<< <i>We're talking about PBGS on the handling and processing of the orders, right? Does anyone remember the non-FIFO way that the UHR orders were processed? There were tons of late orders that were processed and delivered long before many of the early orders (including my early order). That was for a "mint to demand" issue. These SAEs are sold out, but here's a wild thought - what's to prevent them (PBGS) from digging into the waitlist orders and processing some of them before the confirmed orders? Are there any checks in the system that would prevent this? They don't seem to be following any order again in the processing...again. Could a major brouhaha be in the making? >>
I remember that all to well. I believe I placed my order like two or three days late and was one of the first to get one though I had to wait for the book.
<< <i>Only the two new "money" coins are first strike eligible. The remaining three coins in the set were released individually more than 30 days ago. >>
What are you basing that on? In the past two instances of Eagle Anniversary sets, regardless on whether some of the coins in the set had been released earlier in the year (which was the case in both the gold and silver eagle 20th anniversary sets in 2006 and the platinum eagle 10th anniversary set in 2007), all the coins in the set were eligible for the 'First Strike' and 'Anniversary Set' pedigree if the set was shipped from the Mint within 30 days of being released and remained sealed. Once the set was opened only the coins unique to the set were eligible for the 'First Strike Anniversary Set' designation. Why should it be any different this time? It's also worth mentioning PCGS has already posted 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' coin numbers for all the coins in the 25th anniversary silver eagle set. >>
<< <i>It's also worth mentioning PCGS has already posted 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' coin numbers for all the coins in the 25th anniversary silver eagle set. >>
The only first strike numbers I see on the site are for the no mint mark bullion coin and the S mint MS coin. The others are for 25th anniversary only.
505220 2011 $1 Eagle-25th Anniversary MS 505253 2011 $1 Eagle-25th Anniversary First Strike MS 509185 2011 $1 Silver Eagle 25th Anniversary Set MS 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle 25th Anniv. Set - First Strike MS 509191 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle 25th Anniversary Set PRDC 509192 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR 25th Anniversary Set PR
What is missing altogether, though, is the number for the W mint mark MS coin, 1st strike or 25th anniversary unless it is coin number 509185 since that number and number 505220 have the same description.
<< <i>you're referring to the "First Released" label. >>
I guess that answers my question. There is no good reason why all the coins from the silver eagle 25th Anniversary set won't be eligible for the 'First Strike 25th Anniversary Set' pedigree if shipped within 30 days and the set remains sealed, just like the past Eagle anniversary sets were handled.
In the past PCGS has posted the submission guidelines once the sets have begun shipping, so they can determine what the First Strike cutoff will be.
First Strike was not offered on earlier set coins, only on similar anniversary coins when they were offered individually before the sets were released. I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Besides, when I asked PCGS about this on the phone I was told First Strike only for the two unique coins in the 5 coin set.
I agree, PCGS needs to publish specific guidelines on submitting this special set for grading. I suggested that when I spoke to them and have PM'd the man with the same request.
Something like this leaves few questions unanswered.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>First Strike was not offered on earlier set coins, only on similar anniversary coins when they were offered individually before the sets were released. I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Besides, when I asked PCGS about this on the phone I was told First Strike only for the two unique coins in the 5 coin set.
I agree, PCGS needs to publish specific guidelines on submitting this special set for grading. I suggested that when I spoke to them and have PM'd the man with the same request.
Something like this leaves few questions unanswered. >>
<< <i>First Strike was not offered on earlier set coins, only on similar anniversary coins when they were offered individually before the sets were released. I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Besides, when I asked PCGS about this on the phone I was told First Strike only for the two unique coins in the 5 coin set.
I agree, PCGS needs to publish specific guidelines on submitting this special set for grading. I suggested that when I spoke to them and have PM'd the man with the same request.
Something like this leaves few questions unanswered. >>
What don't you get exactly? You already posted on NGC about this and your questions were answered.
I Know we got 1st strike on the Reg Proof in 20th set. But it needed to be in the box not open That was the key to geting 1st Strike on that coin back then...
At the rate the mint is going thru orders, confirming credit, looking for subterfuge, cons, contrivances, devices, dodges, gambits, gimmicks, maneuvers, plays, ploys, rackets, ruses, scams, stratagems and downright illegal tactics by order submitters, I would not surprise me that it takes until 11/10/11 to sort this mess out.
