<< <i>how long do you think a coin has to be in a coin board or album to start toning that way? >>
It depends on several factors: the "cleanliness" of the coin, the amount of light and heat it's exposed to, the level of humidity, and (as crazy as it sounds) the level of airborne salts. Remember we're talking about a chemical reaction between silver and the sulfur in the cardboard, so higher levels of all of the above will speed the process along.
My current coin collecting interests are: (1) British coins 1838-1970 in XF-AU-UNC, (2) silver type coins in XF-AU with that classic medium gray coloration and exceptional eye appeal.
<< <i>how long do you think a coin has to be in a coin board or album to start toning that way? >>
It depends on several factors: the "cleanliness" of the coin, the amount of light and heat it's exposed to, the level of humidity, and (as crazy as it sounds) the level of airborne salts. Remember we're talking about a chemical reaction between silver and the sulfur in the cardboard, so higher levels of all of the above will speed the process along. >>
Excellent points Cary. Most of us know the toning development of my raw Barber Dimes in a Dansco album; 16 years in a bank vault where the air conditioning was turned off every night and all weekend and in SW Florida, where the humidity levels are through the roof from late May to mid November and being less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico. All of these factors turned the coins into beautifully toned coins. This set was eventually sent to PCGS and is now the foundation for the Beancounter collection.
My current sets of Barbers are now being subjected to the same environment, so, in ten years or so, be prepared for the final sale of Elbesaar's Barbers.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
<< <i>how long do you think a coin has to be in a coin board or album to start toning that way? >>
It depends on several factors: the "cleanliness" of the coin, the amount of light and heat it's exposed to, the level of humidity, and (as crazy as it sounds) the level of airborne salts. Remember we're talking about a chemical reaction between silver and the sulfur in the cardboard, so higher levels of all of the above will speed the process along. >>
Excellent points Cary. Most of us know the toning development of my raw Barber Dimes in a Dansco album; 16 years in a bank vault where the air conditioning was turned off every night and all weekend and in SW Florida, where the humidity levels are through the roof from late May to mid November and being less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico. All of these factors turned the coins into beautifully toned coins. This set was eventually sent to PCGS and is now the foundation for the Beancounter collection.
My current sets of Barbers are now being subjected to the same environment, so, in ten years or so, be prepared for the final sale of Elbesaar's Barbers. >>
Darrell... You know I always take your messages with a grain of salt, but there are some here who do not know our relationship who might think I was a coin doctor.
By the way, Mr. Kreis, I think you should grow another beard. I liked your old FUN badge. Don't listen to the wife. It looked great on you !
Thx, JT. BTW, I am following one of your auctions, and good luck with them. My eyes are on a particularly under graded coin you're selling. Before all of our mutual friends start clamoring as to which coin I am speaking of and start pestering you by PM as to what coin I am referring to, have no fear, I will snipe the death out of this coin. It's a duplicate of what I already have in the set but, a nice coin with great eye appeal is worth having in duplicate.
Sorry, Darrell, my Halves are as done as I think they will ever get. I have 4 dates I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up. One of these days, I'll need to take a road trip to North Georgia and look at your multiple collections.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
<< <i>Darrell... You know I always take your messages with a grain of salt, but there are some here who do not know our relationship who might think I was a coin doctor.
By the way, Mr. Kreis, I think you should grow another beard. I liked your old FUN badge. Don't listen to the wife. It looked great on you ! >>
Yeah there do seem to be some on the forum that can't understand a little fun!
LOLOLOL on the beard! You do realize how old that picture is. While my hair...what little I still have requires no attention...if I grew a beard again I would have to dye every few weeks as it would be mostly white.
<< <i>Sorry, Darrell, my Halves are as done as I think they will ever get. I have 4 dates I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up. One of these days, I'll need to take a road trip to North Georgia and look at your multiple collections. >>
Either I am having a brain fart or I don't know what inspired this comment! You are welcome to look at my collections but nothing is forsale! It would have to be during banking ours as they are entombed in a SDB!
