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  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    Proof Gold Quarter Eagle Addition

    1868 Quarter Eagle is latest addition to Hansen Basic Proof set. This increases his completion percentage to about 71.5%. He has 326 coins left to obtain. The mintage for this proof is published to be 25. PCGS places the survival to be 16 to 20 known. The PCGS POP reports 9 total certified Proofs and 3 certified Cameo Proofs. The finest specimen is this PF65CAM. The other two other specimens are certified as PR64CAMs. The PCGS PF65CAM last appeared in the January 2009 Orlando Rarities Sale auctioned by Bowers & Merena. The coin sold for an auction record price of $43,700 that stood until one of the PCGS PR64CAM specimens sold for $48,000 earlier this year. That coin had an estimated value of$20,000 to $22,000 before it was hammered at $48K. That coin did have the CAC sticker. It would be curious to know if Hansen was the under bidder for that coin.

    1868 Quarter Eagle PR65DC Cert 25695135 PCGS POP 1/0

    This quarter eagle is finest known specimen of the 9 PCGS certified 1868 proofs. This coin was sold in the auction 2003 and again 2009, where the coin brought $24,725 and $43,700 respectively. I have no real knowledge of the value, but could we assume the present value of this specimen could be $100,00? It appears DLH may have purchased this coin in a private transaction. There is not much history or story that I can find on this coin.

    Coin Facts price this coin at $42,500. As suggested above, I do not feel this to be even close to the true value. The coin that sold early this year (PF64CA) brought more than the current PCGS value of this coin. I am not sure if this coin has the CAC sticker. When updated in Hansen’s set, it was not indicated in the note that it was. Therefore, I would lend toward that it is more probable that it is not. I wish I could share more on this coin and have a picture, but I cannot do either. The coin is a very nice addition to the Proof Set.

    I think this Hansen specimen Is much nicer coin that the Eliasberg specimen. The Eliasberg registry set describes his specimen as assumed graded Choice Proof, Ex. Parmelee Collection; NY Stamp & Coin (1890); Woodin; Elder (1911); Clapp Collection (1942). Sold by Bowers & Ruddy Oct '82 price realized $5,720.

    Hansen's coin is cameo not deep cameo correct?

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:

    Hansen's coin is cameo not deep cameo correct?

    Yes, that is correct. PCGS does not show any DCAMs graded for this Quarter Eagle date.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So you could edit your post:
    old:
    1868 Quarter Eagle PR65DC Cert 25695135 PCGS POP 1/0
    new:
    1868 Quarter Eagle PR65CA Cert 25695135 PCGS POP 1/0

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry, I missed that. Thanks

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,218 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great write up. Thanks!

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  • OGDanOGDan Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Must be in a rattler or OGH with that cert number and old style true view. What a coin.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Holy Crap!!!!!!!!

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2018 7:11PM

    from a 2014 auction description: Although none are identified today, it is likely that a small number of proof 1850 double eagles were coined.

    The 1850 proof double eagle has been discussed on a few forum threads; in particular this one:
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/993882/1850-proof-double-eagle-inquiry
    My understanding is that there is a proof 1850 $20 in a Paris museum, verified by several people.
    A forum member also has the ex- Dr. C.W. Green 1850 in a SEGS holder graded PR-62. This one appears to be "close to" a proof, although B. Max Mehl called it not a proof.

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    Agree 100%. Quality, eye appeal and interesting coins make for the best collections

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018 6:02PM

    So many stunners in this difficult set.
    I suspect the Set Registry descriptions and CoinFacts descriptions have gotten slightly out of date since Ron Guth has not been at PCGS for several months now.
    If PCGS is looking for help with updated provenances, I wonder if they would like someone to work remotely? You, perhaps?
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/liberty-seated-quarters-major-sets/liberty-seated-quarters-proof-1838-1857/alltimeset/157372

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread could cause nosebleeds now. :o

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Super 1843 Quarter!

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Early Seated Liberty Proof Quarter Dollar

    I posted a new Early Seated Liberty Proof Quarter Dollar addition a couple days ago. In that discussion, I stated how tough it will be to complete this set of Liberty Seated Quarters, Proof (1838-1857). Yosclimber described as: So many stunners in this difficult set. Yes, there are a lot of stunners, and maybe one knockout punch. Hansen has acquired 10 of the 17 required coins. I want to highlight what is left and the difficulty of the last seven or eight.

