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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Double post
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Like any perceived slur, I think it depends on the context. >>



    The context here is pretty straight forward. Our resident 5 time perma-bammed troll, who never hesitates to play the race card and call fellow board members racists, said Richard Sherman a thug and hoped Peyton "annihilates" him. After being informed a "thug" is a racist code word, he continued to gleefully calling Sherman one and then posted this:

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    The context in this case is crystal clear.

    This is what happens when keyboard pawns voice their opinion without marching orders. Their true colors come out for all to see.
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  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    I have never used thug to identify with race. Now that I am aware it has such racial overtones I won't be using it any longer.

    Richard Sherman is a punk. Plain and simple.
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have never used thug to identify with race. Now that I am aware it has such racial overtones I won't be using it any longer.

    Richard Sherman is a punk. Plain and simple. >>



    I will. I am sick and tired of terms being redefined as we go.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    really, kids. come on now. isn't it enough that we just call him a football player? does it require any more explanation than this? image
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>really, kids. come on now. isn't it enough that we just call him a football player? does it require any more explanation than this? image >>



    That would be an insult to all the thugs out there lol
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  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭✭
    You can call him a zoobamagoo if you'd like. Doesn't make it true.
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  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Does this thread exist simply for someone to ascertain how stupid this world is. >>



    No, this is to ascertain how stupid the world can be sometimes.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have never used thug to identify with race. Now that I am aware it has such racial overtones I won't be using it any longer.

    Richard Sherman is a punk. Plain and simple. >>



    It was actually refreshing to hear someone speak their mind without all the usual boring PC diatribe. It was interesting. Richard Sherman is a well educated articulate young man who happens to uber talented and highly competitive who got caught in the moment. The fact that you are on the other side of this debate makes me sure I'm on the right track.

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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    You just made the game-saving play against someone who was talking smack about you, and that play helped send your team to the Super Bowl, then someone sticks a microphone in your face a few minutes later. Would you be able to compose yourself and say something articulate and profound? I probably would have said the same thing Sherman said, along with several F-bombs. It's easy to judge from behind a keyboard.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND!!!!!!
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    A picture is worth a thousand words and no amount of back peddling will ever change that.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>For those that think Sherman didn't say "Good game" before Mr Crabtree shoved his face mask, sigh....you are indeed correct.

    Sherman said "helluva game!" and stuck out his hand for a shake. Still a thug according to many DBOTW candidates in this thread though. >>



    And now we have the video (starting at the 0:48 mark) -> Link
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  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND!!!!!! >>



    I'M GOING TO HOLIDAY WORLD!!!!!! image (I would be so saying that if I ever got to win a WS or SB or whatnot...)
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  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I have never used thug to identify with race. Now that I am aware it has such racial overtones I won't be using it any longer.

    Richard Sherman is a punk. Plain and simple. >>



    It was actually refreshing to hear someone speak their mind without all the usual boring PC diatribe. It was interesting. Richard Sherman is a well educated articulate young man who happens to uber talented and highly competitive who got caught in the moment. The fact that you are on the other side of this debate makes me sure I'm on the right track.

    MJ >>



    I agree. I think Sherman made some new fans. I like hearing him give his view on things...I'm impressed with him. Great player too!
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>A picture is worth a thousand words and no amount of back peddling will ever change that. >>



    If you don't think that there are literally thousands and thousands and people who are rooting for Denver because of his outburst then you're a fool.
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A picture is worth a thousand words and no amount of back peddling will ever change that. >>



    If you don't think that there are literally thousands and thousands and people who are rooting for Denver because of his outburst then you're a fool. >>



    Millions and millions is a better guess.


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    If you don't think that there are literally thousands and thousands and people who are rooting for Denver because of his outburst then you're a fool. >>



    The number who are now rooting for Seattle because of this is far greater. Sports fans care far more about emotion and honesty than they ever will about class and diplomacy
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The number who are now rooting for Seattle because of this is far greater. >>



    I disagree with this.
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  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>

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    If you don't think that there are literally thousands and thousands and people who are rooting for Denver because of his outburst then you're a fool. >>



    The number who are now rooting for Seattle because of this is far greater. Sports fans care far more about emotion and honesty than they ever will about class and diplomacy >>



    So you think only sports fans are watching? You think only sports fans saw his outburst? You can't possibly be that naive can you?
  • lanemyer85lanemyer85 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe I read earlier that Tupac was responsible for turning this into a racial term. In reality Tupac glamorized "Thug Life".


    He was so proud of it he had it tattooed on his stomach.



    Tupac Shakur



    You may also recall he used the term in his lyrics and was the first person I recall using the term in the mainstream. Tupac was proud of his gangster lifestyle and encouraged this type of behavior. For this one could argue it became synonyms with unruly black males.