Savoy! I forgot to say that is a very kewl Barber Half....if the provinence could be documented it would breach several collector barriers...alias coin collectors fighting Old West Collectors fighting Gun collectors...you catch my drift!
Vern...I think you are giving me credit for Cary's comment on how long it would take the coins to tone.
Fabulous looking coin ! barber boys for the last couple of years I have been assisting in building high level circ sets of BQ's+ BH's. The dupes on coins I have helped him replace are on great collections. some tuff dates might be worth a quick look - yes all the coins are 58's. Stay tuned for the half's some nice pieces will rollout in the next couple of months.
These pics directly above, to my eyes, nicely represents my one and only complaint about Heritage. I think HA is great and I have purchased more than a dozen or so coins from them, but I certainly have learned to train myself to recalibrate what I am looking at when it comes to "steel gray" or lightly colored Barber quarters. FWIW I love the look of the coin based on the first set of pics. The HA pics….not so much. Ive never seen the coin in hand, but Id strongly suspect that the coin looks more like the first set.
I myself am far from a "real" coin photographer (although getting better is on my list of things to start putting time into in 2014) so Im not saying "I could do better" or even offering a specific critique of anything particular that they should do from a technical standpoint. Id just think that with HA's place in the market and bottom line margin in their rare coin sector, they'd produce the best pics in the business, but IMHO that is far from the case when it comes to Barber quarters, which is what I am looking at about 90% of the time Im on their site.
That said, if I owned that coin and wanted to sell it, and I didn't know other collectors of the series (i.e. I was an heir or a very lucky storage lot bidder or something), HA would absolutely be where I'd go to sell it, so Im not sure what my real takeaway is supposed to be here.
Anyways, just a random tangent on a lazy and freezing cold night here in VA. I know the topic of HA pics arises from time to time….I just thought Mike's pics presented a case in point.
That 97-O looks great and I know it's a heck of a tough date. Mike's post inspired me to check it out on coin facts and those are some very low pop numbers in XF/AU. Very cool.
(Edited for grammar)
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
Mike, those aren't the same coins. There are certain marks on the first coin that aren't on the second coin. Not sure if you thought they were or not. That first coin has some hits, but looks far superior IMO.
JKT, I have to agree about heritage pics, but the those set of pics are of different coins.
After buying quite a few coins from their photos, I can say the mostly do a disservice to their consignors at times. And at other times, they make the coin look better. But when your buying coins like an XF/AU 97-O, it's a lot better to have a fellow collector or dealer on the ground to check it out for you. I would hate to be on the later end of the above situation.
Most of the coins I bought from their photographs have been nice, especially the 14-P I bought last year. But some have been less than expected.
Justin, you may be right, but I looked very closely at the two sets before I posted and after looking at the coinfacts photos more closely I definitely think they are the same. The obverse rub on the high points all appear to be in the exact same areas, and the hits directly under Liberty's eye seem to be the same as well. It really doesn't matter at all, but I am genuinely curious as to what your (or anyone else who agrees or knows that they are different) indicators are that they are different (besides the ridiculous differences in color)?
Now cue Mike posting that they are indeed different coins
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
<< <i>Justin, you may be right, but I looked very closely at the two sets before I posted and after looking at the coinfacts photos more closely I definitely think they are the same. The obverse rub on the high points all appear to be in the exact same areas, and the hits directly under Liberty's eye seem to be the same as well. It really doesn't matter at all, but I am genuinely curious as to what your (or anyone else who agrees or knows that they are different) indicators are that they are different (besides the ridiculous differences in color)?
Now cue Mike posting that they are indeed different coins >>
Look at the two hits at the wreath ribbon on the obverse on the first coin and try to find them on the second coin. I couldn't find them.
<< <i>Mike, those aren't the same coins. There are certain marks on the first coin that aren't on the second coin. Not sure if you thought they were or not. That first coin has some hits, but looks far superior IMO.