Also, the mint is probably earth googling each address and looking at your house.
<< <i>I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. >>
Now I have seen one, thanks. I don't collect platinum, didn't know they did it differently than the previous year's gold and eagle anniversary sets (2006) which were not graded by PCGS with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Again, there is a difference between a label that says 20th Anniversary and one that says 20th Anniversary Set. The flaw in that method allowed seller to build perfect anniversary sets with previously graded coins that were released individually before the sets were issued. Adding the word "set" to the label reduces the number of possible perfect sets thus making them more valuable.
If you look at the serial numbers in the 20th Anniversary silver "set" picture by Vann you will see a spread that indicates a possibility that two of the coins didn't come from an actual set. To myself and some collectors this is important.
How PCGS is going to present this new label remains unknown. What is known is that they have stated on the telephone that First Strike will only be available on the two unique coins of the set.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>You already posted on NGC about this and your questions were answered. >>
My questions about NGC submissions were asked and answered there.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. >>
Now I have seen one. Don't collect platinum, didn't know they did it differently than the previous year's gold and eagle anniversary sets (2006) which were not released with both a First Strike and a Anniversary Set label. Again, there is a difference between a label that says 20th Anniversary and one that says 20th Anniversary Set. >>
Not to confuse the issue, the question that matters to those looking to have their 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle sets graded by PCGS is whether ALL the coins of the set will be eligible for the 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label. By all prior indications of the way PCGS has handled Eagle anniversary sets, that answer seems to be YES, if they are shipped from the Mint within 30 days of the anniversary set release and the set remains sealed. I have yet to hear a reason why it would be otherwise.
Since PCGS has designated the 2011 Silver Eagle business strike bullion coin released in January with a 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label, my guess is PCGS will designate all the coins from the 25th Anniversary Set that arrive in a sealed box with a '25th Anniversary Set label to differentiate the 25th Anniversary Set coins from the coins that were released earlier in the year, which is exactly how the 10th Anniversary Platinum Eagle sets were handled by PCGS.
<< <i>I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. >>
Now I have seen one. Don't collect platinum, didn't know they did it differently than the previous year's gold and eagle anniversary sets (2006) which were not released with both a First Strike and a Anniversary Set label. Again, there is a difference between a label that says 20th Anniversary and one that says 20th Anniversary Set. >>
Not to confuse the issue, the question that matters to those looking to have their 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle sets graded by PCGS is whether ALL the coins of the set will be eligible for the 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label. By all prior indications of the way PCGS has handled Eagle anniversary sets, that answer seems to be YES, if they are shipped from the Mint within 30 days of the anniversary set release and the set remains sealed. I have yet to hear a reason why it would be otherwise. Since PCGS has designated the 2011 Silver Eagle business strike bullion coin released in January with a 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label, my guess is PCGS will designate all the coins from the 25th Anniversary Set that arrive in a sealed box with a '25th Anniversary Set label to differentiate the 25th Anniversary Set coins from the coins that were released earlier in the year, which is exactly how the 10th Anniversary Platinum Eagle sets were handled by PCGS. >>
The issue remains confusing until it comes strait from the horse's mouth. I believe at least one othe member has posted to this thread that he was also told by PCGS that only two of the coins are eligible for First Strike. If that is in fact the way they will do it, I can only assume that it is because they realize the other three coins are no different than earlier individual release by the mint. The question is "if they released a W proof three months ago and then release the same coin again in different packaging, does the First Strike clock for it get reset?"
Hopefully they will enlighten all of us.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
I placed 5 orders from the Mint. I got my first order in at 12:11 Eastern and my last order in 1:31 (whew!) As others have pointed out, many people on eBay are not stating if the sets they are selling were in 1 order or multiple orders, so the buyer does not know if they will be getting a sealed set or an open one. Of course, many buyers may not realize the significance of the sets being open! I have seen a couple of sellers point out that their sets were ordered in a single order and they will have to open the box to send out single sets. I am glad to see at least a few people state this in their ad, however I do wish they would also explain that these sets will not be eligible for the 25th Anniversary label (at least, not all of the coins). To me, that is an important point!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick, I am anxious to get them sent off and graded! Not sure if I will do all 5 sets though. What is the opinion of this group? I am definitely going to do one (the one I keep for myself). I may do another one that I plan to give as a Christmas present. Could I pick the best coins out the sets I have graded to make the best possible complete set or would this mess up the registry numbers? I am new to coin grading as well so I am not very knowledge about the overall process yet!
