@wondercoin said:
Overdate: Why is this Kennedy the 8th lowest? Please list the (7) above this so we can discuss.
Wondercoin.
Wondercoin, I mistakenly counted the two proofs from the 2014 four-coin silver set. The actual coins are, by my calculation:
2014 four-coin silver set (2 non-proof coins).
2014 clad set, obverse of 1964 (2 coins).
1998-S uncirculated (burnished?) silver.
And optionally, the 2014-W gold.
So that's five (or six) Kennedys with lower mintages than the 2017-S enhanced.
The two-coin clad set consists of major varieties rather than distinct dates/mintmarks, so some collectors will not include them in their sets. That would leave three (or four) non-proof Kennedys with lower mintages. The two with the most comparable mintages are the 2014 silver coins from the four-coin set. Each of these coins individually sells for $20 to $25.
@BackroadJunkie said:
Edit to add: I know the 70-D is recognized as the "key" at 2.1M, but the Mint regularly struck less than 2M between 2008 and 2012...
I think these mintage figures may not include Kennedy halves issued in mint sets for these years.
Overdate... yes, that's more like it! Let's get rid of the gold (bullion) piece that melts for over $800. And, the clad coins are different as you noted. The 2014 coins had an identical 225,000 mintage, were sold by the Mint (if memory serves me right) into 2016 and now show a mintage I think of about 221,000 - give or take. There is no telling what the mintage on these 2017 coins will end up at, especially when factoring in returns. Not sure how the mint will treat the returns of 2017 open sets. Suffice it to say, these 2017 Enhanced Kennedy coins are pretty much on par with the 2014 Unc. Coins from the 4 pc. set in my view (I would not be surprised if the final mintage on either was higher or lower than the other). And, yes, those 2014 coins are worth $20-$25/coin raw. Would it be too surprising to see these 2017 Enhanced Kennedy coins trading, standalone, at roughly $13-$15/coin? And, if so, that leaves a lot of set left for the other $15-$17 remaining! A single dime and cent might cover that easily?
So, going with that thought, let's pencil in "hopeful" retail values moving forward for these 2017 enhanced coins as follows...
Cent... $10?
Nickel... $3?
Dime... $9?
Quarters... $2?
Half Dollar ... $13?
Sac Dollar ... $3?
Cent... $15. We're in uncharted territory here, given that cents are very popular with collectors, this is both a lowest-mintage Lincoln and a unique-finish one, and cent collectors will be competing with collectors of the enhanced set as a whole. I think the cent (and the Kennedy half) will drive the breakup of at least half of the enhanced sets.
Nickel... $5. Not as popular as the cent, but still should carry a nice premium as the lowest-mintage Jefferson.
Dime... $5. Similar to the nickel. Compared to the higher-mintage 1996-W, this should be selling at a much higher price and might do so someday. The big variable is whether this and the other "enhanced uncirculated" coins will be accepted by collectors as part of their regular uncirculated sets.
Quarters... $2 (each), total of $10. Many collectors will be satisfied with the circulation-strike 2017-S quarters, and will not include these coins in their sets.
Half... $13. I agree with Wondercoin's estimate for this popular coin.
Dollar... $3. I agree here also, this is actually the fourth "enhanced" Native American dollar in as many years, and by far the highest mintage one.
So I arrive at a breakup value of at least $51 once the dust settles.
@MsMorrisine said:
how do the dimes from march of dimes set compare in relative mintages and prices?
Mintage of 75,000 each for the silver 2015-W and 2015-P, but these are both proofs which are in a separate category. In general, proof versions of circulating coins have less collector demand than circulation strikes, and are priced accordingly.
Cent... $15. We're in uncharted territory here, given that cents are very popular with collectors, this is both a lowest-mintage Lincoln and a unique-finish one, and cent collectors will be competing with collectors of the enhanced set as a whole. I think the cent (and the Kennedy half) will drive the breakup of at least half of the enhanced sets.
