There is one component to all of this that may not have sunk into the mainstream yet... I suspect the Badgers have an interest in winning this time based on the the last time they met OSU in the Big 10 championship game... Think about it for a moment
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
OSU -5.5 vs Wisconsin
Auburn -2.5 vs Georgia
Clemson -9 vs Miami
Oklahoma -7 vs TCU
USC -2.5 vs Stanford
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Maybe I missed something watching the second quarter, but I thought Barrett was on the field when OSU came back in the second quarter which kept them in the game. Does he have the arm of Joe Germaine? Not even close on that comparison. But there is a fear factor Barrett has that will work the majority of the time. Michigan seemed unable to control the ball in the second half the way they did in the first quarter and part of the second quarter. The way to beat OSU is ball control.
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You didn't miss anything. It was 14-14 at half. OSU was losing 20-14 when he went out of the game
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I guess I am showing my bias and ignorance... I see the USC -Stanford game as likely the most entertaining even tough it is the least relevant of the five games. Likely high scoring with the winning team scoring over 35 and the looser scoring at least 28 if not 31. I see the Badgers winning but it is going to be more of a chess match than an offensive show down. Not sure about the other two. Perhaps loosing a game late in the season builds character...
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@coinkat said:
There is one component to all of this that may not have sunk into the mainstream yet... I suspect the Badgers have an interest in winning this time based on the the last time they met OSU in the Big 10 championship game... Think about it for a moment
I've thought of that quite a bit. I expect Wisconsin to come out with guns blazing , same as Michigan did.
It's almost like an 8 team playoff since 8 of the top 10 play each other this week. Alabama has a bye. The committee may decide to replace one of the winners with them.
@garnettstyle said:
You do realize the buckeyes have the fourth rated offense in college football, and Barrett is the main reason why.
It's hard to shake the memories of the 4 INTs vs Iowa and the inconsistenties and missed passes in the big games. The Buckeyes run the ball well and so does Barrett. No knock on him there at all. Another great systems QB. Born to play at QB OSU and nowhere else at any level. Pryor, Miller, Jones, Barrett the list goes on. OSU does this so well. Have to give great credit to them.
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Even your boy Tom Brady has thrown four interceptions. Six different games in fact. He too lost to the buckeyes LOL. That means Barrett has a better record than Tom Brady.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
@Justacommeman said:
Barnett as everyone knows isn't a big game quarterback
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His record in big games.
Michigan - 4-0
Michigan state - 3-1
Penn state - 3-1
Oklahoma - 1-1
Wisconsin - 1-0
Notre Dame - 1-0
Clemson 0-1
13-4
You forgot Iowa,
And that's all I said. He did play in that Iowa game right? At least he finished that game. All I know is that he had 30 yards passing on Saturday and was losing when he left. Just sorry so couldnt have stuck around. It was a great win for his back up.
All I know is he didn't play well against Oklahoma or Iowa this year and was 3-8 for 30 yards on a Saturday. His back up had that on one drive. I'm sure he was plenty good in other games. He's a really good player.
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@garnettstyle said:
You do realize the buckeyes have the fourth rated offense in college football, and Barrett is the main reason why.
It's hard to shake the memories of the 4 INTs vs Iowa and the inconsistenties and missed passes in the big games. The Buckeyes run the ball well and so does Barrett. No knock on him there at all. Another great systems QB. Born to play at QB OSU and nowhere else at any level. Pryor, Miller, Jones, Barrett the list goes on. OSU does this so well. Have to give great credit to them.
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Even your boy Tom Brady has thrown four interceptions. Six different games in fact. He too lost to the buckeyes LOL. That means Barrett has a better record than Tom Brady.
The difference is that he did that in the pro's. That is something Barrett wont have to worry about
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I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
@fergie23 said:
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
No, it's different this year because historical precedents only matter when they favor OSU. Otherwise they are to be ignored.
@fergie23 said:
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
Gift spot? OSU last year had the resume. 4 top 25 wins. BAMA doesn't.
Apples and oranges.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I'm pretty sure 31-0 showed that it was a gift spot and undeserved. You can't talk away the scoreboard after all.