FYI - I am not one of the pre-sellers on eBay. I will wait until I have the coins "in hand"
Thanks! Z47Collector
He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. ~ Douglas Adams
<< <i>I have 5 orders, all completed before 3:10 Eastern:
38331xxx - In Process 38349xxx - On Hold 38353xxx - On Hold 38353xxx - On Hold 38358xxx - On Hold >>
Interesting, based on the info you provided, your last order, 38358XXX was ordered at least 3 hours after I placed my order and my order number was 3838XXXX
<< <i>Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
I placed 5 orders from the Mint. I got my first order in at 12:11 Eastern and my last order in 1:31 (whew!) As others have pointed out, many people on eBay are not stating if the sets they are selling were in 1 order or multiple orders, so the buyer does not know if they will be getting a sealed set or an open one. Of course, many buyers may not realize the significance of the sets being open! I have seen a couple of sellers point out that their sets were ordered in a single order and they will have to open the box to send out single sets. I am glad to see at least a few people state this in their ad, however I do wish they would also explain that these sets will not be eligible for the 25th Anniversary label (at least, not all of the coins). To me, that is an important point!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick, I am anxious to get them sent off and graded! Not sure if I will do all 5 sets though. What is the opinion of this group? I am definitely going to do one (the one I keep for myself). I may do another one that I plan to give as a Christmas present. Could I pick the best coins out the sets I have graded to make the best possible complete set or would this mess up the registry numbers? I am new to coin grading as well so I am not very knowledge about the overall process yet!
FYI - I am not one of the pre-sellers on eBay. I will wait until I have the coins "in hand"
Thanks! Z47Collector
>>
When it comes to ebay buying "let the buyer beware." Congratulations on getting all five sets via five separate orders. that's a pretty good accomplishment given the chaos. I would suggest however many of the sets you submit for grading that you do it on one sumbission form. That will save you money but more importantly give you closely grouped serial numbers. The advantage to this is building sets from the results where the coins obviously all came from the same order/submission. Nothing wrong with taking all the graded pieces and making your own puzzle. Keep in mind the more pieces you have the better the resulting puzzles. It's safe to assume that a set of 70s will have the most value. For remaining sets that don't have like grades two options: buy indivdual graded coins to build a complete set or just sell off the 5 coins individually. For this reason there will be a good aftermarket in graded, individual coins.
Right now the future price are all speculation. The one thing you can do is position yourself where you thing the value will be. Will individually sealed sets bring more money than graded 69 sets? probably. But graded 70 sets should bring much more than a sealed set. Also the two graded "money" coins will bring good money on their own. The more of them you have graded the better your odds of a 70.
Good luck.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick"
Thanks! Z47Collector
>>
Don't need to pay the exorbitant expedited shipping fee. Here is the Mint's policy:
"Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to Expedited Shipping. Gift Wrap and Shipping and Handling charges are not considered part of the Merchandise total. "
<< <i>Don't need to pay the exorbitant expedited shipping fee. Here is the Mint's policy: "Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to Expedited Shipping. Gift Wrap and Shipping and Handling charges are not considered part of the Merchandise total. " >>
That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Will individually sealed sets bring more money than graded 69 sets? probably. But graded 70 sets should bring much more than a sealed set. Also the two graded "money" coins will bring good money on their own. The more of them you have graded the better your odds of a 70.
Good luck. >>
Maybe down the road a sealed set (1) might bring a premium over a 69 graded set. Having a little trouble with that though based on how many grade.
<< <i>Don't need to pay the exorbitant expedited shipping fee. Here is the Mint's policy: "Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to Expedited Shipping. Gift Wrap and Shipping and Handling charges are not considered part of the Merchandise total. " >>
That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call. >>
That was my fear. I was not sure if I would get bumped up to expedited for free since I did separate orders and each was for less than $300
He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. ~ Douglas Adams
Earlier reports that the uncirculated bullion coin was being minted in Denver were incorrect. The author of the article that made this statement has corrected his error.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i><< I have 5 orders, all completed before 3:10 Eastern: 38331xxx - In Process 38349xxx - On Hold 38353xxx - On Hold 38353xxx - On Hold 38358xxx - On Hold >> Interesting, based on the info you provided, your last order, 38358XXX was ordered at least 3 hours after I placed my order and my order number was 3838XXXX >>
My numbers and times are correct. All were completed before 12:10 Pacific, which is 3:10 Eastern.