    All early proofs are difficult, so it not just limited to the Liberty Quarters. The Early Quarters Basic Set, Proof (1820-1838) may be more difficult than this set. PCGS describes that set as: No coin in the set is priced below $55,000 in Proof 64. PCGS has graded just 58 coins and several dates have had only 1 or 2 graded. The Hansen collection presently has only 3 of the 16 coins in that set. We can expect more discussion on that set on another day.

    Back to the early proof quarters in the Seated Liberty set. Hansen has more work to do. He needs 7 more coins for completion of the registry set. This does not include the 1851 coin that is required in the 1851 PCGS Proof Set. If we count the 1851 coin, he will need 8. I will go into more details later on this coin. Of the remaining 7, there are 4 coins (1838, 1839, 1844, 1852) that have only one (unique) specimen each that is attainable for private purchase. The remaining 3 are relatively common for this set (1849, 1853, 1854). They have estimated survival populations of 5 to 25 each. This handful of quarters covers four of the types found in Liberty Seated quarter series.

    Type 1, No Drapery

    The Seated Type 1 with No Drapery is a three year type, consisting of only two years (1838, 1839) for Liberty Seated Proof Quarters. The total numbers of known coins for the type is only two! Acquiring at least one of these coins is important for DLH to have a specimen for his US Complete Proof Type set. These coins are very rare, expensive and controversial. There is no 1840 No Drapery proof quarter dollar. It does not appear any were produced at the Philadelphia Mint for MS or Proofs. Hansen will need to acquire both of these unique coins to complete his proof set.

    1) 1838 25C Seated, No Drapery – One known specimen, PCGS PR63+

    Only one Proof 1838 Seated Liberty Quarter Dollar is known to exist. This unique item first appeared in a 1954 Stack's auction and has appeared on the market only three times since then. Between 1957 and 2013 (over half a century), the coin was sequestered in an unknown collection. For a short time, this coin was one of the highlights of the Gene Gardner collection, who paid a record price for it in 2013. (Ron Guth)

    2) 1839 25C Seated, No Drapery – One known specimen, NGC PR65

    The 1839 No Drapery Quarter Dollar is one of the greatest Proof rarities of the entire United States series. It is believed to be unique, and it is known by only the Boyd-Pittman-Kaufman-Gardner coin in NGC PR65. According to Akers, Pittman considered this singular coin one of the highlights of his collection. At its peak in the sale of the Kaufmann collection, this coin sold for over half a million dollars. Subsequent sales have seen a downward trend and in the 2014 sale of the Gardner collection, this coin realized just over $270,000, barely more than half its peak price. (Ron Guth)

    Type 2, No Motto

    To complete the Registry Liberty Seated Quarters, Proof (1838-1857), Hansen will need 3 (maybe 4) additional specimens for this type. As always, there are other interesting twists. The 1851 date is not in the 1801-1964 Complete Proof Set. The set composition for the 1851 Proof Set (annual proof set) requires an 1851 proof quarter specimen. It is an interesting and I believe common inconsistency in the registry as in some sets a specific coin is required and other sets it may not. Another interesting piece on information, there are no certified 1842 Large Date Proofs by either PCGS or NGC. Also, this is similar with the 1853 No Arrow. Most sites do not list them as existing. In data produced in a Stanford University study, they list three 1842 Large Date proofs and 6 Small Date proofs. I believe it's extremely unlikely that any were made.

    3) 1844 25C Seated – Two known specimens, PCGS PR65 and the other located in the Smithsonian

    Pedigree for the only known PCGS Specimen: Numismatic Gallery, sold privately in 4/1948 - John Jay Pittman Collection - David Akers 10/1997:833 - Philip Kaufman Collection - Heritage 1/2008:3025, $322,000 - Scott Rudolph Collection - Heritage 1/2009:3764, $299,000 - Bay State Collection - Heritage 7/2009:1086, $276,000 - Greensboro Collection - Heritage 8/2013:5588, $258,500 - Eugene H. Gardner Collection - Heritage 6/2014:30404, $182,125

    4) 1849 25C Seated – Est 3 to 5 known, 5- PCGS PR63-65 and 3- NGC PR63-66

    The Proof 1849 Quarter Dollar is a very rare coin, with only five examples positively known to exist, with perhaps two to four more that may be out in the woodwork. All five of the known examples are well-preserved, starting at PR63 and going to PR66. The top two examples, both PCGS PR66, are from the Pittman and Eliasberg Collections. (Ron Guth)

    (1851 Proof Set Only) 1851 25C Seated – No specimen positively traced, None certified by PCGS or NGC

    The 1851 PCGS Mint Set requires this coin, even though there in no proof that I can find that exist. PCGS has assigned the coin number as 5545, but the coin is not listed in Coin Facts. NGC states: Though a single proof has been reported in years past, it is unlikely that any such coin exists. After 167 years, I guess the jury is still out on this one. John, I wish you luck in finding an 1851 “real” Proof specimen.