Unfortunately you can't hide the 55-24 thrashing by a mediocre Iowa team. Just like Penn State couldn't overcome getting crushed by Michigan last year. Based on last year a Big Ten championship isn't worth very much in the eyes of the committee if you have two losses. OSU has one good win this year against Penn State, at home by a single point. Even if they beat an untested Wisconsin that will not make up for 2 terrible losses.
OSU is this year's Penn State, if they can manage to beat Wisconsin.
@fergie23 said:
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
Gift spot? OSU last year had the resume. 4 top 25 wins. BAMA doesn't.
Apples and oranges.
Resume? Resume for what, a 31-0 thrashing. OSU should have never been considered, the 31-0 score proved that.
Garnett, I'll be pulling for OSU this weekend, don't let us down.... ...Go Buckeyes !!!
@fergie23 said:
I'm pretty sure 31-0 showed that it was a gift spot and undeserved. You can't talk away the scoreboard after all.
Unfortunately you can't hide the 55-24 thrashing by a mediocre Iowa team. Just like Penn State couldn't overcome getting crushed by Michigan last year. Based on last year a Big Ten championship isn't worth very much in the eyes of the committee if you have two losses. OSU has one good win this year against Penn State, at home by a single point. Even if they beat an untested Wisconsin that will not make up for 2 terrible losses.
OSU is this year's Penn State, if they can manage to beat Wisconsin.
Robb
I'm seriously enjoying this. You are saving me so much typing. It's like taking the day off at work
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@fergie23 said:
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
Gift spot? OSU last year had the resume. 4 top 25 wins. BAMA doesn't.
Apples and oranges.
Resume? Resume for what, a 31-0 thrashing. OSU should have never been considered, the 31-0 score proved that.
Garnett, I'll be pulling for OSU this weekend, don't let us down.... ...Go Buckeyes !!!
Funny. Ohio State fans should have been rooting for Alabama last Saturday and now Alabama fans are rooting for Ohio State this week. As a sports fan I would much prefer Alabama over Ohio State this year if it comes down to those two battling for the last playoff spot. Should be a fun weekend.
The committee does have to be somewhat leery of putting in teams that aren't going to be competitive. OSU's last two out of conference big games resulting in a pair of b slappings. Clemson and Oklahoma. That's before we even get to the Iowa fiasco. The Big Ten was supposed to have the best conference the past two years and yet they didn't score a single point in the playoffs. That doesn't bode well. Wisconsin really needs to win Saturday
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@Justacommeman said:
The committee does have to be somewhat leery of putting in teams that aren't going to be competitive. OSU's last two out of conference big games resulting in a pair of b slappings. Clemson and Oklahoma. That's before we even get to the Iowa fiasco. The Big Ten was supposed to have the best conference the past two years and yet they didn't score a single point in the playoffs. That doesn't bode well. Wisconsin really needs to win Saturday
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the bowl/playoff games debacles are because of the unfair advantage when games are played in sunny places down south. The guys from the Big 10 are confused by the yellow thing in the sky... or whatever that theory is. Lol.
@fergie23 said:
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
No, it's different this year because historical precedents only matter when they favor OSU. Otherwise they are to be ignored.
Here is another one for you. We have heard now over and over how the computers had OSU number 4 in 2015 even though they didn't even make the B1G Champsionship Game. . The CURRENT composite computer poll has....... Wait for it.............. Alabama #1 even woth one loss.
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@Justacommeman said:
The committee does have to be somewhat leery of putting in teams that aren't going to be competitive. OSU's last two out of conference big games resulting in a pair of b slappings. Clemson and Oklahoma. That's before we even get to the Iowa fiasco. The Big Ten was supposed to have the best conference the past two years and yet they didn't score a single point in the playoffs. That doesn't bode well. Wisconsin really needs to win Saturday
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the bowl/playoff games debacles are because of the unfair advantage when games are played in sunny places down south. The guys from the Big 10 are confused by the yellow thing in the sky... or whatever that theory is. Lol.
Well last year Clemson blanked OSU 31-0 in Arizona. I just Wazed it. No matter which route I take Columbus is closer then Clemson. Ironically one route from South Carolina to Arizona takes me right though Columus after about 11 hours.
Larry, trust most B1G fans don't whine about playing in the sun. We just wear it as a badge of honor when we travel. The sun is not something to trifle with
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Actually it didn't end well for urban meyer.He's losing it
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Despite Urban Meyer's statement that he would find out which photographer clipped J.T. Barrett's knee on the sideline, there will not be an investigation into that media member's identity.