Nickel... $5. Not as popular as the cent, but still should carry a nice premium as the lowest-mintage Jefferson.
Dime... $5. Similar to the nickel. Compared to the higher-mintage 1996-W, this should be selling at a much higher price and might do so someday. The big variable is whether this and the other "enhanced uncirculated" coins will be accepted by collectors as part of their regular uncirculated sets.
Quarters... $2 (each), total of $10. Many collectors will be satisfied with the circulation-strike 2017-S quarters, and will not include these coins in their sets.
Half... $13. I agree with Wondercoin's estimate for this popular coin.
Dollar... $3. I agree here also, this is actually the fourth "enhanced" Native American dollar in as many years, and by far the highest mintage one.
So I arrive at a breakup value of at least $51 once the dust settles.
I pretty much agree with you in the same general ballpark on these prices. I'm not sure the nickel is the lowest-mintage Jefferson. Those special matte nickels dated 1994-P and 1997-P had mintages of about 167,000 and 25,000, respectively.
The only other thing to add: you say regarding the quarters: "Many collectors will be satisfied with the circulation-strike 2017-S quarters". The fact still remains that these enhanced coins are separate and visually obvious varieties intentionally produced by the Mint, and as such, are required if one is a completist in the Washington quarter series. Same thing goes for the other denominations. That's why I've guesstimated in my mind these sets ultimately settling in the $50 - 100 range.
ernie11 - the 1994-P and 1997-P matte nickels had circulation-strike counterparts, while the 2017-S does not. Completists will want all three, but those who collect by date and mintmark may be satisfied with just the 2017-S.
Same with the quarters: completists will want the 2017-S enhanced versions, while those who collect by date and mintmark may be satisfied with just the regular circulation strikes.
There will be a considerable number of collectors on both sides of this issue, and the success of the 2017-S enhanced set will hinge upon how many collectors feel the need to add these coins to their uncirculated sets. I think quite a few will want these coins for their uncirculated sets, and will be breaking up"enhanced" sets to obtain them.
@HalfStrike said:
The March of Dimes special set at 75,000 mintage is selling for under issue price.
Reflecting the relatively lower demand for proofs, as well as the relatively lower demand for Roosevelt dimes as a series, compared to other series such as Kennedy halves and Lincoln cents.
@HalfStrike said:
The March of Dimes special set at 75,000 mintage is selling for under issue price.
Reflecting the relatively lower demand for proofs, as well as the relatively lower demand for Roosevelt dimes as a series, compared to other series such as Kennedy halves and Lincoln cents.
Interpretation of DealerSpeak: An esoteric discussion about possible flip price of a Clad set that, ultimately, no one really cares about.
That the Iowa Effigy Mound design is included, I'm from Iowa, worst design ever. Mint trying to help this design that nobdy has purchased.
Oh yeah, forgot to add, 225th Anniversary Enhanced Uncirculated Coin Set (17XC) is still "Add to Bag".
@epcjimi1 said:
Interpretation of DealerSpeak: An esoteric discussion about possible flip price of a Clad set that, ultimately, no one really cares about.
1) I'm not a dealer.
2) Discussion is not esoteric, it is an easily understandable discussion about modern coinage.
3) We're discussing the post-flip price, after the flip mania has subsided.
4) Plenty of people care about the set, as shown for example by the number of posts in this and other threads.
4) how many care about the flip and how many care about the set??
it's still for sale. sell out in minutes on the first day, but 7 hours and 15 minutes after 7:30 today and no sell out. plus these were going since yesterday at 7:30, so that is more like 31 hours and 15 minutes.
How will the EU set compare with the Satin Mint Sets from 2005-2010 as far as demand? These sets sell for about face to a few dollars above. The SMS sets do have higher mintages 584k + and are not as distinct as the 2017 EU set. The 2017 EU set are S mint opposed to the P&D mints of the SMS sets.