    5) 1852 25C Seated – Two known specimens, NGC PR65 and the other housed in the American Numismatic Society

    The 1852 proof is not only one of the greatest rarities in the Seated quarter series, but also in the entirety of United States proof coinage. Only two examples are known, one of which has been unattainable housed in the American Numismatic Society since 1908, when it was donated by J.P. Morgan, who had originally acquired it from R.C.H. Brock. The other piece, pedigreed to the legendary Pittman Collection, is the only example of this extreme rarity that is theoretically obtainable, and therefore ranks among the most sought-after single coins in the entire Seated quarter series. (HA)

    Type 3, Arrows & Rays

    This is a one year type. For Proof Type collectors, this coin is one of the show stoppers. Hansen has the #1 Registry Complete U.S. Type Set, Proof (1801-1964). The set is 89% competed and missing 4 silver coins. One is the Type 1, No Drapery mention earlier, and this Type 3. At some point, DLH should be able to pick up one of the coins described below. The Kaufman specimen would be a great addition.

    6) 1853 Arrows & Rays 25C Seated – Est 8 specimens, 3- PCGS PF63-64 and 5- NGC PR64-67

    Proof 1853 Arrows & Rays Quarter Dollars are extremely rare...and confusing. Some are stone-cold, undisputed Proofs, such as the Kaufman NGC PR66CAM that once sold for $276,000. Others, like the Norweb and Eliasberg examples, started out as Prooflike Mint State pieces but have subsequently been called Proofs. Even David Akers had trouble with the Pittman example because it was Proof on the obverse, but not Proof within the shield stripes on the reverse (Akers ended up calling the Pittman coin a Proof; NGC concurred by calling it a PR64). (Ron Guth)

    Type 4, No Motto, Arrows

    Hansen should be able to easily pick up an 1854 Specimen. He may be waiting for either the Eliasberg or Pittman specimen to become available. The Eliasberg last sold in 2009 for $48,875. The Pittman last sold in 2013 for $30,550.

    7) 1854 Arrows Seated – Est 25 specimens, 13- PCGS PF63-65 and 10- NGC PR62-66

    Proof 1854 Quarter Dollars are exceedingly rare. Estimates of ten to fifteen examples have been floated about, which seems to be be reasonable (we have images of nine demonstrably different examples, plus there are some examples we have not seen or for which we have not yet obtained images). The quality of the surviving examples is pretty good, usually in the PR64 to PR65 range, indicating that collectors purchased them and protected them well. Most are brilliant Proofs, though there are some Cameo examples. Unlike the Proof 1853 Arrows & Rays Proof Quarters, these are all convincing Proofs. The examples with the highest numerical grades are two NGC PR66's: one from the Pittman Collection and another from the Eliasberg Collection. (Ron Guth)

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2018 8:40PM

    In data produced in a Stanford University study, they list three 1842 Large Date proofs and 6 Small Date proofs.

    That's my web page
    https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/q/index.htm
    and in the Notes page, I state the source is what Breen wrote in Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of United States and Colonial Coins (1988).

    In his Proof Encyclopedia, for 1842 quarters, he wrote similarly:

    Quarter Dollar.
    Small date, as in 1841. Six said to exist of this famous and extreme rarity, all from the same dies. (1) ANS, ex R. C. W. Brock, J. P. Morgan proof set. Said to have come from the mint in the year of issue, unverified. (3) Oscar Schilke estate, in the proof set. (4) Q. David Bowers, ex Steckler sale:39, ex "Vermont private coll.", ex Miles:918 at $12,000, "Century" :872, at $8,250, said to have cost $11,000; ex Jerome Kern: 1432, possibly originally H. P. Smith:801. (5) James A. Stack estate:55, $41,000. (6) SI, ex Mint.
    Large date. WGC: 151, probably reappearing in N.Y.state specialist set. Two others reported plus a couple of other impaired pieces. Cf. 1950 ANA: 1060, cleaned; Kern:1431.