JKT, I have to agree about heritage pics, but the those set of pics are of different coins. >>
Justin: I had these two filed together, now I see they are different coins; now I am wondering if I didn't own one of them and was included in one of the half dozen sets I put together. The other coin I know belonged to Walt Kennedy, who sold it to a board member.
I have a nice 35 now, and I thought it might upgrade to a 40, but no such luck. So, the hunt goes on.
I also agree about HA's images... On occasion, they are spot on...other times not so good.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Speaking of average pics…..Here is a neat looking dime that I bought raw at a local show a while back. I posted it a while back and a variety of very well presented opinions were given. Submitted it at FUN and got it back today.
Thought this would make for a good GTG. Anyone?
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Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
I decided to submit some of my Barber halves at FUN to our hosts for reconsideration service. I was fortunate enough to obtain a 96-s in 53 from Darrell and I was picking it up at the show. I believe that some of you are familiar with this 96-s. This coin (which I knew just came back from reconsideration service and was not upgraded) and 4 others were submitted. Darrell was good enough to give me his opinion on the others I was submitting and talked me out of doing 2 of the others. He tried to talk me out of the first two listed as well, but I thought I would give both those a shot. Coins shipped last night and the results (which are last) were posted: 1893-o- XF45….XF45+ 1896-o- XF40….no upgrade, but reholdered? 1896-s- AU53…AU55 1897-s VF30…VF35 1905-s- AU50….AU53 I've never seen a coin reholdered with a new number assigned, but not upgraded.
Notehunter, are you the gentleman who is from the same neck of the woods as Dr. Peter Shireman ?
If so, then I saw you intently examining Halves at Darrell's table and didn't want to interrupt you in the middle of your examining the coins you had selected.
I am very pleased for you having gotten the grades you did on reconsideration. Very interesting results.
I also had a half dozen submissions myself at FUN, in every tier imaginable. I received grades on two submissions.
My 1891 Nickel NGC 64 - Error Coin - 86% Cu, & 14% Ni crossed as a MS 64.
My raw ( economy service ) 1899-O Quarter which I purchased with the old NGC tag - was sent in with out the NGC tag - but: it also got graded as a 53 as well. That made my day.
Another submission in economy I will wait for are three other Barbers of different denominations in two different TPG holders. ( 1896 Dime in NGC 55 - Which looks like a 58 every day of the week ; 1906-D Quarter in NGC 55 - which could just as easily be in a 58 holder as well; and an 1894-O Half in ANACS 40 - which should be in a 45 holder - and I could use the bump in grade for my Registry set.) Really looking forward to those results.
Lastly is a Secure Plus regrade ( was in an OGH crackled old holder ) and thought why not, get a regrade into a premiere holder, and pray for an upgrade. It's an 1895-O Dime in AU ( 50 now, hoping for a 53 at least ).
I hope my results are as good as your's were !! Congratulations !!
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Notehunter-Congrats In your reconsideration grades. Especially that 96-S
Mike-nice results on yours as well, might I add I wish you luck on the future submission. I'm willing to bet $50 bucks but that 96 Dime upgrades to 58 and is the most beautiful dime I've seen( just saying) and having held and examined that the1906-D quarter in hand I would say that it would cross to a 58 As well. The 95-O dime would be a huge score if it upgraded. Best of luck to ya...
Mike- Good luck with those submissions. PM sent. mrkbrown87- Thanks. I'm pleased that it upgraded as I couldn't understand how it went through once reconsideration and didn't.
<< <i>Mike- Good luck with those submissions. PM sent. mrkbrown87- Thanks. I'm pleased that it upgraded as I couldn't understand how it went through once reconsideration and didn't. >>
TheNumismaGod's were watching over you at that time my friend.. I remember when Darryl post about not agreeing with their decision to not upgrade..
