashes of pale brown toning. An extraordinary representative. Our EAC grade MS63. This is the finest 1835 large cent of any variety that PCGS has certified.
In comparing to Eliasberg’s specimen, his registry set describes his specimen as estimated graded AU58N, Ex. Geiss; Mehl Sale (1947). Sold by Bowers & Merena May '96 price realized $605.
1835 1C Head of 1836, MS66RB CAC PCGS Coin #1715 / PCGS Serial #81947415 / POP 1/0 PCGS Price Guide: $20,000
Ex: Unknown – Heritage FUN 1/2019 – Hansen Collection, $15,600
Perhaps it is not that easy to find "early coinage" that is good looking, graded properly and within a price range that
JB will approve?
Stewart, I KNOW you have amazing coins. How many of your CAC sets are number 1? That is usually very difficult for a few reasons. I could not catch Duckor as he had non CAC 67's where there were NO CAC examples that existed. Barbers are a competitive set. On sets like TDN MS Seated there is/was less competitors.
@jerseycat101 said:
I am very impressed by the job John B is doing for Hansen!
I am just curious to know what ways that you find JB impressive. Professionalism? Knowledge? Advice/guidance? Humble? Other? I think JB is doing a great job, and the prefect person for this historic mission. Just wondering if you see something in addition to what I see. I think what he is doing is very hard. Tracking and cataloging alone appear to me can be a nightmare. I hope he will continue, but I could see what at some point he could use a break.
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Thanks for mentioning that! I've fixed it...
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Much like the Johnny Cash song..."One Piece at a Time..."
There aren't really any significant proof gold collections that are for sale, so as pieces come available, it allows us to add a coin here and a coin there...
President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
email: John@davidlawrence.com
2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
He has a nice 1929 saint that isn't in his date set either.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/20-gold-major-sets/st-gaudens-20-gold-date-set-circulation-strikes-1907-1932/1026
My Saint Set
I hope you back the right pony next time!
I am very impressed by the job John B is doing for Hansen!
I gather this guy has a moderately decent coin collection.
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The registry is wonderful but to a point. It was enjoyable building sets for many years. However, in hindsight I would do things differently. Although I have lots of coins, building as many sets as I did severely limited me. I could not buy
many non set coins due to the expense of building the sets. DLH does not have that problem! ☺
I have sold a handful of sets to DLH and also many duplicates to other people. This has allowed me to buy any type of coin I desire. Sure, I still try to upgrade my remaining sets somewhat. The coin has to have top eye appeal which makes it very difficult. I will NOT buy for the grade. That is a mistake. Listen to the "specialist". We live and learn. I would have built only a few sets. Instead I now purchase coins of any series that have top eye appeal with a focus on gold.
Eye appeal to me is key. I have coins as low as 500.00 that are stunning. Sets also restrict a person from selling. Now I can sell any coin I want (except set coins) if I want to hopefully make a profit and use the proceeds to buy more eye appealing coins. Price for beautiful coins should continue to rise. This is one reason why published prices are troublesome.
I do not agree that DLH having so many top sets hurts collecting. Again, listen to the specialist. Build a set of GEM
AU Bust halves with magnificent toning. Build a type set or a set of only one year. There are many challenges out there other than top sets.
Onto the Hansen MS Barbers. I sold DLH my all CAC set. He took his upgrades and made the top set. If you read my past posts you know I am a CAC fan and believe the majority of non CAC coins are over graded by a half to a full point.
Of course there are many who disagree, and yes CAC is not perfect. However when they do not pass a coin there is something about it they do not care for. Therefore I do not need it. There are plenty of other coins to buy.
I do not believe there are ANY top 1-2 sets that are ALL CAC. It is hard to know if the DLH set is truly number one.
I believe it IS because Duckor had 21 coins that were not CAC. Perhaps CAC did not see them? Also DLH did add some
amazing coins that are CAC to the set. So kudos to him! Nice work. Amazing set.
Regarding rarity: The entire registry is old, outdated and simply wrong. I tried to offer advice on how to fix it but was told that it would never happen.
When I sold DLH my Barber set there were 17 Pop 1 coins with none finer. These are all rarer than the iconic 1904-S that has a pop of 3 in 67. However the 1904 scores much more. That is simply wrong. Sure, overall the 1904 is probably the rarest date of the series but not in the highest grade. I suggested to BJ and Cosetta that many coins need to have more than one score. This would be easy to do programmatically but Hall was not interested.
