@garnettstyle said:
Did some people say Louisville would beat Bama?
BTW I don't think anyone was beating Houston at Houston last night
mark
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I think Louisville was ripe for the picking as they were sloppy the week before vs Wake. Actually losing at halftime.
So this helps my Wisconsin!! Two more B1G wins away from the Conference Championship game. While I don't think this represents their best chance to win that game, I really hope they somehow end up playing either Michigan or OSU. One of them will have two losses and if Wisconsin can win that game as a dog and avenge the earlier loss then I think Bucky gets in. A win vs PSU in that game I don't feel gives them the best chance to get into the playoff. Of course there is much ball left to play.
I think the Big 10 Champ gets in no matter who it is. Quality of teams in the Big 10 is very good this year. I don't think the Big 10 Champ will be a match for Alabama no matter who it is.
@Bullsitter said:
Remember last year when Michigan State beat OSU in the rain and kept OSU out of the playoffs?
Revenge time, poor old MSU, I bet they get beat by 50.
I hope OSU wins by 51 : )
I was at Madison Square Garden last night and someone said Barrett has never won in foul weather. Not sure the exact parameters.
Me with Michigan Legend center Terry Mills. We grew up a few miles apart. He starred on the 89 National Championship team and played 11 years in the NBA........mark
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the Good Guys squeak by MSU 17-16 in East Lansing where it just never seems to be easy. if I'm not mistaken, the score is identical to 2014 when the Buckeyes last visited Michigan State. I am happy that next week is in Columbus and not Ann Arbor.
methinks the committee room will be filled with sweating gentleman tomorrow.
Michigan was destroying a pretty decent SMU team at the Garden -- didn't see the final but it was not competitive. I saw that Mills was doing the commentary -- he was a heck of a player.
Back to football, the Big 12 is a mess. My KSU team just dismantled Baylor at Baylor -- the Bears looked awful. Oklahoma
s defense is terrible this year. Big 10 is very strong at the top but the bottom 4 or 5 teams are just awful.
I know that the committee has its own criteria for how it picks teams and it needs to be earned on the field but if I was picking the 4 teams I would like to see, I think I would go
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Michigan (although they better pick it up and beat Indiana)
Woudn't mind Washington either if they win out. Wisconsin is a pretty good team but their best win is probably LSU. The unbalanced schedule really hurts the Big 10 in some ways. I don't want to see Penn State or Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. I think they would just be fodder for the better teams.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
@breakdown said:
Michigan was destroying a pretty decent SMU team at the Garden -- didn't see the final but it was not competitive. I saw that Mills was doing the commentary -- he was a heck of a player.
Back to football, the Big 12 is a mess. My KSU team just dismantled Baylor at Baylor -- the Bears looked awful. Oklahoma
s defense is terrible this year. Big 10 is very strong at the top but the bottom 4 or 5 teams are just awful.
I know that the committee has its own criteria for how it picks teams and it needs to be earned on the field but if I was picking the 4 teams I would like to see, I think I would go
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Michigan (although they better pick it up and beat Indiana)
Woudn't mind Washington either if they win out. Wisconsin is a pretty good team but their best win is probably LSU. The unbalanced schedule really hurts the Big 10 in some ways. I don't want to see Penn State or Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. I think they would just be fodder for the better teams.
I figured the Indiana game was going to be ugly but not this ugly .
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@sparky64 said:
Indiana is not a pushover team.
Good win for Michigan.
Also, I refuse to believe that Mich. St. Is as bad as their record would indicate.
A win in November in rain, sleet and snow with the back up QB-----Michigan will take it. They imposed their physical will in the second half.
Michigan is the only team with three wins against the current Top Ten CFB standings. I think OSU is the only team with 2. They could add a third next week providing Oklahoma wins tonight. I was hoping both OSU & Michigan would win this week.
