@DIMEMAN said:
Is anyone here interested in getting the Liberty Nickel Series added to the Complete Barber Set...since it was designed by Barber? Maybe ever his other work being the Pan Pac Half Commem. I think that would be neat.
I, personally, am not interested Jon. I agree, however, with your thinking as being correct in making the suggestion in the first place.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@oih82w8 said:
I received this 1892-O 25C PCGS AU58 back from @messydesk after variety attribution...it's not what I thought it was (TDR), but John straightened me out on another variety (L-103 DDR);
This is a non-New Orleans coin. Your statement "I received this 1892-O 25C PCGS AU58" asks me to beg the question if this was the coin you intended to show? In any case, the 1892-P is a nice coin.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
This is a non-New Orleans coin. Your statement "I received this 1892-O 25C PCGS AU58" asks me to beg the question if this was the coin you intended to show? In any case, the 1892-P is a nice coin.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction. I have a similarly toned 92-O as well.
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's
That '09 S looks nicer than a XF40 to me. Great pickup.
I submitted several Barber Quarters to PCGS in early May; they've all been graded and are on their way back to Papa. I had 8 free vouchers so I opted for the Secure tier that provides TruView photos. It's fun for me to see how my photo skills compare to the pros, and to learn from their lighting techniques.
One of the orders submitted contained a '96 O NGC AU 55 Quarter and a '97 O NGC AU 50 Quarter for crossover. I listed them as "ANY" for the grade. Both of them made the cut to PC holders. The '96 O downgraded to a PC53:
The '97 O was holdered at the same grade, an AU50:
I'm not surprised that the '96 O was net graded to a 53. It looks like a solid 55 to me, but the marks on the obverse knocked it down a grade.
I'm surprised that the '97 O didn't upgrade, however. It looks like a 53 to 55 coin to me. Any thoughts on what's holding it back?
@JeffMTampa Jeff. I appreciate how you continually bring cool discussion topics and neat coins to this Hayes' Forum.
My thoughts on the '96-O: I can see how the prominent cheek mark and chatter neck mark had our hosts think of the coin as PC53. Toning and denticle coloring is very nice on that coin.
My thoughts on the '97-O is that it should be PC55 (minimum 53 to me). I like the die crack from the last S in STATES to the rim on the reverse. The obverse does have minor scratching and a small, but minor, nose bridge hit that is just enough to maybe take it from 55 to PC53 in my view. PC50, wow? our hosts have been doing this to my coins lately as well - a full grade lower than general consensus. I mean, c'mon... it is a New Orleans coin for strike. Grade-lowering will not be on all coins but a noticable number of them. I like the near-rim coloring on the coin's obverse, pleasing. Their TV picture and lighting shows the coin to be a little more grayish in appearance than what I would typically like from imagery. I wish our hosts allowed owner pictures, with approvals of course, to be allowed to be digitally matched to the coin(s) the same way True Views are. That, to me, would be a nice new feature.
T
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@sedulous and I were chatting last week about collecting early Barber Quarters by MM position and Type 1/ Type 2 Rev on '92's. I noted to Tim that I was missing a '92 S Type 1 Rev and a '95 S Center MM. After that conversation I browsed eBay to see what I could find.
Common belief seems to be that all the nice raw coins have been submitted for grading- all that's left in the marketplace is damaged/ cleaned coins. I submit that's not 100% true.
I found a '92 S Type 1 Rev Quarter on eBay that was advertised as uncirculated condition. The listing photos made the coin look like it had obverse flaws, but there was a 30 day return period allowed. It was priced as a low end MS coin. I purchased it thinking it would likely need to be returned. It arrived today in the mail:
This coin looks to me like it will straight grade- potentially as a MS 62-63. The Type 1 Reverse much rarer than the Type 2, but since this variety isn't collected by many it has little additional $$ value. It has much greater value than a Type 2 to collectors like @sedulous and I.
The coin will be sent to our hosts in a few weeks. Who knows, but I think it will grade. My hope is that someday we can get PCGS to recognize the two reverse varieties. Anyone have a 2 X 4 I can borrow?
I would like it better in a 58+ holder...which I think it has a good shot at. If they treat you like they do me with Barber Halves it will come back as a 58 and you would have to send it 4 or 5 times under reconsideration for + to get the 58+!
@JeffMTampa said: @sedulous and I were chatting last week about collecting early Barber Quarters by MM position and Type 1/ Type 2 Rev on '92's. I noted to Tim that I was missing a '92 S Type 1 Rev and a '95 S Center MM. After that conversation I browsed eBay to see what I could find.
