**We know what Clemson/OSU looks like. We know what Alabama/Clemson looks like. I think it may come down to the last play **
Mark, we know what those games looked like last year, they are sure to be different this year. I also wonder about the validity of "the best four Teams" followed by "the committee did their job" regarding who the four Teams should be. they render the importance of the Conference Championships moot. that's the fault of last year's choice. in hindsight, maybe since there are five Conferences and only four spots that should be where the committee "does their job and picks the four best Teams" for the playoff.
whatever happens going forward there should be some importance placed on the Conference Champions being the Teams who play, not some random agreement by a group which is probably not unanimous.
I think the potential worst fallout from this is that the SEC Championship has already been decided, now it may be decided again. that doesn't make sense.
I respectfully disagree keets. Last year they set precedence by taking a non champion in OSU. This year they set another precedent by taking two teams from the same conference. The playoff format is relatively new. There are no "rules". Getting the right four teams is their only job. I think they did just fine.
As fans we get a Clemson/Alabama National Championship game rematch in the first round. Last year was a classic. I can only hope we get another. No guarentee to your point. I can see why OSU fans wouldn't like it. I really do.
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Alabama has not played Georgia. The problem is the NCAA has allowed mega conferences with all members unable to play each other. If there is going to be a 12 game schedule, limit the size of a conference to 10. And each member is required to schedule the other 9. That leaves 3 non conference games. There can be a rotating match ups, top to bottom, among the conferences for two of the three and the one other game can be against whoever. Expand the power conferences from 5 to 8 and the playoffs to 8 teams. This could easily be done...
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@coinkat said:
Alabama has not played Georgia. The problem is the NCAA has allowed mega conferences with all members unable to play each other. If there is going to be a 12 game schedule, limit the size of a conference to 10. And each member is required to schedule the other 9. That leaves 3 non conference games. There can be a rotating match ups, top to bottom, among the conferences for two of the three and the one other game can be against whoever. Expand the power conferences from 5 to 8 and the playoffs to 8 teams. This could easily be done...
There are many reasons why this isn't feasible. Just one of them is the Big Ten Network which is a monster revenue producer. Teams were seduced into the Big Ten for this very reason. That train has left the station. It's more likely that the B1G will expand to 16.
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@larryallen73 said:
After yesterday I was pretty sure of the four and the matchups. I didn't know who would be 2 or 3 but was pretty sure Clemson at 1 and 'bama at 4. If Ohio State would have made it that would have been fine too. However, that 31 point beating dragged them down. Any non-delusional person could see that. It was probably a close decision but Alabama is the more popular team, there is an SEC bias, and I think Alabama wins the eye test for most (outside of people around Ohio). It's not a surprise at all. As stated if it had gone the other way I'd have no complaint about it as OSU was good but not there. Plus, a lackluster win against a marginal Wisconsin team didn't help. They needed to beat them... sort of like Iowa beat OSU. I thought the losses by Auburn (and for whatever small amount it was worth Fresno State) made it even closer in the committee room. Congrats to the winners and to the losers show what you got in your bowl game!
Nonsense. Everyone knows you are a ohio state hater. AND a Big ten hater, as your knock on Wisconsin proves it. BTW in recent yrs, wisconsin has beaten both auburn AND LSU. Any non delusional fan knows that the only reason why bama got in is because of brand name. Because with 0 good wins, they certainly were not more deserving than Wisconsin, let alone ohio state. Alabama's best win is against a LSU team WHO lost to Troy. This committee is a joke and we need a different system because it will not be a true playoff with two power conferences excluded. Even some of the ESPN hacks are saying that ohio state is a better team than Alabama. So get off your big ten hating horse.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Pace yourself. You need material for 5 weeks. This is going to be great
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And how many viewers were added for the better match up because OSU will now play USC which should be a terrific game?? Perhaps this is the best matchup of all the scheduled Bowl Games. The Buckeye-Trojan battles are legendary and this match up will just enhance this special rivalry.
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coinkat, the USC-OHIO STATE matchup is on a Friday night. All the second shifters including myself will have to miss the game.
Anyway,
Best idea I've heard:
-8-team playoff
-All conference champs get automatic bids
-First round takes place the week after the conference championship games, played at the home stadium of the lower seeded team.
-The final four still takes place beginning New Years Day, but the teams that lost in round 1 are still eligible to play in a bowl game.
