I guess many of you noticed the outlandish price the 11-S 1/2 brought in 58! I would wager the buyer(if it is who I think it is) didn't notice it was an S/S.
Still way to much money IMO!
Edit to add...LOL I told myself 3 times they were John's quarters and still said Doug!
I went out and looked at the 11s/s au58 half that went for 6 K + hard to comprehend - who ever put that coin in the auction block has to be surprised and a very happy little camper.
I have to agree with Vern here. I am not much of a quarter guy, but I do keep an eye on a lot of them. I haven't seen a lot of nice high AU 16P's in the last few years. One of the common years, but seems to be an uncommon coin in nice AU. For every 10 16-D's that come to market, you'd be lucky to find one nice 16P.
As to the 16 quarters...I'll expand on Justin's comments and say VF and up! I think your assessment is pretty close. I get 16-D's quite frerquently...seldom a 16 and it is always gone at the 1st show I attend.
Verne you sure are making nice midgrade barber quarters look common!
We need to watch the PCGS pop reports on that 11-S/S. If I'm not mistaken there was only 1 AU graded by PCGS. Be interesting to see if it is resubmitted for the variety. I for 1 think there are more out there. I just don't think there are that many people looking for them.
Thanks barber buddies although I got these to resale to pay a current tough S mint I think they are premium example s.. here is another coins that is tougher than most thinK in original AU 58
Doug - Yes, David Lawrence actually stated they had won that auction for the 01-S on both their website and on the US Coin Forum here shortly after securing it. Of course they also believed the coin sold low and there was room to make a margin. I find it somewhat humorous that as many as a dozen long term collectors/dealers/specialists in Barber coinage all had the same opinion regarding the lower quality of this coin and most believe the coin should be bagged for being cleaned. Amazing one of the industry's leading Barber authorities would put a different spin on the quality of the coin. They seem to be firm believers this coin to be of high quality. That "auction" on their website is very reserved and in my opinion, will not be sold any time soon but we shall see I suppose
I posted this coin via my photos a month+ or so ago .. I have received much nicer images courtesy of Barberkeys .. Lustrous coin with sharp detail. very appealing. While there are many other coins that were also photographed, I would like to include one other coin that I find quite appealing. This one I have had for quite some time and was originally purchased in an NGC-55 holder .. thanks for taking the time :Both coins are very nice. The 07-S is frostier, more lustrous but the 95-S has a great original look, also lustrous and very appealing. Both coins are very choice. 1895 is one of my favorite years for Barber Quarters and Halves - all 3 mints for both series are difficult to find nice in AU/MS. I have two raw quarters currently in transit to the photography studios of Barberkeys and should be in his possession early next week. The two raw quarters are a tremendously choice original 1895-P Quarter that I grade MS62 - super original choice toning with the slightest remnants of a fingerprint in the upper obverse right hand field. It is faint and to me, unbothersome. Some hate any indication of a fingerprint so it is a personal feeling. Many wouldn't even notice it had I not pointed it out as it blends with the toning perfectly. The other coin is a gorgeous 1895-S Quarter that I grade AU58. It could very well be MS62/63 and was sold raw by the dealer as an MS62. I looked at it twice during the show trying to formulate my own opinion and it wasn't until later that night I changed my min d from MS62+ to AU58. Both coins will probably eventually find their way to PCGS. In the meantime, i am curious to hear other opinions of grade, originality and eye appeal. Finding any 1895 quarter from grades of XF to MS is a challenge regardless of mint.
Both the 95-s and the 07-s are very "eye appealing". My opinion is that your AU 58 07-s is one of the most difficult top end AU's in the entire Barber Quarter set. I have never found one to my liking in over 40 years!!!!
Scott! I see you decided to keep the 04-S 1/2 and resolved the Cert # issues. So what is your take on the major differences from the Heritage pictures and Lawrences? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! Must be pretty nice if you decided to keep it!