    So if unruly black males are thugs, and a white guy with a big truck and a hat on is a redneck it seems to me to be more of a racial stereotype. It probably does have a racial connotation but I think it is a stretch to make it so racial as the N word. >>




    right and let's not forget these guys. Another prominent/popular group from the era who were such a force to be reckoned with, it was apart of their group's title. I'm not sure if Tupac was the first or THE guy who popularized it. I'm guessing there was some unheralded rapper in the 70's or 80's that used 'thug' prominently at some point. But I do vividly remember that 90's cheese fest video and thinking, oh man, he has "thug" tattooed across his stomach. That won't put a target on his back or anything. Then he played that "Birdie" character in Above The Rim and pretty much cemented that image to a lot of kids back then, fairly or unfairly. If you spent time in an American high school in the 90's, in a non-rural area, I'm sure you knew some folks struggling with an identity who rocked a FUBU black hoodie, a Colorado Rockies hat (the CR stood for crack rock, if you recall) and wore saggy pants and thus referred to themselves as thugs/gangstas/players who weren't in the zip code of any of those things.

    So I just think if you're under 40 years old, you're more likely to use 'thug' as a descriptive term simply because if is/was a part of pop culture vernacular. Not that there isn't some racism or racial undertones to some of it. I spent my Jr & high school years in the 90's, but I can't ever remember hanging 'thug' on anyone, athlete, whomever. But I've probably said a certain person/athlete 'thugged it up' at some point to describe a singular act. Todd Bertuzzi's on ice assault of Steve Moore some years ago, perhaps. Something that would need to more way more egregious than what Richie Sherman did which to me isn't any different than Reggie Miller giving the Knicks faithful the choke sign back in the 90s....minus the pro wrestling style postgame interview, I guess.
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    And before anyone mentions it (again), if you think people buying Sherman jerseys are doing so for support for him and not doing it as a 'look at me!' statement, well, I don't know how you can be so naive.

    People buying and wearing Sherman jerseys outside of Seattle aren't showing what a fan of him they are - they're desperately seeking the attention that the whispers and points and stares bring them.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The number who are now rooting for Seattle because of this is far greater. >>



    I disagree with this. >>



    I'm one of those who are now rooting for Seattle and is a new fan of Richard Sherman. image

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>And now we have the video (starting at the 0:48 mark) -> Link >>



    Yup. Butt slap and "Helluva game".

    Crabtree's response looks like that of a poor-sport. It also looks like the typical response you'd expect from a guy who just had his season ended 4 seconds earlier by that man. Factor in the negative history that Sherman himself said they had. It'd be naive to automatically assume that Sherman's gesture was friendly.

    I'll give Sherman a pass on the post-game sideline rant though. However, he should have kept it there, instead of taking it with him to the post-game press conference and to SI the next day.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    It makes no difference to me if SEA wins or not but one thing is for sure. Richard Sherman gained a ton of diverse fans while DEN mostly gained a certain type of person.

    I'll proudly say I'm in the former.

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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Josh Brent will not be in the Super Bowl.

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yup. Butt slap and "Helluva game".

    Crabtree's response looks like that of a poor-sport. It also looks like the typical response you'd expect from a guy who just had his season ended 4 seconds earlier by that man. Factor in the negative history that Sherman himself said they had. It'd be naive to automatically assume that Sherman's gesture was friendly.

    I'll give Sherman a pass on the post-game sideline rant though. However, he should have kept it there, instead of taking it with him to the post-game press conference and to SI the next day. >>



    +1

    I don't mind his (crazy) sideline rant. I get it. But he probably shouldn't have been dancing around the field giving the choking symbol to the 49ers bench or tweeting crap the next day, but I guess it's a part of the game nowadays.

    Sherman is full of himself and is not someone I would personally root for.

    If a man came up to me and put his hands around his neck in a choking motion towards me after a game I probably wouldn't say, "wow! what passion that man has! He is someone I can stand behind." I would consider him a thug. I'm not being racist, it's just something a thug would do. No one can defend that.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>My humble opinion is that if Richard Sherman was White 1985fan would not have used the word "Thug" and I dont give a rats a$$ what he says in his defense. >>



    I'm not 1985's defender, but he contributed positively to my SF Giants thread, so.....

    I should point out that the last two times he used the word "thug" on these boards was in reference to Richie Incognito and Clay Matthews, both white.
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  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>My humble opinion is that if Richard Sherman was White 1985fan would not have used the word "Thug" and I dont give a rats a$$ what he says in his defense. >>



    I'm not 1985's defender, but he contributed positively to my SF Giants thread, so.....

    I should point out that the last two times he used the word "thug" on these boards was in reference to Richie Incognito and Clay Matthews, both white. >>



    Thanks, but my attackers can't be concerned with things like the truth.

    I've never used the term thug with racial implications. Some people are either so hung up on race or hating me they won't accept that.