Not perfect, but better than the shit-show we're getting this year
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
@garnettstyle said:
coinkat, the USC-OHIO STATE matchup is on a Friday night. All the second shifters including myself will have to miss the game.
Anyway,
Best idea I've heard:
-8-team playoff
-All conference champs get automatic bids
-First round takes place the week after the conference championship games, played at the home stadium of the lower seeded team.
-The final four still takes place beginning New Years Day, but the teams that lost in round 1 are still eligible to play in a bowl game.
Not perfect, but better than the shit-show we're getting this year
Why would the lower seeded team get to play at their home stadium? The higher seed should be rewarded and get to play at home. Make the lower seed earn their way into the final 4. I also don't believe an 8 team playoff will work or ever happen.
@garnettstyle said:
coinkat, the USC-OHIO STATE matchup is on a Friday night. All the second shifters including myself will have to miss the game.
Anyway,
Best idea I've heard:
-8-team playoff
-All conference champs get automatic bids
-First round takes place the week after the conference championship games, played at the home stadium of the lower seeded team.
-The final four still takes place beginning New Years Day, but the teams that lost in round 1 are still eligible to play in a bowl game.
Not perfect, but better than the shit-show we're getting this year
Why would the lower seeded team get to play at their home stadium? The higher seed should be rewarded and get to play at home. Make the lower seed earn their way into the final 4. I also don't believe an 8 team playoff will work or ever happen.
With each year being contentious I think an 8 team playoff is likely. Hopefully it will be the 8 best teams with no automatic bids for conference championships. I assume he meant higher seed as the opposite doesn't make any sense.
This from a Auburn fan on another forum. He makes some good points....
'We lost on the field, and that's that. But it irks me that we beat both UGA & UAT to close out the season, limped into the SECCG banged up, only for UAT to sit at home, get rested, and basically wait for one of those 2 teams to eliminate themselves. They actually got a bye week for losing the Iron Bowl.
And the arrogance on tRant is off the charts, some Bammers are now even downplaying the Iron Bowl as an exhibition game. #$ck that noise....up until noon today, they sure as hell weren't thinking that.
Again, Auburn lost, they shouldn't be there....but shit, they played FOUR games against teams in the playoff bracket, and was a respectable 2-2. UAT didn't play ANY, but the one team that WAS in the top 4 before last night (Auburn), they got their shit pushed in.'
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
@garnettstyle said:
coinkat, the USC-OHIO STATE matchup is on a Friday night. All the second shifters including myself will have to miss the game.
Anyway,
Best idea I've heard:
-8-team playoff
-All conference champs get automatic bids
-First round takes place the week after the conference championship games, played at the home stadium of the lower seeded team.
-The final four still takes place beginning New Years Day, but the teams that lost in round 1 are still eligible to play in a bowl game.
Not perfect, but better than the shit-show we're getting this year
Why would the lower seeded team get to play at their home stadium? The higher seed should be rewarded and get to play at home. Make the lower seed earn their way into the final 4. I also don't believe an 8 team playoff will work or ever happen.
With each year being contentious I think an 8 team playoff is likely. Hopefully it will be the 8 best teams with no automatic bids for conference championships. I assume he meant higher seed as the opposite doesn't make any sense.
There are already too many games. These are student althletes. 18-21 olds for goodness sakes. It's not about disgruntled fans. A four team playoff is better then two but it needs to end somewhere.
mark
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@Justacommeman said:
There are already too many games. These are student althletes. 18-21 olds for goodness sakes. It's not about disgruntled fans.
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I almost always agree with you but, sadly, they are just athletes now. A low percentage of the players playing in the big games are much of students. Sure, there are exceptions but most of the players are just athletes. Plus, if they work it into the current bowl system it wouldn't have to be any extra games. It's possible. I believe 8 games is likely within a few years. Also, this has little to do with them being students (or athletes) and it's about cash money. Look at Fisher's $75m GUARANTEED at A&M as case in point. It's all about the Benjamins baby!
@Justacommeman said:
There are already too many games. These are student althletes. 18-21 olds for goodness sakes. It's not about disgruntled fans.
mark
I almost always agree with you but, sadly, they are just athletes now. A low percentage of the players playing in the big games are much of students. Sure, there are exceptions but most of the players are just athletes. Plus, if they work it into the current bowl system it wouldn't have to be any extra games. It's possible. I believe 8 games is likely within a few years. Also, this has little to do with them being students (or athletes) and it's about cash money. Look at Fisher's $75m GUARANTEED at A&M as case in point. It's all about the Benjamins baby!
