Only TIME will bear out who is right or wrong in this thread. I am not moving off of my point that dealers who are NOT EAGER to sell will win out in the end and collectors will have to pay higher prices...pure and simple. chaz
<< <i>i suddenly find myself wondering if there was a Double Cheeseburger Registry would i be paying out the ying-yang for the very best #2 Combo?
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lol, no s#$%. I've got a ton of NM/MT sandwiches in my #1 ranked chicken sandwich registry. The common sandwiches that don't have any condiments or toppings are way down so I can't just give them away for $1 when they were bringing $2 a couple of years ago. I'll just list them at BIN's for $3 and wait for them to spoil.
The star sandwiches, the ones that have lettuce, tomato, and bacon, are still bringing good money at auction as long as the pictures are good and they look tasty.
<< <i>i suddenly find myself wondering if there was a Double Cheeseburger Registry would i be paying out the ying-yang for the very best #2 Combo?
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lol, no s#$%. I've got a ton of NM/MT sandwiches in my #1 ranked chicken sandwich registry. The common sandwiches that don't have any condiments or toppings are way down so I can't just give them away for $1 when they were bringing $2 a couple of years ago. I'll just list them at BIN's for $3 and wait for them to spoil.
The star sandwiches, the ones that have lettuce, tomato, and bacon, are still bringing good money at auction as long as the pictures are good and they look tasty. >>
LOL, amazing how the immutable laws of nature, physics, economics, etc can always be set aside when there's a point to be made.
As a bit of an aside, I spot-checked the pop report for two random vintage years. Since January, the number of graded cards has risen roughly 10% across the board. Yeah, demand is the only part of this equation that we should care about.
---------------------- Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989 ----------------------
Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>i suddenly find myself wondering if there was a Double Cheeseburger Registry would i be paying out the ying-yang for the very best #2 Combo?
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lol, no s#$%. I've got a ton of NM/MT sandwiches in my #1 ranked chicken sandwich registry. The common sandwiches that don't have any condiments or toppings are way down so I can't just give them away for $1 when they were bringing $2 a couple of years ago. I'll just list them at BIN's for $3 and wait for them to spoil.
The star sandwiches, the ones that have lettuce, tomato, and bacon, are still bringing good money at auction as long as the pictures are good and they look tasty. >>
Yeah? Well no sh&% too. Try to tell these dummies that! chaz
Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!).....
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
lmao. It's abundantly obvious that you've never been in business or at least a successful one because you know nothing about sales, marketing, or economics. You are basing your entire opinion on the assumption that sellers can sit on everything they have and that the laws of economics refuse to exist in the collectibles market. In actuality, you are upset because nobody is buying your now worthless PSA 8 commons because the market is flooded with those no longer low pop cards and the economy is dictating that people are spending less on non-necessity items and their disposable incomes aren't as high.
Instead of introducing baseless theories that all sellers should band together to create false demand in a market that will never get that demand back due to factors like the rise in population numbers, read a book on proper ecommerce or ebay marketing and create some auctions that will maximize your returns. You might also try changing your buying or subbing strategies to coincide with the changing marketplace. Just some ideas.
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
lmao. It's abundantly obvious that you've never been in business or at least a successful one because you know nothing about sales, marketing, or economics. You are basing your entire opinion on the assumption that sellers can sit on everything they have and that the laws of economics refuse to exist in the collectibles market. In actuality, you are upset because nobody is buying your now worthless PSA 8 commons because the market is flooded with those no longer low pop cards and the economy is dictating that people are spending less on non-necessity items and their disposable incomes aren't as high.
Instead of introducing baseless theories that all sellers should band together to create false demand in a market that will never get that demand back due to factors like the rise in population numbers, read a book on proper ecommerce or ebay marketing and create some auctions that will maximize your returns. You might also try changing your buying or subbing strategies to coincide with the changing marketplace. Just some ideas. >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz
I picture chaz sitting on a throne of PSA slabs with his pinky held to his mouth all Dr. Evil style saying, One Milleeeeeeeeeeeeeon Dollars, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
<< <i>I picture chaz sitting on a throne of PSA slabs with his pinky held to his mouth all Dr. Evil style saying, One Milleeeeeeeeeeeeeon Dollars, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>
<< <i>Chaz, can we at least agree that Andre Agassi was perhaps the finest tennis player of our lifetime?
Thanks,
Tom >>
No, but if we all hold onto our Agassi memorabilia, he's bound to make a comeback and we'll all get rich!!!! We just have to be patient.
