@1940coupesaid on November 11, 2018:
My new coin a tribute to world war one on Veterans Day ! seller said Dan told him he made only four of this type !
I buy the Saint Gaudens themed gold pieces that DC produces and I have read how some of these issues appear to have a different color than what one might expect. The other day I went to the bank and took out my DC Saint Gaudens examples and brought them home to perhaps image them. While the four pieces were sitting on a black velvet tray they were in indirect sunlight and the color variation was truly striking. I snapped a photo with the pieces as-is and then flipped them over to take a reverse shot.
The reverses are below. The items on the tray are-
1) "1934" Over-struck Saint Gaudens Double Eagle (the host coin is an ASG double eagle with no date supplied for the host coin) struck in 2018. This is the rich, coppery colored piece with "TWENTY DOLLARS" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 61.
2) "MCMVI" (1906) Over-struck Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Concept (the host coin is a 1928 ASG) struck in 2018. This is the pinkish piece with "TWENTY DOLLARS" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 23.
3) "MCMVI" (1906) Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Concept (produced on a one ounce gold blank) struck in 2018. This is the bright yellow piece with "DOUBLE EAGLE" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 19.
4) "MMXXII" (2022) Over-struck Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Ultra-High Relief (the host coin is a Canadian Maple Leaf with no date supplied for the host coin) struck in 2022. This is also a bright yellow piece, but it has some mild PL-properties and has "TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 29.
All my other Carr gold have correct, as expected color.
I did not buy examples of your other 3 Twenties, but if I recall right that's how they looked when issued from others' photos I saw at issue.
@TomB said:
I buy the Saint Gaudens themed gold pieces that DC produces and I have read how some of these issues appear to have a different color than what one might expect. The other day I went to the bank and took out my DC Saint Gaudens examples and brought them home to perhaps image them. While the four pieces were sitting on a black velvet tray they were in indirect sunlight and the color variation was truly striking. I snapped a photo with the pieces as-is and then flipped them over to take a reverse shot.
@pcgscacgold said:
My 1848 CAL and 1908-O Double Eagles have a stronger copper look than my 2022 High Relief on Gold Maple.
Mine has a copper look to it as well. I discussed gold plating it with Dan which may be an option. He said he gold plated some before striking and that gold plating it afterwards wouldn't harm it as it would be gold on gold.
I have to admit that in normal incandescent light (typical room lights) that the "1934" appears only a little more coppery than a generic ASG and the "MMXXII" looks a little brighter yellow gold than a generic ASG while both the "MCMVI" pieces have the same color as a generic ASG. They are so subtly different that one might not even notice the color shift among the items, which is one reason I was so surprised to see what they looked like in indirect sunlight.
Looking for some assistance in finding an item in the catalogue. I have looked in all of the categories, but must be missing it...probably senility of some sort. I cannot find the $2 2009-D bimetallic proof-like Apollo Astronaut listing. Under what category is it listed?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
That said I would love to acquire a PCGS Gold Shield 1964D PEACE. I have more than a roll of 64D Peace and I have no interest in playing the 6 month turn around game. Send away & pray...
But if I see a Gold Shield 64D Peace, that's something I would bid up to add to archive.
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As far as I know only 6 (3 each from 2 different owners) have been slabbed by PCGS. And those are from dies 5 & 6. It may be worth your while playing the waiting game with PCGS. That is probably a shorter wait than waiting for one to show up in the market.
Edited: I just checked the pops and it looks like 5 more have been graded. There are still 2 Matte proofs and 2 PL finishes, but now there are 7 High Grade finished instead of 2. There is no way to tell if any of the new ones are Gold Shield. The original 6 are Gold Shield.
If you created a Carr account then you can see what you bought. Seems I dropped multiple k's supporting my favorite coinage artist, thoughtful artist hero. Use the date posted when you bought your different $20 gold fantasies and drill down here in this long endless thread into what was current, into that lost era here. Goofy color gold was chit chatted about back then. You will see Dan's responses to odd colored gold $20 reissues which were addressed and discussed and deeply buried over time. He has prepped donor coins differently that I read over time, different chemicals. 90 % Gold should look like real gold. It should look like real unplated versus shinny plated 24k that Gallery Mint routinely did plating over silver. Why would anyone plate gold on gold to make it look better and shinny ?
Thats crosses a big line for me and I won't buy any more of it.