Instead, a pending investigation to be conducted by the Big Ten Conference will look into what led to the Ohio State quarterback getting injured before last Saturday's 31-20 win over Michigan.
"We're not doing a full-blown investigation to find the photographer," Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said Monday, via ESPN. "The conference office asked us for our account of what happened. The conference office is gathering data. That's the extent of it.
"The outcome of it will ultimately be improved operations. There's no attempt to try and find a person. The attempt is to find out what happened, what corrective measures we need to put in place. Urban has decided, which I agree with, that we have too many inside the box."
Barrett left the win over Michigan in the third quarter with a knee injury that angered Meyer so much, the Buckeyes coach demanded to know who injured his quarterback before the game even started.
"I'm upset with myself on J.T. Barrett. Non-football injury. Guy with a camera on side hit J.T. in knee pregame," Meyer told reporters after the game. "Someone on your freaking sideline hurt the QB. Major college football. I'm so damn angry. I'll find out who that was."
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@Justacommeman said:
The committee does have to be somewhat leery of putting in teams that aren't going to be competitive. OSU's last two out of conference big games resulting in a pair of b slappings. Clemson and Oklahoma. That's before we even get to the Iowa fiasco. The Big Ten was supposed to have the best conference the past two years and yet they didn't score a single point in the playoffs. That doesn't bode well. Wisconsin really needs to win Saturday
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the bowl/playoff games debacles are because of the unfair advantage when games are played in sunny places down south. The guys from the Big 10 are confused by the yellow thing in the sky... or whatever that theory is. Lol.
Well last year Clemson blanked OSU 31-0 in Arizona.
Ask the committee if last year has anything to do with this year.
How many times has your wolverines been in the playoffs? Buckeyes losing bad to Clemson and Iowa really makes your team look bad because you lose EVERY year to that team. Lol
Alabama finally was tested on Saturday and failed miserably. Wisconsin, win or lose Saturday is just as deserving as Bama.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
@fergie23 said:
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
No, it's different this year because historical precedents only matter when they favor OSU. Otherwise they are to be ignored.
Here is another one for you. We have heard now over and over how the computers had OSU number 4 in 2015 even though they didn't even make the B1G Champsionship Game. . The CURRENT composite computer poll has....... Wait for it.............. Alabama #1 even woth one loss.
Michigan has the all-time advantage in the UM-OSU rivalry 58-49-6. No question that OSU has done better over the past 10 years or so. While winning is important, the game itself cannot be overlooked on many other levels. I remember the OSU win in 1968 in Columbus. The Buckeyes scored a TD in the 4th quarter to go up 48-14. Hayes was quoted on the decision to go for 2 paraphrasing... We went for 2 because we could not go for three. It sorta begs the question... Who does that? And part of the answer can be found in the bitterness of the rivalry. So OSU beat Michigan that year 50-14. The following year Michigan beat OSU 24-12 which was probably the greatest upset in the series. And even that would create controversy as the old timers would argue it was Michigan's 9-3 win in the famous snow bowl played in Columbus in 1950. Funny thing that year was Northwestern upset Illinois the same day and that Michigan team was then able to goes to the Rosebowl to play Cal. And to finish the story, Michigan again pulled an upset defeating Cal 14-6. These examples illustrate why the game is what it is.
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as to the photographer induced injury, let's take a trip down my memory lane...............................
from about 1965-1974 I had a season pass for the Cleveland Browns. I remember being at a game, I think it was MNF. back then they would lay sheets of 4x8 plywood along both sides of the field behind the benches and a golf-cart type deal with a camera did some of the filming. they also had some stationary game cameras, the big old-school TV kind that can be seen in some movies from the day.
Gary Collins ran a sideline pattern, caught a pass and was forced out of bounds with his head lowered. as he was slowing down and starting to look up he ran into the camera lens with the crown of his helmet!!! the lens cracked and the helmet split, but Collins was only shaken up.
Classic old-school NFL action!!!!
I'm pretty sure 31-0 showed that it was a gift spot and undeserved.
there are still CFB fans who can't accept that OSU was given a spot the last time they played Wisconsin in the Big 10 Championship. they are mainly from TCU who was left out and Oregon/Alabama who got destroyed in the playoffs. I tend to accept that the Committee gets the right Teams in the top four. sometimes one of the Teams is just superior to the other. such was that 31-0 thrashing. let's face it, Clemson would have destroyed whoever they played.
