<< <i>I see that too. But, my comment was on sets vs. sets.
No doubt individual collectors are picking up this or that single flag coin to finish up flag sets.
Wondercoin >>
Okay, you're right about the sets. I see two 70 flag sets sold this morning for $1455 and $1353. Looks like one would do better to sell the flag 70s individually.
<< <i>It seems to me like these sets are basically following what the 20th anniversary sets did, the first few weeks and everybody wants one and they really don't care what they pay for it but now as the weeks have passed and that first appetite has been appeased the prices on the secondary market have dropped dramatically. I think within 2-3 weeks you will be able to pick up an ungraded set for about $450-$550 which is just about the percentage that the 20th anniversary set is going for.
Chuck. >>
The price trajectory is likely to be different this time. The 2006 20th Anniversary Set was available from the Mint for several weeks after it was introduced, with a purchase limit of 10 sets. So during that time any collector who wanted a set could purchase it from the Mint at issue price ($100). By contrast, the 2011 set sold out in less than a day, so the issue price ($300) quickly became irrelevant. Any collector who didn't order or was shut out can now only obtain a set at a price determined by the secondary market. That market is flooded with sets at the moment, but the tide is beginning to recede. I doubt that prices will decline to the $450-$550 range.
Overdate is right on the mark. With a release of 250,000, and only one unique coin, the 20th ASE struggled to sell out for weeks.
Makes me believe there are no more than 250K or less die hard collectors of the ASE Proof series. Die hard meaning these collectors want a complete 1986-2011 Proof Set. The average sellout for the ASE Proofs of around 750-800K. Beyond the 250K sold are just random collectors not caring to have a complete set. Such as for gifts, etc.
I believe there are far more ASE collectors than 25th sets available to them. It appears that few people hold many sets, but obviously don't know for certain. 100K (random guess) people who want a set, many people who have more than one set, short supply... seems the price of these will only go up.
NOTE: It's highly likely the 2011-W* set burnished coin will be the 6th rarest of all ASEs. The top 10:
It should also be noted that the 100K 2011 set bullion coin may not be exclusive (yet to be determined), but is unique in the "Set" holder considering the lowest minted bullion ASE is the 1996 at 3.6 million.
<< <i>I believe there are far more ASE collectors than 25th sets available to them. It appears that few people hold many sets, but obviously don't know for certain. 100K (random guess) people who want a set, many people who have more than one set, short supply... seems the price of these will only go up.
NOTE: It's highly likely the 2011-W* set burnished coin will be the 6th rarest of all ASEs. The top 10:
It should also be noted that the 100K 2011 set bullion coin may not be exclusive (yet to be determined), but is unique in the "Set" holder considering the lowest minted bullion ASE is the 1996 at 3.6 million. >>
Where did you get the mintage figures for the Years..1993..1994..1995..and 1999...if they are all Bullion coins..??
Here is something very interested to ponder. It was reported that the 100,000 Uncirculated 2011W SAE from the set will not be part of the overall mintage reported on the Uncirc 2011W Uncirculated issues. As of December 8th there were only 208,000 sold making the 2011 version the key among Uncirc issues and even if you include the 100,000 to the total sold it could still potentially fall under previous mintage years.
Basically after it is all set and done this set will hold the keys among the Uncirculated burnished versions (2011S) and (2011W).
Look at the mintages for the Uncirc versions of previous years. The 25th Anniversary set could very well be holding the top two burnished Eagle coins
2006-W 466,573 2007-W 710,299 2008 W 535,598 2009 Not Minted 2010 Not Minted 2011-S 100,000 2011-W 208,000 as of December 8th
<< <i>What one could derive is that the 2011 W were from stock..?? and total is 208 thousand..?? >>
That could very well be the case. From what i gather is that 100,000 extra ones were minted for the set but are not included in the reported mintages.
It could be though that the ones from the Anniversary set were taken from existing stock. In any case even if you had an extra 100,000 added to the reported mintage it will likely fall below mintages for any other West Point minted burnished coin.