A 1904-S gets an 8 but that should not be the case in 67. Due to 30 years of pops, we can see that there are 17 coins
that are much rarer with a 67 Pop of one. I am not even accounting for CAC and over grading. PCGS has done a good job on top Pop Barber Halves, in that, over the last ten years they did not make too many top pops or ties.
Lastly and open for more discussion: What does DLH, Simpson and a handful of others having so many top coins do to the
rest of the coins? I say nothing. Rare and beautiful coins are still out there to be had. The prices have not moved up. Gold is strong but not that much. Everything that DLH buys, even the recent top Trade Dollars had under bidders!
Thoughts?
I do not believe there are ANY top 1-2 sets that are ALL CAC
My trade dollar set was all CAC. As was seated dollar set. It can be done
I have/had two top sets, all CAC.
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Wow. i.apologize. I did not know that.
it's very difficult for many,reasons.
Ed what were yours?
Perfection-yet again playing genius. You can BUILD ALL PCGS CAC sets. I do it.
I built Hedgies monster COMPLETE $2.5, $5, $10, and $20 Indian gold sets ALL PCGS MS64 and higher (many top pops). EVERY COIN IS PCGS CAC. He just bought the 09D Saint in PCGS MS67 CAC . We also just bought and exceedingly rare $10 1908D NO MOTTO PCGS MS65 CAC (pop 1 CAC). EVERY coin DOES have great eye appeal.
Here is a $15+ million collection NOT registered.
I have several other collections -including a collection that is now #1 in a silver series that is NOT registered yet and is ALL PCGS CAC. Each coin is to die for. It took less then 2 years to build it.
A note: I was sickened to my stomach when the 70CC MS64 NO CAC was added to our STD set.-especially when agreeing that would never happen. I do not want my name near that thing or the set any more. I do believe if a coin isn't up to snuff and its non CAC-do NOT add it to MONSTER ALL CAC set.
This seems like it would only slow reconsiderations. Would it have any impact on crack outs? Seems like it would hurt collectors who use reconsideration more than dealers who crack out.
CAC coins are nice but what great collections, aside from TDN’s, are mostly or all CAC? Pogue and Gardner weren’t.
Why do other dealers make disparaging remarks? Are you serious? And NO it is not about jealousy.
As far as me, I will put up ANY 100% Legend built set vs ANY ones sets anywhere anytime as far as real quality (except the late David Akers). We just built the sets, not clamored for glory. And then we didn't take the sets and add bad coins. Folks, this is FACT.
So long as he is not regarded as "the" greatest coin collector alive, I am out of his way. People do not realize Tyrannt has a much bigger collection that was built quietly over the years. Then there is that guy Simpson-who is not done at all and is slowly coming back. Last I heard he had amazing sets with every coin being insane. There are many other quiet names that have mega million dollar insane collections too.
The great thing about Hansen's collection is that it isn't quiet. It's the reason for this thread and why people can enjoy watching the progress of the collection.
Nothing wrong with being quiet, but don't expect people to talk about the collectors and collections as much. After all, avoiding publicity and attention are generally what collectors want when they are quiet.
washington rainbow-you live in a sheltered world sir. A very sheltered world.
And Perfecto-do you know this is a PCGS forum?
Specialist---the all pcgs cac quarter eagle Indian collection by hedgie---is that series all 65 or better or does it have any 64s in it ?
I think when you are trying to match or exceed Eliasberg with a complete collection that includes everything---you must have some compromises. What is impressive about Hansen's collection is those compromises seem to me to be far smaller than i would have thought would be necessary.
1868-S Double Eagle Upgrade
This is another series where The Hansen Collection has a strong presence. The collection has the ALL-Time Finest Set for Liberty Head $20 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1850-1907). There is no other real competition in this series. At least no one that has registered a set. You hear rumors and claims, but as of today, there is no competition. The Hansen specimen being replaced is not a bad coin. It was a MS62 with PCGS POP 6/2. The Liberty Double Eagles appear to be a set that Hansen really cares for with upgrades like this one.
The intriguing aspect that I want to bring to attention is purchase price of Hansen’s specimen compared to the purchase price of the other POP2/0. Interesting both specimens appeared in auctions only a few days apart. The Hansen specimen sold January 14th, 2019 in the Heritage FUN U.S. Coins Signature Auction in Orlando, FL. The Legend specimen sold January 27th in the Legend Regency Auction 30. The auctions were only 13 days apart. In addition, take a look at how close the Certification Numbers are #36829867 compared to #36847607. With this in consideration, 1- Sold very close in time, 2- Certified very close in time, 3- Certified by same TPG, 4- Sold by very prominent companies, but realized very different prices. The Legend specimen realized $47K while the Hansen specimen realized $120K. The only other difference is the Hansen specimen is CAC. Did someone get a deal? Or what?
