<< <i>The coin you are referring to has been offered (without any action) on Ebay for $150 BIN. Probably worth about half that due to it's seeming rarity. Methinks you overvalue it. >>
the "rare" one being sold by anotherauctionnut has had its price adjusted from $150 up to $350. I already have two with the major obverse die crack so now I'm just looking for the two
sided monster. I know there is one lurking out there with my name on it...lol ... this is what I call "keeping the faith" , a "true believer" (and optimist )
Is there any that have the die crack on both sides? I know there are some with them on one side or the other but how can that be if only one die was involved?
My question is: are any of these with die cracks on both sides? If not that would mean that there was more than one die with the 006 error , is that not correct?
<< <i>My question is: are any of these with die cracks on both sides? If not that would mean that there was more than one die with the 006 error , is that not correct? >>
Am I understanding?
All coins are struck with 2 dies, obverse & reverse, they are not paired for life and can be changed independently of one another.
The odds of two different working dies having the exact same doubled die are incalculable; and I would say impossible.
Once the master hub is created, it is used to make some test dies that strike sample coins. If there are any problems, the design can be tweaked in the computer and a new master hub created. Once the Mint is satisfied that all is as it should be, the master hub is used to make the appropriate master dies. The remainder of the process remains the same with the master dies being used to create the working hubs, and the working hubs then being used to make the working dies that will be used to strike the coins.
I received my new bank box. Opened a roll that had one of these on the end.....
I have never seen one of these before and try as I might cannot attribute it to any actual doubled die ... will keep researching but....anyone have any ideas?
...and for those that would ask...yes, it is visible without magnification....
<< <i>I received my new bank box. Opened a roll that had one of these on the end.....
I have never seen one of these before and try as I might cannot attribute it to any actual doubled die ... will keep researching but....anyone have any ideas?
...and for those that would ask...yes, it is visible without magnification.... >>
I've only opened two rolls so far but have found a few in each roll. There are also some minor error coins and lesser stage die cracks in the mix...but no 006 double sided die cracks...
I'm guessing that this die crack/break error is new to everyone because no one has chimed in to say otherwise. If that is the case do I get to name it? I think "Crackhead Abe" is too
obvious and disrespectful of the man. "Split personality Abe" probably isn't too good either. How about "Migraine Abe"? Well, I'm not sure....anyone else have any brilliant ideas?
I still haven't been able to identify any ddr that this would have been the final terminal stage to....I looked at Wexler's guide in depth today, reading every description of every stage of every
listed ddr, to no avail. If it is a ddr it is VERY subtle and not easily seen.
<< <i>I'm guessing that this die crack/break error is new to everyone because no one has chimed in to say otherwise. If that is the case do I get to name it? >>
I bought one just like it a couple of years ago. Seller described it as -lightening bolt Abe.
Sorry, not good with pics. Mine starts at rim, above o in 'of' and runs through left cheek. Also, visible without magnification.
Hammer....what you have described is commonly known as "smoking abe" with the die crack from the rim through the O in "of" down through his cheek. This one is of course starting
from the rim through the second S in "states" and dissecting his head down through his eyebrow. I like all of the major die crack varieties but this is the first time I've seen this exact one.
Still open for suggestions of what to name it....so temporarily we'll refer to it as "crackhead abe" until we come up with a better name. The search continues....Keep the faith believers!
Have any of you guys ever been to www.maddieclashes.com? Check it out,it shows a very dramatic 2009d die-clash. Pretty awesome! Anybody have one of these? I don't see it on Wexler's. by the way,it is in the 3RD series of 2009 Bicentennials
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<< <i>Have any of you guys ever been to www.maddieclashes.com? Check it out,it shows a very dramatic 2009d die-clash. Pretty awesome! Anybody have one of these? I don't see it on Wexler's. by the way,it is in the 3RD series of 2009 Bicentennials >>
I'm surprised that good set of LP2's didn't go for more today...4/23 and 4/29. The seller could have done better, but he was way honest about the odds of results. Kudos to integrity!