People will complain when there is a 8 team playoff. Trust me you will never please everybody. 11 game regular season. Conference Championship. Playoffs. Only a small portion of kids go on to the next level. To the strong majority going to classes and their degrees are important to them. These are the student athletes I'm taking about. Not the 5% who will have a 3.5 year career at the next level.
Plus my wife will kill me if I attempt to watch anymore football
mark
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You're a loser Michigan fan, You don't have any right to troll lol.
Urban owns your state.
What are you like 11 years old?
Your hatred for the SEC and Alabama has consumed you. Learn to deal with it.
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The PAC 10 and Big 10 at least ranked 1 and 2 for providing the most exciting Championship games this season. Stanford had opportunities to win in the 4th quarter. The Badgers were consumed by big plays but stayed in the game.
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coinkat, I was thinking this same thing yesterday and it's why sometimes Teams like Ohio State and Alabama are going to get into the current system's playoff. the season schedules don't allow for the Conference Teams to play each other, instead they have contractual agreement and revenue sharing which bolster their season records.
Fresno, Colorado State and Mercer???
Army and Nevada-Las Vegas??
really?? these are games two of the supposed best Teams in the Nation need to be playing instead of their Conference opponents?? I'm not picking on Alabama, but MERCER in week 11?? both of these schools AD's should be ashamed of themselves.
we had this discussion last year and what had happened was wrong, we'll have it next year if there is no change. JMHO, what has happened this year is wrong. in 2016 --- even though I was happy --- OSU didn't win their Conference and got smacked down hard for it. this year is yet to be.
if these Teams can't even win their Conference they should just settle for a non-playoff Bowl Game.
FromMyLoftyPerch the Playoff Committee has a few months to do one of two things: they can sit around and congratulate themselves about what a fine job they did in arranging the games --- or --- they can work to create a format which is logical and rewards the Teams for their play during the regular season. the mere fact that we can have these discussions and opinions here tells me that what's in place now is severely flawed.
in a strange sort of way, looking at these four Teams prior to the games on Saturday and seeing what took place on Sunday I can't imagine any clear, easy choice. one Team won its Conference, two Teams lost their Conference and one Team wasn't in its Conference Championship Game. two Teams seem to be superior to the other two, and one of those beat the other.
using weird logic from what's above I believe that if these were the choices for the Committee that the number four Team should have been Auburn!!!
You're a loser Michigan fan, You don't have any right to troll lol.
Urban owns your state.
What are you like 11 years old?
Your hatred for the SEC and Alabama has consumed you. Learn to deal with it.
mark
No, I hate the committee. Ever since week one of year one of this process, they have had this love fest with one conference. Go back and look at how many sec teams they put in the top five in October of 2014. Every year it's the same thing. The sec always gets the benefit of the doubt, and all the other conferences are not as good according to them.
Alabama's last three games was a near loss against a four loss mississipi team, a win against mercer, and a 12 point loss against their rival. But somehow, that was good enough to impress the committee.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I fin myself becoming dizzy, but it is hard not to agree with garnett on this. I will be the first to agree that, yes, there are some very good Teams in the SEC, some of the best Teams in the NCAA. the problem happens when they are given deference based on that; in other words, they tend to be placed at the top because they are placed at the top. I await everyone who will come in and show how this conference or the other has this many Teams in the Top 10 etc, but the truth is probably closer to many Teams are overlooked.
of course, this all comes from a Fan and the voters are positioned better than we are. maybe if everyone played everyone. Oklahoma and OSU tried that and it's 1-1, hardly a statement of superiority. I tend to not like Notre Dame, but they are probably the model that some conferences could use in scheduling non-conference games.
take the ACC, SEC, Big 10, PAC 10 and Big 12 and let them play each other 1-2 games on a rotating basis.
I just saw an explanation of the voting for the four spots. the take-aways for me were two:
--- Ohio State was kept out based mainly on the 31 point loss to Iowa.
--- Alabama was put in not so much because they are the better Team now, but because they will be in a month when their players heal.
it makes sense, but seems unfair. in the end we will have to live with it until something better comes along. the same report was clear about one more thing --- the NCAA Conference Officials are very resistant to change.