According to the Mint, 25,000 sets were shipped to the ANA show, which includes 800 shipped on Aug. 3 for sales on Aug. 4. The Mint sold 24,000 sets at the ANA convention on Aug. 1, with 200 sets damaged in transit (24,200 total were sent for Tuesday sale). The Mint was not making a public address announcement of the sets’ availability on Aug. 4, according to Gilkes. The additional sets were availabe only if customers asked about them. Sales were limited to five per pass through the line during this second round of bourse sales.
So if you're at the ANA, they're back on sale.
Who is Eagle Eye Rare Coins, and are they here?
One dealer at the convention, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, reported that one business purchased 4,000 sets from the Mint at the convention.
I was surprised to see that these are still available so I just ordered two: USM05221XXX. One is for my collection and I will put the other one up for bids at the next club auction.
Back in '68, a peso was worth 8.5 cents. Today, it's worth 5.5 cents. A gold $60 > @Overdate said:
@epcjimi1 said:
Interpretation of DealerSpeak: An esoteric discussion about possible flip price of a Clad set that, ultimately, no one really cares about.
1) I'm not a dealer.
2) Discussion is not esoteric, it is an easily understandable discussion about modern coinage.
3) We're discussing the post-flip price, after the flip mania has subsided.
4) Plenty of people care about the set, as shown for example by the number of posts in this and other threads.
Mint cant pack a box correctly. Got my 50 today and almost 21 of the sets are damaged from absolutely garbage packing. not 1 piece of padding / paper filler. All 50 sets were tossed in the box and taped up.
Will be sending 21 back on the mints dime.
As for sales I have a feeling LOTS of returns are going to be heading back....
Positive BST Deals as a seller : Wondercoin, Chumlee, Jerster, Perry Hall , DMarks, MWK, drewsef, SoCalBigMark, Lakesammman, Nurmaler
I'm guessing not a sell out until later next week.
longer if there are (saleable?) ANA returns.
another thing about the ANA to ask the mint employees: what will be done about the poor packing and shipping issues where customers at home are receiving a high number of damaged sets?
@Booger9989 said:
Mint cant pack a box correctly. Got my 50 today and almost 21 of the sets are damaged from absolutely garbage packing. not 1 piece of padding / paper filler. All 50 sets were tossed in the box and taped up.
Will be sending 21 back on the mints dime.
As for sales I have a feeling LOTS of returns are going to be heading back....
Booger9989, how do you ship it back to the usmint? Are you pay for shipping fees? Thank you
@Booger9989 said:
Mint cant pack a box correctly. Got my 50 today and almost 21 of the sets are damaged from absolutely garbage packing. not 1 piece of padding / paper filler. All 50 sets were tossed in the box and taped up.
Will be sending 21 back on the mints dime.
As for sales I have a feeling LOTS of returns are going to be heading back....
Booger9989, how do you ship it back to the usmint? Are you pay for shipping fees? Thank you
Call them and tell them you had issues. They will send you a prepaid label that you print. Either drop of at UPS or schedule a pickup
Positive BST Deals as a seller : Wondercoin, Chumlee, Jerster, Perry Hall , DMarks, MWK, drewsef, SoCalBigMark, Lakesammman, Nurmaler
Booger9989, how do you ship it back to the usmint? Are you pay for shipping fees? Thank you
Call them and tell them you had issues. They will send you a prepaid label that you print. Either drop of at UPS or schedule a pickup
Yup...or just do it online. I returned a couple of items a few months ago and found a link to request a return label. Email came quickly with a link to print the paid label...
Yup...or just do it online. I returned a couple of items a few months ago and found a link to request a return label. Email came quickly with a link to print the paid label...
There is a big red button on the bottom of each shipped "Order Summary" Page....
"return Items from this Order".. Like BigA said, The autogenerated email with postage paid shipping label is quick, and you can do it 24/7...... Fill it out then "Submit Return Request".
outside of the unknown "what will they do with damaged sets," I'm looking at still available 2 weekends from now
if anyone from coinworld or other numismatic press is reading this, it would be helpful to the public to know exactly how the mint is dealing with the broken returns.