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I just was just concerned about those boxes as I did not get what I thought in the 3 boxes of each date that I opened and wanted everyone bidding to know what my results were and $10 or $15 dollars extra is not going to change my lifestyle. I sleep better at night that way.
Who's finding/buying what these days? I'm still going through my Crackhead Abe rolls but I'm always looking for something special to pop up on the Bay.
Denver was more quality oriented than Philly I guess. I have not even looked at any Denver rolls because there was nothing even interesting there. As far as filling holes, I do not have any except all the dots and dashes which I do not save anyway. If I keep buying these things I will pretty soon have all I want anyway. I am not trying to catch up with you Papi.
<< <i>Why does Philly equipment produce more die varieties the Denver? >>
It was their turn....after all the Denver mint had the Hi/Low leaf varieties of the Wisconsin quarters plus they have THE number one 2009 District of Columbia doubled die...Philly got
jealous.
I've never thought about if the "S" proofs or the "D" satin finish cents were produced anywhere other than where their mint mark indicates they were produced. I guess I'm not that
analytical. I am trying to piece together a satin finish error subset as I've spoken about previously. That is what I'm talking about when I say I'm looking for something "interesting" to
pop up on the Bay.
<< <i>I'm becoming bored and disinterested talking about who's found what. >>
As Forrest Gump's mama would say..."boring is as boring does"
I'm trying to open the discussion up and include new "believers" in the conversation and the sharing of information. I know for many of us it's old news but it's not for everyone.
It is an interesting question you raise about the possibility of the Proofs and Satin finishes being produced by the Philly mint. Let us know what you find out Papi.
In the meantime....anyone find anything new and interesting in their searches today? Score anything on Ebay?
I found the 2 Proof errors very early on and had them graded but I have found that the satin finishes are badly struck and you cant tell if you have an error or not. There are many fewer of these that will be found as there are not that many that were made in comparison the regular mint runs. Putting together a set of these will not be easy.
PB, I've been lucky with the quality of the satin finish errors. I have seen some poor quality in some sets but the overall quality has been good. It is a challenge to find them at all.
That's the fun though. I only have three of them ( the 005, 007, and 009) to this point out of the 12 known errors. It will be nice to complete the set someday. Hopefully by then PCGS
will be offering variety attribution for them and I can have a graded set.
<< <i>I'm trying to open the discussion up and include new "believers" in the conversation and the sharing of information. >>
Silly me, I should have seen the multitudes of new hits to these postings. >>
It really does not take an expert to tell the difference.
Just look at some of the ones I have listed.
I have 65's, 66's, and 67's that show the difference in full.
The 65's have many more imperfections and spots that the 67's with the 66's in the middle.
I have probably 18 on ebay right now and you can compare them with each other and your own.
ANACS does a great job with their grading.
I have been trying to get our host to come on board for 4 years with no success so went with ANACS and am not sorry as the quality grading speaks for itself and the cost of grading is way better.
Comments
<< <i>The coin you are referring to has been offered (without any action) on Ebay for $150 BIN. Probably worth about half that due to it's seeming rarity. Methinks you overvalue it. >>
Here you go ODNH
WDDR-006 Stage D
Thats the first time I remember them both being on at the same time.
<< <i>That ones $50 and the real rare one $150.
Thats the first time I remember them both being on at the same time. >>
Obviously the Stage E is the last, but who knows how many strikes it took to go from C to D to E
Nonetheless it's a specialist item. Supply and demand, and there is none right now.
I really don't ever see a line forming for mine. I like 'em 'cause I found so few out of the thousands I searched.
However you look at it, it's FAR fewer than ones that are currently being sold by the roll
sided monster. I know there is one lurking out there with my name on it...lol ... this is what I call "keeping the faith" , a "true believer" (and optimist
<< <i>the "rare" one being sold by anotherauctionnut has had its price adjusted from $150 up to $350. >>
Sellers can ask whatever they want doesn't mean it will sell; obviously if it hasn't.