I am not an expect grader, but to me the Legend coin has a much stronger strike. Agree or disagree? So, if you have knowledge with grading and evaluating gold double eagles, then tell me how a coin with a better strike, and the same technical grade from the best TPG, is valued at 40% of a coin with a softer strike. What is the difference? I have added both coins for you to view. There are other pictures on the auction sites if you need to enlarge. I am learning, so if you see something that I don’t, please post.
D. L. Hansen 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ CAC (realized $120,000)
PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Certification #36829867 / POP 2/0
Small Squat S. It is no exaggeration to say this is one of the finest 1868-S twenty dollar gold pieces the most patient, well-resourced collector could ever obtain. The issue simply does not survive in better condition, except for a single MS64 at NGC. We have not seen that coin, and it does not appear to have been made available for at least 25 years. This example enjoys full mint luster that cartwheels over the medium yellow-gold surfaces. Liberty and the eagle are well-detailed, while the stars lack definition. Abrasions are undeniably minor, especially in the fields, and are limited to two mentionable digs on the cheek that pose virtually no distraction. (Heritage 1/2019)
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Legend 1868-S Double Eagle, MS62+ (realized $47,000)
PCGS Coin #8954 / PCGS Serial #36847607 / POP 2/0
LRCA is proud to offer this marvelous fully CHOICE Mint State 1868-S double eagle. Tied for FINEST graded at PCGS, there is just a single MS64 graded finer at NGC that has never sold in auction. David Akers noted that overall, the rarity of the 68-S is similar to other S-mint dates of the era, and usually only available in XF grades, RARE in AU, although since Akers' volumes were written, there were still untapped sources in Europe and elsewhere. Regardless this date is of the utmost rarity in Mint State, PCGS CoinFacts estimates perhaps 20 Mint State survivors are extant. A full, vibrant, strong, golden luster blooms dramatically on both sides. Well struck devices are frosty and bold, contrasting against the stunning satin lustrous look. Some minor contact marks are noted on both sides using a strong glass, but none are distracting, or have a serious impact on the SUPERB eye appeal. PCGS 2, NGC 1. Two non-"+" MS62s sold for $43,200 earlier this in 2018, including the one that was in the A.J. Vanderbilt Collection. This coin is worthy of inclusion in the FINEST $20 Lib set, and will likely see bidding surpass the $50,000 Collector's Universe value.(LRCA 1/2019)
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Hedgies $2.5 set is all PCGS CAC MS65/66.
thanks---that is impressive
I am still a bit confused by a simple point I made way back when upon first hearing of the Hansen pursuit of Eliasberg. And that is...
How can one say they obtained a collection equal to, or even more complete, than Eliasberg, when large chunks of the Eliasberg collection are not even included in the required coins for the registry set pursuit? Such as patterns, United States Philippine Coins, etc? Who, for example, decided patterns shouldn’t count? What am I missing here?
Wondercoin.
From the outside looking in, I would assume this is because the most common description of Eliasberg is as the only individual to complete a set of all regular-issue United States coins comprising all then-known dates and mintmarks. To me it seems most collectors characterize the "Eliaserg Quest" by this ever-changing metric, rather than trying to emulate his exact holdings.
oooh, I hope patterns count, I know someone who has by the worlds BEST pattern collection ever-including most gold patterns and the Amazonian set! I can say for sure, the really rare patterns in the Simpson set (and all his gold) will never ever be sold-those are by far his favs. Included are the #1 PCGS set of Stellas (I love those).
Will the Eliasberg quest be ended now? Will Simpson be acknowledged again by the collecting world as being great? Can I become happy? I am getting dizzy just thinking about all this.
Even if Delloy can't have patterns and falls short, it was one hell of an effort and he did build a big collection.
@Perfection
Both are proof sets.
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The standard by which Hansen is building his collection is PCGS grading. While I hear those who want to diminish his accomplishment due to lack of CAC certification on his coins, I would suggest that the Registry is based solely on PCGS certification. While CAC does provide an incremental evaluation of PCGS and NGC graded coins, CAC does not go so far as to be another TPG and assign their own grading standard.
@perfection and @specialist have a stated preference for CAC coins, and they both bemoan the significance of non-CAC coins in a registry set. I will remind them that the PCGS registry sets are all based upon a common grading standard by PCGS. There is no competitive differentiation made if the coin is CAC. Perhaps CAC should create their own registry for CAC approved coins so that collectors who would like to compete on a higher standard are not subject to PCGS discrimination.