<< <i>I decided to submit some of my Barber halves at FUN to our hosts for reconsideration service. I was fortunate enough to obtain a 96-s in 53 from Darrell and I was picking it up at the show. I believe that some of you are familiar with this 96-s. This coin (which I knew just came back from reconsideration service and was not upgraded) and 4 others were submitted. Darrell was good enough to give me his opinion on the others I was submitting and talked me out of doing 2 of the others. He tried to talk me out of the first two listed as well, but I thought I would give both those a shot. Coins shipped last night and the results (which are last) were posted: 1893-o- XF45….XF45+ 1896-o- XF40….no upgrade, but reholdered? 1896-s- AU53…AU55 1897-s VF30…VF35 1905-s- AU50….AU53 I've never seen a coin reholdered with a new number assigned, but not upgraded. >>
Larry! I am glad that 96-S resides in the holder it should be now! It will be interesting to se the outcome on the reholdered coin. It could be a typo. If it is it will give you a headache getting it straightened out for your set.
Notehunter - Those are some impressive results and some really tough coins. Congrats on the successful resubmission.
Mike - Good luck on your resubmission, and on your previously stated sniping.
Finally, for those who guessed the grade on the 00 dime…..it was graded AU-58 by our hosts. I honestly thought it could go 55/58/63/or details when I bought it, but the pretty toning (and low asking price at the small show where I bought it) caught my eye enough to make me want to take a shot with our hosts. Im happy with the 58 grade and although Im not an expert dime grader by any means, I think it's pretty accurate.
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
<< <i>Larry! I am glad that 96-S resides in the holder it should be now! It will be interesting to se the outcome on the reholdered coin. It could be a typo. If it is it will give you a headache getting it straightened out for your set. >>
Thanks Darrell. Both numbers are available for the 96-o so until I upgrade it it looks like I'm good. I'm hoping that when they cracked it out of the older style holder nothing was hiding in the rim area that stopped the upgrade process. Otherwise I don't understand why it was cracked out. JKT- Thank you
Spotted this with a reasonable BIN or B/O - so - they accepted my offer. Some of the images made me a bit antsy, but I hope the coin looks close to these:
Edit: returned the coin due to an ancient staple scratch on the right obverse field. So... Back she went. Otherwise, it was an attractive coin.
Images removed so as not to hurt the dealer who owns the coin.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
Yes nice 97o 55 i owned that coin for 97 hours before it made it's way from NC to Ga. We needed to keep that coin in the south. the 97o in 45 was also my coin a superb 45. That coin was reserved for Cary but he changed directions but still landed in Georgia. I am not sure where the slabbed photo's of the 45 came from but if I get a chance I will put up a pic or 2. I have another 97o coming my way so let's see if we can improve on those 2. Walt
Well here is the biggest numismatic mistake I almost made. Me and the seller have done most of my Barber Quarter buisness and when I seen this coin while driving to work at 5 am I was so excited because its the 1St 96-O i have actually liked so I didn't closely examine it because it was affordable to me for a change so I contacted the seller and set up payment arrangements. So I get to work and pull the pics up and boy was I surprised and disappointed..
4 AM is not the time and driving to work is not the place to be buying coins. Even if it were an 1896-O in NGC 45 - that coin is too beat up to be in any other holder, but a Genuine, IMHO.
Now that you realized it was an 1893-O - and you have this on hold with me.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
barberkeys- Gorgeous looking 96-o. Thanks I'm happy with the 4 for 5. I might submit the 96-o one more time. MFH- Great looking 93-o. Darrell- Still not sure why they cracked out the 96-o unless they just wanted a closer look, but then decided not to upgrade it. At least there was nothing the other holder was covering up.
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Mike - Very nice dimes, that's some really vivid Wayte Raymond toning on the '06.
Pics for tonight, a coin I don't think I've posted before from Scott's collection, PC55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Hoard the keys
<< <i>how long do you think a coin has to be in a coin board or album to start toning that way? >>
It depends on several factors: the "cleanliness" of the coin, the amount of light and heat it's exposed to, the level of humidity, and (as crazy as it sounds) the level of airborne salts. Remember we're talking about a chemical reaction between silver and the sulfur in the cardboard, so higher levels of all of the above will speed the process along.