I'd order a few sets for myself, but am now afraid I'd get some broken ones from the ANA kiosk or other customer returns.
I never could figure out what the big deal was with a mintage of 225,000. They are nice if you got one or two for your collection, but to flip, doesn't look like it.
@MsMorrisine said:
I wonder if these will still be on sale tomorrow
Yes they are...
There will be thousands more sets returned. I expect them to be available (possibly off and on) for awhile.
Maybe the flipper's are flippin'em back to the Mint because the flip isn't going to be as flippin easy as they flippin thought...
Yes?
Absoflippinlutely!
Thousands were ordered in the first 5 minutes (100 at a time) by buyers that were promised an immediate profit.
Then two days later, the promiser backs out of the deal... most of them are being returned.
@MsMorrisine said:
I wonder if these will still be on sale tomorrow
Yes they are...
There will be thousands more sets returned. I expect them to be available (possibly off and on) for awhile.
Maybe the flipper's are flippin'em back to the Mint because the flip isn't going to be as flippin easy as they flippin thought...
Yes?
Absoflippinlutely!
Thousands were ordered in the first 5 minutes (100 at a time) by buyers that were promised an immediate return.
Then two days later, the promiser backs out of the deal... most of them are being returned.
Well I ordered two right at noon, hopefully they will arrive undamaged.
Placed a second order next day w/ other products, hopefully this will arrive undamaged as well...
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Surely the smaller would be packaged better. The issue with the orders of 100 were that they were put in a box that was twice as big as necessary, and no padding or stuffing to secure them and reinforce the box.
Amazing to me that they shipped that way.
I've received small orders in the same manner as described above.
ie. no or very little packing material, items freely bouncing around.
I also complained to the Mint about this to no avail.
The Order Fulfilment Co. they are using, to put it plainly SUCKS.
Much better were the days when orders were shipped from Philly...
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
That is a shame. I'm sure they've done a cost-analysis, and weighed the savings against the returns.
Maybe this influx of returns will make them reassess, and do a more professional job in the future.
(yeah right)
It would appear that the US Mint should change their return policies. Of course, you retain the option to return sets that are flawed; that is simply good business. However, I think the Mint would be on solid ground if it eliminated massive returns. Certainly a customer who orders 100 of something and returns them all later is not returning them due to quality concerns. Refusing these kinds of returns would be in the Mint's best interest.
So if i ordered a 100 shirts and 20 of them have lose threads and the corners are coming apart. Should i just return the 20 and not the entire box of 100...so who is to say that the quality of the other 80 will not follow the 20 that just happened to have those defects? What if the my customers purchased the 80 and later on they would come apart like the other 20 in say a week or two or three . Then what about my business reputation?
Comments
Wondercoin, I mistakenly counted the two proofs from the 2014 four-coin silver set. The actual coins are, by my calculation:
2014 four-coin silver set (2 non-proof coins).
2014 clad set, obverse of 1964 (2 coins).
1998-S uncirculated (burnished?) silver.
And optionally, the 2014-W gold.
So that's five (or six) Kennedys with lower mintages than the 2017-S enhanced.
The two-coin clad set consists of major varieties rather than distinct dates/mintmarks, so some collectors will not include them in their sets. That would leave three (or four) non-proof Kennedys with lower mintages. The two with the most comparable mintages are the 2014 silver coins from the four-coin set. Each of these coins individually sells for $20 to $25.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
what about the other possibilities that people made just after yours?
I wonder if those ANA dealers will do returns at the end of the ANA if they do not sell.
I think these mintage figures may not include Kennedy halves issued in mint sets for these years.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
on sale for 27 hours 15 minutes. no sell out
possible returns from ANA dealers who did the bulk buy coming soon to a us mint web site near you.