Pooh Poohing Hansen for what he is accomplishing seems to me to be a sour grapes opinion.
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ChopmarkedTrades...
My observation is not about trying to match “exact holdings” by any means. My observation is that Eliasberg had wonderful (and quite valuable) Unites States coin collections that are being entirely ignored in a discussion regarding whether someone else is deservingly matching his accomplishments. Hence, the matching, or exceeding, may become a “convenient truth”, but my observation still remains. And, nothing negative here intended against the fabulous Hansen collection. I’m finished- I make the observation here about once a year and move on.
Just my 2 cents.
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Currin---you asked about the difference between the two top 1868-S 62+ that would create such a huge price difference. I am not a double eagle expert but here is my guess. People will always pay far more for the best. We see it all over the place----a coin 10X the price in 65 then 64 because it is the sole best. I won't call that irrational because it is human nature to want the best and the market seems to normally reward that practice. In this case, there are two coins graded at 62+ and 6 at 62 by PCGS. CAC has stickered two coins at 62 (includes 62+). We know only the one 62+ is stickered and so some will consider it to be the best. I think that is the primary reason for the price difference. Further, one may assume that the Legend coin was sent to CAC (I do not know this for a fact but why would they not and leave money on the table?) and if so then there was something about that coin that JA felt did not make it solid for the grade but he did feel that way about the Hansen coin. Again, this helps explain the difference in price. Whether or not the difference in price makes one or the other a good buy--I don't know. However, I think the reasons I posted at least explain the difference.
There is a world of difference, to me, in the eye appeal between the two double eagles. Yes, there is a strike difference, but surfaces appear to be quite different. I like the Hansen coin better.
Always bean before submitting for a +
It will get the grader's attention.
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Agree with that.
The non cac 1868 is probably a 61 if that. That's. why.
Mr. Perfection - I have many #1 and # 2 collections that are all PCGS and CAC
My Flying Eagle Collections
My Indian Cent Collections
My Flying Eagle and Indian Cent Pattern Collections
My several mint state Lincoln Cent Collections
My several Proof Lincoln Cent Collections
My both mint state Barber dime collections
My proof Barber dime collection
Please shut up with your advice saying PCGS should raise the price of coin grading
Presently it is costing me $300 a coin to get coins graded at a show plus 1% of the PCGS value
When I spend $150 a coin , I have been unsuccessful getting them returned at a show.
You may want to start your own thread in regards to your own collection and what it is costing you to have your coins graded and stickered.
This thread in regards to Mr. Hansen’s accomplishments is very impressive and a terrific read. Please keep it on topic if at all possible. Thank you.
Going by the TrueView photos alone, to me the difference is eye appeal.
The Hansen coin appears much more eye appealing with much cleaner fields and cheek on the obverse. It looks more than twice as eye appealing from the photos to me.
While the Legend coin has a stronger strike, especially noticeable on the reverse, it's just not that pleasing to look at to me.
The Hansen 68-S is way more eye appealing.
I like the Hansen coin better. It almost seems that the other one was graded up to a 62+ because of its strong strike while just having average 62ish fields and color, while Hansen's was net graded down to a 62+ because of the weak strike, particularly on the reverse. Without the weak strike, the color and clean fields suggest a higher grade than 62.
Currin----which set do you think Hansen has the most room to improve ? thanks
The DLH coln is CAC. obviously better. "strong for the grade".
The other was probably submitted many times.
Maybe it was an AU?
Back on point. What does most room to improve mean? On certain sets coins are
not available to upgrade. Ex: My PR Seated Dollar set. Very few beautiful, toned coins come
for sale. Most are grayish and ugly. DLH will have to buy this set!
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Early dollars, for one
Your set is amazing. Love it.
But how often do gems even in somewhat lower grades come for sale?
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I will buy ANY of Stewart Blays sets or coins sightUNSEEN. I'd be shocked if he didn't make money.
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Yes, the Hansen MS62+ is the better coin-duh its CAC. I graded the non MS62+ low end thats all. I was happy it was a legit MS.
I doubt that strike had much to do with the apparently tough grade on the Hansen coin. Not that strike shouldn’t matter, but it pretty much doesn’t on a double eagle. The biggest issue was probably the steaks on the obverse, which may be planchet inclusions, and which would force a conservative grade. The other issue is the small punch mark below the eye, which is damage, not a bagmark. In other words, the Hansen coin was net graded.
The other piece is just a straightforward coin. No need to net grade.