<< <i>That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call. >>
According to the Mint, I am getting "complementary expedited shipping" on my single set.
<< <i>For the ATB puck that were just under $300, the mint bumped them up to expedited shipping for free. >>
Good to know. I may call the Mint to see if they will refund the extra shipping fees >>
I wouldn't want their fingers on the keyboard while they were looking at an account right now. You might consider waiting until they ship.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call. >>
According to the Mint, I am getting "complementary expedited shipping" on my single set. >>
<< <i>Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
I placed 5 orders from the Mint. I got my first order in at 12:11 Eastern and my last order in 1:31 (whew!) As others have pointed out, many people on eBay are not stating if the sets they are selling were in 1 order or multiple orders, so the buyer does not know if they will be getting a sealed set or an open one. Of course, many buyers may not realize the significance of the sets being open! I have seen a couple of sellers point out that their sets were ordered in a single order and they will have to open the box to send out single sets. I am glad to see at least a few people state this in their ad, however I do wish they would also explain that these sets will not be eligible for the 25th Anniversary label (at least, not all of the coins). To me, that is an important point!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick, I am anxious to get them sent off and graded! Not sure if I will do all 5 sets though. What is the opinion of this group? I am definitely going to do one (the one I keep for myself). I may do another one that I plan to give as a Christmas present. Could I pick the best coins out the sets I have graded to make the best possible complete set or would this mess up the registry numbers? I am new to coin grading as well so I am not very knowledge about the overall process yet!
FYI - I am not one of the pre-sellers on eBay. I will wait until I have the coins "in hand"
Thanks! Z47Collector
>>
When it comes to ebay buying "let the buyer beware." Congratulations on getting all five sets via five separate orders. that's a pretty good accomplishment given the chaos. I would suggest however many of the sets you submit for grading that you do it on one sumbission form. That will save you money but more importantly give you closely grouped serial numbers. The advantage to this is building sets from the results where the coins obviously all came from the same order/submission. Nothing wrong with taking all the graded pieces and making your own puzzle. Keep in mind the more pieces you have the better the resulting puzzles. It's safe to assume that a set of 70s will have the most value. For remaining sets that don't have like grades two options: buy indivdual graded coins to build a complete set or just sell off the 5 coins individually. For this reason there will be a good aftermarket in graded, individual coins.
Right now the future price are all speculation. The one thing you can do is position yourself where you thing the value will be. Will individually sealed sets bring more money than graded 69 sets? probably. But graded 70 sets should bring much more than a sealed set. Also the two graded "money" coins will bring good money on their own. The more of them you have graded the better your odds of a 70.
Good luck. >>
Very good advice. Thanks for the knowledge.
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My order for 5 sets just went from "on hold" to "in process"...
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I just logged into my Mint account. It took about a minute to get in - everything was really slow like on ordering day. When the page finally opened, this is what it said:
There are no orders found
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
I've resisted going in there every 5 mins like some here. I checked earlier today & they were all in process. Now they're all gone?? My worst nightmare.
I hope you're right.
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<< <i>I've resisted going in there every 5 mins like some here. I checked earlier today & they were all in process. Now they're all gone?? My worst nightmare.
I hope you're right. >>
What would folks be checking more frequently? Their order status for these or their submission status for these?
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<< <i>We're talking about PBGS on the handling and processing of the orders, right? Does anyone remember the non-FIFO way that the UHR orders were processed? There were tons of late orders that were processed and delivered long before many of the early orders (including my early order). That was for a "mint to demand" issue. These SAEs are sold out, but here's a wild thought - what's to prevent them (PBGS) from digging into the waitlist orders and processing some of them before the confirmed orders? Are there any checks in the system that would prevent this? They don't seem to be following any order again in the processing...again. Could a major brouhaha be in the making? >>
I remember that all to well. I believe I placed my order like two or three days late and was one of the first to get one
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<< <i>Only the two new "money" coins are first strike eligible. The remaining three coins in the set were released individually more than 30 days ago. >>
What are you basing that on? In the past two instances of Eagle Anniversary sets, regardless on whether some of the coins in the set had been released earlier in the year (which was the case in both the gold and silver eagle 20th anniversary sets in 2006 and the platinum eagle 10th anniversary set in 2007), all the coins in the set were eligible for the 'First Strike' and 'Anniversary Set' pedigree if the set was shipped from the Mint within 30 days of being released and remained sealed. Once the set was opened only the coins unique to the set were eligible for the 'First Strike Anniversary Set' designation. Why should it be any different this time? It's also worth mentioning PCGS has already posted 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' coin numbers for all the coins in the 25th anniversary silver eagle set. >>
Vann,
Where are the coin numbers posted?