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Ah, Michigan beat Indiana about 3 hours ago. You must have some epic lag to your satellite or internet. I suggest an upgrade
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Ah, Michigan beat Indiana about 3 hours ago. You must have some epic lag to your satellite or internet. I suggest an upgrade
not sure if this is directed towards my comment, but if it is I am confused by it. breakdown seemed to be picking the four Teams he liked for the playoffs and I was simply stating that after next weekend either OSU or Michigan would be knocked out, so it will not materialize.
also, I have a hard time seeing how the Big 10 Champion makes it in, the leap would just be too much. with the two likely participants in that game at 7&8, how could they leapfrog over 4-5-6 to get in if those Teams all win out?? additionally, that would place two Big 10 Teams in the playoff and that's a scenario that nobody really wants
If we don't play any better than last night we will get beat by Auburn and Florida, forget the playoffs. We played like zombies most of the game. Coach Saban was pissed, I've never seen him like that.
@keets said: Ah, Michigan beat Indiana about 3 hours ago. You must have some epic lag to your satellite or internet. I suggest an upgrade
not sure if this is directed towards my comment, but if it is I am confused by it. breakdown seemed to be picking the four Teams he liked for the playoffs and I was simply stating that after next weekend either OSU or Michigan would be knocked out, so it will not materialize.
also, I have a hard time seeing how the Big 10 Champion makes it in, the leap would just be too much. with the two likely participants in that game at 7&8, how could they leapfrog over 4-5-6 to get in if those Teams all win out?? additionally, that would place two Big 10 Teams in the playoff and that's a scenario that nobody really wants
Yes it was. I was referring to your comment that Michigan better pick it up and beat Indiana. You made that comment 3 hours after Michigan beat Indiana. Yes, it was indeed confusing
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Mark, page back and realize that all I did was copy/paste what breakdown had written. the comment about "Michigan better pick it up" was his from during the game, not mine three hours late.
@keets said:
Mark, page back and realize that all I did was copy/paste what breakdown had written. the comment about "Michigan better pick it up" was his from during the game, not mine three hours late.
Thanks for solving that mystery for me!
Gotcha! My bad
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so now both the AP and Coaches Polls have moved Wisconsin to #5 and #6, respectively while keeping Penn State at #8. the first thing that comes to mind is that there are three Big 10 Teams in the Top 5/6 which just doesn't seem realistic. the second thing that comes to mind is that if the Selection Committee follows suit it really eases the pressure on the decision to reject the winner of the OSU vs. Michigan game. it almost appears that odds have been placed on Wisconsin being the victor in the Big 10 Championship which strikes me as very peculiar.
next week will be pivotal in the Big 10 and ultimately in the final set-up for the playoff. as interesting as the OSU vs. Michigan game will be, probably just as big is MSU vs. Penn State. if MSU pulls off an upset and the other game is close either way it will be interesting to see what the line-up is prior to League Championship week.
@keets said:
so now both the AP and Coaches Polls have moved Wisconsin to #5 and #6, respectively while keeping Penn State at #8. the first thing that comes to mind is that there are three Big 10 Teams in the Top 5/6 which just doesn't seem realistic. the second thing that comes to mind is that if the Selection Committee follows suit it really eases the pressure on the decision to reject the winner of the OSU vs. Michigan game. it almost appears that odds have been placed on Wisconsin being the victor in the Big 10 Championship which strikes me as very peculiar.
next week will be pivotal in the Big 10 and ultimately in the final set-up for the playoff. as interesting as the OSU vs. Michigan game will be, probably just as big is MSU vs. Penn State. if MSU pulls off an upset and the other game is close either way it will be interesting to see what the line-up is prior to League Championship week.
I think if Michigan wins Saturday and loses in the Big Ten Championship Game they still have a good shot providing Washington doesn't run the table. What two loss team would pass them? Michigan would have beaten 4 teams in the current top ten. Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State and Colorado. I would expect the four would be Wisconsin, Alabama, Clemson with one loss and Michigan. Who could jump them?