@keets said:
I just saw an explanation of the voting for the four spots. the take-aways for me were two:
--- Ohio State was kept out based mainly on the 31 point loss to Iowa.
--- Alabama was put in not so much because they are the better Team now, but because they will be in a month when their players heal.
it makes sense, but seems unfair. in the end we will have to live with it until something better comes along. the same report was clear about one more thing --- the NCAA Conference Officials are very resistant to change.
I agree with what you say. It's unfair to somebody every year. If Ohio State had made it rather than Alabama some Alabama fans would be upset and they would have had every right to be upset because they didn't get utterly embarrassed by 31. However, Alabama is not without it's flaws, as has been repeated many times above, so it could have been OSU that got picked. I for one could have lived with that. 1, 2 and 3 were easy. #4 was going to have some worts either way. It's an imperfect system. I imagine it almost came down to a coin toss. One team got selected and the other didn't. Luckily it's just football.
Because the SEC has two teams in the playoffs and Auburn playing Central Florida the B1G has many many favorable match ups where they are the higher ranked team or favorites. Normally the SEC/ B1G have more head to head bowl match ups. This year there are 4 PAC 12/B1G match ups.
In only one game is there is "home" advantage. Miami/ Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl.
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I think OSU has to own up to the fact that all the other playoff teams had one loss. They had two. One of their two losses was by 31. This ain't on the committee it's on OSU. Don't lose two games and don't lose 55-24 to a 7-5 team. Man talk about not taking personal responsibility and passing the blame.
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think about it, if you strip away all the statistics, all the different scenarios about who beat who by how many, who played which cupcake games and everything else it is really simple:
--- the "Committee" chose the third place SEC Team over the Big 10 and PAC 10 Champions.
everything else aside, that will sting for a lot of fans, players, coaches, AD's, University Presidents and Conference Commissioners. I see some not so pleasant off-season meetings, lots of telephone calls and "politicking" going on to figure this out. that doesn't even start to cover how the media will cover this and what the chat-rooms like this will be like.
if things go in the direction of "the perfect storm" it could be a very long off-season for fans like me, not to mention garnett!!!
@keets said:
think about it, if you strip away all the statistics, all the different scenarios about who beat who by how many, who played which cupcake games and everything else it is really simple:
--- the "Committee" chose the third place SEC Team over the Big 10 and PAC 10 Champions.
everything else aside, that will sting for a lot of fans, players, coaches, AD's, University Presidents and Conference Commissioners. I see some not so pleasant off-season meetings, lots of telephone calls and "politicking" going on to figure this out. that doesn't even start to cover how the media will cover this and what the chat-rooms like this will be like.
if things go in the direction of "the perfect storm" it could be a very long off-season for fans like me, not to mention garnett!!!
No sting here. With only 4 teams you need the 4 best. Period. Dot. End of discussion. Conference championships are just about irrelevant. At best they are a factor that may or may not be used by the committee but, rightfully so, it's a low level factor. If you have a lot more teams in the playoffs you can do the automatic bids but you can't do it with 4 or 8. You need the best teams. I am a big Pac-12 fan but we didn't have one of the four best so we aren't in the final 4. No problem. Obviously it's a significantly closer argument for Ohio State but the conference championship shouldn't matter... just like it didn't matter last year when it worked well for Ohio State.
my comment is based on the fact that since the Teams don't play and we left with what I mentioned in my post + whatever bias there might be it makes it a tough call, hence, the Championships bear weight in the decision.
it's too late to undo the mistakes(my opinion) of the past couple of years but maybe changes are worth considering, both by the competing schools and the committee.
@keets said:
think about it, if you strip away all the statistics, all the different scenarios about who beat who by how many, who played which cupcake games and everything else it is really simple:
--- the "Committee" chose the third place SEC Team over the Big 10 and PAC 10 Champions.
everything else aside, that will sting for a lot of fans, players, coaches, AD's, University Presidents and Conference Commissioners. I see some not so pleasant off-season meetings, lots of telephone calls and "politicking" going on to figure this out. that doesn't even start to cover how the media will cover this and what the chat-rooms like this will be like.
if things go in the direction of "the perfect storm" it could be a very long off-season for fans like me, not to mention garnett!!!