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<< <i>It's also worth mentioning PCGS has already posted 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' coin numbers for all the coins in the 25th anniversary silver eagle set. >>
The only first strike numbers I see on the site are for the no mint mark bullion coin and the S mint MS coin.
The others are for 25th anniversary only.
505220 2011 $1 Eagle-25th Anniversary MS
505253 2011 $1 Eagle-25th Anniversary First Strike MS
509185 2011 $1 Silver Eagle 25th Anniversary Set MS
509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle 25th Anniv. Set - First Strike MS
509191 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle 25th Anniversary Set PRDC
509192 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR 25th Anniversary Set PR
What is missing altogether, though, is the number for the W mint mark MS coin, 1st strike or 25th anniversary
unless it is coin number 509185 since that number and number 505220 have the same description.
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<< <i>you're referring to the "First Released" label.
I guess that answers my question. There is no good reason why all the coins from the silver eagle 25th Anniversary set won't be eligible for the 'First Strike 25th Anniversary Set' pedigree if shipped within 30 days and the set remains sealed, just like the past Eagle anniversary sets were handled.
In the past PCGS has posted the submission guidelines once the sets have begun shipping, so they can determine what the First Strike cutoff will be.
38331xxx - In Process
38349xxx - On Hold
38353xxx - On Hold
38353xxx - On Hold
38358xxx - On Hold
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I agree, PCGS needs to publish specific guidelines on submitting this special set for grading. I suggested that when I spoke to them and have PM'd the man with the same request.
Something like this leaves few questions unanswered.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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<< <i>First Strike was not offered on earlier set coins, only on similar anniversary coins when they were offered individually before the sets were released. I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Besides, when I asked PCGS about this on the phone I was told First Strike only for the two unique coins in the 5 coin set.
I agree, PCGS needs to publish specific guidelines on submitting this special set for grading. I suggested that when I spoke to them and have PM'd the man with the same request.
Something like this leaves few questions unanswered. >>
I guess PCGS must not have any clue about the Anniversary Set First Strike guidelines posted on their website and these must be Chinese fakes:
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<< <i>First Strike was not offered on earlier set coins, only on similar anniversary coins when they were offered individually before the sets were released. I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Besides, when I asked PCGS about this on the phone I was told First Strike only for the two unique coins in the 5 coin set.
I agree, PCGS needs to publish specific guidelines on submitting this special set for grading. I suggested that when I spoke to them and have PM'd the man with the same request.
Something like this leaves few questions unanswered. >>
What don't you get exactly? You already posted on NGC about this and your questions were answered.
Hoard the keys.
Also, the mint is probably earth googling each address and looking at your house.
<< <i>Also, the mint is probably earth googling each address and looking at your house. >>
<< <i>I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. >>
Now I have seen one, thanks. I don't collect platinum, didn't know they did it differently than the previous year's gold and eagle anniversary sets (2006) which were not graded by PCGS with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. Again, there is a difference between a label that says 20th Anniversary and one that says 20th Anniversary Set. The flaw in that method allowed seller to build perfect anniversary sets with previously graded coins that were released individually before the sets were issued. Adding the word "set" to the label reduces the number of possible perfect sets thus making them more valuable.
If you look at the serial numbers in the 20th Anniversary silver "set" picture by Vann you will see a spread that indicates a possibility that two of the coins didn't come from an actual set. To myself and some collectors this is important.
How PCGS is going to present this new label remains unknown. What is known is that they have stated on the telephone that First Strike will only be available on the two unique coins of the set.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>You already posted on NGC about this and your questions were answered. >>
My questions about NGC submissions were asked and answered there.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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<< <i>I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. >>
Now I have seen one. Don't collect platinum, didn't know they did it differently than the previous year's gold and eagle anniversary sets (2006) which were not released with both a First Strike and a Anniversary Set label. Again, there is a difference between a label that says 20th Anniversary and one that says 20th Anniversary Set. >>
Not to confuse the issue, the question that matters to those looking to have their 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle sets graded by PCGS is whether ALL the coins of the set will be eligible for the 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label. By all prior indications of the way PCGS has handled Eagle anniversary sets, that answer seems to be YES, if they are shipped from the Mint within 30 days of the anniversary set release and the set remains sealed. I have yet to hear a reason why it would be otherwise.
