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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark...you are knocking about picking up those quarters. I really do wonder why the 06-D is so elusive....they are tough in the VF-AU range!
  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    Very nice 06 D Mark. Nice pick up!

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    Thanks barber buddies although I got these to resale to pay a current tough S mint I think they are premium example s.. here is another coins that is tougher than most thinK in original AU 58imageimage
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Has anyone been following the auction of the AU55 1901-S quarter at David Lawrence? It's the same coin that sold at Heritage 9-27-13. Interesting!

    Doug
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭
    Doug - Yes, David Lawrence actually stated they had won that auction for the 01-S on both their website and on the US Coin Forum here shortly after securing it. Of course they also believed the coin sold low and there was room to make a margin. I find it somewhat humorous that as many as a dozen long term collectors/dealers/specialists in Barber coinage all had the same opinion regarding the lower quality of this coin and most believe the coin should be bagged for being cleaned. Amazing one of the industry's leading Barber authorities would put a different spin on the quality of the coin. They seem to be firm believers this coin to be of high quality. That "auction" on their website is very reserved and in my opinion, will not be sold any time soon but we shall see I suppose


    I posted this coin via my photos a month+ or so ago .. I have received much nicer images courtesy of Barberkeys .. Lustrous coin with sharp detail. very appealing. While there are many other coins that were also photographed, I would like to include one other coin that I find quite appealing. This one I have had for quite some time and was originally purchased in an NGC-55 holder .. thanks for taking the time :Both coins are very nice. The 07-S is frostier, more lustrous but the 95-S has a great original look, also lustrous and very appealing. Both coins are very choice.
    1895 is one of my favorite years for Barber Quarters and Halves - all 3 mints for both series are difficult to find nice in AU/MS. I have two raw quarters currently in transit to the photography studios of Barberkeys and should be in his possession early next week. The two raw quarters are a tremendously choice original 1895-P Quarter that I grade MS62 - super original choice toning with the slightest remnants of a fingerprint in the upper obverse right hand field. It is faint and to me, unbothersome. Some hate any indication of a fingerprint so it is a personal feeling. Many wouldn't even notice it had I not pointed it out as it blends with the toning perfectly. The other coin is a gorgeous 1895-S Quarter that I grade AU58. It could very well be MS62/63 and was sold raw by the dealer as an MS62. I looked at it twice during the show trying to formulate my own opinion and it wasn't until later that night I changed my min d from MS62+ to AU58. Both coins will probably eventually find their way to PCGS. In the meantime, i am curious to hear other opinions of grade, originality and eye appeal. Finding any 1895 quarter from grades of XF to MS is a challenge regardless of mint.

    Again, Thanks for the assist Vern
    PCGS AU58
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    PCGS AU55
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  • Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭
    Scott,

    Both the 95-s and the 07-s are very "eye appealing". My opinion is that your AU 58 07-s is one of the most difficult top end AU's in the entire Barber Quarter set. I have never found one to my liking in over 40 years!!!!

    Congrats.


    ___________
    Craig
    Craig


  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scott! I see you decided to keep the 04-S 1/2 and resolved the Cert # issues. So what is your take on the major differences from the Heritage pictures and Lawrences? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! image Must be pretty nice if you decided to keep it!
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Craig - 40 years! Wow .. that would be a long time to not find a single example suitable to your taste .. incredible actually



    << <i>Scott! I see you decided to keep the 04-S 1/2 and resolved the Cert # issues. So what is your take on the major differences from the Heritage pictures and Lawrences? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! Must be pretty nice if you decided to keep it! >>



    I spoke with John Albanese last Friday. He actually remembered the coin. He explained the message on PCGS (as suspected by another forum member), " The cert is not available for display" is used when a coin is sent to be reholdered as Mr. Laibstain did. As the initial cert was verified by CAC that remains in the CAC database (they remain in the PCGS database as well, they just don't make it available for public display). When the coin was reholdered, that information is maintained by CAC and therefore, although both cert numbers verify at CAC, they are aware there is only one unique coin and hence, pop 1 at CAC