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That is not a hard question if you put a couple qualifiers with it. Which set of most significance has the most room for improvement. The answer to that question would be Early Coinage sets pretty much across the board. He has made some inroads lately, i.e. Half Dimes. He does not have to better Pogue in every set, but he does need to be competitive, very competitive. Presently, he is not. Many of the early sets he is not even competitive with Eliasberg.
You did not ask, but next one on the list would be late gold (Indians and StGs). Again, do not need the best sets in the registry, but he does need to make a lot of improvements.
Gazes, I think you understand his approach to building this vast collection. He is not chasing coins. He is building great sets in the collection as they become available according to his definition (individual coins to complete sets). He and JB have stated his definition of availability several times. I don’t think everyone understands what that means. For these two categories, it appear me the timing is not right, without chasing. Let’s see if he has patience to wait until the time is right.
PS.. Perfection, you have a beautiful set. Really beautiful. I hope one day the set will become available and meet Hansen’s definition of availability. Also, I would agree with TDN. The comment to Perfection, also apply to TDN.
This is only my observation
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I would like to give a reminder to keep things civil and respectful. From my understanding of this thread, the purpose is to recognize DLH for his collection and follow the progress of his quest.
Giving recognition to someone's achievements does not diminish the achievements of others.
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1835 Large Cent “Head of 1836”
I am not sure if this is the first Large Cent Update featured or not. If we have before, there have not been many. In Hansen's Large Cent collection, I believe this to be the third PCGS POP 1/0 specimen. The other two is a 1853 MS67RD and the spectacular 1802 MS67RB. So, they are scarce compared to other series. For the All-Times list, Hansen is presently in 5th place, behind three retired sets, and the current #1. PCGS Registry describes the set as: To many collectors this is "as good as it gets." The enthusiasm for the entire series of coins from the Chain cents of 1793 to the final Braided Hair issue of 1857 is legendary. These fascinating and historic coins have created a collecting passion among some of the most famous numismatists of all time. Chain, Wreath, Liberty Cap, Draped Bust, Classic Head, Coronet Head and Braided Hair. What a series! I hope there are a few Large Cent enthusiasts watching.
1835 N-8 Cent, MS66 Red and Brown - The Finest PCGS Certified 1835 Cent
Hansen’s new 1835 Large Cent “Head of 1836”, found in Red/Brown is a PCGS POP 1/0 for “ALL” 1835 Large Cents. The grade is a MS66RB. There are no MS65+RB and five MS65RB. This coin sold in Heritage January 2019 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando, Fla. The coin realized $15,600, with PCGS Coin Value of $20,000. It appears Hansen made out pretty well on this purchase. Also, the specimen is a CAC. The coin replaces a MS64RB PCGS grade in the collection. So, if you need one….
For a copper Large Cent, the coin is very appealing. It does have a very noticeable die crack. The auctioneer describe the coin as: An intermediate die state, the obverse has a prominent die crack from the border to the 1 and the bust, gradually diminishing until it reaches the ear, the coronet, and the hair just in front of the inner hair cord. There is no evidence of the crack above the head as exhibited on later die state examples. This impressive Premium Gem has essentially flawless, lustrous surfaces. The obverse has splashes of mint red on its light brown surface, while the reverse is nearly full red, showing splashes of pale brown toning. An extraordinary representative. Our EAC grade MS63. This is the finest 1835 large cent of any variety that PCGS has certified.
In comparing to Eliasberg’s specimen, his registry set describes his specimen as estimated graded AU58N, Ex. Geiss; Mehl Sale (1947). Sold by Bowers & Merena May '96 price realized $605.
1835 1C Head of 1836, MS66RB CAC
PCGS Coin #1715 / PCGS Serial #81947415 / POP 1/0
PCGS Price Guide: $20,000
Ex: Unknown – Heritage FUN 1/2019 – Hansen Collection, $15,600
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Perhaps it is not that easy to find "early coinage" that is good looking, graded properly and within a price range that
JB will approve?
Stewart, I KNOW you have amazing coins. How many of your CAC sets are number 1? That is usually very difficult for a few reasons. I could not catch Duckor as he had non CAC 67's where there were NO CAC examples that existed. Barbers are a competitive set. On sets like TDN MS Seated there is/was less competitors.
I am just curious to know what ways that you find JB impressive. Professionalism? Knowledge? Advice/guidance? Humble? Other? I think JB is doing a great job, and the prefect person for this historic mission. Just wondering if you see something in addition to what I see. I think what he is doing is very hard. Tracking and cataloging alone appear to me can be a nightmare. I hope he will continue, but I could see what at some point he could use a break.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004