I am stunned by this !!! Is this now acceptable ZOINS ????
So, Now its acceptable. Then Boo.
Thats just silly.
If plating gold on whatever to make it look more correct, then that is just like fake value current bit coin chaos.
69k to 16k and dropping... to nothing.
I am disillusioned.
Factory 24k Plating things after restruck or struck to make them market acceptable is a lie.
The images I took of the individual gold ASG inspired DC pieces yielded an unexpected surprise.
The "MMXXII" (2022) Ultra-High Relief over-struck onto a Canadian Maple Leaf had been offered by DC with no specific date recorded for the host coin, but as I looked through the photographs the date of the Canadian Maple Leaf popped out at me! My example is over-struck on a 1983 host coin. The date can be seen fairly readily in the image at around 4:00 o'clock and I have placed an oval around the "83" portion. In-hand the date is entirely invisible until the coin is tilted just right and then the entirety of "1983" becomes visible. I think that is pretty cool.
@LindyS said:
If you created a Carr account then you can see what you bought. Seems I dropped multiple k's supporting my favorite coinage artist, thoughtful artist hero. Use the date posted when you bought your different $20 gold fantasies and drill down here in this long endless thread into what was current, into that lost era here. Goofy color gold was chit chatted about back then. You will see Dan's responses to odd colored gold $20 reissues which were addressed and discussed and deeply buried over time. He has prepped donor coins differently that I read over time, different chemicals. 90 % Gold should look like real gold. It should look like real unplated versus shinny plated 24k that Gallery Mint routinely did plating over silver. Why would anyone plate gold on gold to make it look better and shinny ?
Thats crosses a big line for me and I won't buy any more of it.
I am stunned by this !!! Is this now acceptable ZOINS ????
So, Now its acceptable. Then Boo.
Thats just silly.
If plating gold on whatever to make it look more correct, then that is just like fake value current bit coin chaos.
69k to 16k and dropping... to nothing.
I am disillusioned.
Factory 24k Plating things after restruck or struck to make them market acceptable is a lie.
I have experimented with gold plating to change the color, but I do not normally do that and I have not done it on any issues in a number of years.
To get to an MS-69 (or 70) level when over-striking 900 fine gold pieces, I found the only way to get them pristine was to sandblast the coins first. That would remove every bit of gunk and any loose flecks of metal as well as planchet surface impurities. But it would tend to erode the gold on the surface a tiny bit more than the copper, leaving a slightly coppery look. Most of the time I would just leave them that way. A small number were electo-plated (prior to over-striking) with an extremely small amount of 999 gold to put back what was lost in the sandblasting and reduce the copper tint. The amount of gold deposited by that plating process was probably only a few atoms thick.
Although sand-blasting 900 fine gold coins changes the color slightly, it does have one benefit - doing so will greatly reduce the chances of any "copper spots" forming in the future. Around 2012 or so (I forget the exact year) I started to routinely sandblast ALL gold before striking it. The gold pieces I issued prior to that point have a higher tendency for copper spotting.
Note that I do not have any need to plate any 999 gold items, so those are always un-plated 999 gold.
****Thanks Dan, you answered a mystery for me. I couldn’t figure out why some of the gold coins I bought directly from the USMINT came with darker spots on them , I thought it must have been someone’s greasy fingers got on them ….. because I knew gold doesn’t tarnish ‼️The 2016 Gold Standing Liberty quarter commemorative were really bad about the “bad color” spots on them…. I sent some back because of that.‼️
Now I know it was probably the bad prep and copper coming thru‼️
Your pieces are almost always perfect….. I think some of the graders at the grading companies are “ jealous “ that it’s not their own personal piece, when one of your pieces come back as a MS69 instead of a 70 ‼️
I usually get more MS70s than 69s when I order from you‼️‼️👍🎯👍👍‼️‼️⁉️
That ratio isn’t as good at the USMINT……. Had 10 new Liberty medals….. only got two 70’s out of them‼️😱
Here is an 1849 Liberty eagle over-struck by DC, with the help of @Zoins and @Lakesammman, using a die for the 1950 Seattle Coin Club medal for the obverse (provided by @Zoins) married to a 1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die (provided by @Lakesammman) as the reverse. Only a small number of these were struck in gold. The host coin is readily visible after striking and the original reeded edge stands out quite dramatically since these were struck out of collar due to the fact that the dies used were of different diameters and both were larger in diameter than the host coin. There were three die pairings used in total and I have examples of each. Some were even struck on Indian eagles.