Both Michigan & OSU would be favorite over Wisconsin.
If OSU wins Saturday and I suspect they will there still is a nightmare scenero for them if Penn State beats State at home. Alabama in. Clemson in with one loss. Washington in with one loss and a PAC 10 Champiosnship. That leaves the committee with the choice of an 11-1 deserving OSU team or the Big Ten champion Wisconsin or Penn State. If Penn State wins how they going to pick OSU over Penn State?
Anyways I think OSU will be in with a win over Michigan & a Washington loss either in the Chanpionship game or to WSU. I think WSU will beat Washington this weekend even though Washington is a 5.5 point favorite.
Penn State is a 12 point favorite over MSU FWIW. UM vs OSU is a noon game and PSU vs MSU is @ 3:30pm. If OSU beats Michigan Penn State will know a win puts them in the Championship Game. I think that works very much in their favor.
Crazy stuff.
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the reason I stated what I did about the four Big 10 Teams being unlikely Top 10 contenders is that I believe the various Polls are starting to do some damage control in preparation for a scenario which could be embarrassing. leaving Wisconsin and Penn State around 7-8 going into a Championship, where the victor is a supposed playoff choice, would make things difficult in the meeting room. sliding them up around #5 eases any decision and quiets the crowd noise a little when they jump over a better Team to #4.
certainly I am biased, but I don't really think Penn State or Wisconsin is the best Team in the Big 10 just like I didn't think MSU was the best Team last season. if this is how things are going to be decided then the playoff should be restructured. right now it seems that there are five Conferences and four spots available, leaving the choices not about who the best teams might be but what the best games might be to accomplish two goals: have two very entertaining games that make the most possible fans happy --- and --- have the best match-ups which assure that the consensus #1 plays for the Championship.
They aren't getting mentioned a lot here, but I have to think if Washington beats Washington State Friday, then wins a revenge game against USC in the PAC12 Championship game, they are in.
Even with a win against Michigan, Ohio State is not safe. Would the committee really take Ohio State over Penn State (with a head-to-head win and conference title)?
@PM770 said:
They aren't getting mentioned a lot here, but I have to think if Washington beats Washington State Friday, then wins a revenge game against USC in the PAC12 Championship game, they are in.
Even with a win against Michigan, Ohio State is not safe. Would the committee really take Ohio State over Penn State (with a head-to-head win and conference title)?
I agree as stated above that is the nightmare scenario for OSU
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Would the committee really take Ohio State over Penn State (with a head-to-head win and conference title)?
based on what has happened in the past, no.
based on what the whole Playoff scenario is supposed to be about, yes.
if they are stuck on the importance of the Conference Champion, then one of the Power Five Conferences will be left out every year. if the objective of the Playoff system as we now have it is to match the four best Teams then that is hat they should consider when making their choices.
They seem to value Conference Championships, head to head and strength of schedule. It will be interesting to see which they value most.
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@Bullsitter said:
If we don't play any better than last night we will get beat by Auburn and Florida, forget the playoffs. We played like zombies most of the game. Coach Saban was pissed, I've never seen him like that.
Neither OSU or Michigan looked like world beaters on Saturday either.
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@Bullsitter said:
If we don't play any better than last night we will get beat by Auburn and Florida, forget the playoffs. We played like zombies most of the game. Coach Saban was pissed, I've never seen him like that.
Neither OSU or Michigan looked like world beaters on Saturday either.
mark
Maybe they were looking ahead to this week, I hope so. I think OSU and TTUN play early, then the Iron Bowl right after. Great day of football coming up.
@Bullsitter said:
If we don't play any better than last night we will get beat by Auburn and Florida, forget the playoffs. We played like zombies most of the game. Coach Saban was pissed, I've never seen him like that.
Neither OSU or Michigan looked like world beaters on Saturday either.
mark
Maybe they were looking ahead to this week, I hope so. I think OSU and TTUN play early, then the Iron Bowl right after. Great day of football coming up.