<< <i>I know there are some with them on one side or the other but how can that be if only one die was involved? >>
I'm not sure I understand this question.
<< <i>Is there any that have the die crack on both sides? >>
Lots of coins have cracks, few of which are visible without magnification.
The 006 being the best known, and only, with cracks visible to the naked eye on both sides
The 013, 014, 076 have naked eye reverse cracks
<< <i>My question is: are any of these with die cracks on both sides? If not that would mean that there was more than one die with the 006 error , is that not correct? >>
Am I understanding?
All coins are struck with 2 dies, obverse & reverse, they are not paired for life and can be changed independently of one another.
The odds of two different working dies having the exact same doubled die are incalculable; and I would say impossible.
Once the master hub is created, it is used to make some test dies that strike sample coins. If there are any problems, the design can be tweaked in the computer and a new master hub created. Once the Mint is satisfied that all is as it should be, the master hub is used to make the appropriate master dies. The remainder of the process remains the same with the master dies being used to create the working hubs, and the working hubs then being used to make the working dies that will be used to strike the coins.
<< <i>Thank You Papi, now I understand why the die with the big crack on the front is the one that caused the die to finally break. >>
Yes, that's the crack that caused that die to break, not the Skeleton die
My lates bank box purchase is "out for delivery" today so I'm looking forward to finding several of these double die crack 006's.....
At least let me dream guys..thanks... I'm a "believer" (and optimist)
I have never seen one of these before and try as I might cannot attribute it to any actual doubled die ... will keep researching but....anyone have any ideas?
...and for those that would ask...yes, it is visible without magnification....
Just for comparisons...
<< <i>I received my new bank box. Opened a roll that had one of these on the end.....
I have never seen one of these before and try as I might cannot attribute it to any actual doubled die ... will keep researching but....anyone have any ideas?
...and for those that would ask...yes, it is visible without magnification....
Nice, did you find any more?
<< <i>I like yours better >>
me too!
<< <i>Nice, did you find any more? >>
I've only opened two rolls so far but have found a few in each roll. There are also some minor error coins and lesser stage die cracks in the mix...but no 006 double sided die cracks...
The search will continue tomorrow!
obvious and disrespectful of the man. "Split personality Abe" probably isn't too good either. How about "Migraine Abe"? Well, I'm not sure....anyone else have any brilliant ideas?
I still haven't been able to identify any ddr that this would have been the final terminal stage to....I looked at Wexler's guide in depth today, reading every description of every stage of every
listed ddr, to no avail. If it is a ddr it is VERY subtle and not easily seen.
Later...believers....
How about Splitting Headache?
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.<< <i>I'm guessing that this die crack/break error is new to everyone because no one has chimed in to say otherwise. If that is the case do I get to name it? >>
I bought one just like it a couple of years ago. Seller described it as -lightening bolt Abe.
Sorry, not good with pics. Mine starts at rim, above o in 'of' and runs through left cheek. Also, visible without magnification.
from the rim through the second S in "states" and dissecting his head down through his eyebrow. I like all of the major die crack varieties but this is the first time I've seen this exact one.
Still open for suggestions of what to name it....so temporarily we'll refer to it as "crackhead abe" until we come up with a better name. The search continues....Keep the faith believers!
<< <i>so temporarily we'll refer to it as "crackhead abe" >>
I think it's great !
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<< <i>Happy 2009 DDR day, I mean Easter , to all of you diehard DDR fans >>
To you and your family as well!
<< <i>I spent way to much on ebay this weekend on FY WDDRs. Had a great time doing it, can't wait to get all the coins >>
I have had many of those days in the last year on these coins so I know the feeling.
<< <i>but I'm always looking for something special to pop up on the Bay. >>
<< <i>unless I see something that I can just not refuse. >>
Like what? Other than the Skeleton Crack, what holes are you looking to fill, if any?
I'm becoming bored and disinterested talking about who's found what.
How about some analysis?
