Earlier holder / #? What is the likelyhood the coin further toned in holder? On average, I find the host's grading service will tend to give me lower grades for more darker toned coins. This has been my experience. However, Trueviews are taken during the timeframe of grading. Hmmm.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I couldn't find the Cornhusker 1897 O Half at Heritage, but I did find it at a Stacks auction site from November, 2011. It sold for $14,950 at that time in a 58 holder without the "+".
I think it looks better in the Stacks photos, but with the splotchy toning and fingerprint I question the plus grade. I also question if it's actually an AU coin?
The coin that now belongs to Cornhusker ( Brad S. ) was once in Don Willis' collection,
that he consigned to JJ Teaparty, and they had many requests for it. I, being one of them.
Look at Everyman's Retired set of Barber Halves - I'm sure you'll see this coin.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Jeff - Thanks, I really like our host's digital album feature. Until you mentioned it, I didn't know there was such a thing as a featured album. I'm sure they rotate them around on a regular basis. To answer your questions, all my quarters are now in PC holders, and I have no idea why my 09-O wasn't in my album. I just checked a few minutes ago and it was there. Probably just a short term glitch.
As far as 97-O halves go, you have two beauties and I'd take your 58 everyday over that 58+. IMO there is no basis whatsoever for why one coin makes a plus and another doesn't. To me the whole plus business is nothing but a way to generate revenue.
Pics for this AM, the 09-O in my digital album, PC64:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Verne, I like my 97-O better than that one as well as the 97-S he purchased from Legend's auction. I can absolutely say there is no rhyme or reason as to what makes PCGS award a +!
Jeff! I should've remembered it was a Stack's auction as I was at the Baltimore show when it sold!
@JeffMTampa said:
I couldn't find the Cornhusker 1897 O Half at Heritage, but I did find it at a Stacks auction site from November, 2011. It sold for $14,950 at that time in a 58 holder without the "+".
I think it looks better in the Stacks photos, but with the splotchy toning and fingerprint I question the plus grade. I also question if it's actually an AU coin?
@amwldcoin said:
PS! Am I allowed to say the 97-O and 97-S 58+'s are fugly in my opinion?
You're allowed to say anything you want about a coin; it's just an opinion. Personally I don't find the 58+ '97 O "Fugly", but I've seen other 58's I think have more eye appeal.
There is no photo of the Cornhusker '97 S AU 58+ so I have no idea what that looks like.
@amwldcoin said:
PS! Am I allowed to say the 97-O and 97-S 58+'s are fugly in my opinion?
You're allowed to say anything you want about a coin; it's just an opinion. Personally I don't find the 58+ '97 O "Fugly", but I've seen other 58's I think have more eye appeal.
There is no photo of the Cornhusker '97 S AU 58+ so I have no idea what that looks like.
I agree with Vern to each his own. But I'm not a big fan of all the "market acceptable " cleaning of coins that seems to be the norm now. Our hosts have created many benefits to our hobby since their inception. But a big negative IMO is straight grading cleaned coins. I understand they would not be looking at 30 some million graded coins without slabbing obviously cleaned material, but it does a disservice to people. In particular ones who are just entering the hobby, and can't identify problem material yet.
Also the plus grading is beyond understanding. Should be titled "whim" grading
Jim, I agree...PCGS has really started slacking on how strict they are with regards to coins(especially Barbers IMHO) in the latest generation holders.
Verne I like my 58's to have obvious blazing luster...toning is fine if the luster is prominent! No toning with the look of blazing Morgan dollars without hairlines is fine too! Wait until I start taking pic's of my 45 and under sets and you will see many choice original coins I think you would beg me for! For my 45 and under sets my target is the rich pinkish grey look! Some of the coins I have replaced multiple times looking for what I consider the perfect look!
Darrell- I share your thoughts on my preferred look for an AU to MS coin. It's a good thing there are differing opinions on "the right look". After all, there is no wrong. We all look forward to seeing photos of the rest of your sets. With all the passion you put in they must be wonderful.
BTW, my article on mintmark positional varieties got pushed to a "further-into-the-future" BCCS Journal issue. I guess I created a minor stir (unintentionally!) with a discovery that there are TWO '92-O micro-o mintmark styles and not one. I have been asked to do a little more research specifically on this aspect for a more detailed future Journal article.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Was rummaging through some stored away, everyday change and I came across this AU Barber dime I forgot I acquired long ago. Nice re-find albeit a common date for a Friday evening!