    https://www.pcgs.com/books/breen-proofs/Chapter06-004.aspx
    While some of these are from auction listings where he did not see/verify the coin, others he would have seen.
    As usual, with early proofs, they can be borderline and standards might change over time.
    For example, the 1847 V-2 Eliasberg half dime was sold in the 2014-10 Gardner sale in a PCGS PR-67 slab, and then appeared in 2014-11 in a PCGS MS-67 slab.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2018 4:36PM

    @Gazes said:
    my favorite coin books are about collectors and how they built their collection. Currin has essentially done this in real time with the Hansen collection using this thread. Well done and thank you!

    I too enjoy reading about the building of great collections. If you have not read this, it is a really good read. I re-read over the Thanksgiving Holidays. I have enjoyed reading it more than once.

    https://coinweek.com/dealers-companies/stacks-bowers-dealers/building-world-class-numismatic-gold-coin-collection-josiah-k-lilly-collection/

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    my favorite coin books are about collectors and how they built their collection. Currin has essentially done this in real time with the Hansen collection using this thread. Well done and thank you!

    I agree.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold Half Eagle Proof Addition

    This 1871 Half Eagle Proof eye candy is latest addition to Hansen Basic Proof set. It is a beautiful piece, but not quite the finest according to PCGS. The mintage for this proof is published to be 30. PCGS places the survival to be around 14 known. The PCGS POP reports 3 total certified Proofs and 2 of them are certified Cameo Proofs (both shown below). The finest specimen is a new PCGS certified PF65+CAM. The PF65+CAM is not updated in Coin Facts. The Hansen specimen is the PCGS second finest, but has been the finest until very recently. The Finest Specimen is not traceable online yet. Being it is not listed in Coin Facts, there is no picture. After reviewing the roster of possibilities, I believe there is a very good possibility the new PCGS finest certified may be the Ed Trompeter Specimen. The Trompeter was last sold in a Heritage auction in 2015. The coin brought a record price of $73,437. The coin was a NGC PR66 Cameo. I could see this coin crossing into a PCGS PF65+CAM.

    1871 Half Eagle PR65CAM CAC Cert 27443363 PCGS POP 1/1

    This half eagle is second finest known specimen of the 3 PCGS certified 1871 proofs. This coin was sold in the 2014 Heritage Long Beach Expo Signature Auction. The coin realized $70,500. PCGS and Coin Facts do not list a value for this coin, so I have no real knowledge of how much this coin could bring in today’s market. This Hansen coin was recently listed by Rare Coin Wholesalers on their website and a third party. The coin was priced for $104,500. It is unknown to me what the coin actually sold for, but anywhere close to $100K would be a new record. The coin does have a rich history. The coin can be traced back to the T. Harrison Garrett Collection, Robert Garrett Collection, John Work Garrett Collection, and Johns Hopkins University Collection. Harry W. Bass, Jr. bought the coin, and since then, the coin has sold in several auctions. The coin does have a CAC sticker. This coin makes a great addition to collection that Hansen is assembling.

    Provenance: Garrett Collection- John Hopkins Univ.-Harry W. Bass, JR

    In a 2014 auction listing, Eliasberg was credited for having a PR65 uncertified. I am not sure how his specimen would stack up to this Hansen coin side by side. With what we know, I would leave them as a tie for now.

    How do you think the Hansen PR65CAM CAC compares to the PCGS 65+CAM?

    Hansen - Garrett-Bass 1871 Half Eagle PR65CAM CAC (PCGS Second Finest Known)

    Ed Trompeter (2015 Picture) 1871 Half Eagle PR65+CAM (PCGS Finest Known- Picture Unverified )

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    Gold Half Eagle Proof Addition

    This 1871 Half Eagle Proof eye candy is latest addition to Hansen Basic Proof set. It is a beautiful piece, but not quite the finest according to PCGS. The mintage for this proof is published to be 30. PCGS places the survival to be around 14 known. The PCGS POP reports 3 total certified Proofs and 2 of them are certified Cameo Proofs (both shown below). The finest specimen is a new PCGS certified PF65+CAM. The PF65+CAM is not updated in Coin Facts. The Hansen specimen is the PCGS second finest, but has been the finest until very recently. The Finest Specimen is not traceable online yet. Being it is not listed in Coin Facts, there is no picture. After reviewing the roster of possibilities, I believe there is a very good possibility the new PCGS finest certified may be the Ed Trompeter Specimen. The Trompeter was last sold in a Heritage auction in 2015. The coin brought a record price of $73,437. The coin was a NGC PR66 Cameo. I could see this coin crossing into a PCGS PF65+CAM.