Yep. Mich-OSU @ noon. I'll be holed up in Chicago for Thanksgiving. I've been to more of these games in both venues then I would care to admit
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Y'all check out Paul Finebaum on the SEC Network. It's Rivalry Week and he'll have some crazy callers this week. Callers from Ohio and Michigan call all the time, lots of fun. Even have callers from California, home of the USC Trojans, which just happens to be playing some pretty good ball.
U$C is the best 3 loss team in the country. Their losses were all against teams in the top 10 at the top of the losses (I think). I say they beat ND and U-Dub by 35 each and make the playoff as the team nobody wants to play. Ok, maybe a stretch but they are playing more like the team that held Alabama in check the first half of that game rather than the team that came out in the second half of that game.
Alabama is in no matter what at this point.
1 or 2 Big 10 teams of any number of varieties are in. I would love the committee to have to choose between 1 loss OSU and 2 loss Penn State. I don't care which way they go but want to her them justify whatever their decision. Lol.
What if Clemson loses a game? They are out right?
I think Washington could, and probably would, still make it by winning their final 2. One loss Washington or 2 loss Penn State? I think it's debateable at least. I'd be interested what the committee does on that.
much of what affected the OSU/MSU game was the weather. it forced the Teams to rely more on a running game and the play in the trenches. when that happens it can be a real equalizer and tilt the balance in the direction of the weaker overall Team. it helped MSU more than it helped OSU.
not making excuses, just my perspective. the weather at this time of year up north can be something Teams from the south and west never experience.
I think it would be quite a Cinderella story if the Colorado Buffalos demolish Utah at home next weekend and then the winner of the PAC 12 North in the Conference title game. If the Buffalos win both games by large margins and if other teams in the mix for one of the 4 spots in the playoffs stumble and lose it would be possible that Colorado could land one of the 4 spots.
For a team that has been on the skids for over a decade and who last year won a single game in the Pac 12 last year this has been a very good year for them.
@keets said: Maybe they were looking ahead to this week,
much of what affected the OSU/MSU game was the weather. it forced the Teams to rely more on a running game and the play in the trenches. when that happens it can be a real equalizer and tilt the balance in the direction of the weaker overall Team. it helped MSU more than it helped OSU.
not making excuses, just my perspective. the weather at this time of year up north can be something Teams from the south and west never experience.
Ah, that sounds exactly like an excuse : )
Western Michigan played in the same exact conditions at the same time and won by 30 something. The same amount they were favored by. OSU like Michigan were favored by 20 plus points.
Sorry I'm not buying your explanation entirely at face value. I'm going with Michigan & Ohio State didn't play well on Saturday. I know Michigan didn't and they won by 10.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
mark
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@SanctionII said:
I think it would be quite a Cinderella story if the Colorado Buffalos demolish Utah at home next weekend and then the winner of the PAC 12 North in the Conference title game. If the Buffalos win both games by large margins and if other teams in the mix for one of the 4 spots in the playoffs stumble and lose it would be possible that Colorado could land one of the 4 spots.
For a team that has been on the skids for over a decade and who last year won a single game in the Pac 12 last year this has been a very good year for them.
No question. Amazing they are in the position they are in. Almost as unlikely who thought Washington v. Washington State would be for the winner to go to the Pac 12 champ game. I have to imagine just about nobody picked that as a possibility.
Mark, I'm not making an excuse, I agree that OSU didn't play well. all I'm saying is that when they're forced to rely on running the ball and stopping the run OSU isn't a very good Team, they need to be able to pass. the game last week highlighted that as a few other games this year have. also, Urban Meyer has an Achilles heel when it comes to certain opposing coaches and Marc Dantonio is one of them. he seems to get stupid and outplayed.
as far as the discussion about the Conference Champions getting the bid over a perceived better non-Champion with a better record, if either Clemson or Alabama loses the Conference should they automatically be out??
it would be something if Alabama lost along the way. If they lost the Championship Game they still would be in. Clemson probably not.