---------------------- Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989 ----------------------
Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz >>
You haven't called me on my offer to sell you my early 70s PSA commons for $30. In fact, I'll sell most to you for $15. Come on, make my day. I have thousands more 70s commons in NM-MT condition that I haven't submitted because they always sell for less than the cost of grading.
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz >>
You haven't called me on my offer to sell you my early 70s PSA commons for $30. In fact, I'll sell most to you for $15. Come on, make my day. I have thousands more 70s commons in NM-MT condition that I haven't submitted because they always sell for less than the cost of grading. >>
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz >>
You haven't called me on my offer to sell you my early 70s PSA commons for $30. In fact, I'll sell most to you for $15. Come on, make my day. I have thousands more 70s commons in NM-MT condition that I haven't submitted because they always sell for less than the cost of grading. >>
I'm talking good commons, c'mon now....chaz >>
What do you consider a "good common"? The 0.1% that are truely tough to find centered, ala 1972 Paul Schaal In Action?
<< <i>What is this baloney about not answering your points? Why because I don't need a half a page of baloney to answer them? You got your answer when another member said that you can't apply real world economics to the sports card market which I totally believe. BIN's have made and will continue to make their mark on pricing. If dealers aren't willing to part as quickly with their better cards as before by not selling through auctions and using BIN's, most collectors will break down eventually and pay the higher price because there aren't as many PSA 8's out there as you think. chaz >>
Sorry, but the "real world economics" response wasn't to anything I said and I never mentioned economics. I may be a "dope," but at least I have the ability to read and to comprehend what I've read. I simply explained the supply/demand aspect with relation to graded commons and the effect that the registry had on previous prices versus today's prices. You're more than welcome to disagree, but don't tell me you've answered my points.
<< <i>What is this baloney about not answering your points? Why because I don't need a half a page of baloney to answer them? You got your answer when another member said that you can't apply real world economics to the sports card market which I totally believe. BIN's have made and will continue to make their mark on pricing. If dealers aren't willing to part as quickly with their better cards as before by not selling through auctions and using BIN's, most collectors will break down eventually and pay the higher price because there aren't as many PSA 8's out there as you think. chaz >>
Sorry, but the "real world economics" response wasn't to anything I said and I never mentioned economics. I may be a "dope," but at least I have the ability to read and to comprehend what I've read. I simply explained the supply/demand aspect with relation to graded commons and the effect that the registry had on previous prices versus today's prices. You're more than welcome to disagree, but don't tell me you've answered my points. >>
I have answered your points and I can tell just by the way you answered me back that I have answered your points. Boo, chaz
<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
He was, but does that change anything? Are you also suggesting that low pop commons will somehow become more in demand? And that the population on those won't rise pretty easily to meet that demand?
---------------------- Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989 ----------------------
Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>i get more money with buy it nows than auctions these days. no complaints. >>
Me too......but it is a crying shame when your auction for a PSA 8 sells for $50 and a BIN for a PSA 7 sells for $100...............backwards economics MUMBO JUMBO!
<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards. >>
C'mon man.. you in the card business???..you should know that vintage doesn't end until after 1972. I am talking mostly up to 1970. I am seeing more and more where a 7 sold for 4 or 5 bucks and someone lists a BIN at 24.99 and gets it. The population #'s on these type of cards are misleading because of cracking and resubmitting which inflates the pop #'s. This is going to work, it takes TIME...even the cheapskates know it's a buyers market now and they will wait to cash in when the market turns...guys I battle with on this board are mostly the cheapskates. chaz
Me too......but it is a crying shame when your auction for a PSA 8 sells for $50 and a BIN for a PSA 7 sells for $100...............backwards economics MUMBO JUMBO!
Your PSA 8 sold for $50 due to poor timing. The two retail buyers who were planning on bidding $200 both happened to be on the crapper at the same time and missed placing their bids. The PSA 7 sold for $100 due to it being available at the exact moment somebody was willing to pay $100 for one. Don't worry about the two retail buyers missing out on your card. One of them will be getting it when it's listed at $200 BIN.
Only dealers buying inventory are allowed to be cheapskates. The whole premise also assumes that all of those cards that sold at the top end in auctions before the malaise set in were all "arms length" transactions as well. Again some people will always overpay compared to others, some people won't. Some people can afford to sit on inventory and some people can't. We are not dealing with rare items here, if you don't want to overpay be patient. If you don't mind then have at it.