I did think about it. They don't think Conference Championships are the be one end all. Last year the "third place" team in the B1G went to the playoffs in the form of OSU. The system worked out for OSU last year. Penn State beat OSU and Penn State won the conference championship and still got passed in the favor of OSU. It was a 41-13 loss to Michigan and the fact they had a second loss as well that doomed PSU. Michigan was a one point loss to Iowa and a 2OT loss to OSU from being undefeated in the regular season so the beat down they gave PSU wasnt all that sinister. The 31 point OSU loss to Iowa is another story.
They are trying to get the best four teams in. That will always be open for discussion or debate especially if one has a bias. We all do in one degree or another.
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@keets said:
think about it, if you strip away all the statistics, all the different scenarios about who beat who by how many, who played which cupcake games and everything else it is really simple:
--- the "Committee" chose the third place SEC Team over the Big 10 and PAC 10 Champions.
everything else aside, that will sting for a lot of fans, players, coaches, AD's, University Presidents and Conference Commissioners. I see some not so pleasant off-season meetings, lots of telephone calls and "politicking" going on to figure this out. that doesn't even start to cover how the media will cover this and what the chat-rooms like this will be like.
if things go in the direction of "the perfect storm" it could be a very long off-season for fans like me, not to mention garnett!!!
No sting here. With only 4 teams you need the 4 best. Period. Dot. End of discussion. Conference championships are just about irrelevant. At best they are a factor that may or may not be used by the committee but, rightfully so, it's a low level factor. If you have a lot more teams in the playoffs you can do the automatic bids but you can't do it with 4 or 8. You need the best teams. I am a big Pac-12 fan but we didn't have one of the four best so we aren't in the final 4. No problem. Obviously it's a significantly closer argument for Ohio State but the conference championship shouldn't matter... just like it didn't matter last year when it worked well for Ohio State.
Exactly just like OSU last year Alabama didn't have to worry about losing in the Champioship Game. The system has always been flawed and will continue to be so. Yet we muddle through. It's part of the charm of College Football. Love it
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@keets said:
the difference between last year and this is that two of the Teams are in the same Conference
This doesn't matter. It's arguably the 4 best teams. If next year it's OSU, Penn State, Alabama and Georgia I will be watching... as long as it's arguably the four best teams. That's the job of the committee.
@keets said:
the difference between last year and this is that two of the Teams are in the same Conference
But there are no rules written or unwritten to that effect. This ain't about leaving a B1G team out for most of you. It's about leaving OSU out. It's also about being spurned for Alabama. That's a killer. I get that.
Imagine how the PSU fans felt last year when they beat OSU and won the Conference Championship game and got passed by OSU. Head to head is supposed to be a key factor. Obviously it's not a deal breaker.
If it was up to garnettstyle he would have wanted three B1G teams in 2015 when MSU went even though Iowa finished 5 and OSU 7 in the committee eyes.
There will be years that two teams from same conference get in. This is one of them.
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**We know what Clemson/OSU looks like. We know what Alabama/Clemson looks like. I think it may come down to the last play **
Mark, we know what those games looked like last year, they are sure to be different this year. I also wonder about the validity of "the best four Teams" followed by "the committee did their job" regarding who the four Teams should be. they render the importance of the Conference Championships moot. that's the fault of last year's choice. in hindsight, maybe since there are five Conferences and only four spots that should be where the committee "does their job and picks the four best Teams" for the playoff.
whatever happens going forward there should be some importance placed on the Conference Champions being the Teams who play, not some random agreement by a group which is probably not unanimous.
I think the potential worst fallout from this is that the SEC Championship has already been decided, now it may be decided again. that doesn't make sense.
I respectfully disagree keets. Last year they set precedence by taking a non champion in OSU. This year they set another precedent by taking two teams from the same conference. The playoff format is relatively new. There are no "rules". Getting the right four teams is their only job. I think they did just fine.
As fans we get a Clemson/Alabama National Championship game rematch in the first round. Last year was a classic. I can only hope we get another. No guarentee to your point. I can see why OSU fans wouldn't like it. I really do.
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Alabama has not played Georgia. The problem is the NCAA has allowed mega conferences with all members unable to play each other. If there is going to be a 12 game schedule, limit the size of a conference to 10. And each member is required to schedule the other 9. That leaves 3 non conference games. There can be a rotating match ups, top to bottom, among the conferences for two of the three and the one other game can be against whoever. Expand the power conferences from 5 to 8 and the playoffs to 8 teams. This could easily be done...
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Sleeper Dawgs!!! Will definitely take them this year!!