@TomB said:
The host coin is readily visible after striking ....
They are really neat.
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I really like this one!
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There are some of Dan's issues that I really like a pristine, no-host-coin ghosting appearance, and others, where I actually prefer to see the host coin ghosting. This one is an example of the latter.
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I recently reviewed the four 2019-D Apollo astronaut prototype dollars o/s on Ikes that I have on hand. Of the two o/s on a 40% silver Ike, one was o/s on a 71-S to 74-S Ike and the other on a 76-S Ike. And, of the two o/s on a Cu-Ni Ike, one was o/s on a 72 Ike (can't tell reverse type or MM) and the other on a 76 Ike (also can't tell type or MM). ...I appreciate being able to tell the difference in this case.
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What about the rest of you here - do you prefer host coin ghosting or pristine o/s? Or, like me, are there instances where host coin ghosting is preferred, and other instances where a pristine o/s is preferred?
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino
I like the ghosting on my 1848CAL and 1908-O DE's because then you know the year of the host coin. I like the ghosting on the 2022 HR Saint to show it is a Maple Leaf as a host.
On many of the Peace Dollars I am not able to see the host coin. My collection is pretty limited so look forward to more things to come. Maybe using $5's and $10's......
@TomB said:
Here is an 1849 Liberty eagle over-struck by DC, with the help of @Zoins and @Lakesammman, using a die for the 1950 Seattle Coin Club medal for the obverse (provided by @Zoins) married to a 1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die (provided by @Lakesammman) as the reverse. Only a small number of these were struck in gold. The host coin is readily visible after striking and the original reeded edge stands out quite dramatically since these were struck out of collar due to the fact that the dies used were of different diameters and both were larger in diameter than the host coin. There were three die pairings used in total and I have examples of each. Some were even struck on Indian eagles.
They are really neat.
I saw an overstruck $10 Indian on ebay and thought to myself, "man that would be cool if it was struck on an 1849"
I really like the Ghosting of the Date 1849 on this piece to correspond to the date on the die, but in the case of the indian / later date I'm less of a fan.
I cannot recall seeing an overstrike on an incuse design host coin.
@TomB said:
Here is an 1849 Liberty eagle over-struck by DC, with the help of @Zoins and @Lakesammman, using a die for the 1950 Seattle Coin Club medal for the obverse (provided by @Zoins) married to a 1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die (provided by @Lakesammman) as the reverse. Only a small number of these were struck in gold. The host coin is readily visible after striking and the original reeded edge stands out quite dramatically since these were struck out of collar due to the fact that the dies used were of different diameters and both were larger in diameter than the host coin. There were three die pairings used in total and I have examples of each. Some were even struck on Indian eagles.
@Nickpatton said:
This don’t look like Dan’s’‼️
On eBay and I contacted him about a certificate and he didn’t have one……. Said some dealer told him it was Dans’
I saw that, too, and thought they might have looked at the "D.C." on the reverse and jumped to conclusions. Otherwise, Dan's work is certainly taking a different turn!
@LindyS said:
Can you post Indian Eagle overstrike ?
I cannot recall seeing an overstrike on an incuse design host coin.
@TomB said:
Here is an 1849 Liberty eagle over-struck by DC, with the help of @Zoins and @Lakesammman, using a die for the 1950 Seattle Coin Club medal for the obverse (provided by @Zoins) married to a 1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die (provided by @Lakesammman) as the reverse. Only a small number of these were struck in gold. The host coin is readily visible after striking and the original reeded edge stands out quite dramatically since these were struck out of collar due to the fact that the dies used were of different diameters and both were larger in diameter than the host coin. There were three die pairings used in total and I have examples of each. Some were even struck on Indian eagles.
They are really neat.
I own one and will look to see if I have the Indian eagle imaged, but it is not an incuse coin. Only the half-eagle and quarter-eagle from Pratt are incuse.
@LukeMarshall said:
And actually now that Im looking at them side by side, they are in fact not the same die pair.
@TomB , is this one of the dies pairing you spoke of from above?