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that runs along with my thinking and what I infer is that there are certain Teams the committee wants in the playoff, hence, the "unwritten rules" that don't have to be adhered to. I remember being around 10-12 years old and during a neighborhood pick-up game one of the kids remarked that "Somebody needs to write down all these unwritten rules."
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1) Alabama
2) Ohio State
3) Michigan
4) Clemson
5) Washington
6) Wisconsin
7) Penn State
8) Oklahoma
9) Colorado
10) Oklahoma State
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it appears after this latest re-shuffling that the Teams in the top four slots will be those that are undefeated or have suffered only one loss. it doesn't appear a two loss Team will be allowed in ahead of a one loss Team.
@keets said:
it appears after this latest re-shuffling that the Teams in the top four slots will be those that are undefeated or have suffered only one loss. it doesn't appear a two loss Team will be allowed in ahead of a one loss Team.
Keep in mind, that in 2014, TCU had a 50+ point win and dropped from 3 to 6 in that final week. I'm still expecting some wild swings.
There are still games to be played between 2 and 3 and 6 v either 2,3 or 7. So 2 of the top 7 are still guaranteed to drop a game before its all over.
@keets said:
it appears after this latest re-shuffling that the Teams in the top four slots will be those that are undefeated or have suffered only one loss. it doesn't appear a two loss Team will be allowed in ahead of a one loss Team.
Keep in mind, that in 2014, TCU had a 50+ point win and dropped from 3 to 6 in that final week. I'm still expecting some wild swings.
There are still games to be played between 2 and 3 and 6 v either 2,3 or 7. So 2 of the top 7 are still guaranteed to drop a game before its all over.
Correct.
keets there was no reason to reshuffle last week. The top 4 held serve. Louisville lost and dropped out of the top ten and just about everyone else moved a spot. The real shuffling happens the next two weeks.
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BTW I don't think anyone was beating Houston at Houston last night
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Houston makes hay whenever they are the underdogs.
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I think Louisville was ripe for the picking as they were sloppy the week before vs Wake. Actually losing at halftime.
So this helps my Wisconsin!! Two more B1G wins away from the Conference Championship game. While I don't think this represents their best chance to win that game, I really hope they somehow end up playing either Michigan or OSU. One of them will have two losses and if Wisconsin can win that game as a dog and avenge the earlier loss then I think Bucky gets in. A win vs PSU in that game I don't feel gives them the best chance to get into the playoff. Of course there is much ball left to play.
Jeff
I think the Big 10 Champ gets in no matter who it is. Quality of teams in the Big 10 is very good this year. I don't think the Big 10 Champ will be a match for Alabama no matter who it is.
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Remember last year when Michigan State beat OSU in the rain and kept OSU out of the playoffs?
Revenge time, poor old MSU, I bet they get beat by 50.
Well the game is over and boy was I wrong.
and again I am shut out at work, the OSU game must be on BTN which we don't get. I ill watch Wisconsin vs. Purdue and follow the Buckeyes online.
I hope OSU wins by 51 : )
I was at Madison Square Garden last night and someone said Barrett has never won in foul weather. Not sure the exact parameters.
Me with Michigan Legend center Terry Mills. We grew up a few miles apart. He starred on the 89 National Championship team and played 11 years in the NBA........mark
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Mark, finally a face to match up to an online buddy. I never suspected that you were an African-American and I had you pictured as being much younger.
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the Good Guys squeak by MSU 17-16 in East Lansing where it just never seems to be easy. if I'm not mistaken, the score is identical to 2014 when the Buckeyes last visited Michigan State. I am happy that next week is in Columbus and not Ann Arbor.
methinks the committee room will be filled with sweating gentleman tomorrow.