There are many reasons why this isn't feasible. Just one of them is the Big Ten Network which is a monster revenue producer. Teams were seduced into the Big Ten for this very reason. That train has left the station. It's more likely that the B1G will expand to 16.
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Nonsense. Everyone knows you are a ohio state hater. AND a Big ten hater, as your knock on Wisconsin proves it. BTW in recent yrs, wisconsin has beaten both auburn AND LSU. Any non delusional fan knows that the only reason why bama got in is because of brand name. Because with 0 good wins, they certainly were not more deserving than Wisconsin, let alone ohio state. Alabama's best win is against a LSU team WHO lost to Troy. This committee is a joke and we need a different system because it will not be a true playoff with two power conferences excluded. Even some of the ESPN hacks are saying that ohio state is a better team than Alabama. So get off your big ten hating horse.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
This just in....The 13 committee members have decided to change the name to the SEC college football playoffs
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Clemson vs Ohio state would've been a revenge game for ohio state. That would've drew better ratings than Clemson vs bama #3.
They just lost 20 million viewers.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Pace yourself. You need material for 5 weeks. This is going to be great
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'Alabama in the playoff over Ohio State. The day college football died.'
http://thebiglead.com/2017/12/03/alabama-in-the-playoff-over-ohio-state-the-day-college-football-died/?utm_source=MSN&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=inline-related
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
And how many viewers were added for the better match up because OSU will now play USC which should be a terrific game?? Perhaps this is the best matchup of all the scheduled Bowl Games. The Buckeye-Trojan battles are legendary and this match up will just enhance this special rivalry.
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coinkat, the USC-OHIO STATE matchup is on a Friday night. All the second shifters including myself will have to miss the game.
Anyway,
Best idea I've heard:
-8-team playoff
-All conference champs get automatic bids
-First round takes place the week after the conference championship games, played at the home stadium of the lower seeded team.
-The final four still takes place beginning New Years Day, but the teams that lost in round 1 are still eligible to play in a bowl game.
Not perfect, but better than the shit-show we're getting this year
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Why would the lower seeded team get to play at their home stadium? The higher seed should be rewarded and get to play at home. Make the lower seed earn their way into the final 4. I also don't believe an 8 team playoff will work or ever happen.
With each year being contentious I think an 8 team playoff is likely. Hopefully it will be the 8 best teams with no automatic bids for conference championships. I assume he meant higher seed as the opposite doesn't make any sense.
This from a Auburn fan on another forum. He makes some good points....
'We lost on the field, and that's that. But it irks me that we beat both UGA & UAT to close out the season, limped into the SECCG banged up, only for UAT to sit at home, get rested, and basically wait for one of those 2 teams to eliminate themselves. They actually got a bye week for losing the Iron Bowl.
And the arrogance on tRant is off the charts, some Bammers are now even downplaying the Iron Bowl as an exhibition game. #$ck that noise....up until noon today, they sure as hell weren't thinking that.
Again, Auburn lost, they shouldn't be there....but shit, they played FOUR games against teams in the playoff bracket, and was a respectable 2-2. UAT didn't play ANY, but the one team that WAS in the top 4 before last night (Auburn), they got their shit pushed in.'
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
There are already too many games. These are student althletes. 18-21 olds for goodness sakes. It's not about disgruntled fans. A four team playoff is better then two but it needs to end somewhere.
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I almost always agree with you but, sadly, they are just athletes now. A low percentage of the players playing in the big games are much of students. Sure, there are exceptions but most of the players are just athletes. Plus, if they work it into the current bowl system it wouldn't have to be any extra games. It's possible. I believe 8 games is likely within a few years. Also, this has little to do with them being students (or athletes) and it's about cash money. Look at Fisher's $75m GUARANTEED at A&M as case in point. It's all about the Benjamins baby!
People will complain when there is a 8 team playoff. Trust me you will never please everybody. 11 game regular season. Conference Championship. Playoffs. Only a small portion of kids go on to the next level. To the strong majority going to classes and their degrees are important to them. These are the student athletes I'm taking about. Not the 5% who will have a 3.5 year career at the next level.
Plus my wife will kill me if I attempt to watch anymore football
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People will complain...period
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Can you imagine the outcry at ESPN if the SEC had 3 teams in the top ten, and their conference got left out?
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Interesting stat.
The Pac 12 and Big 10 have the best non conference records against the power 5, and those are the two that get left out.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
In a perfect world.