I should probably clarify I had some common dime material placed into a general dime size plain library of coins album and the '13-P was sandwiched into the last page at the end of the album. I had forgotten I placed it in there a few years ago... at least prior to 2015. I need to find my notes on the transaction. My image-taking skills don't show the luster on this coin... ughh.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Stash...Hoard....I prefer Collection.
Paesan has a great eye - and after
I remembered his collecting "operendi"
he's in no competition with anyone. He
enjoys the art of the coin - and all of his
coins are stunning.
I have decided to sell off most of my remaining
Halves - and have given a friend, SROTAG, first dibs
but he is only interested in a few of my Halves, as
he purchased $10K worth in January for his kid's
set. I still have to get a list together. I'll post what is
available on the BST before I even think about consigning
to Heritage for the ANA auction. The deadline for ANA is
June 16th ( as I remember ).
I have a few spare Nickels, Dimes and Quarters... Plus some
nice Seated Material. Stay tuned. ( An unabashed plug )
Nice 1909 Quarter, Milo. Love the look of it.
Jeff: the 1892 TDR in 55 is the right look, for sure....nicely toned !!
Lenny: Crazy about the 08-O Quarter - love the toning !!
Tim: Nice find after a few years in the back of a Dansco.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
@No Headlights said:
Look forward to seeing your halves Mike
Jim
Thanks, Jim. My images are on my Registry Sets.
The no headlights version of what remains is the 1901-S
( which I am on the fence about selling. ) I bought it from
Manorcourtman and it's about as nice a 53 as you'll ever find.
As this isn't the place to do "BST" transactions, I'll start a thread
over there once I have made up my mind which coins are going
and which are staying ( at least for the time being ).
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
In honor of our veterans and those that paid the ultimate sacrifice, I would like to present my "wounded" Barber coins today... those with an inordinate number of marks (or "wounds"). A quarter date that I have found to have a higher than average (Jeff Ambio's term...) of "wispy marks", surface abrasions or bagmark "hits" is the '09-S quarter.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Part of a roll I picked up 10+ years ago. The photos are awful as it has some lustre in recessed areas and a nice gun metal look. The cheek has an abrasion and the neck... i like it.
Guys, Thanks for all the nice comments on the 08-O quarter. I'm not sure it will stay in the stash. I have one that I really like and I haven't put them side by side yet. I paid a little too much for it, but I have a hunch it might plus if the color gods are on my side that particular day.
Has anyone ever heard the story of the lost wagon that was carrying 07-D coins from Denver to points West? Rumor is it went over a cliff and was never found?
A History Of Mystery AHistoryOfMystery.com Unexplained Treasure Lost Dimes Denver MintThe story of the lost dimes started in 1907, when a wagon train, carrying six barrels of dimes, left the Denver mint in Denver Colorado and headed for Phoenix, AZ. Unfortunately, the wagons never made it to their destination.
The wagons were carrying six barrels, which contained a total of 5,000 coins. They were known as the “Barber dimes”, after their designer Charles Barber. The wagons, drivers and everyone else disappeared somewhere between Denver, CO and Montrose, CO. Over a century later, and the coins have still not be found. There are two credible theories as to what happened to the lost dimes, but neither have been proven, and after 100 years of the unexplained story, there’s little hope the truth will be found, unless of course someone was to make a discovery.
The first theory on what happened to the lost dimes is that the wagon carrying said coins was attacked by bandits. The wagon’s route from the Denver mint to Phoenix, AZ included many dirt tracks, mountain roads, and uninhabited areas in which the bandits would have been able to relive the Denver mint employees of their delivery. If this theory was true, it’s possible the case of the lost dimes will never be solved.
A History Of Mystery AHistoryOfMystery.com Unexplained Treasure Lost Dimes Denver MintThe second theory was that the wagon plummeted off a mountain road in Colorado, the north rim of Black Canyon to be precise. The north rim is accessible by gravel roads from Crawford State Park. The North Rim Road provides access to six overlooks in total. The North Rim’s canyon walls are almost vertical and offer some of the most impressive views found in the national park.