Michigan was destroying a pretty decent SMU team at the Garden -- didn't see the final but it was not competitive. I saw that Mills was doing the commentary -- he was a heck of a player.
Back to football, the Big 12 is a mess. My KSU team just dismantled Baylor at Baylor -- the Bears looked awful. Oklahoma
s defense is terrible this year. Big 10 is very strong at the top but the bottom 4 or 5 teams are just awful.
I know that the committee has its own criteria for how it picks teams and it needs to be earned on the field but if I was picking the 4 teams I would like to see, I think I would go
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Michigan (although they better pick it up and beat Indiana)
Woudn't mind Washington either if they win out. Wisconsin is a pretty good team but their best win is probably LSU. The unbalanced schedule really hurts the Big 10 in some ways. I don't want to see Penn State or Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. I think they would just be fodder for the better teams.
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I figured the Indiana game was going to be ugly but not this ugly .
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Indiana is not a pushover team.
Good win for Michigan.
Also, I refuse to believe that Mich. St. Is as bad as their record would indicate.
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A win in November in rain, sleet and snow with the back up QB-----Michigan will take it. They imposed their physical will in the second half.
Michigan is the only team with three wins against the current Top Ten CFB standings. I think OSU is the only team with 2. They could add a third next week providing Oklahoma wins tonight. I was hoping both OSU & Michigan would win this week.
mark
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the 4 teams I would like to see, I think I would go
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Michigan (although they better pick it up and beat Indiana)
this will never happen, effective next week.
Ah, Michigan beat Indiana about 3 hours ago. You must have some epic lag to your satellite or internet. I suggest an upgrade
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Ah, Michigan beat Indiana about 3 hours ago. You must have some epic lag to your satellite or internet. I suggest an upgrade
not sure if this is directed towards my comment, but if it is I am confused by it. breakdown seemed to be picking the four Teams he liked for the playoffs and I was simply stating that after next weekend either OSU or Michigan would be knocked out, so it will not materialize.
also, I have a hard time seeing how the Big 10 Champion makes it in, the leap would just be too much. with the two likely participants in that game at 7&8, how could they leapfrog over 4-5-6 to get in if those Teams all win out?? additionally, that would place two Big 10 Teams in the playoff and that's a scenario that nobody really wants
If we don't play any better than last night we will get beat by Auburn and Florida, forget the playoffs. We played like zombies most of the game. Coach Saban was pissed, I've never seen him like that.
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Yes it was. I was referring to your comment that Michigan better pick it up and beat Indiana. You made that comment 3 hours after Michigan beat Indiana. Yes, it was indeed confusing
mark
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Mark, page back and realize that all I did was copy/paste what breakdown had written. the comment about "Michigan better pick it up" was his from during the game, not mine three hours late.
Thanks for solving that mystery for me!
Gotcha! My bad
mark
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An interesting article on the playoff picture. mark
http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/what-we-learned-breaking-down-college-football-playoff-scenarios/?ref=yfp
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My current top ten
Bama
Ohio State
TTUN
Wisconsin
Clemson
Washington
Penn State
Oklahoma
Colorado
Florida
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
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so now both the AP and Coaches Polls have moved Wisconsin to #5 and #6, respectively while keeping Penn State at #8. the first thing that comes to mind is that there are three Big 10 Teams in the Top 5/6 which just doesn't seem realistic. the second thing that comes to mind is that if the Selection Committee follows suit it really eases the pressure on the decision to reject the winner of the OSU vs. Michigan game. it almost appears that odds have been placed on Wisconsin being the victor in the Big 10 Championship which strikes me as very peculiar.
next week will be pivotal in the Big 10 and ultimately in the final set-up for the playoff. as interesting as the OSU vs. Michigan game will be, probably just as big is MSU vs. Penn State. if MSU pulls off an upset and the other game is close either way it will be interesting to see what the line-up is prior to League Championship week.