Overdate... yes, that's more like it! Let's get rid of the gold (bullion) piece that melts for over $800. And, the clad coins are different as you noted. The 2014 coins had an identical 225,000 mintage, were sold by the Mint (if memory serves me right) into 2016 and now show a mintage I think of about 221,000 - give or take. There is no telling what the mintage on these 2017 coins will end up at, especially when factoring in returns. Not sure how the mint will treat the returns of 2017 open sets. Suffice it to say, these 2017 Enhanced Kennedy coins are pretty much on par with the 2014 Unc. Coins from the 4 pc. set in my view (I would not be surprised if the final mintage on either was higher or lower than the other). And, yes, those 2014 coins are worth $20-$25/coin raw. Would it be too surprising to see these 2017 Enhanced Kennedy coins trading, standalone, at roughly $13-$15/coin? And, if so, that leaves a lot of set left for the other $15-$17 remaining! A single dime and cent might cover that easily?
So, going with that thought, let's pencil in "hopeful" retail values moving forward for these 2017 enhanced coins as follows...
Cent... $10?
Nickel... $3?
Dime... $9?
Quarters... $2?
Half Dollar ... $13?
Sac Dollar ... $3?
Total... $40 breakup (hopeful guess) retail value.
Anyone think these estimated (hopeful guess) numbers are too far off for 2018 estimated retail values?
As always, just my two cents.
Wondercoin.
how do the dimes from march of dimes set compare in relative mintages and prices?
Okay, here's my take:
Cent... $15. We're in uncharted territory here, given that cents are very popular with collectors, this is both a lowest-mintage Lincoln and a unique-finish one, and cent collectors will be competing with collectors of the enhanced set as a whole. I think the cent (and the Kennedy half) will drive the breakup of at least half of the enhanced sets.
Nickel... $5. Not as popular as the cent, but still should carry a nice premium as the lowest-mintage Jefferson.
Dime... $5. Similar to the nickel. Compared to the higher-mintage 1996-W, this should be selling at a much higher price and might do so someday. The big variable is whether this and the other "enhanced uncirculated" coins will be accepted by collectors as part of their regular uncirculated sets.
Quarters... $2 (each), total of $10. Many collectors will be satisfied with the circulation-strike 2017-S quarters, and will not include these coins in their sets.
Half... $13. I agree with Wondercoin's estimate for this popular coin.
Dollar... $3. I agree here also, this is actually the fourth "enhanced" Native American dollar in as many years, and by far the highest mintage one.
So I arrive at a breakup value of at least $51 once the dust settles.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Mintage of 75,000 each for the silver 2015-W and 2015-P, but these are both proofs which are in a separate category. In general, proof versions of circulating coins have less collector demand than circulation strikes, and are priced accordingly.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
I pretty much agree with you in the same general ballpark on these prices. I'm not sure the nickel is the lowest-mintage Jefferson. Those special matte nickels dated 1994-P and 1997-P had mintages of about 167,000 and 25,000, respectively.
The only other thing to add: you say regarding the quarters: "Many collectors will be satisfied with the circulation-strike 2017-S quarters". The fact still remains that these enhanced coins are separate and visually obvious varieties intentionally produced by the Mint, and as such, are required if one is a completist in the Washington quarter series. Same thing goes for the other denominations. That's why I've guesstimated in my mind these sets ultimately settling in the $50 - 100 range.
The March of Dimes special set at 75,000 mintage is selling for under issue price.
ernie11 - the 1994-P and 1997-P matte nickels had circulation-strike counterparts, while the 2017-S does not. Completists will want all three, but those who collect by date and mintmark may be satisfied with just the 2017-S.
Same with the quarters: completists will want the 2017-S enhanced versions, while those who collect by date and mintmark may be satisfied with just the regular circulation strikes.