Over the years, investigations have been conducted, but they just lead to more questions.
Treasure hunters and enthusiasts took to the trails, one managed to locate remains of four wagons used to transport the dimes, which was at the base of a canyon. This gives the second theory on the lost dimes far more likeliness of being true. Whats more, the treasure seekers found several gallons of dimes along the Gunnison River, which is close to the north rim of Black Canyon. However, the “find” was only a tiny portion of what was lost all those years ago. It is said that a single one of the lost dimes in excellent condition is worth in excess of $600. Multiply that by 5,000, and you have a pretty good pay day. There are potentially millions of dollars of lost coins scattered somewhere around the Black Canyon area. The lost dimes are still out there for anyone daring enough to hit the trails and search for them.
Comments
Earlier holder / #? What is the likelyhood the coin further toned in holder? On average, I find the host's grading service will tend to give me lower grades for more darker toned coins. This has been my experience. However, Trueviews are taken during the timeframe of grading. Hmmm.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I couldn't find the Cornhusker 1897 O Half at Heritage, but I did find it at a Stacks auction site from November, 2011. It sold for $14,950 at that time in a 58 holder without the "+".
I think it looks better in the Stacks photos, but with the splotchy toning and fingerprint I question the plus grade. I also question if it's actually an AU coin?
The coin that now belongs to Cornhusker ( Brad S. ) was once in Don Willis' collection,
that he consigned to JJ Teaparty, and they had many requests for it. I, being one of them.
Look at Everyman's Retired set of Barber Halves - I'm sure you'll see this coin.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Jeff - Thanks, I really like our host's digital album feature. Until you mentioned it, I didn't know there was such a thing as a featured album. I'm sure they rotate them around on a regular basis. To answer your questions, all my quarters are now in PC holders, and I have no idea why my 09-O wasn't in my album. I just checked a few minutes ago and it was there. Probably just a short term glitch.
As far as 97-O halves go, you have two beauties and I'd take your 58 everyday over that 58+. IMO there is no basis whatsoever for why one coin makes a plus and another doesn't. To me the whole plus business is nothing but a way to generate revenue.
Pics for this AM, the 09-O in my digital album, PC64:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Verne, I like my 97-O better than that one as well as the 97-S he purchased from Legend's auction. I can absolutely say there is no rhyme or reason as to what makes PCGS award a +!
Jeff! I should've remembered it was a Stack's auction as I was at the Baltimore show when it sold!
PS! Am I allowed to say the 97-O and 97-S 58+'s are fugly in my opinion?
Darrell - You know some people don't like dipped white silver, even if it has lots of luster. To each their own.
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
You're allowed to say anything you want about a coin; it's just an opinion. Personally I don't find the 58+ '97 O "Fugly", but I've seen other 58's I think have more eye appeal.
There is no photo of the Cornhusker '97 S AU 58+ so I have no idea what that looks like.
I wonder if Brad ever reads this thread?
It looks similar to the 97-O. If legend keeps an auction archive you can find it there.
I agree with Vern to each his own. But I'm not a big fan of all the "market acceptable " cleaning of coins that seems to be the norm now. Our hosts have created many benefits to our hobby since their inception. But a big negative IMO is straight grading cleaned coins. I understand they would not be looking at 30 some million graded coins without slabbing obviously cleaned material, but it does a disservice to people. In particular ones who are just entering the hobby, and can't identify problem material yet.
Also the plus grading is beyond understanding. Should be titled "whim" grading
Jim, I agree...PCGS has really started slacking on how strict they are with regards to coins(especially Barbers IMHO) in the latest generation holders.
Verne I like my 58's to have obvious blazing luster...toning is fine if the luster is prominent! No toning with the look of blazing Morgan dollars without hairlines is fine too! Wait until I start taking pic's of my 45 and under sets and you will see many choice original coins I think you would beg me for! For my 45 and under sets my target is the rich pinkish grey look! Some of the coins I have replaced multiple times looking for what I consider the perfect look!
I am with Jeff, if anyone can find that '97-S half, it would be great to have a look!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Darrell- I share your thoughts on my preferred look for an AU to MS coin. It's a good thing there are differing opinions on "the right look". After all, there is no wrong. We all look forward to seeing photos of the rest of your sets. With all the passion you put in they must be wonderful.