Since PCGS has designated the 2011 Silver Eagle business strike bullion coin released in January with a 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label, my guess is PCGS will designate all the coins from the 25th Anniversary Set that arrive in a sealed box with a '25th Anniversary Set label to differentiate the 25th Anniversary Set coins from the coins that were released earlier in the year, which is exactly how the 10th Anniversary Platinum Eagle sets were handled by PCGS.
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<< <i>I have yet to see an eagle with both a First Strike and an Anniversary Set label. >>
Now I have seen one. Don't collect platinum, didn't know they did it differently than the previous year's gold and eagle anniversary sets (2006) which were not released with both a First Strike and a Anniversary Set label. Again, there is a difference between a label that says 20th Anniversary and one that says 20th Anniversary Set. >>
Not to confuse the issue, the question that matters to those looking to have their 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle sets graded by PCGS is whether ALL the coins of the set will be eligible for the 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label. By all prior indications of the way PCGS has handled Eagle anniversary sets, that answer seems to be YES, if they are shipped from the Mint within 30 days of the anniversary set release and the set remains sealed. I have yet to hear a reason why it would be otherwise. Since PCGS has designated the 2011 Silver Eagle business strike bullion coin released in January with a 'First Strike 25th Anniversary' label, my guess is PCGS will designate all the coins from the 25th Anniversary Set that arrive in a sealed box with a '25th Anniversary Set label to differentiate the 25th Anniversary Set coins from the coins that were released earlier in the year, which is exactly how the 10th Anniversary Platinum Eagle sets were handled by PCGS. >>
The issue remains confusing until it comes strait from the horse's mouth. I believe at least one othe member has posted to this thread that he was also told by PCGS that only two of the coins are eligible for First Strike. If that is in fact the way they will do it, I can only assume that it is because they realize the other three coins are no different than earlier individual release by the mint. The question is "if they released a W proof three months ago and then release the same coin again in different packaging, does the First Strike clock for it get reset?"
Hopefully they will enlighten all of us.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
I placed 5 orders from the Mint. I got my first order in at 12:11 Eastern and my last order in 1:31 (whew!) As others have pointed out, many people on eBay are not stating if the sets they are selling were in 1 order or multiple orders, so the buyer does not know if they will be getting a sealed set or an open one. Of course, many buyers may not realize the significance of the sets being open! I have seen a couple of sellers point out that their sets were ordered in a single order and they will have to open the box to send out single sets. I am glad to see at least a few people state this in their ad, however I do wish they would also explain that these sets will not be eligible for the 25th Anniversary label (at least, not all of the coins). To me, that is an important point!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick, I am anxious to get them sent off and graded! Not sure if I will do all 5 sets though. What is the opinion of this group? I am definitely going to do one (the one I keep for myself). I may do another one that I plan to give as a Christmas present. Could I pick the best coins out the sets I have graded to make the best possible complete set or would this mess up the registry numbers? I am new to coin grading as well so I am not very knowledge about the overall process yet!
FYI - I am not one of the pre-sellers on eBay. I will wait until I have the coins "in hand"
Thanks!
Z47Collector
<< <i>I have 5 orders, all completed before 3:10 Eastern:
38331xxx - In Process
38349xxx - On Hold
38353xxx - On Hold
38353xxx - On Hold
38358xxx - On Hold >>
Interesting, based on the info you provided, your last order, 38358XXX was ordered at least 3 hours after I placed my order and my order number was 3838XXXX
<< <i>Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
I placed 5 orders from the Mint. I got my first order in at 12:11 Eastern and my last order in 1:31 (whew!) As others have pointed out, many people on eBay are not stating if the sets they are selling were in 1 order or multiple orders, so the buyer does not know if they will be getting a sealed set or an open one. Of course, many buyers may not realize the significance of the sets being open! I have seen a couple of sellers point out that their sets were ordered in a single order and they will have to open the box to send out single sets. I am glad to see at least a few people state this in their ad, however I do wish they would also explain that these sets will not be eligible for the 25th Anniversary label (at least, not all of the coins). To me, that is an important point!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick, I am anxious to get them sent off and graded! Not sure if I will do all 5 sets though. What is the opinion of this group? I am definitely going to do one (the one I keep for myself). I may do another one that I plan to give as a Christmas present. Could I pick the best coins out the sets I have graded to make the best possible complete set or would this mess up the registry numbers? I am new to coin grading as well so I am not very knowledge about the overall process yet!