As it stands you have the top two key coins in the unicrculated version as part of the 25th Anniversary set
<< <i>Everybody should just give it a little time for the prices to settle down and they will be rewarded. Rome was not built in a day. >>
I agree, I'm sure lots of casual collectors of the series don't even know the set exists. Give it time, lets say after the holidays to start with then no more glut of quick buck sales on the scene. we'll then move on into a year or two of hopefully a better economic condition. If you gotta sell to pay bills you still made money. Seeing PCGS 70's in this mintage going for sub 200 tells me there are to many going at once. A nice double flip could be a real possibility for those with the stones
ine # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade 1 1 24081479 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70 2 1 24081480 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70 3 1 24081481 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70 4 1 24081482 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC 5 1 24081483 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
Sent in one set of ( 5 ) I hit the lottery! Luck O' Irish !! Still have ( 3 ) sealed sets, will wait till the flood water recedes. See what shakes loose.
Sent in one set of ( 5 ) I hit the lottery! Luck O' Irish !! Still have ( 3 ) sealed sets, will wait till the flood water recedes. See what shakes loose. >>
Wow they are really pumping the 70's out of PCGS. Since I too have 5 more sets currently in for grading, I hope this continues.
Sent in one set of ( 5 ) I hit the lottery! Luck O' Irish !! Still have ( 3 ) sealed sets, will wait till the flood water recedes. See what shakes loose. >>
@IrishPotato - when did PCGS receive your sets? and what's the date on your box?
<< <i>Look at the mintages for the Uncirc versions of previous years. The 25th Anniversary set could very well be holding the top two burnished Eagle coins
2006-W 466,573 2007-W 710,299 2008 W 535,598 2009 Not Minted 2010 Not Minted 2011-S 100,000 2011-W 208,000 as of December 8th >>
I've too have been watching the unc 11Ws, sales are rather slow each week in the mint reports. Being that the proofs sold out suddenly this year (albiet high levels), makes you wonder how long the 11W sales will continue. They did go on sale late this year (Sept 15), so it's possible they may be available for some time yet. I don't think there are any restrictions on selling them into the following year.
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<< <i>Here is something very interested to ponder. It was reported that the 100,000 Uncirculated 2011W SAE from the set will not be part of the overall mintage reported on the Uncirc 2011W Uncirculated issues. >>
What does it mean it won't be reported????
As far as I know, even the 100K from the set will not be officially counted by the US Mint as the individual 2011W unc sales, people will still count them. Just like the mintage of any 1 Oz Proof Eagle will always include the 4-coin set, the 2008 1/2 unc buffalo will include the double prosperity set, and 2006W unc eagle includes the 20th anniversary set.
Thanks mainly to lax grading standards for the earliest submissions of 25th Anniversary Set coins, prices for graded sets will retain limited premiums. It is obvious to this observer, this was allowed so the pigs could go to the trough with their 70 Mercanti sets and screw the buyers. Now, many of the Ebay sellers do not even show Mercanti in the listing or description because the sets were overgraded. Such a business decision by PCGS can, and will, hurt business in the long run.
PCGS' decision to charge for the return of the mint packaging is reasonable. But such a decision lacks consistency with their business practice of charging $18 for a first strike label that has no cost to produce.
The entire grading business model for both NGC and PCGS has gone into the toilet, and will hurt the hobby.
I am by no means a grader or a modern guy, but all of the mercantis I have seen look like real 70s. I don't know why everyone is saying that pcgs over graded 70s...I don't know about that. Maybe the mint's striking process is just getting better and more 70s are coming out? At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. There are lots of 70s graded, so what. If there were only 10 70 sets graded everyone would be complaining about the premiums. Either way, I can guarantee that 70 sets (mercanti or whatever) will go back up to at least $2k.
<< <i>Thanks mainly to lax grading standards for the earliest submissions of 25th Anniversary Set coins, prices for graded sets will retain limited premiums. It is obvious to this observer, this was allowed so the pigs could go to the trough with their 70 Mercanti sets and screw the buyers. Now, many of the Ebay sellers do not even show Mercanti in the listing or description because the sets were overgraded. Such a business decision by PCGS can, and will, hurt business in the long run.
PCGS' decision to charge for the return of the mint packaging is reasonable. But such a decision lacks consistency with their business practice of charging $18 for a first strike label that has no cost to produce.
The entire grading business model for both NGC and PCGS has gone into the toilet, and will hurt the hobby. >>
So, just how many PCGS 70 sets have you seen to justify your comment? The few I have seen are definately 70s compared to the 69 sets I have.