I found the Cornhusker 1897 S AU 58+. He bought it in the current holder at a Legend Rare Coin Auction on September 29, 2016 for $7,931:
I think it's a good looking coin, but I'm quite surprised to see it's a 58+ and has a CAC sticker.
Opinions are allowed.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Jim - "Whim" grading. I love it.
Darrell - I look forward to seeing pics of your 45 and unders.
Jeff - Thanks for finding the pics of the 97-S.
Pics for this PM, newp into Paesan's Stash, PC58:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I still think Lenny has cornered the market on all of the nicest coins. I'm having to settle for one offs.......
I believe I posted this before, but it's been a while. Here's a 1892 TDR Barber Half in a PC 55 holder:
It has a bit of color for those that prefer the look.
The Lenny "stash" may need to be renamed to the Lenny hoard!!! Keep them coming Lenny
Surface quality and color is consistently amazing. I agree. Way to go Lenny!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
BTW, my article on mintmark positional varieties got pushed to a "further-into-the-future" BCCS Journal issue. I guess I created a minor stir (unintentionally!) with a discovery that there are TWO '92-O micro-o mintmark styles and not one. I have been asked to do a little more research specifically on this aspect for a more detailed future Journal article.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Tim - Congratulations on the MM discovery.
Pics for this PM, newp into Milo's collection, PC58:
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Was rummaging through some stored away, everyday change and I came across this AU Barber dime I forgot I acquired long ago. Nice re-find albeit a common date for a Friday evening!
I should probably clarify I had some common dime material placed into a general dime size plain library of coins album and the '13-P was sandwiched into the last page at the end of the album. I had forgotten I placed it in there a few years ago... at least prior to 2015. I need to find my notes on the transaction. My image-taking skills don't show the luster on this coin... ughh.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Stash...Hoard....I prefer Collection.
Paesan has a great eye - and after
I remembered his collecting "operendi"
he's in no competition with anyone. He
enjoys the art of the coin - and all of his
coins are stunning.
I have decided to sell off most of my remaining
Halves - and have given a friend, SROTAG, first dibs
but he is only interested in a few of my Halves, as
he purchased $10K worth in January for his kid's
set. I still have to get a list together. I'll post what is
available on the BST before I even think about consigning
to Heritage for the ANA auction. The deadline for ANA is
June 16th ( as I remember ).
I have a few spare Nickels, Dimes and Quarters... Plus some
)
nice Seated Material. Stay tuned. ( An unabashed plug
Nice 1909 Quarter, Milo. Love the look of it.
Jeff: the 1892 TDR in 55 is the right look, for sure....nicely toned !!
Lenny: Crazy about the 08-O Quarter - love the toning !!
Tim: Nice find after a few years in the back of a Dansco.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Look forward to seeing your halves Mike
Jim
Patience - and I will try and work up some numbers ....
I am not selling all of the Halves - just a few.
Most images are attached to the Everyman Sets - or at least
the Regular Registry for Barber Halves.
The 1905-O Half - PCGS 45 - CAC is available - and I am not going
to sell it at auction.... It's a pop 1 coin in that grade. ( w/ a CAC ).
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Tim - Nice to find an unexpected goodie.
Mike - I look forward to what you may part with. Your 05-O in 45 is a beauty, and if I didn't already have one I really like, I'd be interested.
Pics for this AM, last hole filled in Jim's No Headlight collection (I don't think it's been posted here before), PC53:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Cant shake the old buying habit... my newp for the Proof Dime Collection...
Its only a PR 63 - but has the look of a 65+ { IMHO }
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Mike, I'm with you, how can that dime not be 65? the barely visible neck hairline? wow. Good pick.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Thanks, Jim. My images are on my Registry Sets.
The no headlights version of what remains is the 1901-S
( which I am on the fence about selling. ) I bought it from
Manorcourtman and it's about as nice a 53 as you'll ever find.
As this isn't the place to do "BST" transactions, I'll start a thread
over there once I have made up my mind which coins are going
and which are staying ( at least for the time being ).