That is correct, what I shared and what is in the ebay auction are two different die marriages. I own the coin I shared and also own an Indian eagle overstruck with the same die pair as is offered in the current ebay auction. The last die pair produced used the Oregon Exchange Company text on the obverse paired with the small beaver (1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die) on the reverse of an 1849 Liberty eagle. I have one of those, as well, and will see if I already have images of that, too.
Today's product availability prompted me to look at the ASE o/s production blog documentation. I saw this:
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Does anyone here have one of these?
I'm wondering if anyone here know who the commissioning distributor might be?
I've seen other commissioned items from Daniel / Moonlight Mint appear on the CCN site, but did not see this one listed.
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
With the new items for sale on the MM site, the Seated Liberty Dollar o/s offerings are gone. I wonder if the production figures listed now will become the "final" figures?
1874-S #29
1874-CC #42
1853-O #38
1837-O #54
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino said:
With the new items for sale on the MM site, the Seated Liberty Dollar o/s offerings are gone. I wonder if the production figures listed now will become the "final" figures?
1874-S #29
1874-CC #42
1853-O #38
1837-O #54
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According to my notes those #s were posted in the middle of October. So, they should go up except for the 1837.
@pcgscacgold said:
I could not find any of todays items in the catalog (will take a closer look later) so I assume updates will be made in the near future.
They are there bro, I had to take a screenshot from the items for sale today…… and then I could reference with the “ minted items “ catalog.
(I want some of everything , but have money for none….. maybe I can sell some stuff…. I reduced some of my prices)‼️
@pcgscacgold said:
I could not find any of todays items in the catalog (will take a closer look later) so I assume updates will be made in the near future.
They are there bro, I had to take a screenshot from the items for sale today…… and then I could reference with the “ minted items “ catalog.
(I want some of everything , but have money for none….. maybe I can sell some stuff…. I reduced some of my prices)‼️
Where is your BST posting?
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@Nickpatton said:
This don’t look like Dan’s’‼️
On eBay and I contacted him about a certificate and he didn’t have one……. Said some dealer told him it was Dans’
Nice Nick, you have a wide array of fantasies available.
I learned a long time ago; I cannot buy everything Carr issues as I have had to keep powder dry.
Sometimes that costs me more later when I faceplant, realizing I should have acted by buying direct. I passed on 2009S Wheatie, then poof, gone. Regrets. I got one now. How cool is that ?
One of these days I may thin the MM heard but in meantime I just stack goodies from my favorite coinage art artist.
I skipped all of today's current Moon Light Mint offers as Moraned and couple unrelated hobbies absolutely tapped me out till next year.
I was sad to see Ed offer up his treasures, having bought a couple dozen MM years ago from him, I am certain these stashed goodies meant the world to him, but I am glad I won all four items I absolutely had to own.
I know brother (LindyS), I hate passing on any Daniel Carr’s , but sometimes there aren’t any resources, and the possibility to pick’em later exist.
You can bet if I have the money I’ll buy ‼️‼️
And I hope I never have to sell any of my favorite….. sad to hear that anyone had to sell their favorite pieces ‼️😱😱😱
I did as well. I love that it is o/s on an Ike. ...I'm an Ike collector, but really would rather see modern issues sans dead Presidents, and instead, using classic designs. Now, this is a dollar (conceptually awesome)!
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
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Gold does well in Dan's "OGP"!
Well, just Love coins, period.
SPalladino check your mail ‼️‼️
Anyone hear from @1940coupe recently?
I just ran across this piece again while looking for a photo for my non-double struck piece and wondered what he's up to these days.
I buy the Saint Gaudens themed gold pieces that DC produces and I have read how some of these issues appear to have a different color than what one might expect. The other day I went to the bank and took out my DC Saint Gaudens examples and brought them home to perhaps image them. While the four pieces were sitting on a black velvet tray they were in indirect sunlight and the color variation was truly striking. I snapped a photo with the pieces as-is and then flipped them over to take a reverse shot.
Here are the obverses-
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
The reverses are below. The items on the tray are-
1) "1934" Over-struck Saint Gaudens Double Eagle (the host coin is an ASG double eagle with no date supplied for the host coin) struck in 2018. This is the rich, coppery colored piece with "TWENTY DOLLARS" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 61.
2) "MCMVI" (1906) Over-struck Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Concept (the host coin is a 1928 ASG) struck in 2018. This is the pinkish piece with "TWENTY DOLLARS" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 23.