Thanks Craig - 40 years! Wow .. that would be a long time to not find a single example suitable to your taste .. incredible actually
<< <i>Scott! I see you decided to keep the 04-S 1/2 and resolved the Cert # issues. So what is your take on the major differences from the Heritage pictures and Lawrences? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! Must be pretty nice if you decided to keep it! >>
I spoke with John Albanese last Friday. He actually remembered the coin. He explained the message on PCGS (as suspected by another forum member), " The cert is not available for display" is used when a coin is sent to be reholdered as Mr. Laibstain did. As the initial cert was verified by CAC that remains in the CAC database (they remain in the PCGS database as well, they just don't make it available for public display). When the coin was reholdered, that information is maintained by CAC and therefore, although both cert numbers verify at CAC, they are aware there is only one unique coin and hence, pop 1 at CAC
The coin is very nice. The reverse is virtually MS with full cartwheel luster. Surfaces appear to be close to fully original or at worst, mostly original; could have been lightly dipped at one time. Coin looks very close to the plate coin image on PCGS (25366483). That same plate image was used on HLRC website. The obverse has slightly more wear than the reverse but is still very consistent with a 55 graded Barber. The coin is wonderful. the grading is very conservative; I would hardly disagree with a full 55 grade and am very pleased with the coin. The Heritage pictures turn out to be the inaccurate ones in this case.
<< <i>I spoke with John Albanese last Friday. He actually remembered the coin. He explained the message on PCGS (as suspected by another forum member), " The cert is not available for display" is used when a coin is sent to be reholdered as Mr. Laibstain did. As the initial cert was verified by CAC that remains in the CAC database (they remain in the PCGS database as well, they just don't make it available for public display). When the coin was reholdered, that information is maintained by CAC and therefore, although both cert numbers verify at CAC, they are aware there is only one unique coin and hence, pop 1 at CAC
The coin is very nice. The reverse is virtually MS with full cartwheel luster. Surfaces appear to be close to fully original or at worst, mostly original; could have been lightly dipped at one time. Coin looks very close to the plate coin image on PCGS (25366483). That same plate image was used on HLRC website. The obverse has slightly more wear than the reverse but is still very consistent with a 55 graded Barber. The coin is wonderful. the grading is very conservative; I would hardly disagree with a full 55 grade and am very pleased with the coin. The Heritage pictures turn out to be the inaccurate ones in this case. >>
Amazing! I am really beginning to wonder when these poor quality pictures is going to come bite heritage in the backside! I thought I had learned to judge their pictures but that 04-S amazes me. If they continue to be inconsistant with their poor photos they will begin to loose their "coach potato customers" after they are burned. They will also begin to loose consignors. That 04-S is an excellent examp[le of a consignor getting the shaft. If that 04-S is as nice as the PCGS pictures I wager if would have brought several thousand more! I have experienced this with heritage and if they are ever going to get consignments from me again they will have to offer a no fee reserve!
I guess my only unanswered question is why did the coin end up in a new holder with a new cert. number. If it was a reholder it would retain the original cert. number. Only Lawrence could answer this and my only possible explanation(which would be a defense for Heritage) is perhaps the coin developed a light haze from PVC and all it need was a quick bath in acetone?
wow what a day in Baltimore !! Just finished dinner with BarberKeys and a couple of his coin buddies from near chicago - they are first class guys and we had a great time. As usual BarberKeys is simply amazing at finding top notch coins - get ready for pics when he returns of 3 superb BQ's 97s,09o and 07 d .-I won't divulge grades. I picked up 5 very nice seated quarters including a 53na. Now for the big question did he buy me dinner - YES he did !! Tomorrow I finally get the chance to see and possibly work out deal on a 71cc VF30 Quarter.
What a terrific afternoon in Baltimore today. Got to attend my first BCCS meeting and really enjoyed meeting Vern, Walt, and Darrell for the first time in addition to some other fine gentlemen. Didn't get to spend as much time walking the floor as Id have liked, but did manage to pick up some nice coins for my raw album and a couple of tougher coins in PC holders. Here is one that will be added to my registry set over the weekend. A nice original XF-40 with a CAC sticker to boot, courtesy of Darrell (amwldcoin).