Clemson vs USC
Georgia vs Wisconsin
Oklahoma vs Auburn
Alabama vs Ohio State
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, man, I love that team.
At least the Buckeyes beat their rival. Better luck next year.
"Dishonest, Inaccurate and Unreliable." Using the committee's own words and decisions to show how incompetent / corrupt they are.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Dont you mean
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa Iowa
That's 55 of them.
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Thank you and I think OSU will turn it around and beat Iowa next year since you'll be playing them in Columbus.
Bahahahahaha....can you say Notre Dame and Iowa?
You're a loser Michigan fan, You don't have any right to troll lol.
Urban owns your state.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
What are you like 11 years old?
Your hatred for the SEC and Alabama has consumed you. Learn to deal with it.
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They don't play iowa next year.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
The PAC 10 and Big 10 at least ranked 1 and 2 for providing the most exciting Championship games this season. Stanford had opportunities to win in the 4th quarter. The Badgers were consumed by big plays but stayed in the game.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
The problem is the NCAA has allowed
coinkat, I was thinking this same thing yesterday and it's why sometimes Teams like Ohio State and Alabama are going to get into the current system's playoff. the season schedules don't allow for the Conference Teams to play each other, instead they have contractual agreement and revenue sharing which bolster their season records.
Fresno, Colorado State and Mercer???
Army and Nevada-Las Vegas??
really?? these are games two of the supposed best Teams in the Nation need to be playing instead of their Conference opponents?? I'm not picking on Alabama, but MERCER in week 11?? both of these schools AD's should be ashamed of themselves.
we had this discussion last year and what had happened was wrong, we'll have it next year if there is no change. JMHO, what has happened this year is wrong. in 2016 --- even though I was happy --- OSU didn't win their Conference and got smacked down hard for it. this year is yet to be.
if these Teams can't even win their Conference they should just settle for a non-playoff Bowl Game.
FromMyLoftyPerch the Playoff Committee has a few months to do one of two things: they can sit around and congratulate themselves about what a fine job they did in arranging the games --- or --- they can work to create a format which is logical and rewards the Teams for their play during the regular season. the mere fact that we can have these discussions and opinions here tells me that what's in place now is severely flawed.
Ohio State. 8/won Conference
Wisconsin. 4/lost Conference
Auburn. 2/lost Conference
Alabama. 5/lost to Auburn
in a strange sort of way, looking at these four Teams prior to the games on Saturday and seeing what took place on Sunday I can't imagine any clear, easy choice. one Team won its Conference, two Teams lost their Conference and one Team wasn't in its Conference Championship Game. two Teams seem to be superior to the other two, and one of those beat the other.
using weird logic from what's above I believe that if these were the choices for the Committee that the number four Team should have been Auburn!!!
No, I hate the committee. Ever since week one of year one of this process, they have had this love fest with one conference. Go back and look at how many sec teams they put in the top five in October of 2014. Every year it's the same thing. The sec always gets the benefit of the doubt, and all the other conferences are not as good according to them.
Alabama's last three games was a near loss against a four loss mississipi team, a win against mercer, and a 12 point loss against their rival. But somehow, that was good enough to impress the committee.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I fin myself becoming dizzy, but it is hard not to agree with garnett on this. I will be the first to agree that, yes, there are some very good Teams in the SEC, some of the best Teams in the NCAA. the problem happens when they are given deference based on that; in other words, they tend to be placed at the top because they are placed at the top. I await everyone who will come in and show how this conference or the other has this many Teams in the Top 10 etc, but the truth is probably closer to many Teams are overlooked.
of course, this all comes from a Fan and the voters are positioned better than we are. maybe if everyone played everyone. Oklahoma and OSU tried that and it's 1-1, hardly a statement of superiority. I tend to not like Notre Dame, but they are probably the model that some conferences could use in scheduling non-conference games.
take the ACC, SEC, Big 10, PAC 10 and Big 12 and let them play each other 1-2 games on a rotating basis.
I just saw an explanation of the voting for the four spots. the take-aways for me were two:
--- Ohio State was kept out based mainly on the 31 point loss to Iowa.
--- Alabama was put in not so much because they are the better Team now, but because they will be in a month when their players heal.
it makes sense, but seems unfair. in the end we will have to live with it until something better comes along. the same report was clear about one more thing --- the NCAA Conference Officials are very resistant to change.