Clemson did beat Alabama for the Championship, right??
I love the historical posts. Great info. One of my first football memories was UCLA v. Ohio State in the Rose Bowl around 1975/1976. I was about 7. Watching at my cousin's house, playing catch in the back yard at halftime, and the good guys won. I remember like it was yesterday.
Keets, Clemson didn't destroy Alabama so it is curious that you would claim Clemson would have destroyed whoever they played. They didn't crush Auburn, or Louisville, or Florida State, or Pitt, or Virginia Tech. They played a team (OSU) that didn't belong in the CFP and it showed. That said I think allowing OSU in last year instead of the Big Ten champion (who beat OSU head to head) opens the door for Alabama over OSU in the CFP this year. Will be fun to see how it all shakes out.
@larryallen73 said:
I have never heard of Massey computer rankings but FWIW it shows:
Wisconsin
Clemson
Alabama
Georgia
Auburn
Oklahoma
Penn State
Ohio State
UCF
Miami
Three out of the top 5 are SEC which is impressive. I like that UCF gets some top 10 love too.
Massey is the consensus of the overall computers and polls. Sagerin and ESPN are about 1/50th of the equation. thus giving you a better over all picture.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Garnett, your poll shows Miss State @ #25 and Iowa @ #26.
How can you make fun of Bama for barely beating # 25 Miss State when OSU lost to # 26 Iowa?
Can you explain that?
Go Buckeyes my Buckeye Brother, we better beat Wisconsin !!
I just hope our Coach Schiano hasn't been too distracted this week with the Tennessee disaster.
Garnett, your poll shows Miss State @ #25 and Iowa @ #26.
How can you make fun of Bama for barely beating # 25 Miss State when OSU lost to # 26 Iowa?
Can you explain that?
Go Buckeyes my Buckeye Brother, we better beat Wisconsin !!
I just hope our Coach Schiano hasn't been too distracted this week with the Tennessee disaster.
You are making me laugh Bull. That is a nice break from work.
Should be a good game. I would be interested in a poll of Americans who would you rather have in the playoffs: bama, OSU or Wisconsin. I bet the results would be in that order. Not saying who is better, who "should" be in, or anything else. Just as far as Americans interest in the playoff I have to imagine Wisconsin is of the least interest. Clemson, as defending champ, is interesting, Oklahoma as a historic power, Auburn or UGA as winner of SEC and then 'bama. That makes a good playoff in my mind.
reading comprehension can sometimes be a challenge here.
I never said Clemson "destroyed" Alabama, I said that Clemson "destroyed" Ohio State. if you put on your thinking cap it should be clear by extension that I was saying Clemson would have "destroyed" whoever they played that weekend. you might not agree with me, but that is what I was saying, it had nothing to do with Alabama.
** I remember the OSU win in 1968 in Columbus. The Buckeyes scored a TD in the 4th quarter to go up 48-14. Hayes was quoted on the decision to go for 2 paraphrasing... We went for 2 because we could not go for three. It sorta begs the question... Who does that? **
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@Justacommeman said:
The committee does have to be somewhat leery of putting in teams that aren't going to be competitive. OSU's last two out of conference big games resulting in a pair of b slappings. Clemson and Oklahoma. That's before we even get to the Iowa fiasco. The Big Ten was supposed to have the best conference the past two years and yet they didn't score a single point in the playoffs. That doesn't bode well. Wisconsin really needs to win Saturday
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the bowl/playoff games debacles are because of the unfair advantage when games are played in sunny places down south. The guys from the Big 10 are confused by the yellow thing in the sky... or whatever that theory is. Lol.
Well last year Clemson blanked OSU 31-0 in Arizona.
Ask the committee if last year has anything to do with this year.
How many times has your wolverines been in the playoffs? Buckeyes losing bad to Clemson and Iowa really makes your team look bad because you lose EVERY year to that team. Lol
Alabama finally was tested on Saturday and failed miserably. Wisconsin, win or lose Saturday is just as deserving as Bama.
1) you are always bringing up seasons past. Like in, " how can they leave out a 11-1 defending National Champion".