Has anyone else found it interesting that there's only four "D" double dies from the LP2s, none of which is worth the look.
But there are 12 Satin Finish "D" dies; all of which resemble business strike DDRs from Philadelphia.
Were the SF "D", and the proof "S" dies made in Philly? If so why? If not, why no business strike varieties from Denver?
Why does Philly equipment produce more die varieties the Denver?
Where's the investigative team here? Start digging!
<< <i>I am not trying to catch up with you Papi. >>
Didn't occur to me that you were. Knock your socks off !
<< <i>Denver was more quality oriented than Philly I guess. >>
Then they became sloppy on the SF coins? Doesn't follow for me. And what about proof coins?
There's something that we don't know, that I want to.
<< <i>As far as filling holes, I do not have any except all the dots and dashes which I do not save anyway. >>
Really, you have all 101 varieties?
I can not even see about half of them and when I do see some of them I just throw them in with the discards.
I cant believe people are saving those things, it is not even worth the trouble to try to sell them.
I am selling nothing but graded coins now.
I may not sell as many but at least it makes it worthwhile when I do.
Just keep listing them for free with ebay and if they sell then they sell.
<< <i>Why does Philly equipment produce more die varieties the Denver? >>
It was their turn....after all the Denver mint had the Hi/Low leaf varieties of the Wisconsin quarters plus they have THE number one 2009 District of Columbia doubled die...Philly got
jealous.
I've never thought about if the "S" proofs or the "D" satin finish cents were produced anywhere other than where their mint mark indicates they were produced. I guess I'm not that
analytical. I am trying to piece together a satin finish error subset as I've spoken about previously. That is what I'm talking about when I say I'm looking for something "interesting" to
pop up on the Bay.
<< <i>I'm becoming bored and disinterested talking about who's found what. >>
As Forrest Gump's mama would say..."boring is as boring does"
I'm trying to open the discussion up and include new "believers" in the conversation and the sharing of information. I know for many of us it's old news but it's not for everyone.
It is an interesting question you raise about the possibility of the Proofs and Satin finishes being produced by the Philly mint. Let us know what you find out Papi.
In the meantime....anyone find anything new and interesting in their searches today? Score anything on Ebay?
<< <i>As Forrest Gump's mama would say..."boring is as boring does"
I'm trying to open the discussion up and include new "believers" in the conversation and the sharing of information. >>
Silly me, I should have seen the multitudes of new hits to these postings.
That's the fun though. I only have three of them ( the 005, 007, and 009) to this point out of the 12 known errors. It will be nice to complete the set someday. Hopefully by then PCGS
will be offering variety attribution for them and I can have a graded set.
<< <i>I'm trying to open the discussion up and include new "believers" in the conversation and the sharing of information. >>
Silly me, I should have seen the multitudes of new hits to these postings.
>>
<< <i>Our host is not in any hurry to grade these things and will not do so at least until CPG says they are errors. >>
Do we really need the attribution number on a PCGS label? A 67 is still a 67
<< <i>Do we really need the attribution number on a PCGS label? A 67 is still a 67 >>
True Papi, however it obviously would add both value and legitimacy to the errors themselves. Does anyone dispute the power of the label?
<< <i>True Papi, however it obviously would add both value and legitimacy to the errors themselves. Does anyone dispute the power of the label? >>
When I look at a label, the first thing I see is the grade; the number.
Legitimacy? They exist because they do, not because the host says so.
It's a "Skeleton Finger" no matter what the label says or doesn't say.
So why do we need to pay them $24 for something we already know.
These are easily distinguishable from each other and don't require any expert to tell one from another.
Just look at some of the ones I have listed.
I have 65's, 66's, and 67's that show the difference in full.
The 65's have many more imperfections and spots that the 67's with the 66's in the middle.
I have probably 18 on ebay right now and you can compare them with each other and your own.
ANACS does a great job with their grading.
I have been trying to get our host to come on board for 4 years with no success so went with ANACS and am not sorry as the quality grading speaks for itself and the cost of grading is way better.