    1871 Half Eagle PR65CAM CAC Cert 27443363 PCGS POP 1/1

    This half eagle is second finest known specimen of the 3 PCGS certified 1871 proofs. This coin was sold in the 2014 Heritage Long Beach Expo Signature Auction. The coin realized $70,500. PCGS and Coin Facts do not list a value for this coin, so I have no real knowledge of how much this coin could bring in today’s market. This Hansen coin was recently listed by Rare Coin Wholesalers on their website and a third party. The coin was priced for $104,500. It is unknown to me what the coin actually sold for, but anywhere close to $100K would be a new record. The coin does have a rich history. The coin can be traced back to the T. Harrison Garrett Collection, Robert Garrett Collection, John Work Garrett Collection, and Johns Hopkins University Collection. Harry W. Bass, Jr. bought the coin, and since then, the coin has sold in several auctions. The coin does have a CAC sticker. This coin makes a great addition to collection that Hansen is assembling.

    Provenance: Garrett Collection- John Hopkins Univ.-Harry W. Bass, JR

    In a 2014 auction listing, Eliasberg was credited for having a PR65 uncertified. I am not sure how his specimen would stack up to this Hansen coin side by side. With what we know, I would leave them as a tie for now.

    How do you think the Hansen PR65CAM CAC compares to the PCGS 65+CAM?

    Hansen - Garrett-Bass 1871 Half Eagle PR65CAM CAC (PCGS Second Finest Known)

    Ed Trompeter (2015 Picture) 1871 Half Eagle PR65+CAM (PCGS Finest Known- Picture Unverified )

    would love to have to choose between these two!

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2018 4:08PM

    Old Silver Heavy Circulated Half Dollar

    As promised a few days ago, I have a circulated half dollar to share. There are not many of these make the cut to post on Hansen Watch. This may be the first for a circulated half dollar. The coin is graded by PCGS as VF25. The coin is not a top pop. PCGS report shows 3 finer, but I don’t think there are 3, only 2. The known population for this very rare 1806 O-108 R7 Draped Bust Half Dollar is 7. From the Early Half Dollar Information Site, the coin is described this way: An XF40 leads the way with this marriage being pretty much impossible to obtain in any condition. The reverse die broke up early in its life, or perhaps a large quantity of these were sent someplace together and lost to history. Obverse-Sharp pointed small stars are clear of milling. Star 7 is 1 1/2 mm. from L and star 13 is a close 1/4 mm. to bust. Date is 9 mm., evenly spaced and high, I nearly touching curl, 6 is rather high and slender, with a taller and more open top than most of the knobbed variety. Center dot in hair. Some specimens show a wavy die crack from stars around top of LIBERTY to star 11. Reverse-Olive stem does not extend through eagle's claw. The only knobbed 6 variety found with this type reverse. 5 berries , 3 below the branch, the lowest of which has a very short stem and the two upper ones long stems. Leaf points to right base of I. AME touch or nearly so at base. Serif of A embedded in third feather but clear of fourth feather. A die crack joins top of UNITED which on late die states develops a cud. Weak spot in clouds below OF.

    The seven known coins including auctions and sale records:

    05/2015 (Stack's-Bowers) Pogue Specimen PCGS XF40 (realized $105,750) (2009 record $126,500)
    10/1998 (Sheridan Downey) Brian Greer Specimen PCGS VF 35
    11/2018 (Private Sale) Hansen-Overton Plate Specimen PCGS VF25 ($125,000 LIST PRICE)
    01/2018 (Heritage FUN-Tampa) PCGS Genuine VF20 Detail (Cleaned) (realized $40,800)
    02/2018 (Heritage - Long Beach) PCGS F12 (realized $60,000) (available by RCW for $99,500)
    07/2008 (Heritage ANA- Baltimore) NCS F12 heavy thin scratches, improper clean (realized $25,300)
    08/2017 (Downey MBS 45 ANA-Denver) PCGS VG8 ("a" model with cud top UNITE) (realized $60,500)

    1806 Early Half Dollar (O-108, Knob 6, No Stem) VF25 (CERT#: 35895579) PCGS POP 1/3

    This Major Variety Half Dollar is the 3rd finest known. I think the PCGS POP report is incorrect, because it list 2 PCSG certified VF35. I can only find one, the Brian Greer specimen. I believe the correct POP is 1/2, finest the Pogue XF40, second finest the Greer VF35, and third finest Hansen-Overton VF25.