2) I remember losing 14-13 at Iowa last year and it cost us dearly. That win would have put Michigan in a 3 way tie with OSU and PSU. So yes it hurt. But I certainly don't ever remember losing 55-24 to them. Ever. 55 points? Really? That should and will cost OSU. You were quick to LOL and point out Penn State destroying Michigan (which they did). The beat down OSU took was worse. It was Iowa for goodness sakes.
3) OSU may find a way to sneak into the 4th spot but no way are they one of the fourth best or deserving teams out there based on their losses and eye test. They just aren't.
Do you really think that the committee would put a #4 OSU vs a #1 Clemson? Yuck
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Big Ten and SEC with 5 teams and the ACC and PAC 12 with 4 teams. Pretty even
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I watched the ESPN rankings show and two items caught my attention:
Vegas odds makers favored Alabama over any of the other top 8 teams if they played.
The smallest spread was Alabama -1 vs Ohio State.
The greatest spread was Alabama -12 vs Miami. (Vegas recognizes that Alabama and Ohio
State are favorites of the bettors.)
And, they seemed to think that if Miami beats Clemson in a close game,
both ACC teams get in. But, if Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Auburn win, who gets displaced?
It would be Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Auburn, and Miami. Clemson would not get in. I realize last year is supposed to have no bearing on this year but my belief is if a defending champion is being considered against another team and it is flip a coin close I think the defending Champ should have the chance to defend. It should count for just a little.
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There is one component to all of this that may not have sunk into the mainstream yet... I suspect the Badgers have an interest in winning this time based on the the last time they met OSU in the Big 10 championship game... Think about it for a moment
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Early lines
OSU -5.5 vs Wisconsin
Auburn -2.5 vs Georgia
Clemson -9 vs Miami
Oklahoma -7 vs TCU
USC -2.5 vs Stanford
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Maybe I missed something watching the second quarter, but I thought Barrett was on the field when OSU came back in the second quarter which kept them in the game. Does he have the arm of Joe Germaine? Not even close on that comparison. But there is a fear factor Barrett has that will work the majority of the time. Michigan seemed unable to control the ball in the second half the way they did in the first quarter and part of the second quarter. The way to beat OSU is ball control.
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You didn't miss anything. It was 14-14 at half. OSU was losing 20-14 when he went out of the game
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I guess I am showing my bias and ignorance... I see the USC -Stanford game as likely the most entertaining even tough it is the least relevant of the five games. Likely high scoring with the winning team scoring over 35 and the looser scoring at least 28 if not 31. I see the Badgers winning but it is going to be more of a chess match than an offensive show down. Not sure about the other two. Perhaps loosing a game late in the season builds character...
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My predicted winners:
Auburn
Clemson
TCU
Ohio State
USC
I've thought of that quite a bit. I expect Wisconsin to come out with guns blazing , same as Michigan did.
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It's almost like an 8 team playoff since 8 of the top 10 play each other this week. Alabama has a bye. The committee may decide to replace one of the winners with them.
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Ralph
Even your boy Tom Brady has thrown four interceptions. Six different games in fact. He too lost to the buckeyes LOL. That means Barrett has a better record than Tom Brady.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
His record in big games.
Michigan - 4-0
Michigan state - 3-1
Penn state - 3-1
Oklahoma - 1-1
Wisconsin - 1-0
Notre Dame - 1-0
Clemson 0-1
13-4
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
You forgot Iowa,
And that's all I said. He did play in that Iowa game right? At least he finished that game. All I know is that he had 30 yards passing on Saturday and was losing when he left. Just sorry so couldnt have stuck around. It was a great win for his back up.
All I know is he didn't play well against Oklahoma or Iowa this year and was 3-8 for 30 yards on a Saturday. His back up had that on one drive. I'm sure he was plenty good in other games. He's a really good player.
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The difference is that he did that in the pro's. That is something Barrett wont have to worry about
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the only negative I can see with Alabama is that they have some significant injuries right now, injuries that will be trouble going forward.
the only negative I can see with Ohio State is if Barrett starts on Saturday.
to me it looks like SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Big 10.
I propose next season the thread be called "College Football 2018 (OHIO State and everybody else)"
I am pretty sure Ohio State set the blueprint last year for bypassing a conference champion in favor of a 1 loss team. Hopefully OSU wins against Wisconsin and Alabama gets into the college football playoffs instead of OSU. That would be poetic justice after OSU was given a gift spot in the CFP last year. OSU just isn't good enough with two bad losses compared to a one loss Alabama.