    The coin is very nice. The reverse is virtually MS with full cartwheel luster. Surfaces appear to be close to fully original or at worst, mostly original; could have been lightly dipped at one time. Coin looks very close to the plate coin image on PCGS (25366483). That same plate image was used on HLRC website. The obverse has slightly more wear than the reverse but is still very consistent with a 55 graded Barber. The coin is wonderful. the grading is very conservative; I would hardly disagree with a full 55 grade and am very pleased with the coin. The Heritage pictures turn out to be the inaccurate ones in this case.
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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I spoke with John Albanese last Friday. He actually remembered the coin. He explained the message on PCGS (as suspected by another forum member), " The cert is not available for display" is used when a coin is sent to be reholdered as Mr. Laibstain did. As the initial cert was verified by CAC that remains in the CAC database (they remain in the PCGS database as well, they just don't make it available for public display). When the coin was reholdered, that information is maintained by CAC and therefore, although both cert numbers verify at CAC, they are aware there is only one unique coin and hence, pop 1 at CAC

    The coin is very nice. The reverse is virtually MS with full cartwheel luster. Surfaces appear to be close to fully original or at worst, mostly original; could have been lightly dipped at one time. Coin looks very close to the plate coin image on PCGS (25366483). That same plate image was used on HLRC website. The obverse has slightly more wear than the reverse but is still very consistent with a 55 graded Barber. The coin is wonderful. the grading is very conservative; I would hardly disagree with a full 55 grade and am very pleased with the coin. The Heritage pictures turn out to be the inaccurate ones in this case. >>



    Amazing! I am really beginning to wonder when these poor quality pictures is going to come bite heritage in the backside! I thought I had learned to judge their pictures but that 04-S amazes me. If they continue to be inconsistant with their poor photos they will begin to loose their "coach potato customers" after they are burned. They will also begin to loose consignors. That 04-S is an excellent examp[le of a consignor getting the shaft. If that 04-S is as nice as the PCGS pictures I wager if would have brought several thousand more! I have experienced this with heritage and if they are ever going to get consignments from me again they will have to offer a no fee reserve!

    I guess my only unanswered question is why did the coin end up in a new holder with a new cert. number. If it was a reholder it would retain the original cert. number. Only Lawrence could answer this and my only possible explanation(which would be a defense for Heritage) is perhaps the coin developed a light haze from PVC and all it need was a quick bath in acetone?
  • wow what a day in Baltimore !! Just finished dinner with BarberKeys and a couple of his coin buddies from near chicago - they are first class guys and we had a great time. As usual BarberKeys is simply amazing at finding top notch coins - get ready for pics when he returns of 3 superb BQ's 97s,09o and 07 d .-I won't divulge grades. I picked up 5 very nice seated quarters including a 53na. Now for the big question did he buy me dinner - YES he did !! Tomorrow I finally get the chance to see and possibly work out deal on a 71cc VF30 Quarter.
  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    97s and 09o? Cant wait to see them. Congrats on the purchases guys! Sounds like a terrific day.

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Congrats to Vern and Walt for their terrific acquisitions, can't wait to see photos!

    Doug
  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    I hope to see you guys tomorrow at the show. I am only 1 hour away but my work schedule is training from 4am-12nd thenom then 5pm-7 feeding
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    What a terrific afternoon in Baltimore today. Got to attend my first BCCS meeting and really enjoyed meeting Vern, Walt, and Darrell for the first time in addition to some other fine gentlemen. Didn't get to spend as much time walking the floor as Id have liked, but did manage to pick up some nice coins for my raw album and a couple of tougher coins in PC holders. Here is one that will be added to my registry set over the weekend. A nice original XF-40 with a CAC sticker to boot, courtesy of Darrell (amwldcoin).

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    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Got back from Baltimore last night. A very enjoyable trip. Acquired four qtrs and a capped bust dime, but the highlight was getting together with collector friends (new and old), talking with many dealers who I only see once or twice a year, and examining lots of coins. The Barber Coin Collector Society meeting was enjoyable and I met JT for the first time (nice '13, by the way). I highly recommend attending a big show, regardless of whether you have a big coin budget. More to follow.




    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After reading this post about the 01-s quarter on DLRC site, the prior heritage coin.

    I went back and looked its not only selling for a good profit (which I am glad to see, because I have strong money in my PCGS 53) they CAC'd the coin as well.
    jim
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've heard so many wonderful stories about the Baltimore show. Really wish I could have taken part. Can't wait to see all the pix, including the seated 25c.

    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    It killed me being 1 hour away and not being able to make it. But work comes before play. I hopefully will make FUN in January.
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭


    << <i>After reading this post about the 01-s quarter on DLRC site, the prior heritage coin.

    I went back and looked its not only selling for a good profit (which I am glad to see, because I have strong money in my PCGS 53) they CAC'd the coin as well.
    jim >>



    Jim,

    But who would bid 40K on a coin that sold for $32,900 six weeks earlier at Heritage?