I really wish that nothing that I have/bought ever decreased in value as well but that is not realistic. In the end real world economic principles will apply for the large part bc only so many buyers are immune from their effects from a financial standpoint.
<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards. >>
C'mon man.. you in the card business???..you should know that vintage doesn't end until after 1972. I am talking mostly up to 1970. I am seeing more and more where a 7 sold for 4 or 5 bucks and someone lists a BIN at 24.99 and gets it. The population #'s on these type of cards are misleading because of cracking and resubmitting which inflates the pop #'s. This is going to work, it takes TIME...even the cheapskates know it's a buyers market now and they will wait to cash in when the market turns...guys I battle with on this board are mostly the cheapskates. chaz >>
Chaz, I like you a lot man, since your arrival on these boards with your "GAI is going to rule the world post", but if what you are saying is true, then I would guess you are buying every $4 and $5 PSA 7 you can get your hands on and putting it in your store at $24.99 BIN?
<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards. >>
C'mon man.. you in the card business???..you should know that vintage doesn't end until after 1972. I am talking mostly up to 1970. I am seeing more and more where a 7 sold for 4 or 5 bucks and someone lists a BIN at 24.99 and gets it. The population #'s on these type of cards are misleading because of cracking and resubmitting which inflates the pop #'s. This is going to work, it takes TIME...even the cheapskates know it's a buyers market now and they will wait to cash in when the market turns...guys I battle with on this board are mostly the cheapskates. chaz >>
Chaz, I like you a lot man, since your arrival on these boards with your "GAI is going to rule the world post", but if what you are saying is true, then I would guess you are buying every $4 and $5 PSA 7 you can get your hands on and putting it in your store at $24.99 BIN? >>
Your a good dude Detroitman and you remember that GAI thread??? that goes back a little ways..anyway I wish I could buy all those up cause these cards aren't going to stay down forever...cards are here to stay just like the stock market and this is a great opportunity to buy.... chaz
<< <i>Only dealers buying inventory are allowed to be cheapskates. >>
see what I mean..... a CHEAPSKATE !!! I caught one and I knew I was right all along!!! LOL chaz >>
Nope, sorry I don't even buy the cards you are talking about. I am just fascinated by the whole dialogue from both sides. The Hunt brothers must have been having a similar conversation when they decided to corner the silver market.
<< <i>Don't worry about the two retail buyers missing out on your card. One of them will be getting it when it's listed at $200 BIN. >>
.....and everyone wonders where all the auctions went!?!?!?!?! That is why you have 95% BIN's on FeeBay and only 5% auctions (and out of the 5% auctions, roughly half of those have SHILL BIDDING activity)!!!!!!!
My inventory don't rot....last I checked, these things don't have an expiration date.....I DO get discouraged when I do my cards at a BIN for VCP average, and nary get a 2nd look due to BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO, then someone like 707 can obviously gouge someone, and gets a sucker to hit the BIN on his PSA 8 that AT BEST looks like a PSA 6 that someone severly overgraded.......
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<< <i>i suddenly find myself wondering if there was a Double Cheeseburger Registry would i be paying out the ying-yang for the very best #2 Combo?
lol, no s#$%. I've got a ton of NM/MT sandwiches in my #1 ranked chicken sandwich registry. The common sandwiches that don't have any condiments or toppings are way down so I can't just give them away for $1 when they were bringing $2 a couple of years ago. I'll just list them at BIN's for $3 and wait for them to spoil.
The star sandwiches, the ones that have lettuce, tomato, and bacon, are still bringing good money at auction as long as the pictures are good and they look tasty.
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<< <i>i suddenly find myself wondering if there was a Double Cheeseburger Registry would i be paying out the ying-yang for the very best #2 Combo?
lol, no s#$%. I've got a ton of NM/MT sandwiches in my #1 ranked chicken sandwich registry. The common sandwiches that don't have any condiments or toppings are way down so I can't just give them away for $1 when they were bringing $2 a couple of years ago. I'll just list them at BIN's for $3 and wait for them to spoil.
The star sandwiches, the ones that have lettuce, tomato, and bacon, are still bringing good money at auction as long as the pictures are good and they look tasty. >>
LOL, amazing how the immutable laws of nature, physics, economics, etc can always be set aside when there's a point to be made.