<< <i>Thanks mainly to lax grading standards for the earliest submissions of 25th Anniversary Set coins, prices for graded sets will retain limited premiums. It is obvious to this observer, this was allowed so the pigs could go to the trough with their 70 Mercanti sets and screw the buyers. Now, many of the Ebay sellers do not even show Mercanti in the listing or description because the sets were overgraded. Such a business decision by PCGS can, and will, hurt business in the long run.
PCGS' decision to charge for the return of the mint packaging is reasonable. But such a decision lacks consistency with their business practice of charging $18 for a first strike label that has no cost to produce.
The entire grading business model for both NGC and PCGS has gone into the toilet, and will hurt the hobby. >>
It's remarks like this that get you and this thread removed so cool it.
"So, just how many PCGS 70 sets have you seen to justify your comment?"
Exactly. I have seen roughly several hundred PCGS graded 70 sets thus far (25th Anniv) and the most early graded coins are, in my opinion, graded no differently than the later graded coins. In fact, my most early (sealed) submissions had a slightly lower 70 rate % than most of the latter submissions ... which I attribute purely to the random nature of the raw coins being submitted.
That said, my most recent (sealed) submission had a (relatively) low grade through % compared to earlier submissions and even included an MS63 2011-S graded coin! Probably a pop 1 though?
Anyway, my personal submission data for 70's from sealed sets looks like a "yoyo" ... as it should with random unsearched coins.
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<< <i>I believe there are far more ASE collectors than 25th sets available to them. It appears that few people hold many sets, but obviously don't know for certain. 100K (random guess) people who want a set, many people who have more than one set, short supply... seems the price of these will only go up.
NOTE: It's highly likely the 2011-W* set burnished coin will be the 6th rarest of all ASEs. The top 10:
It should also be noted that the 100K 2011 set bullion coin may not be exclusive (yet to be determined), but is unique in the "Set" holder considering the lowest minted bullion ASE is the 1996 at 3.6 million. >>
Where did you get the mintage figures for the Years..1993..1994..1995..and 1999...if they are all Bullion coins..?? >>
Where did you get 80k for the 2008/07?
There were just under 47,000 of these minted.
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Stumbled across Art & Coin Tv, selling raw sets $1495 plus s & h. They opened a box of 5 live and the one set they opened had a couple of eagles in their capsules but out of their holder spots. They also offered the sealed box of 5 for $7,300. Deal!
They received them the day before Thanksgiving. The date on the original mint box I'm not sure of, just sent it in the box it was shipped in. Notified by email that they had been graded last night. Went online this morning to find the results. The date on the box qualified them for " First Strike ".
They received them the day before Thanksgiving. The date on the original mint box I'm not sure of, just sent it in the box it was shipped in. Notified by email that they had been graded last night. Went online this morning to find the results. The date on the box qualified them for " First Strike ". >>
I received an email last night that my grades are ready. I checked the site, there are two separate order numbers but the same submission number. When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days.
<< <i> When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
Try clicking on your order number instead of your submisson number on your orders page.
<< <i>2008w rev07 About 47,000 less the typical scrap rate for 2008. I am working on this. >>
How many people out there scrap the W minted burnished eagles???? I don't even see why anyone would scrap a regular bullion silver eagle as they always sell for a premium anyways.
<< <i> When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
Try clicking on your order number instead of your submisson number on your orders page. >>
@fivecents - I did. One shows return of mint packaging but the other one doesn't show anything.
<< <i>I received an email last night that my grades are ready. I checked the site, there are two separate order numbers but the same submission number. When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
It is the grade of just the mint packaging, I think it's like their cruel humor. Anyway, grades on the coins for my last submission came about 5 days after the email you just received.
<< <i>I received an email last night that my grades are ready. I checked the site, there are two separate order numbers but the same submission number. When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
That is normal. The shipment for the return of the mint packaging occurs a lot sooner than the grading of the sets. PCGS is just splitting the submission number into two separate order numbers. In my case, I had my mint packaging shipped on 11-18-11 and actual graded sets were shipped on 11-28-11. PCGS logged my original shipment as received on 11-15-11. Unfortunately, you will have to hang in there a while.
<< <i>2008w rev07 About 47,000 less the typical scrap rate for 2008. I am working on this. >>
How many people out there scrap the W minted burnished eagles???? I don't even see why anyone would scrap a regular bullion silver eagle as they always sell for a premium anyways. >>
Answer: 100% of the coins struck do not make it through QC. That give you a scrap rate, its a production term.