    Doug
  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
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    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doug,

    It happens all the time. In fact one of the collectors that you probably met (and know) at the Show who attended the barber collectors meeting friends of VS and Keith and RS used to buy coins right off the dealers right after they bought them out of auction.

    I know of other collectors that wait till there list of dealers get coins on there site, that came straight from a prior auction, then buy them at a new price.

    jim
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was great to meet JKT and glad I was able to put a somewhat tough coin in his collection. He is the Newest member of the Barber club!

    It is always great to chat with Vern! I let him look through some of my collection I am trying to get the Grading Gods to upgrade. My 1st 1 did! My 04-S is now a 55! image I have 12 others in for reconsideration as well as 1 I will be selling.

    The club meeting was great but 58 Quarters had to taint it with a spectacular 72-CC Quarter and the President strayed into penny talk! image

    I thought the Baltimore show was off about 40% to the prior 10 years or so of shows I have attended. We did OK...probably great considering all the worries floating around about the Government,Obamacare,and the Economy.

    LOL on the 01-S quarter...it is no different than the 04-S 1/2 recently discussed! image

  • doug I mailed you pix of the new seated stash, the 72cc is the most amazing coin I have ever had the pleasure of owning. Don't know the rules of this thread so I am not posting anything but barbers.
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doug and Jim, Interesting discussion on the 01-S. I'm thinking like Doug, but I'm sure buyers will do what Jim mentioned too. If I were a dealer, I'd play that hand a little differently. I'd put that coin away for a few years and then list it. There was so much hype about the 01-S's, and many keen eyes agreed that the Pcgs coin was inferior. The point that CAC put its logo on it further cements my feelings about what that is worth.

    So Doug's point about why anyone would drop 8K extra for a coin makes sense to me, and Jim's point that someone probably will is also valid.

    I just checked the Pcgs price guide for 01-S's and it looks like they have adjusted down from the recent auctions.

    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
  • PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭


    << <i>doug I mailed you pix of the new seated stash, the 72cc is the most amazing coin I have ever had the pleasure of owning. Don't know the rules of this thread so I am not posting anything but barbers. >>



    I wouldnt mind making an exception...share the 72cc!
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shocked to see that the 1901-S quarter in AU55 on DLRC was given a sticker from CAC as being "solid for the grade."

    Hopefully the new owner of the coin will be happy with it and buys the coin... not the labels/stickers.
  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    I would like to see the 7 25c as well
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No! I'm not getting older! I just corrected my earlier post where I had the wrong member listed for flaunting a Liberty Seated Quarter at the Barber Club Meeting! image
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO something is not right about the miraculous rise in bidding on the now CAC'd 01-S in 55. Does anybody think that DLRC has a broader auction base than Heritage? I asked John F, at his Baltimore table to view the PC55, but he didn't bring it to the show. Hmmmmmm?????? Since it originally sold at Long Beach, I guess they don't see a need to let potential east coast customers view it in hand.
    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anybody know what the final price was on the 01-s in 55 DLRC, cant find it now?
    Would like to know for reference
  • I will get 72 cc posted later today
  • Sorry about the different sizes - walt

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jesus,

    that is a nice coin

    awesome pick up walt
  • PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    Sweet, seated image Great pickup, thanks for sharing.

    -Now back to the regularly scheduled Barber program!
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>jesus,

    that is a nice coin

    awesome pick up walt >>



    Those pictures do not do the coin justice! It is much nicer in hand! I got a chuckle when Liz was making comments about it being XF!
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Walt, what a great looking coin!

    Jim, a few hours before the end of the auction the 01-S was up to $44,500! I don't know where it closed.

    Doug
  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Walt, Kudos!

    Vern, Agree it is quite telling that the 01-S wasn't at Baltimore for viewing.
    Thanks for the nice 12-S.

    44,500$? I'll bet it goes back up on auction again.

    If it sold over 44k legit, then Doug's is worth 60,000.

    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Walt - Congrats on a great 72-CC. I agree with Darrell, it looks much nicer in hand.

    Jim/Doug - Only $44.5K for that 01-S. Something is rotten in Denmark.

    First of my newps from Balt, care to guess the grade (for those of you who don't already know what PC said)?

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    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • since I know the grade my guess is S for Superb !
  • LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭
    Vern, that 97-S is superb, the latest in a long line of your coins that I covet!

    Doug
  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    I would say Au-63 LOL. 58 my guess
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    I know the grade as well but that is one awesome coin. Now if I could only find one just like it…….