<< <i>
<< <i>how long do you think a coin has to be in a coin board or album to start toning that way? >>
It depends on several factors: the "cleanliness" of the coin, the amount of light and heat it's exposed to, the level of humidity, and (as crazy as it sounds) the level of airborne salts. Remember we're talking about a chemical reaction between silver and the sulfur in the cardboard, so higher levels of all of the above will speed the process along. >>
Excellent points Cary. Most of us know the toning development of my raw Barber Dimes in a Dansco album;
16 years in a bank vault where the air conditioning was turned off every night and all weekend and in SW Florida,
where the humidity levels are through the roof from late May to mid November and being less than a mile from
the Gulf of Mexico. All of these factors turned the coins into beautifully toned coins. This set was eventually sent
to PCGS and is now the foundation for the Beancounter collection.
My current sets of Barbers are now being subjected to the same environment, so, in ten years or so, be prepared
for the final sale of Elbesaar's Barbers.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
upgrade for my 1893-O Quarter. Going from an AU 53 immediately below:
to an AU 58.
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<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>how long do you think a coin has to be in a coin board or album to start toning that way? >>
It depends on several factors: the "cleanliness" of the coin, the amount of light and heat it's exposed to, the level of humidity, and (as crazy as it sounds) the level of airborne salts. Remember we're talking about a chemical reaction between silver and the sulfur in the cardboard, so higher levels of all of the above will speed the process along. >>
Excellent points Cary. Most of us know the toning development of my raw Barber Dimes in a Dansco album;
16 years in a bank vault where the air conditioning was turned off every night and all weekend and in SW Florida,
where the humidity levels are through the roof from late May to mid November and being less than a mile from
the Gulf of Mexico. All of these factors turned the coins into beautifully toned coins. This set was eventually sent
to PCGS and is now the foundation for the Beancounter collection.
My current sets of Barbers are now being subjected to the same environment, so, in ten years or so, be prepared
for the final sale of Elbesaar's Barbers. >>
So...Mike! Can we dub you a coin doctor?
Darrell... Hardly, my friend.
All I do is use a Dansco, a Waite Raymond album
and/ or an Eagle album, then, leave the coins alone.
In the past, once I bought a raw coin, I'd place it in
a non PVC flip - and it would most likely go in an Eagle
Album.
I still have all of my old Whitman Bookshelf albums but
nothing is in them, as they are more for display at this point.
So, my friend, I am as far from a coin doctor as anyone I know.
I'm so concerned with ruining a coin's surfaces, I won't even use
acetone.
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<< <i>Darrell... Hardly, my friend.
All I do is use a Dansco, a Waite Raymond album
and/ or an Eagle album, then, leave the coins alone.
In the past, once I bought a raw coin, I'd place it in
a non PVC flip - and it would most likely go in an Eagle
Album.
I still have all of my old Whitman Bookshelf albums but
nothing is in them, as they are more for display at this point.
So, my friend, I am as far from a coin doctor as anyone I know.
I'm so concerned with ruining a coin's surfaces, I won't even use
acetone. >>
+1
Hoard the keys
Coin is not mine....Years ago was owned by Tony Terranova.....Not sure where it resides today
www.brunkauctions.com
Hoard the keys
<< <i>Darrell... Hardly, my friend.
All I do is use a Dansco, a Waite Raymond album
and/ or an Eagle album, then, leave the coins alone.
In the past, once I bought a raw coin, I'd place it in
a non PVC flip - and it would most likely go in an Eagle
Album.
I still have all of my old Whitman Bookshelf albums but
nothing is in them, as they are more for display at this point.
So, my friend, I am as far from a coin doctor as anyone I know.
I'm so concerned with ruining a coin's surfaces, I won't even use
acetone. >>
Mike! I hope you understand I was teasing you!