3) "MCMVI" (1906) Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Concept (produced on a one ounce gold blank) struck in 2018. This is the bright yellow piece with "DOUBLE EAGLE" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 19.
4) "MMXXII" (2022) Over-struck Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Ultra-High Relief (the host coin is a Canadian Maple Leaf with no date supplied for the host coin) struck in 2022. This is also a bright yellow piece, but it has some mild PL-properties and has "TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS" on the reverse. Total quantity struck 29.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
My 1934 like yours has correct, expected color.
All my other Carr gold have correct, as expected color.
I did not buy examples of your other 3 Twenties, but if I recall right that's how they looked when issued from others' photos I saw at issue.
My 1848 CAL and 1908-O Double Eagles have a stronger copper look than my 2022 High Relief on Gold Maple.
Love that photo @TomB . I hope to one day own a 1934.
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Mine has a copper look to it as well. I discussed gold plating it with Dan which may be an option. He said he gold plated some before striking and that gold plating it afterwards wouldn't harm it as it would be gold on gold.
I have to admit that in normal incandescent light (typical room lights) that the "1934" appears only a little more coppery than a generic ASG and the "MMXXII" looks a little brighter yellow gold than a generic ASG while both the "MCMVI" pieces have the same color as a generic ASG. They are so subtly different that one might not even notice the color shift among the items, which is one reason I was so surprised to see what they looked like in indirect sunlight.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Looking for some assistance in finding an item in the catalogue. I have looked in all of the categories, but must be missing it...probably senility of some sort. I cannot find the $2 2009-D bimetallic proof-like Apollo Astronaut listing. Under what category is it listed?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino
Check Concept Dollars then down to 2009. THat might be what you are looking for.
T
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Successful BST with BustDMs , Pnies20, lkeigwin, pursuitofliberty, Bullsitter, felinfoel, SPalladino (CBH's - 37 Die Marriage's)
$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Thank you, @pcgscacgold ! Confirming my senility, but very helpful none the less.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Nice info
It's on the page for "Concept Dollars":
http://www.moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_dollars_list.htm
As far as I know only 6 (3 each from 2 different owners) have been slabbed by PCGS. And those are from dies 5 & 6. It may be worth your while playing the waiting game with PCGS. That is probably a shorter wait than waiting for one to show up in the market.
Edited: I just checked the pops and it looks like 5 more have been graded. There are still 2 Matte proofs and 2 PL finishes, but now there are 7 High Grade finished instead of 2. There is no way to tell if any of the new ones are Gold Shield. The original 6 are Gold Shield.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-d-1-x-383-peace-dollar-daniel-carr-fantasy/877747
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
If you created a Carr account then you can see what you bought. Seems I dropped multiple k's supporting my favorite coinage artist, thoughtful artist hero. Use the date posted when you bought your different $20 gold fantasies and drill down here in this long endless thread into what was current, into that lost era here. Goofy color gold was chit chatted about back then. You will see Dan's responses to odd colored gold $20 reissues which were addressed and discussed and deeply buried over time. He has prepped donor coins differently that I read over time, different chemicals. 90 % Gold should look like real gold. It should look like real unplated versus shinny plated 24k that Gallery Mint routinely did plating over silver. Why would anyone plate gold on gold to make it look better and shinny ?
Thats crosses a big line for me and I won't buy any more of it.
I am stunned by this !!! Is this now acceptable ZOINS ????
So, Now its acceptable. Then Boo.
Thats just silly.
If plating gold on whatever to make it look more correct, then that is just like fake value current bit coin chaos.
69k to 16k and dropping... to nothing.
I am disillusioned.
Factory 24k Plating things after restruck or struck to make them market acceptable is a lie.
The images I took of the individual gold ASG inspired DC pieces yielded an unexpected surprise.
The "MMXXII" (2022) Ultra-High Relief over-struck onto a Canadian Maple Leaf had been offered by DC with no specific date recorded for the host coin, but as I looked through the photographs the date of the Canadian Maple Leaf popped out at me! My example is over-struck on a 1983 host coin. The date can be seen fairly readily in the image at around 4:00 o'clock and I have placed an oval around the "83" portion. In-hand the date is entirely invisible until the coin is tilted just right and then the entirety of "1983" becomes visible. I think that is pretty cool.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I have experimented with gold plating to change the color, but I do not normally do that and I have not done it on any issues in a number of years.