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
In honor of our veterans and those that paid the ultimate sacrifice, I would like to present my "wounded" Barber coins today... those with an inordinate number of marks (or "wounds"). A quarter date that I have found to have a higher than average (Jeff Ambio's term...) of "wispy marks", surface abrasions or bagmark "hits" is the '09-S quarter.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Oh, and today is my birthday! Happy Memorial Day.
Here is a '13-S half that is worn from battle and has a nasty strike on the date here:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Part of a roll I picked up 10+ years ago. The photos are awful as it has some lustre in recessed areas and a nice gun metal look. The cheek has an abrasion and the neck... i like it.
Relaxn... nice '01-S. Thanks for sharin'
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Happy Birthday, Tim!! Thanks for posting the wounded quarters on Memorial Day.
Guys, Thanks for all the nice comments on the 08-O quarter. I'm not sure it will stay in the stash. I have one that I really like and I haven't put them side by side yet. I paid a little too much for it, but I have a hunch it might plus if the color gods are on my side that particular day.
Paesan
Happy Birthday, Tim !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Mike - Good looking proof dime.
Relaxn - Found in a roll? Amazing. Great find.
Tim - Happy belated birthday.
Pics for this AM, newp into Paesan's Stash, NGC63:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Pics for this PM, a blast from the past from BarberFanatic:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Vern, those '01-S halves are exquisite! Nice color for the grade.
Here is a hole-filler recent dime pick-up...
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
If you will look closely you will see they are the same coin photographed under different lighting.
Right-O. "double vision always gets the best of me" - Song and group?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Another pick-up... an '02-O dime filler.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Nice fillers!
Well... a few of my Halves have found new homes...save this one....
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Even another pick-up. A 1907-D dime:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
And another... plane jane '07-P and very easy $-wise to acquire at this grade level...
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Has anyone ever heard the story of the lost wagon that was carrying 07-D coins from Denver to points West? Rumor is it went over a cliff and was never found?
Rumor is they were found and sent in to PCGS for grading. PCGS wouldn't grade them- too many crazy bag marks. They're now in NGC holders.
OK, a weak attempt at humor........
Here's the story:
The lost dimes of the Denver mint.
A History Of Mystery AHistoryOfMystery.com Unexplained Treasure Lost Dimes Denver MintThe story of the lost dimes started in 1907, when a wagon train, carrying six barrels of dimes, left the Denver mint in Denver Colorado and headed for Phoenix, AZ. Unfortunately, the wagons never made it to their destination.
The wagons were carrying six barrels, which contained a total of 5,000 coins. They were known as the “Barber dimes”, after their designer Charles Barber. The wagons, drivers and everyone else disappeared somewhere between Denver, CO and Montrose, CO. Over a century later, and the coins have still not be found. There are two credible theories as to what happened to the lost dimes, but neither have been proven, and after 100 years of the unexplained story, there’s little hope the truth will be found, unless of course someone was to make a discovery.
The first theory on what happened to the lost dimes is that the wagon carrying said coins was attacked by bandits. The wagon’s route from the Denver mint to Phoenix, AZ included many dirt tracks, mountain roads, and uninhabited areas in which the bandits would have been able to relive the Denver mint employees of their delivery. If this theory was true, it’s possible the case of the lost dimes will never be solved.
A History Of Mystery AHistoryOfMystery.com Unexplained Treasure Lost Dimes Denver MintThe second theory was that the wagon plummeted off a mountain road in Colorado, the north rim of Black Canyon to be precise. The north rim is accessible by gravel roads from Crawford State Park. The North Rim Road provides access to six overlooks in total. The North Rim’s canyon walls are almost vertical and offer some of the most impressive views found in the national park.
Over the years, investigations have been conducted, but they just lead to more questions.
Treasure hunters and enthusiasts took to the trails, one managed to locate remains of four wagons used to transport the dimes, which was at the base of a canyon. This gives the second theory on the lost dimes far more likeliness of being true. Whats more, the treasure seekers found several gallons of dimes along the Gunnison River, which is close to the north rim of Black Canyon. However, the “find” was only a tiny portion of what was lost all those years ago. It is said that a single one of the lost dimes in excellent condition is worth in excess of $600. Multiply that by 5,000, and you have a pretty good pay day. There are potentially millions of dollars of lost coins scattered somewhere around the Black Canyon area. The lost dimes are still out there for anyone daring enough to hit the trails and search for them.
Who's up for a road trip???