Common belief seems to be that all the nice raw coins have been submitted for grading- all that's left in the marketplace is damaged/ cleaned coins. I submit that's not 100% true.
I found a '92 S Type 1 Rev Quarter on eBay that was advertised as uncirculated condition. The listing photos made the coin look like it had obverse flaws, but there was a 30 day return period allowed. It was priced as a low end MS coin. I purchased it thinking it would likely need to be returned. It arrived today in the mail:
This coin looks to me like it will straight grade- potentially as a MS 62-63. The Type 1 Reverse much rarer than the Type 2, but since this variety isn't collected by many it has little additional $$ value. It has much greater value than a Type 2 to collectors like @sedulous and I.
The coin will be sent to our hosts in a few weeks. Who knows, but I think it will grade. My hope is that someday we can get PCGS to recognize the two reverse varieties. Anyone have a 2 X 4 I can borrow?
Although I don't see any luster breaks on the coin, an AU58 grade is a distinct possibility. But because it's worth more as a 58 than a 62 I'm guessing a MS 62. I would like nothing better than a 58+, but I won't be submitting the coin numerous times to get it.
Are you Barber Quarte collectors acquiring both REV examples, or is the consensus it doesn't matter?
Although I don't see any luster breaks on the coin, an AU58 grade is a distinct possibility. But because it's worth more as a 58 than a 62 I'm guessing a MS 62. I would like nothing better than a 58+, but I won't be submitting the coin numerous times to get it.
Are you Barber Quarte collectors acquiring both REV examples, or is the consensus it doesn't matter?
Although I don't see any luster breaks on the coin, an AU58 grade is a distinct possibility. But because it's worth more as a 58 than a 62 I'm guessing a MS 62. I would like nothing better than a 58+, but I won't be submitting the coin numerous times to get it.
Are you Barber Quarter collectors acquiring both REV examples, or is the consensus it doesn't matter?
I'm with Jeff. I am closing in on the MM varieties '92 through '97. As Jeff said, there are just a couple left. Going back to Jeff's comments earlier on giving Gold Shield a try to compare digital images, here is one that was recently returned as a reholder. The previous holder I received from 3rd Party auction was so scratched-up, I decided to end my frustration. This 1910-P quarter is XF45 and now in a Gold Shield holder with a newly-captured TV:
T
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@Eldorado9 said:
Another recent score=Original 1909 Proof set....! Very Yummy...
Love the early proof-set approach Eldo! The Barber material colors are stunning.
Thanks for the good words Sedulous! Yes, there is just something very special about these original Proof Sets from the Barber era....The colors are just fantastic, the flash of the original mirrors in your eye, the fact that I dreamed about these coins as a kid......They really are special, and I truly appreciate the opportunity to own and share them.
The 1909 set is interesting as it contains the Indian and Lincoln together. The Lincoln is a "Matte Proof" and has a raised, pebble- like surface under magnification. They apparently did this because they could not polish the new Lincoln dies with existing technology, so they sandblasted them instead!
@JeffMTampa said:
It would be great to see you exhibit your sets at a Coin Show (FUN) if we ever have one of those again......
Thanks Jeff, I know....I hope we can get back to that reality again, even if everyone at the show has a freaking mask on! It would be really fun to lay them all out under proper lighting and let people check them out....Sharing is the fun part of this hobby!
@JeffMTampa said:
It would be great to see you exhibit your sets at a Coin Show (FUN) if we ever have one of those again......
Thanks Jeff, I know....I hope we can get back to that reality again, even if everyone at the show has a freaking mask on! It would be really fun to lay them all out under proper lighting and let people check them out....Sharing is the fun part of this hobby!
@Eldorado9
You would want us to wear masks anyways, right? I am sure you would appreciate the drool collecting instead of having to clean your coin holders!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Hey, still taking a look at my 1898-S quarters for a duplicate of Jeff's beautiful new S/S North variety attribution. This one is raw...
Unfortunately. I believe this second specimen, in addition to the first shared not too long ago, doesn't have it. I will say, however, there is machine doubling on the reverse which is common for this date and mint.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Here is a recent newp picked up solely for the extreme mumps on this coin. At a minimum, I see three distinct buckled die mump areas. The typical neck area underneath the ear and two bumps in front of the chin! 1908-O Barber Half shown here. Any of you have other extreme mumps issues or specimens? - Tim
T
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@erwindoc said:
Anyone on here have an 1896 and an 1893-O half in G+/VG? I have a couple of empty holes in a side project I have put off too long!