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Got back from Baltimore last night. A very enjoyable trip. Acquired four qtrs and a capped bust dime, but the highlight was getting together with collector friends (new and old), talking with many dealers who I only see once or twice a year, and examining lots of coins. The Barber Coin Collector Society meeting was enjoyable and I met JT for the first time (nice '13, by the way). I highly recommend attending a big show, regardless of whether you have a big coin budget. More to follow.
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
After reading this post about the 01-s quarter on DLRC site, the prior heritage coin.
I went back and looked its not only selling for a good profit (which I am glad to see, because I have strong money in my PCGS 53) they CAC'd the coin as well. jim
I've heard so many wonderful stories about the Baltimore show. Really wish I could have taken part. Can't wait to see all the pix, including the seated 25c.
<< <i>After reading this post about the 01-s quarter on DLRC site, the prior heritage coin.
I went back and looked its not only selling for a good profit (which I am glad to see, because I have strong money in my PCGS 53) they CAC'd the coin as well. jim >>
Jim,
But who would bid 40K on a coin that sold for $32,900 six weeks earlier at Heritage?
It happens all the time. In fact one of the collectors that you probably met (and know) at the Show who attended the barber collectors meeting friends of VS and Keith and RS used to buy coins right off the dealers right after they bought them out of auction.
I know of other collectors that wait till there list of dealers get coins on there site, that came straight from a prior auction, then buy them at a new price.
It was great to meet JKT and glad I was able to put a somewhat tough coin in his collection. He is the Newest member of the Barber club!
It is always great to chat with Vern! I let him look through some of my collection I am trying to get the Grading Gods to upgrade. My 1st 1 did! My 04-S is now a 55! I have 12 others in for reconsideration as well as 1 I will be selling.
The club meeting was great but 58 Quarters had to taint it with a spectacular 72-CC Quarter and the President strayed into penny talk!
I thought the Baltimore show was off about 40% to the prior 10 years or so of shows I have attended. We did OK...probably great considering all the worries floating around about the Government,Obamacare,and the Economy.
LOL on the 01-S quarter...it is no different than the 04-S 1/2 recently discussed!
doug I mailed you pix of the new seated stash, the 72cc is the most amazing coin I have ever had the pleasure of owning. Don't know the rules of this thread so I am not posting anything but barbers.
Doug and Jim, Interesting discussion on the 01-S. I'm thinking like Doug, but I'm sure buyers will do what Jim mentioned too. If I were a dealer, I'd play that hand a little differently. I'd put that coin away for a few years and then list it. There was so much hype about the 01-S's, and many keen eyes agreed that the Pcgs coin was inferior. The point that CAC put its logo on it further cements my feelings about what that is worth.
So Doug's point about why anyone would drop 8K extra for a coin makes sense to me, and Jim's point that someone probably will is also valid.
I just checked the Pcgs price guide for 01-S's and it looks like they have adjusted down from the recent auctions.
<< <i>doug I mailed you pix of the new seated stash, the 72cc is the most amazing coin I have ever had the pleasure of owning. Don't know the rules of this thread so I am not posting anything but barbers. >>
I wouldnt mind making an exception...share the 72cc!
No! I'm not getting older! I just corrected my earlier post where I had the wrong member listed for flaunting a Liberty Seated Quarter at the Barber Club Meeting!
IMO something is not right about the miraculous rise in bidding on the now CAC'd 01-S in 55. Does anybody think that DLRC has a broader auction base than Heritage? I asked John F, at his Baltimore table to view the PC55, but he didn't bring it to the show. Hmmmmmm?????? Since it originally sold at Long Beach, I guess they don't see a need to let potential east coast customers view it in hand.
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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JT - Very nice additions, 93-O looks pretty close to a 50 to me.
Pics for tonight, addition to my collection after a very enjoyable meeting with Doug, Saturday, PC58:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I guess many of you noticed the outlandish price the 11-S 1/2 brought in 58! I would wager the buyer(if it is who I think it is) didn't notice it was an S/S.
Still way to much money IMO!
Edit to add...LOL I told myself 3 times they were John's quarters and still said Doug!
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
Pics for this AM, relatively new addition to the SAM collection, PC58::
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Just my observations.