I think if Michigan wins Saturday and loses in the Big Ten Championship Game they still have a good shot providing Washington doesn't run the table. What two loss team would pass them? Michigan would have beaten 4 teams in the current top ten. Wisconsin, Ohio State, Penn State and Colorado. I would expect the four would be Wisconsin, Alabama, Clemson with one loss and Michigan. Who could jump them?
Both Michigan & OSU would be favorite over Wisconsin.
If OSU wins Saturday and I suspect they will there still is a nightmare scenero for them if Penn State beats State at home. Alabama in. Clemson in with one loss. Washington in with one loss and a PAC 10 Champiosnship. That leaves the committee with the choice of an 11-1 deserving OSU team or the Big Ten champion Wisconsin or Penn State. If Penn State wins how they going to pick OSU over Penn State?
Anyways I think OSU will be in with a win over Michigan & a Washington loss either in the Chanpionship game or to WSU. I think WSU will beat Washington this weekend even though Washington is a 5.5 point favorite.
Penn State is a 12 point favorite over MSU FWIW. UM vs OSU is a noon game and PSU vs MSU is @ 3:30pm. If OSU beats Michigan Penn State will know a win puts them in the Championship Game. I think that works very much in their favor.
Crazy stuff.
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Nebraska also has a shot at the big ten championship if they beat Iowa and Wisconsin loses to Minnesota.
My final four prediction
Alabama
Ohio State
Clemson
Wisconsin
So, in that order the playoff semifinal games would be:
Alabama vs Wisconsin
Ohio State vs Clemson
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
the reason I stated what I did about the four Big 10 Teams being unlikely Top 10 contenders is that I believe the various Polls are starting to do some damage control in preparation for a scenario which could be embarrassing. leaving Wisconsin and Penn State around 7-8 going into a Championship, where the victor is a supposed playoff choice, would make things difficult in the meeting room. sliding them up around #5 eases any decision and quiets the crowd noise a little when they jump over a better Team to #4.
certainly I am biased, but I don't really think Penn State or Wisconsin is the best Team in the Big 10 just like I didn't think MSU was the best Team last season. if this is how things are going to be decided then the playoff should be restructured. right now it seems that there are five Conferences and four spots available, leaving the choices not about who the best teams might be but what the best games might be to accomplish two goals: have two very entertaining games that make the most possible fans happy --- and --- have the best match-ups which assure that the consensus #1 plays for the Championship.
They aren't getting mentioned a lot here, but I have to think if Washington beats Washington State Friday, then wins a revenge game against USC in the PAC12 Championship game, they are in.
Even with a win against Michigan, Ohio State is not safe. Would the committee really take Ohio State over Penn State (with a head-to-head win and conference title)?
I agree as stated above that is the nightmare scenario for OSU
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Would the committee really take Ohio State over Penn State (with a head-to-head win and conference title)?
based on what has happened in the past, no.
based on what the whole Playoff scenario is supposed to be about, yes.
if they are stuck on the importance of the Conference Champion, then one of the Power Five Conferences will be left out every year. if the objective of the Playoff system as we now have it is to match the four best Teams then that is hat they should consider when making their choices.
They seem to value Conference Championships, head to head and strength of schedule. It will be interesting to see which they value most.
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Neither OSU or Michigan looked like world beaters on Saturday either.
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Maybe they were looking ahead to this week, I hope so. I think OSU and TTUN play early, then the Iron Bowl right after. Great day of football coming up.
Yep. Mich-OSU @ noon. I'll be holed up in Chicago for Thanksgiving. I've been to more of these games in both venues then I would care to admit
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Y'all check out Paul Finebaum on the SEC Network. It's Rivalry Week and he'll have some crazy callers this week. Callers from Ohio and Michigan call all the time, lots of fun. Even have callers from California, home of the USC Trojans, which just happens to be playing some pretty good ball.