FYI - I am not one of the pre-sellers on eBay. I will wait until I have the coins "in hand"
Thanks!
Z47Collector
When it comes to ebay buying "let the buyer beware."
Congratulations on getting all five sets via five separate orders. that's a pretty good accomplishment given the chaos.
I would suggest however many of the sets you submit for grading that you do it on one sumbission form. That will save you money but more importantly give you closely grouped serial numbers. The advantage to this is building sets from the results where the coins obviously all came from the same order/submission. Nothing wrong with taking all the graded pieces and making your own puzzle. Keep in mind the more pieces you have the better the resulting puzzles. It's safe to assume that a set of 70s will have the most value. For remaining sets that don't have like grades two options: buy indivdual graded coins to build a complete set or just sell off the 5 coins individually. For this reason there will be a good aftermarket in graded, individual coins.
Right now the future price are all speculation. The one thing you can do is position yourself where you thing the value will be. Will individually sealed sets bring more money than graded 69 sets? probably. But graded 70 sets should bring much more than a sealed set. Also the two graded "money" coins will bring good money on their own. The more of them you have graded the better your odds of a 70.
Good luck.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick"
Thanks!
Z47Collector
Don't need to pay the exorbitant expedited shipping fee. Here is the Mint's policy:
"Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to Expedited Shipping. Gift Wrap and Shipping and Handling charges are not considered part of the Merchandise total. "
<< <i>Don't need to pay the exorbitant expedited shipping fee. Here is the Mint's policy:
"Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to Expedited Shipping. Gift Wrap and Shipping and Handling charges are not considered part of the Merchandise total. " >>
That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
$1,500 eBay sale
WOW!
Z47Collector
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Will individually sealed sets bring more money than graded 69 sets? probably. But graded 70 sets should bring much more than a sealed set. Also the two graded "money" coins will bring good money on their own. The more of them you have graded the better your odds of a 70.
Good luck. >>
Maybe down the road a sealed set (1) might bring a premium over a 69 graded set. Having a little trouble with that though based on how many grade.
Agreed that 70's will be the bomb.
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<< <i>Don't need to pay the exorbitant expedited shipping fee. Here is the Mint's policy:
"Orders with Merchandise valued at $300 or more with a standard delivery option chosen will receive a complimentary upgrade to Expedited Shipping. Gift Wrap and Shipping and Handling charges are not considered part of the Merchandise total. " >>
That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call. >>
That was my fear. I was not sure if I would get bumped up to expedited for free since I did separate orders and each was for less than $300
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i><< I have 5 orders, all completed before 3:10 Eastern: 38331xxx - In Process 38349xxx - On Hold 38353xxx - On Hold 38353xxx - On Hold 38358xxx - On Hold >> Interesting, based on the info you provided, your last order, 38358XXX was ordered at least 3 hours after I placed my order and my order number was 3838XXXX >>
My numbers and times are correct. All were completed before 12:10 Pacific, which is 3:10 Eastern.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
38326xxx
38330xxx
38331xxx
38338xxx
38339xxx
As of tonight, they all have an expected ship date of 11/15.
<< <i>For the ATB puck that were just under $300, the mint bumped them up to expedited shipping for free. >>
Good to know. I may call the Mint to see if they will refund the extra shipping fees
<< <i>That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call. >>
According to the Mint, I am getting "complementary expedited shipping" on my single set.
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<< <i>For the ATB puck that were just under $300, the mint bumped them up to expedited shipping for free. >>
Good to know. I may call the Mint to see if they will refund the extra shipping fees >>
I wouldn't want their fingers on the keyboard while they were looking at an account right now. You might consider waiting until they ship.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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<< <i>For the ATB puck that were just under $300, the mint bumped them up to expedited shipping for free. >>
Good to know. I may call the Mint to see if they will refund the extra shipping fees >>
I wouldn't want their fingers on the keyboard while they were looking at an account right now. You might consider waiting until they ship. >>
Good point!