I am pretty sure you can dig up garnettstyle's arguments from last year and simply apply them to Alabama instead of OSU this year.
Robb
No, it's different this year because historical precedents only matter when they favor OSU. Otherwise they are to be ignored.
Gift spot? OSU last year had the resume. 4 top 25 wins. BAMA doesn't.
Apples and oranges.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I'm pretty sure 31-0 showed that it was a gift spot and undeserved. You can't talk away the scoreboard after all.
Unfortunately you can't hide the 55-24 thrashing by a mediocre Iowa team. Just like Penn State couldn't overcome getting crushed by Michigan last year. Based on last year a Big Ten championship isn't worth very much in the eyes of the committee if you have two losses. OSU has one good win this year against Penn State, at home by a single point. Even if they beat an untested Wisconsin that will not make up for 2 terrible losses.
OSU is this year's Penn State, if they can manage to beat Wisconsin.
Robb
Resume? Resume for what, a 31-0 thrashing. OSU should have never been considered, the 31-0 score proved that.
Garnett, I'll be pulling for OSU this weekend, don't let us down....
...Go Buckeyes !!!
I'm seriously enjoying this. You are saving me so much typing. It's like taking the day off at work
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Funny. Ohio State fans should have been rooting for Alabama last Saturday and now Alabama fans are rooting for Ohio State this week. As a sports fan I would much prefer Alabama over Ohio State this year if it comes down to those two battling for the last playoff spot. Should be a fun weekend.
The committee does have to be somewhat leery of putting in teams that aren't going to be competitive. OSU's last two out of conference big games resulting in a pair of b slappings. Clemson and Oklahoma. That's before we even get to the Iowa fiasco. The Big Ten was supposed to have the best conference the past two years and yet they didn't score a single point in the playoffs. That doesn't bode well. Wisconsin really needs to win Saturday
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the bowl/playoff games debacles are because of the unfair advantage when games are played in sunny places down south. The guys from the Big 10 are confused by the yellow thing in the sky... or whatever that theory is. Lol.
Yes... I suppose some of us are looking forward to the age of Copernicus. There is much to look forward to.
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Here is another one for you. We have heard now over and over how the computers had OSU number 4 in 2015 even though they didn't even make the B1G Champsionship Game. . The CURRENT composite computer poll has....... Wait for it.............. Alabama #1 even woth one loss.
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Well last year Clemson blanked OSU 31-0 in Arizona. I just Wazed it. No matter which route I take Columbus is closer then Clemson. Ironically one route from South Carolina to Arizona takes me right though Columus after about 11 hours.
Larry, trust most B1G fans don't whine about playing in the sun. We just wear it as a badge of honor when we travel. The sun is not something to trifle with
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Actually it didn't end well for urban meyer.He's losing it
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Despite Urban Meyer's statement that he would find out which photographer clipped J.T. Barrett's knee on the sideline, there will not be an investigation into that media member's identity.
Instead, a pending investigation to be conducted by the Big Ten Conference will look into what led to the Ohio State quarterback getting injured before last Saturday's 31-20 win over Michigan.
"We're not doing a full-blown investigation to find the photographer," Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said Monday, via ESPN. "The conference office asked us for our account of what happened. The conference office is gathering data. That's the extent of it.
"The outcome of it will ultimately be improved operations. There's no attempt to try and find a person. The attempt is to find out what happened, what corrective measures we need to put in place. Urban has decided, which I agree with, that we have too many inside the box."
Barrett left the win over Michigan in the third quarter with a knee injury that angered Meyer so much, the Buckeyes coach demanded to know who injured his quarterback before the game even started.
"I'm upset with myself on J.T. Barrett. Non-football injury. Guy with a camera on side hit J.T. in knee pregame," Meyer told reporters after the game. "Someone on your freaking sideline hurt the QB. Major college football. I'm so damn angry. I'll find out who that was."
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Ask the committee if last year has anything to do with this year.