Interesting ... the mega-thread is being ignored while secondary 25th threads continues...
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<< <i>Interesting ... the mega-thread is being ignored while secondary 25th threads continues... >>
Could it be because prices seem to be rebounding, and it's'about the money' now, again? Not that there's anything wrong with that...matter of fact, I'm sitting on a couple sealed sets, so, yeah, I'm happy with the $$ trending upwards. The fact is, alot of 'us' that got in late (I had an early order come in, 2 sets...got $1,800 for the pair), there were already slabbed sets getting listed.. Within a week, listings were everywhere. Wwhile some/most sets that 'we' got are still FS eligible, they came in too late to be able to get in at the peak.
Sorry, almost forgot what thread I was posting to.
<< <i>I need 15 uncracked (pcgs sometimes cracks them, especially the bigger base) capsules from these or any ASE product.
Anyone have any to sell me??? >>
How would anyone send you uncracked capsules without the coins inside??Anyway,I have 27 cracked ASE mint capsules in my closet,if you're interested. >>
Correction,make that 25 undamaged capsules. (no cracks).
I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks.
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<< <i>I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks. >>
They are selling for issue price but I will pay you $320.00........
<< <i>I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks. >>
They are selling for issue price but I will pay you $320.00........ >>
You had better button up your shirt, your heart is falling out!
<< <i>I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks. >>
They are selling for issue price but I will pay you $320.00........ >>
You had better button up your shirt, your heart is falling out! >>
I'll pay ya $325 but you have to pickup the shipping.
His listing reads like one of those TV commercials for a plated 1933 Saint.
I wonder what he means by:
"Pyramid Wall Group Inc. does not endorse or guarantee the validity, accuracy or acceptability of any grades assigned by Professional Coin Grading Service Inc. (PCGS). "
Comments
No doubt individual collectors are picking up this or that single flag coin to finish up flag sets.
Wondercoin
<< <i>I see that too. But, my comment was on sets vs. sets.
No doubt individual collectors are picking up this or that single flag coin to finish up flag sets.
Wondercoin >>
Okay, you're right about the sets. I see two 70 flag sets sold this morning for $1455 and $1353. Looks like one would do better to sell the flag 70s individually.
<< <i>It seems to me like these sets are basically following what the 20th anniversary sets did, the first few weeks and everybody wants one and they really don't care what they pay for it but now as the weeks have passed and that first appetite has been appeased the prices on the secondary market have dropped dramatically. I think within 2-3 weeks you will be able to pick up an ungraded set for about $450-$550 which is just about the percentage that the 20th anniversary set is going for.
Chuck. >>
The price trajectory is likely to be different this time. The 2006 20th Anniversary Set was available from the Mint for several weeks after it was introduced, with a purchase limit of 10 sets. So during that time any collector who wanted a set could purchase it from the Mint at issue price ($100). By contrast, the 2011 set sold out in less than a day, so the issue price ($300) quickly became irrelevant. Any collector who didn't order or was shut out can now only obtain a set at a price determined by the secondary market. That market is flooded with sets at the moment, but the tide is beginning to recede. I doubt that prices will decline to the $450-$550 range.
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Makes me believe there are no more than 250K or less die hard collectors of the ASE Proof series. Die hard meaning these collectors want a complete 1986-2011 Proof Set. The average sellout for the ASE Proofs of around 750-800K. Beyond the 250K sold are just random collectors not caring to have a complete set. Such as for gifts, etc.
Box of 20
NOTE: It's highly likely the 2011-W* set burnished coin will be the 6th rarest of all ASEs. The top 10:
1995-W 30,125
2008/07 80,000
2011-S A25 100,000
2011-P A25 set 100,000
2006-P A20 248,875
2011-W A25 350,000* est.
1994 372,168
1993 405,913
1995 407,822
1999 440,315
It should also be noted that the 100K 2011 set bullion coin may not be exclusive (yet to be determined), but is unique in the "Set" holder considering the lowest minted bullion ASE is the 1996 at 3.6 million.
Everybody should just give it a little time for the prices to settle down and they will be rewarded. Rome was not built in a day.
<< <i>I believe there are far more ASE collectors than 25th sets available to them. It appears that few people hold many sets, but obviously don't know for certain. 100K (random guess) people who want a set, many people who have more than one set, short supply... seems the price of these will only go up.