To get to an MS-69 (or 70) level when over-striking 900 fine gold pieces, I found the only way to get them pristine was to sandblast the coins first. That would remove every bit of gunk and any loose flecks of metal as well as planchet surface impurities. But it would tend to erode the gold on the surface a tiny bit more than the copper, leaving a slightly coppery look. Most of the time I would just leave them that way. A small number were electo-plated (prior to over-striking) with an extremely small amount of 999 gold to put back what was lost in the sandblasting and reduce the copper tint. The amount of gold deposited by that plating process was probably only a few atoms thick.
Although sand-blasting 900 fine gold coins changes the color slightly, it does have one benefit - doing so will greatly reduce the chances of any "copper spots" forming in the future. Around 2012 or so (I forget the exact year) I started to routinely sandblast ALL gold before striking it. The gold pieces I issued prior to that point have a higher tendency for copper spotting.
Note that I do not have any need to plate any 999 gold items, so those are always un-plated 999 gold.
****Thanks Dan, you answered a mystery for me. I couldn’t figure out why some of the gold coins I bought directly from the USMINT came with darker spots on them , I thought it must have been someone’s greasy fingers got on them ….. because I knew gold doesn’t tarnish ‼️The 2016 Gold Standing Liberty quarter commemorative were really bad about the “bad color” spots on them…. I sent some back because of that.‼️
Now I know it was probably the bad prep and copper coming thru‼️
Your pieces are almost always perfect….. I think some of the graders at the grading companies are “ jealous “ that it’s not their own personal piece, when one of your pieces come back as a MS69 instead of a 70 ‼️
I usually get more MS70s than 69s when I order from you‼️‼️👍🎯👍👍‼️‼️⁉️
That ratio isn’t as good at the USMINT……. Had 10 new Liberty medals….. only got two 70’s out of them‼️😱
Here is an 1849 Liberty eagle over-struck by DC, with the help of @Zoins and @Lakesammman, using a die for the 1950 Seattle Coin Club medal for the obverse (provided by @Zoins) married to a 1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die (provided by @Lakesammman) as the reverse. Only a small number of these were struck in gold. The host coin is readily visible after striking and the original reeded edge stands out quite dramatically since these were struck out of collar due to the fact that the dies used were of different diameters and both were larger in diameter than the host coin. There were three die pairings used in total and I have examples of each. Some were even struck on Indian eagles.
They are really neat.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Very nice addition to your collection @TomB
Successful BST with BustDMs , Pnies20, lkeigwin, pursuitofliberty, Bullsitter, felinfoel, SPalladino (CBH's - 37 Die Marriage's)
$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
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I really like this one!
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There are some of Dan's issues that I really like a pristine, no-host-coin ghosting appearance, and others, where I actually prefer to see the host coin ghosting. This one is an example of the latter.
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I recently reviewed the four 2019-D Apollo astronaut prototype dollars o/s on Ikes that I have on hand. Of the two o/s on a 40% silver Ike, one was o/s on a 71-S to 74-S Ike and the other on a 76-S Ike. And, of the two o/s on a Cu-Ni Ike, one was o/s on a 72 Ike (can't tell reverse type or MM) and the other on a 76 Ike (also can't tell type or MM). ...I appreciate being able to tell the difference in this case.
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What about the rest of you here - do you prefer host coin ghosting or pristine o/s? Or, like me, are there instances where host coin ghosting is preferred, and other instances where a pristine o/s is preferred?
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@SPalladino
I like the ghosting on my 1848CAL and 1908-O DE's because then you know the year of the host coin. I like the ghosting on the 2022 HR Saint to show it is a Maple Leaf as a host.
On many of the Peace Dollars I am not able to see the host coin. My collection is pretty limited so look forward to more things to come. Maybe using $5's and $10's......
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
I like them both ways.
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With ghosting.
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Without ghosting.
No problem
I saw an overstruck $10 Indian on ebay and thought to myself, "man that would be cool if it was struck on an 1849"
I really like the Ghosting of the Date 1849 on this piece to correspond to the date on the die, but in the case of the indian / later date I'm less of a fan.
It's all about what the people want...
DC items available this morning.....
@Bullsitter
You beat me to it. Was just getting ready to post it.
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Can you post Indian Eagle overstrike ?
I cannot recall seeing an overstrike on an incuse design host coin.