U$C is the best 3 loss team in the country. Their losses were all against teams in the top 10 at the top of the losses (I think). I say they beat ND and U-Dub by 35 each and make the playoff as the team nobody wants to play. Ok, maybe a stretch but they are playing more like the team that held Alabama in check the first half of that game rather than the team that came out in the second half of that game.
Alabama is in no matter what at this point.
1 or 2 Big 10 teams of any number of varieties are in. I would love the committee to have to choose between 1 loss OSU and 2 loss Penn State. I don't care which way they go but want to her them justify whatever their decision. Lol.
What if Clemson loses a game? They are out right?
I think Washington could, and probably would, still make it by winning their final 2. One loss Washington or 2 loss Penn State? I think it's debateable at least. I'd be interested what the committee does on that.
Still several ways this can play out.
I hope for some chaos the next two weeks.
Maybe they were looking ahead to this week,
much of what affected the OSU/MSU game was the weather. it forced the Teams to rely more on a running game and the play in the trenches. when that happens it can be a real equalizer and tilt the balance in the direction of the weaker overall Team. it helped MSU more than it helped OSU.
not making excuses, just my perspective. the weather at this time of year up north can be something Teams from the south and west never experience.
I think it would be quite a Cinderella story if the Colorado Buffalos demolish Utah at home next weekend and then the winner of the PAC 12 North in the Conference title game. If the Buffalos win both games by large margins and if other teams in the mix for one of the 4 spots in the playoffs stumble and lose it would be possible that Colorado could land one of the 4 spots.
For a team that has been on the skids for over a decade and who last year won a single game in the Pac 12 last year this has been a very good year for them.
Ah, that sounds exactly like an excuse : )
Western Michigan played in the same exact conditions at the same time and won by 30 something. The same amount they were favored by. OSU like Michigan were favored by 20 plus points.
Sorry I'm not buying your explanation entirely at face value. I'm going with Michigan & Ohio State didn't play well on Saturday. I know Michigan didn't and they won by 10.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
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No question. Amazing they are in the position they are in. Almost as unlikely who thought Washington v. Washington State would be for the winner to go to the Pac 12 champ game. I have to imagine just about nobody picked that as a possibility.
Mark, I'm not making an excuse, I agree that OSU didn't play well. all I'm saying is that when they're forced to rely on running the ball and stopping the run OSU isn't a very good Team, they need to be able to pass. the game last week highlighted that as a few other games this year have. also, Urban Meyer has an Achilles heel when it comes to certain opposing coaches and Marc Dantonio is one of them. he seems to get stupid and outplayed.
as far as the discussion about the Conference Champions getting the bid over a perceived better non-Champion with a better record, if either Clemson or Alabama loses the Conference should they automatically be out??
it would be something if Alabama lost along the way. If they lost the Championship Game they still would be in. Clemson probably not.
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that runs along with my thinking and what I infer is that there are certain Teams the committee wants in the playoff, hence, the "unwritten rules" that don't have to be adhered to. I remember being around 10-12 years old and during a neighborhood pick-up game one of the kids remarked that "Somebody needs to write down all these unwritten rules."
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New College Football Rankings
1) Alabama
2) Ohio State
3) Michigan
4) Clemson
5) Washington
6) Wisconsin
7) Penn State
8) Oklahoma
9) Colorado
10) Oklahoma State
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it appears after this latest re-shuffling that the Teams in the top four slots will be those that are undefeated or have suffered only one loss. it doesn't appear a two loss Team will be allowed in ahead of a one loss Team.
Keep in mind, that in 2014, TCU had a 50+ point win and dropped from 3 to 6 in that final week. I'm still expecting some wild swings.
There are still games to be played between 2 and 3 and 6 v either 2,3 or 7. So 2 of the top 7 are still guaranteed to drop a game before its all over.
Correct.
keets there was no reason to reshuffle last week. The top 4 held serve. Louisville lost and dropped out of the top ten and just about everyone else moved a spot. The real shuffling happens the next two weeks.
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