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<< <i>That's a good point. However, those that ordered seperately at 299.95 each were under the impression from the mint's website that they had to pay the higher fee to get expedited shipping. Some that have posted here have stated that the mint is honoring the free expedited shipping with single set purchases. if true, hopefully they won't charge the additional fee when they hit the buyer's credit card and if they do, hopefully they will refund it upon a phone call. >>
According to the Mint, I am getting "complementary expedited shipping" on my single set. >>
Did you get an email or call?
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<< <i>For the ATB puck that were just under $300, the mint bumped them up to expedited shipping for free. >>
Good to know. I may call the Mint to see if they will refund the extra shipping fees >>
I wouldn't want their fingers on the keyboard while they were looking at an account right now. You might consider waiting until they ship. >>
I'm there. LEAVE well enough alone !! Exceptional individual.
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<< <i>Hello. I am new to this forum, it appears to have a lot of great dialogue!
I placed 5 orders from the Mint. I got my first order in at 12:11 Eastern and my last order in 1:31 (whew!) As others have pointed out, many people on eBay are not stating if the sets they are selling were in 1 order or multiple orders, so the buyer does not know if they will be getting a sealed set or an open one. Of course, many buyers may not realize the significance of the sets being open! I have seen a couple of sellers point out that their sets were ordered in a single order and they will have to open the box to send out single sets. I am glad to see at least a few people state this in their ad, however I do wish they would also explain that these sets will not be eligible for the 25th Anniversary label (at least, not all of the coins). To me, that is an important point!
My orders are currently "in process". I did order them expedited shipping; hopefully I will get them pretty quick, I am anxious to get them sent off and graded! Not sure if I will do all 5 sets though. What is the opinion of this group? I am definitely going to do one (the one I keep for myself). I may do another one that I plan to give as a Christmas present. Could I pick the best coins out the sets I have graded to make the best possible complete set or would this mess up the registry numbers? I am new to coin grading as well so I am not very knowledge about the overall process yet!
FYI - I am not one of the pre-sellers on eBay. I will wait until I have the coins "in hand"
Thanks!
Z47Collector
When it comes to ebay buying "let the buyer beware."
Congratulations on getting all five sets via five separate orders. that's a pretty good accomplishment given the chaos.
I would suggest however many of the sets you submit for grading that you do it on one sumbission form. That will save you money but more importantly give you closely grouped serial numbers. The advantage to this is building sets from the results where the coins obviously all came from the same order/submission. Nothing wrong with taking all the graded pieces and making your own puzzle. Keep in mind the more pieces you have the better the resulting puzzles. It's safe to assume that a set of 70s will have the most value. For remaining sets that don't have like grades two options: buy indivdual graded coins to build a complete set or just sell off the 5 coins individually. For this reason there will be a good aftermarket in graded, individual coins.
Right now the future price are all speculation. The one thing you can do is position yourself where you thing the value will be. Will individually sealed sets bring more money than graded 69 sets? probably. But graded 70 sets should bring much more than a sealed set. Also the two graded "money" coins will bring good money on their own. The more of them you have graded the better your odds of a 70.
Good luck. >>
Very good advice. Thanks for the knowledge.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
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Good to know. I may call the Mint to see if they will refund the extra shipping fees >>
I wouldn't want their fingers on the keyboard while they were looking at an account right now. You might consider waiting until they ship. >>
Otherwise .............
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>My order for 5 sets just went from "on hold" to "in process"...
Yup, My two orders just went "in Process" too.
Shipping to be coming soon.
WooHoo,
Joe
I just logged into my Mint account. It took about a minute to get in - everything was really slow like on ordering day. When the page finally opened, this is what it said:
There are no orders found
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
I've resisted going in there every 5 mins like some here. I checked earlier today & they were all in process. Now they're all gone?? My worst nightmare.
I hope you're right.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
So tomorrow it will be the 17th
<< <i>I've resisted going in there every 5 mins like some here. I checked earlier today & they were all in process. Now they're all gone?? My worst nightmare.
I hope you're right. >>
What would folks be checking more frequently? Their order status for these or their submission status for these?
<< <i>After reading all the minutiae contained in the last couple of pages regarding FS, submissions, labels, et al; I look like this -
Yeah, I hope we don't end up with 500 daily updates.