    This coin appears to have been offer for sale by Harry Laibstain Rare Coins. The coin briefly appeared on a third party internet site. The listed sale price for the coin was $125,000. The listing was removed for sale due to: This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available. The coin was describes as: Second finest of the rarest of all Redbook variety Bust Half Dollars. Only 7 known of this storied rarity. See Tompkins Plate of the seven coins and pedigrees. Listed as VF 35, this coin sold to well-known dealer Larry Briggs in 1989 for 50K! Don't miss this chance to add this great rarity to your Bust Half Redbook set. The listing ended November 11th. The coin briefly appeared on Amazon. It is unknown to me what the coin actually sold for, but I feel comfortable the Pogue 2008 record still stands (for now).

    The coin can be traced back to 1950s, where it was first part of the Phillip Straus Collection. It changed hands a few times before landing with Al Overton. I would think that was the time the specimen received the pedigree as “The Overton Plate” coin. There is no indication that the coin is CAC. The coin is very nice for age and wear.

    Provenance: Overton Plate

    After reviewing Eliasberg PCGS Set with Major Varieties, it does not appear that he ever obtained this coin. He had 4 of the 6 varieties of the 1806 half dollars including the finest known MS65 Pointed 6, No Stem. So, he had very nice No Stem specimen, but not the knob variety. With this update, Hansen has completed the 1806 half dollars varieties. This is one of the key coins in his attempt to have a complete set with Major Varieties. This coin is certainly a top 10 on the list. He has a little over 60 coins remaining. As he gets closer, I am sure the discussion around Major Varieties will pick up steam.

    Hansen - Overton 1806 Early Half Dollar (O-108, Knob 6, No Stem) (3rd Finest of Seven Known)

    Note:
    A third party website shows David Lawrence Rare Coins having this coin listed for sale for $159,008.30 (Buy It Now or Best Offer). This whole listing seems weird, what’s with the $8.30? In the listing, DLRC describes as: An extremely rare variety in the Bust Half Dollar series that is a Rarity-7 in the Overton Guidebook. One of the most famous rarities in the denomination, only an estimated 7 pieces are known to exist. Pleasing, original surfaces with a medium brownish-gray tint, this piece is sure to please the collector of rare items.

    This offer does not appear on DLRC website. I just find it to be interesting and maybe bogus.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love to follow the progress of the collection.

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. The 1799s are awesome.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1798 Dollar is a very nice pickup!

  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    Currin seems to only compare the Hansen specimen with a Eliasberg specimen of the same date.
    Why not compare the Hansen specimen with the finest known
    Specimens of the same variety and date ?
    Then Mr. Hansen could improve
    the quality of his collection
    The grade in the holder should not matter.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018 7:21PM

    @STEWARTBLAYNUMIS said:
    Currin seems to only compare the Hansen specimen with a Eliasberg specimen of the same date.
    Why not compare the Hansen specimen with the finest known
    Specimens of the same variety and date ?
    Then Mr. Hansen could improve
    the quality of his collection
    The grade in the holder should not matter.

    It's because this is the stated goal of the main circ/proof set:

    About This Set: The Eliasberg Challenge. The goal is to build as complete a set as is possible in a better grade than the legendary Eliasberg. A worthy challenge Let the work begin!!!

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/master-sets/u-s-coins-complete-set-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-proof-1792-1964/alltimeset/150011
    So we are just comparing progress relative to this stated goal.

    Of course, many different goals or metrics for assessing quality / completeness are possible.
    But it seems natural to use the goal that the collector is following.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who does Hansen's registry sets?
    Somebody has to add that new 29 Saint to his date set.

  • DDODDO Posts: 44 ✭✭

    Great coins!

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if John Brush can tell us how many of the upgrades come from Mr. Hansen actively seeking them out as opposed to coins being offered to Mr. Hansen?

  • remumcremumc Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭

    Yes, I understand. My two # 1 mint sets, 1955 & 1957, were bumped down to # 2 by Hansen sets.