  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I've never used the term thug with racial implications. Some people are either so hung up on race or hating me they won't accept that. >>




    I agree. Forums and the nation at large have become tongue tied over an arbitrary PC bar. The bar seems to be raised and lowered at will depending on which group is speaking.
  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's what I don't understand. If you don't like the guy, fine. In fact, you have every right in the world to despise him if you so choose. But labeling him a thug? What exactly did I miss here? Is my definition vastly disparate? When I hear that word, I immediately think violent criminal. When I go back and watch that post-game interview, "thug" is the furthest thing from my mind. For crying out loud, the guy didn't even utter a single expletive. Where would we be today if he had? Death row?

    I swear, so many individuals in today's society have a stick jammed so far up inside them that they can't even walk. It's getting completely out of hand, people.

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  • << <i>. Some people are so hung up on hating me. >>






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  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>
    I swear, so many individuals in today's society have a stick jammed so far up inside them that they can't even walk. It's getting completely out of hand, people. >>



    What's getting out of hand are people suggesting that his actions, words, and mannerisms were that of someone simply 'caught up in the moment'.

    What's getting out of hand is the 'look at me! I'm more important than the team!' mentality that some athletes seem to embrace.

    What's getting out of hand are people excusing some athletes for this self-celebration, while condemning others. Try to have some consistency, people.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow it didn't take long. A new Beats headphones commercial with Sherman putting them on when the word thug is said. Great marketing on their part.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    hmmm. this thread is well past the 200 mark.....just for fun let's multiply that by the number 10,000.

    betcha Rich (Getting Richer) is counting those extra endorsement dollars as they pour in thanks to his attention grab.

    and he probably won't pay for a single meal during the offseason.
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    If they trade him to the Redskins, we could get this thread to 500.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The number who are now rooting for Seattle because of this is far greater. >>



    I disagree with this. >>



    I'm one of those who are now rooting for Seattle and is a new fan of Richard Sherman. image >>



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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow it didn't take long. A new Beats headphones commercial with Sherman putting them on when the word thug is said. Great marketing on their part. >>



    That commercial was actually aired before Sunday's game..


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  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Wow it didn't take long. A new Beats headphones commercial with Sherman putting them on when the word thug is said. Great marketing on their part. >>

    That commercial was actually aired before Sunday's game.. >>

    Good call, Tim. I've been involved in a great many animated conversations about Sherman on Facebook. Almost nobody seems to know that his Beats commercial was playing before the post-game rant, which means almost nobody that calls him a thug, or says he should be fined, or all the other crap (largely racially motivated) knows diddly squat about him or even the game of football. Not saying that's the case in this thread - I'm sure it's not. But, that seems to be what's going on in most social media.
  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It felt like I was revisiting my first post to this thread when I stumbled across this. But it gets much, much better. Do yourself a favor and click on her Twitter pic when you're finished reading.

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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Wow it didn't take long. A new Beats headphones commercial with Sherman putting them on when the word thug is said. Great marketing on their part. >>



    That commercial was actually aired before Sunday's game.. >>




    Thanks for clarifying.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Some despise an individual's success story coming out of Compton and the fact he's faced more adversity in one day than they ever will in a lifetime. They have their reasons, albeit misguided for whatever drives their hate, and that's okay. It's a free country and they can continue to call him a thug, a punk, a jerk, a self-serving ahole, whatever.

    I find it sad but to each his own.
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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sherman Salary


    The most recent salary information is from 2012 and it shows he makes $465,000. This guy is going to get a big pay raise at some point.

  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    It was an honor to watch Barry Sanders play in Detroit. Perhaps the greatest football player in the history of the game, his talent was matched by his class, humility and charity.

    I do not recognize many of the players today. Would be nice if the coaches took some time to groom these young men into quality adults.
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It was an honor to watch Barry Sanders play in Detroit. Perhaps the greatest football player in the history of the game, his talent was matched by his class, humility and charity.

    I do not recognize many of the players today. Would be nice if the coaches took some time to groom these young men into quality adults. >>



    +1
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  • << <i>So you think only sports fans are watching? You think only sports fans saw his outburst? You can't possibly be that naive can you? >>



    Last years Super Bowl had an average US TV audience of over 108 million. If that is the same amount again this year, more then 107 million won't care enough about this one interview to let it decide which team they care to align themselves with. The few exceptions will be people like you who have constant menstrual cycle issues and also have some sort of pathological need to whine and argue about every single thing they ever experience in this world
  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭


    << <i>Some despise an individual's success story coming out of Compton and the fact he's faced more adversity in one day than they ever will in a lifetime. They have their reasons, albeit misguided for whatever drives their hate, and that's okay. It's a free country and they can continue to call him a thug, a punk, a jerk, a self-serving ahole, whatever.

    I find it sad but to each his own. >>



    Yet you have no problem calling athletes douchebags or whatever else?

    Pot, kettle on line 1.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Josh Brent will not be in the Super Bowl.

    Convicted in DUI death.

    Unless they play the next one in Sing Sing. >>



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  • 1985fan1985fan Posts: 1,952 ✭✭
    Brent only going to serve 180 days for killing a man. I guess fame and wealth does buy you freedom.
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