@LindyS
Here is the Indian counterpart on Ebay right now... its a $10 piece so not incused
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255838569449?_trkparms=amclksrc=ITM&aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20180816085401&meid=27b7b869292a4e9db0ddfd852a2fdeb1&pid=100970&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=255838569449&itm=255838569449&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100970.m5481&_trkparms=pageci:05cfb59e-70c5-11ed-9eb6-f2da8396edc9|parentrq:c93064071840ad33bf50c193ffff60e2|iid:1
Here is screen grabs of the above coin for reference .
It's all about what the people want...
And actually now that Im looking at them side by side, they are in fact not the same die pair.
@TomB , is this one of the dies pairing you spoke of from above?
It's all about what the people want...
This don’t look like Dan’s’‼️
On eBay and I contacted him about a certificate and he didn’t have one……. Said some dealer told him it was Dans’
I saw that, too, and thought they might have looked at the "D.C." on the reverse and jumped to conclusions. Otherwise, Dan's work is certainly taking a different turn!
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I own one and will look to see if I have the Indian eagle imaged, but it is not an incuse coin. Only the half-eagle and quarter-eagle from Pratt are incuse.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
That is correct, what I shared and what is in the ebay auction are two different die marriages. I own the coin I shared and also own an Indian eagle overstruck with the same die pair as is offered in the current ebay auction. The last die pair produced used the Oregon Exchange Company text on the obverse paired with the small beaver (1946 Oregon Numismatic Society die) on the reverse of an 1849 Liberty eagle. I have one of those, as well, and will see if I already have images of that, too.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Sad to say…………” I’m BROKE”‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️😱😱😱😱👀😱😱😱
Thanks for the heads up though,bro‼️‼️👍👍👍
Today's product availability prompted me to look at the ASE o/s production blog documentation. I saw this:
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Does anyone here have one of these?
I'm wondering if anyone here know who the commissioning distributor might be?
I've seen other commissioned items from Daniel / Moonlight Mint appear on the CCN site, but did not see this one listed.
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Nice....I ordered this one
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With the new items for sale on the MM site, the Seated Liberty Dollar o/s offerings are gone. I wonder if the production figures listed now will become the "final" figures?
1874-S #29
1874-CC #42
1853-O #38
1837-O #54
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According to my notes those #s were posted in the middle of October. So, they should go up except for the 1837.
I think.....
I could not find any of todays items in the catalog (will take a closer look later) so I assume updates will be made in the near future.
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
.> @pcgscacgold said:
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You'll find some items in the section ("Fantasy-Type Over-Struck Coins") near the bottom of this page: http://www.moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_over-struck_list.htm
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They are there bro, I had to take a screenshot from the items for sale today…… and then I could reference with the “ minted items “ catalog.
(I want some of everything , but have money for none….. maybe I can sell some stuff…. I reduced some of my prices)‼️
I'm MORE broke now.
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Where is your BST posting?
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eBay , Nickshobbies
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That is definitely not my work.
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I’m emailing him on eBay with screenshots of your response,Dan‼️………………. Contacted him and he’s removed it👍
Nice Nick, you have a wide array of fantasies available.
I learned a long time ago; I cannot buy everything Carr issues as I have had to keep powder dry.
Sometimes that costs me more later when I faceplant, realizing I should have acted by buying direct. I passed on 2009S Wheatie, then poof, gone. Regrets. I got one now. How cool is that ?
One of these days I may thin the MM heard but in meantime I just stack goodies from my favorite coinage art artist.
I skipped all of today's current Moon Light Mint offers as Moraned and couple unrelated hobbies absolutely tapped me out till next year.
I was sad to see Ed offer up his treasures, having bought a couple dozen MM years ago from him, I am certain these stashed goodies meant the world to him, but I am glad I won all four items I absolutely had to own.
Lindy
I know brother (LindyS), I hate passing on any Daniel Carr’s , but sometimes there aren’t any resources, and the possibility to pick’em later exist.
You can bet if I have the money I’ll buy ‼️‼️
And I hope I never have to sell any of my favorite….. sad to hear that anyone had to sell their favorite pieces ‼️😱😱😱
I did as well. I love that it is o/s on an Ike. ...I'm an Ike collector, but really would rather see modern issues sans dead Presidents, and instead, using classic designs. Now, this is a dollar (conceptually awesome)!
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