Pics for tonight, my newp courtesy of Doug, PC45:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Verne you sure are making nice midgrade barber quarters look common!
We need to watch the PCGS pop reports on that 11-S/S. If I'm not mistaken there was only 1 AU graded by PCGS. Be interesting to see if it is resubmitted for the variety. I for 1 think there are more out there. I just don't think there are that many people looking for them.
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Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
Hoard the keys
Doug
I posted this coin via my photos a month+ or so ago .. I have received much nicer images courtesy of Barberkeys .. Lustrous coin with sharp detail. very appealing. While there are many other coins that were also photographed, I would like to include one other coin that I find quite appealing. This one I have had for quite some time and was originally purchased in an NGC-55 holder .. thanks for taking the time :Both coins are very nice. The 07-S is frostier, more lustrous but the 95-S has a great original look, also lustrous and very appealing. Both coins are very choice.
1895 is one of my favorite years for Barber Quarters and Halves - all 3 mints for both series are difficult to find nice in AU/MS. I have two raw quarters currently in transit to the photography studios of Barberkeys and should be in his possession early next week. The two raw quarters are a tremendously choice original 1895-P Quarter that I grade MS62 - super original choice toning with the slightest remnants of a fingerprint in the upper obverse right hand field. It is faint and to me, unbothersome. Some hate any indication of a fingerprint so it is a personal feeling. Many wouldn't even notice it had I not pointed it out as it blends with the toning perfectly. The other coin is a gorgeous 1895-S Quarter that I grade AU58. It could very well be MS62/63 and was sold raw by the dealer as an MS62. I looked at it twice during the show trying to formulate my own opinion and it wasn't until later that night I changed my min d from MS62+ to AU58. Both coins will probably eventually find their way to PCGS. In the meantime, i am curious to hear other opinions of grade, originality and eye appeal. Finding any 1895 quarter from grades of XF to MS is a challenge regardless of mint.
Again, Thanks for the assist Vern
PCGS AU58
PCGS AU55
Both the 95-s and the 07-s are very "eye appealing". My opinion is that your AU 58 07-s is one of the most difficult top end AU's in the entire Barber Quarter set. I have never found one to my liking in over 40 years!!!!
Congrats.
___________
Craig
<< <i>Scott! I see you decided to keep the 04-S 1/2 and resolved the Cert # issues. So what is your take on the major differences from the Heritage pictures and Lawrences? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! Must be pretty nice if you decided to keep it! >>
I spoke with John Albanese last Friday. He actually remembered the coin. He explained the message on PCGS (as suspected by another forum member), " The cert is not available for display" is used when a coin is sent to be reholdered as Mr. Laibstain did. As the initial cert was verified by CAC that remains in the CAC database (they remain in the PCGS database as well, they just don't make it available for public display). When the coin was reholdered, that information is maintained by CAC and therefore, although both cert numbers verify at CAC, they are aware there is only one unique coin and hence, pop 1 at CAC
The coin is very nice. The reverse is virtually MS with full cartwheel luster. Surfaces appear to be close to fully original or at worst, mostly original; could have been lightly dipped at one time. Coin looks very close to the plate coin image on PCGS (25366483). That same plate image was used on HLRC website. The obverse has slightly more wear than the reverse but is still very consistent with a 55 graded Barber. The coin is wonderful. the grading is very conservative; I would hardly disagree with a full 55 grade and am very pleased with the coin. The Heritage pictures turn out to be the inaccurate ones in this case.