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • AU55 on the 97-s.
  • barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 97-S is in a 50 holder. Could easily be a 55 IMO, but I'd have bought it anyway, tough coin.

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    Another newp from Balt, PC25:

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    Vern
    l
    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    Again, two great pickups Vern. I was kind of shy about saying it in Baltimore but I fwiw I think that your 97 S was under graded. It sure looks to me like a much nicer coin than the PC53 that Heritage recently sold. Doesn't matter the number on the plastic, its a great coin and it was a pleasure to get to see it. And speaking of under graded coins, it was nice to see that Darrell's 04s half got the 55 grade that it deserves.

    Here is the other certified coin that I picked up in Baltimore. I always look for this date (has been discussed recently on this thread), and there it was just sitting there for the taking in the corner of a a case with maybe only one or two other Barbers . I had only seen one other VF through AU 06o in a PCGS holder in a show in the past 18 months or so, and it was not as nice and was being offered at a much higher price. A nice VF to my eyes. PC35

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    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice 06-O, JT.
    More coins, less government.
  • JT - Great meeting you in Baltimore !! You have a very good eye for nice original BQ's - really like your new 06o VF35!!
  • SAM5969SAM5969 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭
    Walt - Amazing pickups - those 2 CC Quarters have to be the thrill of a lifetime image



    << <i> It sure looks to me like a much nicer coin than the PC53 that Heritage recently sold. Doesn't matter the number on the plastic, its a great coin and it was a pleasure to get to see it. >>



    The images of the 04-S/53 from Heritage were not accurate. The plate images on Coin Facts are actually very accurate. All the confusion about this coin from 2 weeks ago led to a phone call with John Albanese who actually remembered viewing this coin as it was seen recently enough for him to personally remember it. I had no idea I was buying the Long Beach coin when I saw it on Harry Laibstain's site. It remains the only AU that CAC has approved (not that I am a big CAC guy) .. take it for what it's worth to you I suppose.

    Yes, I paid the dealer markup and could have saved a Cool G $$$ buying direct from Heritage .. But like the general opinion .. I too disliked the images I saw at Heritage and left it alone.
    Someone apparently saw it at lot viewing and thought differently and got it for thousands below what the previous AU53 coins sold for .. It was only last March that Dave Kahn, Laibstain and Teaparty, sold (or asked) 1904-S halves graded PCGS-53's for $7500-$8500 and $13,000 ..

    By the way, aren't all coins sold by dealers marked up? Is it really any different than people who sell on eBay, shows or at a brick and mortar shop?
    Someone buys a coin. Coin gets marked up. Dealer makes profit and remains in business. Collector is happy.


    1904-S Plate Images at Coin Facts - scroll down to the lone 53 for a more accurate representation
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  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    Thanks guys. Walt, was great to meet you as well. I really don't know much about the Seated Liberty quarter series at all, and when I had a chance to check out your newp at the BCCS meeting, I thought it was a really cool and original quarter. Then I got stuck in traffic on 95 and looked up the 72 cc up on coin facts from my phone…..wow! What a neat coin to have in your collection. Congrats again.

    Picked up some coins today that I had sent to our hosts for grading. This 02o is by far my favorite. I bought this coin out of an album at my favorite LCS months ago, and it was in my raw LOC album until recently, when I decided it would probably be better off in the long run in plastic. The date and grade are nothing special, but this is probably my favorite coin to look at. Its certainly the most eye popping VF Barber quarter I've ever owned and it's truthfully probably the most appealing VF to my eyes that I've seen. I wish that I was more capable of capturing the color on this coin as a photographer, but here are my best efforts for the time being. I have never had a coin TrueViewed, but if I ever do I will start with this one. PC 25.

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    Opinions/comments are certainly welcomed from the gallery as to whether the coin has been cleaned or the toning could possibly somehow artificial. I am accustomed to seeing toning like this on MS and AU Barbers, but certainly not on an original VF. I do believe that this coin is original, but since I haven't run into a VF (or many XF's for that matter) with rainbow toning this nice, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that it had somehow been treated. The coin was in a cardboard 2x2 when purchased out of the LCS's album.

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it, though I know many are skeptical of circ Barbers with colorful toning.

    My 01O quarter is in a similar grade and likewise has colorful toning that I know came from storage, but certainly many might poo-poo it
    as likely having an old cleaning that 'allowed' it tone this way. As stone cold original gray mid-grade 01O quarters are pretty scarce and pricey,
    this one is good enough for me.

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