    Regards,

    Wayne

    www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
  • remumcremumc Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭

    Not to mention that he has 3 of the top 10 sets in the Mercury dime FB basic set. 2 in the top 5. Makes it very difficult for others to make the top 10, or the top 5 to get their set pedigreed.

    Regards,

    Wayne

    www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    I wonder if John Brush can tell us how many of the upgrades come from Mr. Hansen actively seeking them out as opposed to coins being offered to Mr. Hansen?

    John B has told us that they are not chasing coins. With the numbers they are acquiring, I don’t think could if they wanted to. It appear to me, they are buying from several auction sites including ebay. It is amazing they are able to keep up as well as they do. I hope we hear from John soon.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    They almost never will cross a 68 or top pop for me.
    I have a box of them. All CAC which I believe is part of the reason.

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mr Perfecto-that is where you fail. NOT every CAC coin will cross. Many are just technical grades. And in my world, a top pop #1 coins needs BOTH EYE APPEAL and technical grade.

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    Happy holidays specialist!
    The coins I,refer,to,are monsters, moon coins as you would call them.
    I,will bring some to,fun.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gazes Challenge –Part 3

    In week number three update, we are comparing four small cents. I hope this to be a fun game. In my first week posting, I described this challenge as “an interesting experiment”. Insider2 reminded us that it is hard to compare collections a half century apart. He described as a “fanciful exercise”. I agree, but I hope everyone have fun watching the progression of this game.

    This is a week that Hansen ran the table. He had the best graded coin in 3 out of 4. It does not appear Eliasberg obtained an example of the 1955 Double Die Cent. I am using the registry, so if this is incorrect, please let me know and I will revise. Hansen has both varieties of the 1955 DDOs. I listed them below with a few others. After Eliasberg took the lead in week 2, Hansen now has a 3 coin lead after week 3.

    Hansen’s five varieties for 1955 Lincoln.
    1955 1C DDO FS-101 2827 MS65RD POP 20/1
    1955 1C DDO FS-102 37909 MS65RD POP 33/3
    1955-D 1C DDO FS-101 37918 MS66RD POP 10/3
    1955-D 1C RPM FS-503 37924 MS64RD POP 46/23
    1955-S/S/S 1C RPM FS-501 37933 MS66RD POP 39/6

    Small Cent Challenge

    1856 Flying Eagle Cent: Rarest and most popular small cent..
    Hansen Coin: 1856 Flying Eagle - PCGS MS64 (PCGS POP 34/15, overall: 34/17)
    Eliasberg Coin: 1856 Flying Eagle - Assumed MS63 (PCGS POP 38/49, overall: 42/51)

    1877 Indian Cent: Rarest Indian Head Cent.
    Hansen Coin: 1877 Cent - PCGS MS65RD (PCGS POP 25/11, overall 25/11)
    Eliasberg Coin: 1877 Cent - Assumed MS65BN (PCGS POP 18/1, overall 18/529)

    1909-S VDB Cent:Most famous US small cent; a coin every collector wanted as a kid.
    Hansen Coin: 1909-S VDB Cent - PCGS MS67RD (PCGS POP 15/0, overall 15/0)
    Eliasberg Coin: 1909-S VDB Cent - Est. MS66RB (PCGS POP 74/2, overall 74/2412)

    1955 Double Die Cent: Best known error coin; very distinctive appearance.
    Hansen Coin: 1955 Double Die Cent - PCGS MS65RD (PCGS POP 20/1, overall 53/4)
    Eliasberg Coin: According to Eliasberg Registry Set, He did not have a specimen of this coin.

    Gaze Challenge
    Small Cents - Hansen (4-0-0)
    Overall - Hansen (5-2-1)

    Winning Coins:

    Hansen 1856 Flying Eagle - PCGS MS64

    Hansen 1877 Cent - PCGS MS65RD
    No Picture available

    Hansen 1909-S VDB Cent - PCGS MS67RD

    Hansen 1955 Double Die Cent - PCGS MS65RD

    Next week: Half Dimes

    1792 Half Disme: First regular issue U.S. coin; association with George Washington.
    1802 Half Dime: Rarest half dime; important U.S. rarity.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Perfection said:
    They almost never will cross a 68 or top pop for me.
    I have a box of them. All CAC which I believe is part of the reason.

    Hey Perfection, why would CAC be part of the reason.. I don’t follow..

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • KeithMS70KeithMS70 Posts: 192 ✭✭✭

    What an awesome thread!!! Thanks for sharing. Ill be watching

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