<< <i>I spoke with John Albanese last Friday. He actually remembered the coin. He explained the message on PCGS (as suspected by another forum member), " The cert is not available for display" is used when a coin is sent to be reholdered as Mr. Laibstain did. As the initial cert was verified by CAC that remains in the CAC database (they remain in the PCGS database as well, they just don't make it available for public display). When the coin was reholdered, that information is maintained by CAC and therefore, although both cert numbers verify at CAC, they are aware there is only one unique coin and hence, pop 1 at CAC
The coin is very nice. The reverse is virtually MS with full cartwheel luster. Surfaces appear to be close to fully original or at worst, mostly original; could have been lightly dipped at one time. Coin looks very close to the plate coin image on PCGS (25366483). That same plate image was used on HLRC website. The obverse has slightly more wear than the reverse but is still very consistent with a 55 graded Barber. The coin is wonderful. the grading is very conservative; I would hardly disagree with a full 55 grade and am very pleased with the coin. The Heritage pictures turn out to be the inaccurate ones in this case. >>
Amazing! I am really beginning to wonder when these poor quality pictures is going to come bite heritage in the backside! I thought I had learned to judge their pictures but that 04-S amazes me. If they continue to be inconsistant with their poor photos they will begin to loose their "coach potato customers" after they are burned. They will also begin to loose consignors. That 04-S is an excellent examp[le of a consignor getting the shaft. If that 04-S is as nice as the PCGS pictures I wager if would have brought several thousand more! I have experienced this with heritage and if they are ever going to get consignments from me again they will have to offer a no fee reserve!
I guess my only unanswered question is why did the coin end up in a new holder with a new cert. number. If it was a reholder it would retain the original cert. number. Only Lawrence could answer this and my only possible explanation(which would be a defense for Heritage) is perhaps the coin developed a light haze from PVC and all it need was a quick bath in acetone?
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
Doug
Hoard the keys
Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
I went back and looked its not only selling for a good profit (which I am glad to see, because I have strong money in my PCGS 53) they CAC'd the coin as well.
jim
Paesan
Hoard the keys
<< <i>After reading this post about the 01-s quarter on DLRC site, the prior heritage coin.
I went back and looked its not only selling for a good profit (which I am glad to see, because I have strong money in my PCGS 53) they CAC'd the coin as well.
jim >>
Jim,
But who would bid 40K on a coin that sold for $32,900 six weeks earlier at Heritage?
Doug
Hoard the keys
It happens all the time. In fact one of the collectors that you probably met (and know) at the Show who attended the barber collectors meeting friends of VS and Keith and RS used to buy coins right off the dealers right after they bought them out of auction.
I know of other collectors that wait till there list of dealers get coins on there site, that came straight from a prior auction, then buy them at a new price.
jim
It is always great to chat with Vern! I let him look through some of my collection I am trying to get the Grading Gods to upgrade. My 1st 1 did! My 04-S is now a 55!
The club meeting was great but 58 Quarters had to taint it with a spectacular 72-CC Quarter and the President strayed into penny talk!
I thought the Baltimore show was off about 40% to the prior 10 years or so of shows I have attended. We did OK...probably great considering all the worries floating around about the Government,Obamacare,and the Economy.
LOL on the 01-S quarter...it is no different than the 04-S 1/2 recently discussed!
So Doug's point about why anyone would drop 8K extra for a coin makes sense to me, and Jim's point that someone probably will is also valid.
I just checked the Pcgs price guide for 01-S's and it looks like they have adjusted down from the recent auctions.
Paesan
<< <i>doug I mailed you pix of the new seated stash, the 72cc is the most amazing coin I have ever had the pleasure of owning. Don't know the rules of this thread so I am not posting anything but barbers. >>
I wouldnt mind making an exception...share the 72cc!
Hopefully the new owner of the coin will be happy with it and buys the coin... not the labels/stickers.
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l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Would like to know for reference
that is a nice coin
awesome pick up walt
-Now back to the regularly scheduled Barber program!
<< <i>jesus,
that is a nice coin
awesome pick up walt >>
Those pictures do not do the coin justice! It is much nicer in hand! I got a chuckle when Liz was making comments about it being XF!
Jim, a few hours before the end of the auction the 01-S was up to $44,500! I don't know where it closed.
Doug
Vern, Agree it is quite telling that the 01-S wasn't at Baltimore for viewing.
Thanks for the nice 12-S.
44,500$? I'll bet it goes back up on auction again.
If it sold over 44k legit, then Doug's is worth 60,000.
Paesan
Jim/Doug - Only $44.5K for that 01-S. Something is rotten in Denmark.
First of my newps from Balt, care to guess the grade (for those of you who don't already know what PC said)?
l
It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Doug
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