There will be a considerable number of collectors on both sides of this issue, and the success of the 2017-S enhanced set will hinge upon how many collectors feel the need to add these coins to their uncirculated sets. I think quite a few will want these coins for their uncirculated sets, and will be breaking up"enhanced" sets to obtain them.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Reflecting the relatively lower demand for proofs, as well as the relatively lower demand for Roosevelt dimes as a series, compared to other series such as Kennedy halves and Lincoln cents.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Sure wish we knew the sales total.
are we at 120,000 sold or 220,000 ?
Looks like two steps back for the Mint, this is shaping up to be a fiasco.
Interpretation of DealerSpeak: An esoteric discussion about possible flip price of a Clad set that, ultimately, no one really cares about.
That the Iowa Effigy Mound design is included, I'm from Iowa, worst design ever. Mint trying to help this design that nobdy has purchased.
Oh yeah, forgot to add, 225th Anniversary Enhanced Uncirculated Coin Set (17XC) is still "Add to Bag".
I hope the people at the ANA can get that info from the mint employees, as well as keeping an eye on returns from dealers at the ANA
I... like the dollar reverse quite a bit. Just me?
'The reverse features a likeness of Sequoyah writing "Sequoyah from Cherokee Nation" in syllabary.'
T. Whitmeyer
Front-end Developer, Collectors Universe
back to the coins...
I do like how the enhancement highlights the writing
1) I'm not a dealer.
2) Discussion is not esoteric, it is an easily understandable discussion about modern coinage.
3) We're discussing the post-flip price, after the flip mania has subsided.
4) Plenty of people care about the set, as shown for example by the number of posts in this and other threads.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
4) how many care about the flip and how many care about the set??
it's still for sale. sell out in minutes on the first day, but 7 hours and 15 minutes after 7:30 today and no sell out. plus these were going since yesterday at 7:30, so that is more like 31 hours and 15 minutes.
How will the EU set compare with the Satin Mint Sets from 2005-2010 as far as demand? These sets sell for about face to a few dollars above. The SMS sets do have higher mintages 584k + and are not as distinct as the 2017 EU set. The 2017 EU set are S mint opposed to the P&D mints of the SMS sets.
My Jefferson Registry:
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/191115
Coinworld still gathers info from the ANA:
coinworld: Sales of Enhanced Uncirculated Coin set were on, then off, then on again
So if you're at the ANA, they're back on sale.
Who is Eagle Eye Rare Coins, and are they here?
?
of course he posts here. He is Rick Snow of Snow variety fame for Fly-Ins. He also arm wrestles for deals with thePennyLady.
he even posted in this thread about the ANA sales
I was surprised to see that these are still available so I just ordered two: USM05221XXX. One is for my collection and I will put the other one up for bids at the next club auction.
Back in '68, a peso was worth 8.5 cents. Today, it's worth 5.5 cents. A gold $60 > @Overdate said:
Thanks for the post / correction!
buy gold sell the peso?
Mint cant pack a box correctly. Got my 50 today and almost 21 of the sets are damaged from absolutely garbage packing. not 1 piece of padding / paper filler. All 50 sets were tossed in the box and taped up.
Will be sending 21 back on the mints dime.
As for sales I have a feeling LOTS of returns are going to be heading back....
I'm guessing not a sell out until later next week.
longer if there are (saleable?) ANA returns.
another thing about the ANA to ask the mint employees: what will be done about the poor packing and shipping issues where customers at home are receiving a high number of damaged sets?
Just got an email alert for PCGS SP70 full EU set pre-order - $295
Booger9989, how do you ship it back to the usmint? Are you pay for shipping fees? Thank you
If that's from L&C, they've even got a cheaper set...
https://lccoins.com/2017-enhanced-uncirculated-coin-set/
Call them and tell them you had issues. They will send you a prepaid label that you print. Either drop of at UPS or schedule a pickup
Forgot add. The shipping fees are paid by the US Mint.
9PM CST sill available from US Mint.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Yup...or just do it online. I returned a couple of items a few months ago and found a link to request a return label. Email came quickly with a link to print the paid label...