Savoy Special - Very cool coin………have to say that IMO your handle is even cooler though. - "Go pick me out a winner, Bobby."
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
Darrell... You know I always take your messages with a grain of salt,
but there are some here who do not know our relationship who might
think I was a coin doctor.
By the way, Mr. Kreis, I think you should grow another beard. I liked
your old FUN badge. Don't listen to the wife. It looked great on you !
Thx, JT. BTW, I am following one of your auctions, and good luck with them.
My eyes are on a particularly under graded coin you're selling. Before all of
our mutual friends start clamoring as to which coin I am speaking of and start
pestering you by PM as to what coin I am referring to, have no fear, I will
snipe the death out of this coin. It's a duplicate of what I already have in the set
but, a nice coin with great eye appeal is worth having in duplicate.
Sorry, Darrell, my Halves are as done as I think they will ever get. I have 4 dates
I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up. One of these
days, I'll need to take a road trip to North Georgia and look at your multiple collections.
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Savoy - Very interesting barber, thanks for posting.
Pics for today, a beauty from the Iowa collection, PC58:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
<< <i>Darrell... You know I always take your messages with a grain of salt,
but there are some here who do not know our relationship who might
think I was a coin doctor.
By the way, Mr. Kreis, I think you should grow another beard. I liked
your old FUN badge. Don't listen to the wife. It looked great on you ! >>
Yeah there do seem to be some on the forum that can't understand a little fun!
LOLOLOL on the beard! You do realize how old that picture is. While my hair...what little I still have requires no attention...if I grew a beard again I would have to dye every few weeks as it would be mostly white.
<< <i>Sorry, Darrell, my Halves are as done as I think they will ever get. I have 4 dates
I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up. One of these
days, I'll need to take a road trip to North Georgia and look at your multiple collections. >>
Either I am having a brain fart or I don't know what inspired this comment! You are welcome to look at my collections but nothing is forsale! It would have to be during banking ours as they are entombed in a SDB!
Vern...I think you are giving me credit for Cary's comment on how long it would take the coins to tone.
<< <i>...I have 4 dates
I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up... >>
I can wait too.
Hoard the keys
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<< <i>...I have 4 dates
I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up... >>
I can wait too.
I know this coin would work perfectly in my Half Collection - but the owner has it locked away
and nothing will pry it loose.
Keep waiting, LogPotato - I have to as well.
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<< <i>
<< <i>...I have 4 dates
I need to upgrade ... and I can wait until the right 45-53 shows up... >>
I can wait too.
I know this coin would work perfectly in my Half Collection - but the owner has it locked away
and nothing will pry it loose.
Keep waiting, LogPotato - I have to as well. >>
These pics directly above, to my eyes, nicely represents my one and only complaint about Heritage. I think HA is great and I have purchased more than a dozen or so coins from them, but I certainly have learned to train myself to recalibrate what I am looking at when it comes to "steel gray" or lightly colored Barber quarters. FWIW I love the look of the coin based on the first set of pics. The HA pics….not so much. Ive never seen the coin in hand, but Id strongly suspect that the coin looks more like the first set.
I myself am far from a "real" coin photographer (although getting better is on my list of things to start putting time into in 2014) so Im not saying "I could do better" or even offering a specific critique of anything particular that they should do from a technical standpoint. Id just think that with HA's place in the market and bottom line margin in their rare coin sector, they'd produce the best pics in the business, but IMHO that is far from the case when it comes to Barber quarters, which is what I am looking at about 90% of the time Im on their site.
That said, if I owned that coin and wanted to sell it, and I didn't know other collectors of the series (i.e. I was an heir or a very lucky storage lot bidder or something), HA would absolutely be where I'd go to sell it, so Im not sure what my real takeaway is supposed to be here.
Anyways, just a random tangent on a lazy and freezing cold night here in VA. I know the topic of HA pics arises from time to time….I just thought Mike's pics presented a case in point.