From our correspondence, I got the '93-O covered for now (as a hole filler) although he could probably use something a little better. Also, @erwindoc can still use a '96-P half in low grade if anyone can spare one. - Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@erwindoc said:
Anyone on here have an 1896 and an 1893-O half in G+/VG? I have a couple of empty holes in a side project I have put off too long!
From our correspondence, I got the '93-O covered for now (as a hole filler) although he could probably use something a little better. Also, @erwindoc can still use a '96-P half in low grade if anyone can spare one. - Tim
A newp selected from Srotag's collection. A nice 1897-O PC45 CAC quarter. There are only 2 CAC-stickered with 33 across the whole date-mint in all grades. PCGS pop is 15 in XF45 and 305 in the total certified population across all grades. thanks Dave.
T
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Here is the quarter I can now part with since I just obtained a grade improvement from Jeff on a center MM 1895-O quarter... (thanks Jeff). I actually don't think this 1895-O NGC VF30 is all that bad:
Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Lenny and I had a brief chat on this... can anybody tell me more about these PQ stickers? I don't believe they even compare to Albanese's CAC sticker or do they? are they trying to go after the same market? how should we consider these? thanks...
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
CAC backs up their coins with sight-unseen bids for them on the CCE and CDNX dealer sites. I know of no such bids for "PQ" stickered coins. If such bids exist and the PQ designation is copyrighted and supported by a dealer or company, then maybe the PQ stickers mean something--otherwise, I could have them printed at Staples and add them to all my coins as marketing materials. And they would mean absolutely nothing other than my personal opinion that the coin is PQ or my attempt to sway a buyers opinion that the coin is nicer than it looks.
@Srotag said:
CAC backs up their coins with sight-unseen bids for them on the CCE and CDNX dealer sites. I know of no such bids for "PQ" stickered coins. If such bids exist and the PQ designation is copyrighted and supported by a dealer or company, then maybe the PQ stickers mean something--otherwise, I could have them printed at Staples and add them to all my coins as marketing materials. And they would mean absolutely nothing other than my personal opinion that the coin is PQ or my attempt to sway a buyers opinion that the coin is nicer than it looks.
Good to see you David! Hope you didn't get blown away or washed out to sea this weekend!
Why Own a PQ Approved Rare Coin?
Great Eye Appeal!
Only PCGS and NGC Certified Coins!
Excellent Strike!
Great Mint Luster!
No Major Copper Or Carbon Spots!
Above Average for the Grade!
No Major Mint Defects!
No Ugly Toning! A Coin You will Be Proud To Own!
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@JeffMTampa said:
Why Own a PQ Approved Rare Coin?
Great Eye Appeal!
Only PCGS and NGC Certified Coins!
Excellent Strike!
Great Mint Luster!
No Major Copper Or Carbon Spots!
Above Average for the Grade!
No Major Mint Defects!
No Ugly Toning! A Coin You will Be Proud To Own!
LEARN MORE
I see this PQ thing was created by Barry Stuppler. Don Ketterling is "chief grader". I looked at the Barber Half population report (https://www.pqapproved.com/pop-result/?Type=Barber Half Dollar 1892-1915&coinname=Half Dollars) and it was filled with all "0"'s. So it seems this PQ thing is not being used at all for Barber material and seems to be a way for a dealer look at your coin for a fee. No thanks. Enough on this subject.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
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I, personally, am not interested Jon. I agree, however, with your thinking as being correct in making the suggestion in the first place.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
This is a non-New Orleans coin. Your statement "I received this 1892-O 25C PCGS AU58" asks me to beg the question if this was the coin you intended to show? In any case, the 1892-P is a nice coin.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction. I have a similarly toned 92-O as well.
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My latest NewP received........the 1909-S Inverted "S". Got this wonderful coin from Darrell!
XF40? I'm jealous. Good find Jon!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
That is a great 40. Everything is there.
That '09 S looks nicer than a XF40 to me. Great pickup.
I submitted several Barber Quarters to PCGS in early May; they've all been graded and are on their way back to Papa. I had 8 free vouchers so I opted for the Secure tier that provides TruView photos. It's fun for me to see how my photo skills compare to the pros, and to learn from their lighting techniques.