NOTE: It's highly likely the 2011-W* set burnished coin will be the 6th rarest of all ASEs. The top 10:
1995-W 30,125
2008/07 80,000
2011-S A25 100,000
2011-P A25 set 100,000
2006-P A20 248,875
2011-W A25 350,000* est.
1994 372,168
1993 405,913
1995 407,822
1999 440,315
It should also be noted that the 100K 2011 set bullion coin may not be exclusive (yet to be determined), but is unique in the "Set" holder considering the lowest minted bullion ASE is the 1996 at 3.6 million. >>
Where did you get the mintage figures for the Years..1993..1994..1995..and 1999...if they are all Bullion coins..??
Basically after it is all set and done this set will hold the keys among the Uncirculated burnished versions (2011S) and (2011W).
Look at the mintages for the Uncirc versions of previous years. The 25th Anniversary set could very well be holding the top two burnished Eagle coins
2006-W 466,573
2007-W 710,299
2008 W 535,598
2009 Not Minted
2010 Not Minted
2011-S 100,000
2011-W 208,000 as of December 8th
<< <i>What one could derive is that the 2011 W were from stock..?? and total is 208 thousand..?? >>
That could very well be the case. From what i gather is that 100,000 extra ones were minted for the set but are not included in the reported mintages.
It could be though that the ones from the Anniversary set were taken from existing stock. In any case even if you had an extra 100,000 added to the reported mintage it will likely fall below mintages for any other West Point minted burnished coin.
As it stands you have the top two key coins in the unicrculated version as part of the 25th Anniversary set
<< <i>Everybody should just give it a little time for the prices to settle down and they will be rewarded. Rome was not built in a day. >>
I agree, I'm sure lots of casual collectors of the series don't even know the set exists. Give it time, lets say after the holidays to start with then no more glut of quick buck sales on the scene. we'll then move on into a year or two of hopefully a better economic condition. If you gotta sell to pay bills you still made money. Seeing PCGS 70's in this mintage going for sub 200 tells me there are to many going at once. A nice double flip could be a real possibility for those with the stones
ine # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 24081479 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
2 1 24081480 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
3 1 24081481 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
4 1 24081482 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
5 1 24081483 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
Sent in one set of ( 5 ) I hit the lottery! Luck O' Irish !!
Still have ( 3 ) sealed sets, will wait till the flood water recedes. See what shakes loose.
<< <i>ine # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 24081479 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
2 1 24081480 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
3 1 24081481 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
4 1 24081482 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
5 1 24081483 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
Sent in one set of ( 5 ) I hit the lottery! Luck O' Irish !!
Still have ( 3 ) sealed sets, will wait till the flood water recedes. See what shakes loose. >>
Wow they are really pumping the 70's out of PCGS. Since I too have 5 more sets currently in for grading, I hope this continues.
<< <i>ine # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 24081479 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
2 1 24081480 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
3 1 24081481 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
4 1 24081482 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
5 1 24081483 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
Sent in one set of ( 5 ) I hit the lottery! Luck O' Irish !!
Still have ( 3 ) sealed sets, will wait till the flood water recedes. See what shakes loose. >>
@IrishPotato - when did PCGS receive your sets? and what's the date on your box?
<< <i>Look at the mintages for the Uncirc versions of previous years. The 25th Anniversary set could very well be holding the top two burnished Eagle coins
2006-W 466,573
2007-W 710,299
2008 W 535,598
2009 Not Minted
2010 Not Minted
2011-S 100,000
2011-W 208,000 as of December 8th >>
I've too have been watching the unc 11Ws, sales are rather slow each week in the mint reports. Being that the proofs sold out suddenly this year (albiet high levels), makes you wonder how long the 11W sales will continue. They did go on sale late this year (Sept 15), so it's possible they may be available for some time yet. I don't think there are any restrictions on selling them into the following year.
...and congrat's Irish on the Grand Slam!
<< <i>Here is something very interested to ponder. It was reported that the 100,000 Uncirculated 2011W SAE from the set will not be part of the overall mintage reported on the Uncirc 2011W Uncirculated issues. >>
What does it mean it won't be reported????