That 97-O looks great and I know it's a heck of a tough date. Mike's post inspired me to check it out on coin facts and those are some very low pop numbers in XF/AU. Very cool.
(Edited for grammar)
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
Yes, Walt, its your old coin.
No, Walt its not available.
I was in the wings when you sold it ....
one of these days a similar coin will surface.
EDIT: My old 1897-O Half in my better set:
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JKT, I have to agree about heritage pics, but the those set of pics are of different coins.
After buying quite a few coins from their photos, I can say the mostly do a disservice to their consignors at times. And at other times, they make the coin look better. But when your buying coins like an XF/AU 97-O, it's a lot better to have a fellow collector or dealer on the ground to check it out for you. I would hate to be on the later end of the above situation.
Most of the coins I bought from their photographs have been nice, especially the 14-P I bought last year. But some have been less than expected.
Now cue Mike posting that they are indeed different coins
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
<< <i>Justin, you may be right, but I looked very closely at the two sets before I posted and after looking at the coinfacts photos more closely I definitely think they are the same. The obverse rub on the high points all appear to be in the exact same areas, and the hits directly under Liberty's eye seem to be the same as well. It really doesn't matter at all, but I am genuinely curious as to what your (or anyone else who agrees or knows that they are different) indicators are that they are different (besides the ridiculous differences in color)?
Now cue Mike posting that they are indeed different coins
Look at the two hits at the wreath ribbon on the obverse on the first coin and try to find them on the second coin. I couldn't find them.
Now I remember why I cancelled my subscription to Highlights Magazine back in '84.
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
<< <i>Mike, those aren't the same coins. There are certain marks on the first coin that aren't on the second coin. Not sure if you thought they were or not. That first coin has some hits, but looks far superior IMO.
JKT, I have to agree about heritage pics, but the those set of pics are of different coins. >>
Justin: I had these two filed together, now I see they are different coins; now I am wondering
if I didn't own one of them and was included in one of the half dozen sets I put together. The
other coin I know belonged to Walt Kennedy, who sold it to a board member.
I have a nice 35 now, and I thought it might upgrade to a 40, but no such luck. So, the hunt goes on.
I also agree about HA's images... On occasion, they are spot on...other times not so good.
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Thought this would make for a good GTG. Anyone?
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
BHNC #203
JT - I'll guess 55.
Pics for this AM, from my raw set:
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Coins shipped last night and the results (which are last) were posted:
1893-o- XF45….XF45+
1896-o- XF40….no upgrade, but reholdered?
1896-s- AU53…AU55
1897-s VF30…VF35
1905-s- AU50….AU53
I've never seen a coin reholdered with a new number assigned, but not upgraded.
Notehunter, are you the gentleman who is from the same
neck of the woods as Dr. Peter Shireman ?
If so, then I saw you intently examining Halves at Darrell's
table and didn't want to interrupt you in the middle of your
examining the coins you had selected.
I am very pleased for you having gotten the grades you did
on reconsideration. Very interesting results.
I also had a half dozen submissions myself at FUN, in every tier
imaginable. I received grades on two submissions.
My 1891 Nickel NGC 64 - Error Coin - 86% Cu, & 14% Ni
crossed as a MS 64.
My raw ( economy service ) 1899-O Quarter which I purchased
with the old NGC tag - was sent in with out the NGC tag - but:
it also got graded as a 53 as well. That made my day.
Another submission in economy I will wait for are three other Barbers
of different denominations in two different TPG holders. ( 1896 Dime in NGC 55 -
Which looks like a 58 every day of the week ; 1906-D Quarter in NGC 55 -
which could just as easily be in a 58 holder as well; and an 1894-O Half in
ANACS 40 - which should be in a 45 holder - and I could use the bump in
grade for my Registry set.) Really looking forward to those results.
Lastly is a Secure Plus regrade ( was in an OGH crackled old holder ) and thought
why not, get a regrade into a premiere holder, and pray for an upgrade. It's an
1895-O Dime in AU ( 50 now, hoping for a 53 at least ).