One of the orders submitted contained a '96 O NGC AU 55 Quarter and a '97 O NGC AU 50 Quarter for crossover. I listed them as "ANY" for the grade. Both of them made the cut to PC holders. The '96 O downgraded to a PC53:
The '97 O was holdered at the same grade, an AU50:
I'm not surprised that the '96 O was net graded to a 53. It looks like a solid 55 to me, but the marks on the obverse knocked it down a grade.
I'm surprised that the '97 O didn't upgrade, however. It looks like a 53 to 55 coin to me. Any thoughts on what's holding it back?
@JeffMTampa Jeff. I appreciate how you continually bring cool discussion topics and neat coins to this Hayes' Forum.
My thoughts on the '96-O: I can see how the prominent cheek mark and chatter neck mark had our hosts think of the coin as PC53. Toning and denticle coloring is very nice on that coin.
My thoughts on the '97-O is that it should be PC55 (minimum 53 to me). I like the die crack from the last S in STATES to the rim on the reverse. The obverse does have minor scratching and a small, but minor, nose bridge hit that is just enough to maybe take it from 55 to PC53 in my view. PC50, wow? our hosts have been doing this to my coins lately as well - a full grade lower than general consensus. I mean, c'mon... it is a New Orleans coin for strike. Grade-lowering will not be on all coins but a noticable number of them. I like the near-rim coloring on the coin's obverse, pleasing. Their TV picture and lighting shows the coin to be a little more grayish in appearance than what I would typically like from imagery. I wish our hosts allowed owner pictures, with approvals of course, to be allowed to be digitally matched to the coin(s) the same way True Views are. That, to me, would be a nice new feature.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
The deep cut on the 96-o is what put it in the 53 holder. The 97-o could 53, but no higher IMHO.
Another recent score=Original 1909 Proof set....! Very Yummy...
Very yummy. Like chocolate covered raspberries.
@sedulous and I were chatting last week about collecting early Barber Quarters by MM position and Type 1/ Type 2 Rev on '92's. I noted to Tim that I was missing a '92 S Type 1 Rev and a '95 S Center MM. After that conversation I browsed eBay to see what I could find.
Common belief seems to be that all the nice raw coins have been submitted for grading- all that's left in the marketplace is damaged/ cleaned coins. I submit that's not 100% true.
I found a '92 S Type 1 Rev Quarter on eBay that was advertised as uncirculated condition. The listing photos made the coin look like it had obverse flaws, but there was a 30 day return period allowed. It was priced as a low end MS coin. I purchased it thinking it would likely need to be returned. It arrived today in the mail:
This coin looks to me like it will straight grade- potentially as a MS 62-63. The Type 1 Reverse much rarer than the Type 2, but since this variety isn't collected by many it has little additional $$ value. It has much greater value than a Type 2 to collectors like @sedulous and I.
The coin will be sent to our hosts in a few weeks. Who knows, but I think it will grade. My hope is that someday we can get PCGS to recognize the two reverse varieties. Anyone have a 2 X 4 I can borrow?
I would like it better in a 58+ holder...which I think it has a good shot at. If they treat you like they do me with Barber Halves it will come back as a 58 and you would have to send it 4 or 5 times under reconsideration for + to get the 58+!
That 92-S looks like a 58 to me.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Although I don't see any luster breaks on the coin, an AU58 grade is a distinct possibility. But because it's worth more as a 58 than a 62 I'm guessing a MS 62. I would like nothing better than a 58+, but I won't be submitting the coin numerous times to get it.
Are you Barber Quarte collectors acquiring both REV examples, or is the consensus it doesn't matter?
I never checked, I guess I have to start.
BHNC #203
I'm with Jeff. I am closing in on the MM varieties '92 through '97. As Jeff said, there are just a couple left. Going back to Jeff's comments earlier on giving Gold Shield a try to compare digital images, here is one that was recently returned as a reholder. The previous holder I received from 3rd Party auction was so scratched-up, I decided to end my frustration. This 1910-P quarter is XF45 and now in a Gold Shield holder with a newly-captured TV:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Love the early proof-set approach Eldo! The Barber material colors are stunning.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Thanks for the good words Sedulous! Yes, there is just something very special about these original Proof Sets from the Barber era....The colors are just fantastic, the flash of the original mirrors in your eye, the fact that I dreamed about these coins as a kid......They really are special, and I truly appreciate the opportunity to own and share them.
The 1909 set is interesting as it contains the Indian and Lincoln together. The Lincoln is a "Matte Proof" and has a raised, pebble- like surface under magnification. They apparently did this because they could not polish the new Lincoln dies with existing technology, so they sandblasted them instead!