There is a big red button on the bottom of each shipped "Order Summary" Page....
"return Items from this Order".. Like BigA said, The autogenerated email with postage paid shipping label is quick, and you can do it 24/7...... Fill it out then "Submit Return Request".
Not sure about Insurance though
(l8-)>>
still going
now expecting a cascade of returns from ebay flippers and returns
mystery will be what they do with broken returns and they are most likely a lens and box issue, both of which are easily replaced.
1-2017 Proof Set
1-2017 Uncirculated Set
1-2017 Enhanced Uncirculated Set (3)
1-2017 Burnished ASE
Order # USM052189XX / Shipped 3Aug17
AS of 7AM CST EU Set still available from US Mint...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Yes they are...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
There will be thousands more sets returned. I expect them to be available (possibly off and on) for awhile.
Successful transactions with Schmitz7, Bigbuck1975, chumley, CCHunter, Smittys, Gerard, Tookybandit, MorganMan94, LogPotato, coinlieutenant, GoldCoin98, pcgs69, Kccoin, ajaan, JBN, BLee23,....
outside of the unknown "what will they do with damaged sets," I'm looking at still available 2 weekends from now
if anyone from coinworld or other numismatic press is reading this, it would be helpful to the public to know exactly how the mint is dealing with the broken returns.
I'd order a few sets for myself, but am now afraid I'd get some broken ones from the ANA kiosk or other customer returns.
Maybe the flipper's are flippin'em back to the Mint because the flip isn't going to be as flippin easy as they flippin thought...
Yes?
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
I never could figure out what the big deal was with a mintage of 225,000. They are nice if you got one or two for your collection, but to flip, doesn't look like it.
Absoflippinlutely!
Thousands were ordered in the first 5 minutes (100 at a time) by buyers that were promised an immediate profit.
Then two days later, the promiser backs out of the deal... most of them are being returned.
Successful transactions with Schmitz7, Bigbuck1975, chumley, CCHunter, Smittys, Gerard, Tookybandit, MorganMan94, LogPotato, coinlieutenant, GoldCoin98, pcgs69, Kccoin, ajaan, JBN, BLee23,....
Well I ordered two right at noon, hopefully they will arrive undamaged.
Placed a second order next day w/ other products, hopefully this will arrive undamaged as well...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Surely the smaller would be packaged better. The issue with the orders of 100 were that they were put in a box that was twice as big as necessary, and no padding or stuffing to secure them and reinforce the box.
Amazing to me that they shipped that way.
Successful transactions with Schmitz7, Bigbuck1975, chumley, CCHunter, Smittys, Gerard, Tookybandit, MorganMan94, LogPotato, coinlieutenant, GoldCoin98, pcgs69, Kccoin, ajaan, JBN, BLee23,....
I've received small orders in the same manner as described above.
ie. no or very little packing material, items freely bouncing around.
I also complained to the Mint about this to no avail.
The Order Fulfilment Co. they are using, to put it plainly SUCKS.
Much better were the days when orders were shipped from Philly...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
That is a shame. I'm sure they've done a cost-analysis, and weighed the savings against the returns.
Maybe this influx of returns will make them reassess, and do a more professional job in the future.
(yeah right)
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It would appear that the US Mint should change their return policies. Of course, you retain the option to return sets that are flawed; that is simply good business. However, I think the Mint would be on solid ground if it eliminated massive returns. Certainly a customer who orders 100 of something and returns them all later is not returning them due to quality concerns. Refusing these kinds of returns would be in the Mint's best interest.
So if i ordered a 100 shirts and 20 of them have lose threads and the corners are coming apart. Should i just return the 20 and not the entire box of 100...so who is to say that the quality of the other 80 will not follow the 20 that just happened to have those defects? What if the my customers purchased the 80 and later on they would come apart like the other 20 in say a week or two or three . Then what about my business reputation?
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