As far as I know, even the 100K from the set will not be officially counted by the US Mint as the individual 2011W unc sales, people will still count them. Just like the mintage of any 1 Oz Proof Eagle will always include the 4-coin set, the 2008 1/2 unc buffalo will include the double prosperity set, and 2006W unc eagle includes the 20th anniversary set.
PCGS' decision to charge for the return of the mint packaging is reasonable. But such a decision lacks consistency with their business practice of charging $18 for a first strike label that has no cost to produce.
The entire grading business model for both NGC and PCGS has gone into the toilet, and will hurt the hobby.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. There are lots of 70s graded, so what. If there were only 10 70 sets graded everyone would be complaining about the premiums.
Either way, I can guarantee that 70 sets (mercanti or whatever) will go back up to at least $2k.
<< <i>Thanks mainly to lax grading standards for the earliest submissions of 25th Anniversary Set coins, prices for graded sets will retain limited premiums. It is obvious to this observer, this was allowed so the pigs could go to the trough with their 70 Mercanti sets and screw the buyers. Now, many of the Ebay sellers do not even show Mercanti in the listing or description because the sets were overgraded. Such a business decision by PCGS can, and will, hurt business in the long run.
PCGS' decision to charge for the return of the mint packaging is reasonable. But such a decision lacks consistency with their business practice of charging $18 for a first strike label that has no cost to produce.
The entire grading business model for both NGC and PCGS has gone into the toilet, and will hurt the hobby. >>
So, just how many PCGS 70 sets have you seen to justify your comment? The few I have seen are definately 70s compared to the 69 sets I have.
<< <i>Thanks mainly to lax grading standards for the earliest submissions of 25th Anniversary Set coins, prices for graded sets will retain limited premiums. It is obvious to this observer, this was allowed so the pigs could go to the trough with their 70 Mercanti sets and screw the buyers. Now, many of the Ebay sellers do not even show Mercanti in the listing or description because the sets were overgraded. Such a business decision by PCGS can, and will, hurt business in the long run.
PCGS' decision to charge for the return of the mint packaging is reasonable. But such a decision lacks consistency with their business practice of charging $18 for a first strike label that has no cost to produce.
The entire grading business model for both NGC and PCGS has gone into the toilet, and will hurt the hobby. >>
It's remarks like this that get you and this thread removed so cool it.
Exactly. I have seen roughly several hundred PCGS graded 70 sets thus far (25th Anniv) and the most early graded coins are, in my opinion, graded no differently than the later graded coins. In fact, my most early (sealed) submissions had a slightly lower 70 rate % than most of the latter submissions ... which I attribute purely to the random nature of the raw coins being submitted.
That said, my most recent (sealed) submission had a (relatively) low grade through % compared to earlier submissions and even included an MS63 2011-S graded coin! Probably a pop 1 though?
Anyway, my personal submission data for 70's from sealed sets looks like a "yoyo" ... as it should with random unsearched coins.
Wondercoin
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<< <i>I believe there are far more ASE collectors than 25th sets available to them. It appears that few people hold many sets, but obviously don't know for certain. 100K (random guess) people who want a set, many people who have more than one set, short supply... seems the price of these will only go up.
NOTE: It's highly likely the 2011-W* set burnished coin will be the 6th rarest of all ASEs. The top 10:
1995-W 30,125
2008/07 80,000
2011-S A25 100,000
2011-P A25 set 100,000
2006-P A20 248,875
2011-W A25 350,000* est.
1994 372,168
1993 405,913
1995 407,822
1999 440,315
It should also be noted that the 100K 2011 set bullion coin may not be exclusive (yet to be determined), but is unique in the "Set" holder considering the lowest minted bullion ASE is the 1996 at 3.6 million. >>
Where did you get the mintage figures for the Years..1993..1994..1995..and 1999...if they are all Bullion coins..??
Where did you get 80k for the 2008/07?
There were just under 47,000 of these minted.
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
BringMeDown
They received them the day before Thanksgiving. The date on the original mint box I'm not sure of, just sent it in the box it was shipped in. Notified by email that they had been graded last night. Went online this morning to find the results.
The date on the box qualified them for " First Strike ".
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They received them the day before Thanksgiving. The date on the original mint box I'm not sure of, just sent it in the box it was shipped in. Notified by email that they had been graded last night. Went online this morning to find the results.
The date on the box qualified them for " First Strike ". >>
Nice score!!!