How many times has your wolverines been in the playoffs? Buckeyes losing bad to Clemson and Iowa really makes your team look bad because you lose EVERY year to that team. Lol
Alabama finally was tested on Saturday and failed miserably. Wisconsin, win or lose Saturday is just as deserving as Bama.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Nope....WISCONSIN is #1
Your Wolverines are #22.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Michigan has the all-time advantage in the UM-OSU rivalry 58-49-6. No question that OSU has done better over the past 10 years or so. While winning is important, the game itself cannot be overlooked on many other levels. I remember the OSU win in 1968 in Columbus. The Buckeyes scored a TD in the 4th quarter to go up 48-14. Hayes was quoted on the decision to go for 2 paraphrasing... We went for 2 because we could not go for three. It sorta begs the question... Who does that? And part of the answer can be found in the bitterness of the rivalry. So OSU beat Michigan that year 50-14. The following year Michigan beat OSU 24-12 which was probably the greatest upset in the series. And even that would create controversy as the old timers would argue it was Michigan's 9-3 win in the famous snow bowl played in Columbus in 1950. Funny thing that year was Northwestern upset Illinois the same day and that Michigan team was then able to goes to the Rosebowl to play Cal. And to finish the story, Michigan again pulled an upset defeating Cal 14-6. These examples illustrate why the game is what it is.
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I admit I was not one of the 7,000,000 at the shoe to watch the snow bowl.
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as to the photographer induced injury, let's take a trip down my memory lane...............................
from about 1965-1974 I had a season pass for the Cleveland Browns. I remember being at a game, I think it was MNF. back then they would lay sheets of 4x8 plywood along both sides of the field behind the benches and a golf-cart type deal with a camera did some of the filming. they also had some stationary game cameras, the big old-school TV kind that can be seen in some movies from the day.
Gary Collins ran a sideline pattern, caught a pass and was forced out of bounds with his head lowered. as he was slowing down and starting to look up he ran into the camera lens with the crown of his helmet!!! the lens cracked and the helmet split, but Collins was only shaken up.
Classic old-school NFL action!!!!
I'm pretty sure 31-0 showed that it was a gift spot and undeserved.
there are still CFB fans who can't accept that OSU was given a spot the last time they played Wisconsin in the Big 10 Championship. they are mainly from TCU who was left out and Oregon/Alabama who got destroyed in the playoffs. I tend to accept that the Committee gets the right Teams in the top four. sometimes one of the Teams is just superior to the other. such was that 31-0 thrashing. let's face it, Clemson would have destroyed whoever they played.
Clemson did beat Alabama for the Championship, right??
I love the historical posts. Great info. One of my first football memories was UCLA v. Ohio State in the Rose Bowl around 1975/1976. I was about 7. Watching at my cousin's house, playing catch in the back yard at halftime, and the good guys won. I remember like it was yesterday.
Keets, Clemson didn't destroy Alabama so it is curious that you would claim Clemson would have destroyed whoever they played. They didn't crush Auburn, or Louisville, or Florida State, or Pitt, or Virginia Tech. They played a team (OSU) that didn't belong in the CFP and it showed. That said I think allowing OSU in last year instead of the Big Ten champion (who beat OSU head to head) opens the door for Alabama over OSU in the CFP this year. Will be fun to see how it all shakes out.
Robb
The only computer poll I have heard of is Sagarin since it's in USA Today. FWIW:
1 Alabama A = 98.34 11 1 72.09( 54) 0 1 | 2 1 | 99.01 1 | 99.42 1 | 96.40 4
2 Clemson A = 95.51 11 1 76.31( 11) 1 0 | 5 0 | 94.48 4 | 95.51 2 | 96.85 3
3 Auburn A = 95.45 10 2 75.99( 15) 2 1 | 3 2 | 93.61 6 | 94.89 3 | 99.15 1
4 Penn State A = 94.96 10 2 73.09( 45) 0 1 | 3 2 | 96.67 2 | 94.69 5 | 92.47 6
5 Wisconsin A = 94.66 12 0 71.07( 61) 0 0 | 3 0 | 93.25 7 | 94.30 7 | 97.09 2
6 Ohio State A = 94.40 10 2 73.49( 42) 1 1 | 3 2 | 96.13 3 | 94.71 4 | 91.59 8
7 Oklahoma A = 93.59 11 1 74.05( 36) 2 0 | 4 1 | 91.74 9 | 94.36 6 | 96.13 5
8 Georgia A = 93.31 11 1 72.73( 48) 0 1 | 2 1 | 93.86 5 | 92.62 8 | 92.43 7
9 Washington A = 90.62 10 2 71.63( 57) 0 0 | 1 1 | 92.26 8 | 91.11 9 | 87.78 14
10 TCU A = 88.35
I have never heard of Massey computer rankings but FWIW it shows:
Wisconsin
Clemson
Alabama
Georgia
Auburn
Oklahoma
Penn State
Ohio State
UCF
Miami
Three out of the top 5 are SEC which is impressive. I like that UCF gets some top 10 love too.