I hope my results are as good as your's were !! Congratulations !!
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Mike-nice results on yours as well, might I add I wish you luck on the future submission. I'm willing to bet $50 bucks but that 96 Dime upgrades to 58 and is the most beautiful dime I've seen( just saying) and having held and examined that the1906-D quarter in hand I would say that it would cross to a 58 As well. The 95-O dime would be a huge score if it upgraded. Best of luck to ya...
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mrkbrown87- Thanks. I'm pleased that it upgraded as I couldn't understand how it went through once reconsideration and didn't.
<< <i>Mike- Good luck with those submissions. PM sent.
mrkbrown87- Thanks. I'm pleased that it upgraded as I couldn't understand how it went through once reconsideration and didn't. >>
TheNumismaGod's were watching over you at that time my friend.. I remember when Darryl post about not agreeing with their decision to not upgrade..
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<< <i>I decided to submit some of my Barber halves at FUN to our hosts for reconsideration service. I was fortunate enough to obtain a 96-s in 53 from Darrell and I was picking it up at the show. I believe that some of you are familiar with this 96-s. This coin (which I knew just came back from reconsideration service and was not upgraded) and 4 others were submitted. Darrell was good enough to give me his opinion on the others I was submitting and talked me out of doing 2 of the others. He tried to talk me out of the first two listed as well, but I thought I would give both those a shot.
Coins shipped last night and the results (which are last) were posted:
1893-o- XF45….XF45+
1896-o- XF40….no upgrade, but reholdered?
1896-s- AU53…AU55
1897-s VF30…VF35
1905-s- AU50….AU53
I've never seen a coin reholdered with a new number assigned, but not upgraded. >>
Larry! I am glad that 96-S resides in the holder it should be now! It will be interesting to se the outcome on the reholdered coin. It could be a typo. If it is it will give you a headache getting it straightened out for your set.
Mike - Good luck on your resubmission, and on your previously stated sniping.
Finally, for those who guessed the grade on the 00 dime…..it was graded AU-58 by our hosts. I honestly thought it could go 55/58/63/or details when I bought it, but the pretty toning (and low asking price at the small show where I bought it) caught my eye enough to make me want to take a shot with our hosts. Im happy with the 58 grade and although Im not an expert dime grader by any means, I think it's pretty accurate.
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
<< <i>Larry! I am glad that 96-S resides in the holder it should be now! It will be interesting to se the outcome on the reholdered coin. It could be a typo. If it is it will give you a headache getting it straightened out for your set. >>
Thanks Darrell. Both numbers are available for the 96-o so until I upgrade it it looks like I'm good. I'm hoping that when they cracked it out of the older style holder nothing was hiding in the rim area that stopped the upgrade process. Otherwise I don't understand why it was cracked out.
JKT- Thank you
Good luck.
AMwld: nice upgrades, congrats
BHNC #203
Some of the images made me a bit antsy, but I hope the coin looks close to these:
Edit: returned the coin due to an ancient staple scratch on the right obverse field.
So... Back she went. Otherwise, it was an attractive coin.
Images removed so as not to hurt the dealer who owns the coin.
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Mark,
4 AM is not the time and driving to work is not the place to be buying coins.
Even if it were an 1896-O in NGC 45 - that coin is too beat up to be in any
other holder, but a Genuine, IMHO.
Now that you realized it was an 1893-O - and you have this on hold with me.
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JT - 58 doesn't surprise me. Good job on the original raw purchase.
Mike - Nice '09 qtr.
Mark - Avoiding that mis-labeled coin was a good break.
Pics for this AM, one of the very few dimes I own, my first transaction with Glenn H, PC55:
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MFH- Great looking 93-o.
Darrell- Still not sure why they cracked out the 96-o unless they just wanted a closer look, but then decided not to upgrade it. At least there was nothing the other holder was covering up.