It would be great to see you exhibit your sets at a Coin Show (FUN) if we ever have one of those again......
Thanks Jeff, I know....I hope we can get back to that reality again, even if everyone at the show has a freaking mask on! It would be really fun to lay them all out under proper lighting and let people check them out....Sharing is the fun part of this hobby!
PS been enjoying your posts and photos lately! Keep them coming....You've got some beauties!
That 1892 25c is lustrous!!!!! She's pretty.
It's @sedulous Birthday today.
Happy Birthday to you!
Happy Birthday!!!
Damn pretty Dime......What is the grade on that beauty. Nice color! Looks gem to me.
Thanks for the birthday wishes and present! I'll have to PM you my address to send it! 😀
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@Eldorado9
You would want us to wear masks anyways, right? I am sure you would appreciate the drool collecting instead of having to clean your coin holders!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Thanks Jeff and all my friends on this forum... especially those of you who have transacted with me for PC40 quality quarters! - Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Hey, still taking a look at my 1898-S quarters for a duplicate of Jeff's beautiful new S/S North variety attribution. This one is raw...
Unfortunately. I believe this second specimen, in addition to the first shared not too long ago, doesn't have it. I will say, however, there is machine doubling on the reverse which is common for this date and mint.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Its a 65, you are right on!
Here is the reverse.....
I know a gem Barber when I see one! I'd buy Barber's like that all day long! Fully original.
Anyone on here have an 1896 and an 1893-O half in G+/VG? I have a couple of empty holes in a side project I have put off too long!
Here is a recent newp picked up solely for the extreme mumps on this coin. At a minimum, I see three distinct buckled die mump areas. The typical neck area underneath the ear and two bumps in front of the chin! 1908-O Barber Half shown here. Any of you have other extreme mumps issues or specimens? - Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
From our correspondence, I got the '93-O covered for now (as a hole filler) although he could probably use something a little better. Also, @erwindoc can still use a '96-P half in low grade if anyone can spare one. - Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
A lot of these early 90's halves are getting tough to find decent.
A newp selected from Srotag's collection. A nice 1897-O PC45 CAC quarter. There are only 2 CAC-stickered with 33 across the whole date-mint in all grades. PCGS pop is 15 in XF45 and 305 in the total certified population across all grades. thanks Dave.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Solid looking quarter Tim!
Here is the quarter I can now part with since I just obtained a grade improvement from Jeff on a center MM 1895-O quarter... (thanks Jeff). I actually don't think this 1895-O NGC VF30 is all that bad:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Lenny and I had a brief chat on this... can anybody tell me more about these PQ stickers? I don't believe they even compare to Albanese's CAC sticker or do they? are they trying to go after the same market? how should we consider these? thanks...
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
CAC backs up their coins with sight-unseen bids for them on the CCE and CDNX dealer sites. I know of no such bids for "PQ" stickered coins. If such bids exist and the PQ designation is copyrighted and supported by a dealer or company, then maybe the PQ stickers mean something--otherwise, I could have them printed at Staples and add them to all my coins as marketing materials. And they would mean absolutely nothing other than my personal opinion that the coin is PQ or my attempt to sway a buyers opinion that the coin is nicer than it looks.
You Guys! Please don't bring the sticker crap in here!
Good to see you David! Hope you didn't get blown away or washed out to sea this weekend!
Saw the sticker on a Barber, knew nothing about it, point me in the right direction to learn more?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Why Own a PQ Approved Rare Coin?
Great Eye Appeal!
Only PCGS and NGC Certified Coins!
Excellent Strike!
Great Mint Luster!
No Major Copper Or Carbon Spots!
Above Average for the Grade!
No Major Mint Defects!
No Ugly Toning!
A Coin You will Be Proud To Own!
LEARN MORE
@barberkeys we haven't heard from you for several weeks; are you OK?
I spoke to him yesterday. He is great. Most of his spare time is spent on the golf course
I see this PQ thing was created by Barry Stuppler. Don Ketterling is "chief grader". I looked at the Barber Half population report (https://www.pqapproved.com/pop-result/?Type=Barber Half Dollar 1892-1915&coinname=Half Dollars) and it was filled with all "0"'s. So it seems this PQ thing is not being used at all for Barber material and seems to be a way for a dealer look at your coin for a fee. No thanks. Enough on this subject.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Show me your 1907-O Barbers whether dimes, quarters or half dollars! This seems to be a bit of a sleeper date. Here is my NGC F12 quarter:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.