Massey is the consensus of the overall computers and polls. Sagerin and ESPN are about 1/50th of the equation. thus giving you a better over all picture.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Yep, I'm getting a better overall picture, thanks for the poll.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
Garnett, your poll shows Miss State @ #25 and Iowa @ #26.
How can you make fun of Bama for barely beating # 25 Miss State when OSU lost to # 26 Iowa?
Can you explain that?
Go Buckeyes my Buckeye Brother, we better beat Wisconsin !!
I just hope our Coach Schiano hasn't been too distracted this week with the Tennessee disaster.
You are making me laugh Bull. That is a nice break from work.
Should be a good game. I would be interested in a poll of Americans who would you rather have in the playoffs: bama, OSU or Wisconsin. I bet the results would be in that order. Not saying who is better, who "should" be in, or anything else. Just as far as Americans interest in the playoff I have to imagine Wisconsin is of the least interest. Clemson, as defending champ, is interesting, Oklahoma as a historic power, Auburn or UGA as winner of SEC and then 'bama. That makes a good playoff in my mind.
Keets, Clemson didn't destroy Alabama
reading comprehension can sometimes be a challenge here.
I never said Clemson "destroyed" Alabama, I said that Clemson "destroyed" Ohio State. if you put on your thinking cap it should be clear by extension that I was saying Clemson would have "destroyed" whoever they played that weekend. you might not agree with me, but that is what I was saying, it had nothing to do with Alabama.
does that clear it up??
** I remember the OSU win in 1968 in Columbus. The Buckeyes scored a TD in the 4th quarter to go up 48-14. Hayes was quoted on the decision to go for 2 paraphrasing... We went for 2 because we could not go for three. It sorta begs the question... Who does that? **
@larryallen73
The reason you haven't heard of them is because this is what "computer models" make up the Massey ratings:
J-Train
Oscar
Pi- Rate
ARGH
Laz Dude
Payne
Round table
Howell
Coffey
Mangel
I'm not making this up
mark
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1) you are always bringing up seasons past. Like in, " how can they leave out a 11-1 defending National Champion".
2) I remember losing 14-13 at Iowa last year and it cost us dearly. That win would have put Michigan in a 3 way tie with OSU and PSU. So yes it hurt. But I certainly don't ever remember losing 55-24 to them. Ever. 55 points? Really? That should and will cost OSU. You were quick to LOL and point out Penn State destroying Michigan (which they did). The beat down OSU took was worse. It was Iowa for goodness sakes.
3) OSU may find a way to sneak into the 4th spot but no way are they one of the fourth best or deserving teams out there based on their losses and eye test. They just aren't.
Do you really think that the committee would put a #4 OSU vs a #1 Clemson? Yuck
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The only poll that matters now. CFP released:
Big Ten and SEC with 5 teams and the ACC and PAC 12 with 4 teams. Pretty even
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Keets, Clemson played an inferior team and did well. There was nothing special about that night it was the opponent.
Instead of a thinking cap you should simply articulate your thoughts more clearly.
Robb
A minimum of three of the top 8 are guaranteed to lose this weekend. The playoffs are on now...well... almost.
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I watched the ESPN rankings show and two items caught my attention:
Vegas odds makers favored Alabama over any of the other top 8 teams if they played.
The smallest spread was Alabama -1 vs Ohio State.
The greatest spread was Alabama -12 vs Miami. (Vegas recognizes that Alabama and Ohio
State are favorites of the bettors.)
And, they seemed to think that if Miami beats Clemson in a close game,
both ACC teams get in. But, if Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Auburn win, who gets displaced?
It would be Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Auburn, and Miami. Clemson would not get in. I realize last year is supposed to have no bearing on this year but my belief is if a defending champion is being considered against another team and it is flip a coin close I think the defending Champ should have the chance to defend. It should count for just a little.
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