I agree with what you say. It's unfair to somebody every year. If Ohio State had made it rather than Alabama some Alabama fans would be upset and they would have had every right to be upset because they didn't get utterly embarrassed by 31. However, Alabama is not without it's flaws, as has been repeated many times above, so it could have been OSU that got picked. I for one could have lived with that. 1, 2 and 3 were easy. #4 was going to have some worts either way. It's an imperfect system. I imagine it almost came down to a coin toss. One team got selected and the other didn't. Luckily it's just football.
Because the SEC has two teams in the playoffs and Auburn playing Central Florida the B1G has many many favorable match ups where they are the higher ranked team or favorites. Normally the SEC/ B1G have more head to head bowl match ups. This year there are 4 PAC 12/B1G match ups.
In only one game is there is "home" advantage. Miami/ Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl.
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I think OSU has to own up to the fact that all the other playoff teams had one loss. They had two. One of their two losses was by 31. This ain't on the committee it's on OSU. Don't lose two games and don't lose 55-24 to a 7-5 team. Man talk about not taking personal responsibility and passing the blame.
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think about it, if you strip away all the statistics, all the different scenarios about who beat who by how many, who played which cupcake games and everything else it is really simple:
--- the "Committee" chose the third place SEC Team over the Big 10 and PAC 10 Champions.
everything else aside, that will sting for a lot of fans, players, coaches, AD's, University Presidents and Conference Commissioners. I see some not so pleasant off-season meetings, lots of telephone calls and "politicking" going on to figure this out. that doesn't even start to cover how the media will cover this and what the chat-rooms like this will be like.
if things go in the direction of "the perfect storm" it could be a very long off-season for fans like me, not to mention garnett!!!
No sting here. With only 4 teams you need the 4 best. Period. Dot. End of discussion. Conference championships are just about irrelevant. At best they are a factor that may or may not be used by the committee but, rightfully so, it's a low level factor. If you have a lot more teams in the playoffs you can do the automatic bids but you can't do it with 4 or 8. You need the best teams. I am a big Pac-12 fan but we didn't have one of the four best so we aren't in the final 4. No problem. Obviously it's a significantly closer argument for Ohio State but the conference championship shouldn't matter... just like it didn't matter last year when it worked well for Ohio State.
my comment is based on the fact that since the Teams don't play and we left with what I mentioned in my post + whatever bias there might be it makes it a tough call, hence, the Championships bear weight in the decision.
it's too late to undo the mistakes(my opinion) of the past couple of years but maybe changes are worth considering, both by the competing schools and the committee.
I did think about it. They don't think Conference Championships are the be one end all. Last year the "third place" team in the B1G went to the playoffs in the form of OSU. The system worked out for OSU last year. Penn State beat OSU and Penn State won the conference championship and still got passed in the favor of OSU. It was a 41-13 loss to Michigan and the fact they had a second loss as well that doomed PSU. Michigan was a one point loss to Iowa and a 2OT loss to OSU from being undefeated in the regular season so the beat down they gave PSU wasnt all that sinister. The 31 point OSU loss to Iowa is another story.
They are trying to get the best four teams in. That will always be open for discussion or debate especially if one has a bias. We all do in one degree or another.
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Be sure to watch Finebaum today, gonna be a classic...
Exactly just like OSU last year Alabama didn't have to worry about losing in the Champioship Game. The system has always been flawed and will continue to be so. Yet we muddle through. It's part of the charm of College Football. Love it
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the difference between last year and this is that two of the Teams are in the same Conference
It is almost like the OSU fans have forgotten what happened to the Big 10 champion last year...
Robb
This doesn't matter. It's arguably the 4 best teams. If next year it's OSU, Penn State, Alabama and Georgia I will be watching... as long as it's arguably the four best teams. That's the job of the committee.
That was last year. Rules are different this year. Conference championships matter this year. Wait and see on next year. Lol.
But there are no rules written or unwritten to that effect. This ain't about leaving a B1G team out for most of you. It's about leaving OSU out. It's also about being spurned for Alabama. That's a killer. I get that.
Imagine how the PSU fans felt last year when they beat OSU and won the Conference Championship game and got passed by OSU. Head to head is supposed to be a key factor. Obviously it's not a deal breaker.
If it was up to garnettstyle he would have wanted three B1G teams in 2015 when MSU went even though Iowa finished 5 and OSU 7 in the committee eyes.
There will be years that two teams from same conference get in. This is one of them.
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i like your thinking