I received an email last night that my grades are ready. I checked the site, there are two separate order numbers but the same submission number. When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days.
About 47,000 less the typical scrap rate for 2008. I am working on this.
<< <i> When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
Try clicking on your order number instead of your submisson number on your orders page.
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About 47,000 less the typical scrap rate for 2008. I am working on this. >>
How many people out there scrap the W minted burnished eagles???? I don't even see why anyone would scrap a regular bullion silver eagle as they always sell for a premium anyways.
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<< <i> When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
Try clicking on your order number instead of your submisson number on your orders page. >>
@fivecents - I did. One shows return of mint packaging but the other one doesn't show anything.
<< <i>I received an email last night that my grades are ready. I checked the site, there are two separate order numbers but the same submission number. When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
It is the grade of just the mint packaging, I think it's like their cruel humor. Anyway, grades on the coins for my last submission came about 5 days after the email you just received.
<< <i>I received an email last night that my grades are ready. I checked the site, there are two separate order numbers but the same submission number. When I click on one order number it shows return of my mint packaging but when I click the other one nothing happens. I can't see the grades yet. Is this normal? Maybe I still need to wait a couple more days. >>
That is normal. The shipment for the return of the mint packaging occurs a lot sooner than the grading of the sets. PCGS is just splitting the submission number into two separate order numbers. In my case, I had my mint packaging shipped on 11-18-11 and actual graded sets were shipped on 11-28-11. PCGS logged my original shipment as received on 11-15-11. Unfortunately, you will have to hang in there a while.
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About 47,000 less the typical scrap rate for 2008. I am working on this. >>
How many people out there scrap the W minted burnished eagles???? I don't even see why anyone would scrap a regular bullion silver eagle as they always sell for a premium anyways. >>
Answer: 100% of the coins struck do not make it through QC. That give you a scrap rate, its a production term.
Anyone have any to sell me???
<< <i>Interesting ... the mega-thread is being ignored while secondary 25th threads continues... >>
Adds a little challenge to keeping up with it all.
<< <i>Interesting ... the mega-thread is being ignored while secondary 25th threads continues... >>
Could it be because prices seem to be rebounding, and it's'about the money' now, again? Not that there's anything wrong with that...matter of fact, I'm sitting on a couple sealed sets, so, yeah, I'm happy with the $$ trending upwards. The fact is, alot of 'us' that got in late (I had an early order come in, 2 sets...got $1,800 for the pair), there were already slabbed sets getting listed.. Within a week, listings were everywhere. Wwhile some/most sets that 'we' got are still FS eligible, they came in too late to be able to get in at the peak.
Sorry, almost forgot what thread I was posting to.
<< <i>I need 15 uncracked (pcgs sometimes cracks them, especially the bigger base) capsules from these or any ASE product.
Anyone have any to sell me??? >>
How would anyone send you uncracked capsules without the coins inside??Anyway,I have 27 cracked ASE mint capsules in my closet,if you're interested.
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<< <i>I need 15 uncracked (pcgs sometimes cracks them, especially the bigger base) capsules from these or any ASE product.
Anyone have any to sell me??? >>
How would anyone send you uncracked capsules without the coins inside??Anyway,I have 27 cracked ASE mint capsules in my closet,if you're interested. >>
Correction,make that 25 undamaged capsules. (no cracks).
<< <i>I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks. >>
They are selling for issue price but I will pay you $320.00........
Seller- thebigeng; morgansforever; bolivarshagnasty
Buyer-nibanny; derryb; zubie; smittys; konsole; tootawl; socalbigmark; fullcameo; coinkid855
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<< <i>I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks. >>
They are selling for issue price but I will pay you $320.00........ >>
You had better button up your shirt, your heart is falling out!
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<< <i>I'll apologize in advance if this has been discussed ad nauseum but can someone tell me what a raw opened set generally sells for now. I didn't want to sift through pages of ebay completed sales figures at the moment. Thanks. >>
They are selling for issue price but I will pay you $320.00........ >>
You had better button up your shirt, your heart is falling out! >>
I'll pay ya $325 but you have to pickup the shipping.
Not a W....
Not from the Set...
He did get the date right..
2011W
I wonder what he means by:
"Pyramid Wall Group Inc. does not endorse or guarantee the validity, accuracy or acceptability of any grades assigned by Professional Coin Grading Service Inc. (PCGS). "