As a bit of an aside, I spot-checked the pop report for two random vintage years. Since January, the number of graded cards has risen roughly 10% across the board. Yeah, demand is the only part of this equation that we should care about.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
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<< <i>i suddenly find myself wondering if there was a Double Cheeseburger Registry would i be paying out the ying-yang for the very best #2 Combo?
lol, no s#$%. I've got a ton of NM/MT sandwiches in my #1 ranked chicken sandwich registry. The common sandwiches that don't have any condiments or toppings are way down so I can't just give them away for $1 when they were bringing $2 a couple of years ago. I'll just list them at BIN's for $3 and wait for them to spoil.
The star sandwiches, the ones that have lettuce, tomato, and bacon, are still bringing good money at auction as long as the pictures are good and they look tasty. >>
Yeah? Well no sh&% too. Try to tell these dummies that! chaz
<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz
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<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
lmao. It's abundantly obvious that you've never been in business or at least a successful one because you know nothing about sales, marketing, or economics. You are basing your entire opinion on the assumption that sellers can sit on everything they have and that the laws of economics refuse to exist in the collectibles market. In actuality, you are upset because nobody is buying your now worthless PSA 8 commons because the market is flooded with those no longer low pop cards and the economy is dictating that people are spending less on non-necessity items and their disposable incomes aren't as high.
Instead of introducing baseless theories that all sellers should band together to create false demand in a market that will never get that demand back due to factors like the rise in population numbers, read a book on proper ecommerce or ebay marketing and create some auctions that will maximize your returns. You might also try changing your buying or subbing strategies to coincide with the changing marketplace. Just some ideas.
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<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
lmao. It's abundantly obvious that you've never been in business or at least a successful one because you know nothing about sales, marketing, or economics. You are basing your entire opinion on the assumption that sellers can sit on everything they have and that the laws of economics refuse to exist in the collectibles market. In actuality, you are upset because nobody is buying your now worthless PSA 8 commons because the market is flooded with those no longer low pop cards and the economy is dictating that people are spending less on non-necessity items and their disposable incomes aren't as high.
Instead of introducing baseless theories that all sellers should band together to create false demand in a market that will never get that demand back due to factors like the rise in population numbers, read a book on proper ecommerce or ebay marketing and create some auctions that will maximize your returns. You might also try changing your buying or subbing strategies to coincide with the changing marketplace. Just some ideas. >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz
Thanks,
Tom
<< <i>I picture chaz sitting on a throne of PSA slabs with his pinky held to his mouth all Dr. Evil style saying, One Milleeeeeeeeeeeeeon Dollars, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >>
Yeah baby!!!!!!!!!!!! chaz
<< <i>Chaz, can we at least agree that Andre Agassi was perhaps the finest tennis player of our lifetime?
Thanks,
Tom >>
No, not even close. chaz
<< <i>Chaz, can we at least agree that Andre Agassi was perhaps the finest tennis player of our lifetime?
Thanks,
Tom >>
No, but if we all hold onto our Agassi memorabilia, he's bound to make a comeback and we'll all get rich!!!! We just have to be patient.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
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<< <i>Chaz, can we at least agree that Andre Agassi was perhaps the finest tennis player of our lifetime?
Thanks,
Tom >>
No, but if we all hold onto our Agassi memorabilia, he's bound to make a comeback and we'll all get rich!!!! We just have to be patient. >>
True True !!! Now that I agree on!!!!! LOL chaz
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<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz >>
You haven't called me on my offer to sell you my early 70s PSA commons for $30. In fact, I'll sell most to you for $15. Come on, make my day. I have thousands more 70s commons in NM-MT condition that I haven't submitted because they always sell for less than the cost of grading.
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<< <i>Yea...and when you put your low pop, high grade commons on Ebay, noone can see them because of that BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO (even though you are paying the same fees as everyone else!)..... >>
Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz >>
You haven't called me on my offer to sell you my early 70s PSA commons for $30. In fact, I'll sell most to you for $15. Come on, make my day. I have thousands more 70s commons in NM-MT condition that I haven't submitted because they always sell for less than the cost of grading. >>
I'm talking good commons, c'mon now....chaz
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Yeah? Well if they want the card bad enough, they will find it!!! chaz >>
You want to battle my friend... you are battling the best on this board.....let's go..... what do you consider a high pop in vintage PSA 8 ?? C'mon ...fall into this trap and I'll bury you.... c'mon ..give me your best vette man...chaz >>
You haven't called me on my offer to sell you my early 70s PSA commons for $30. In fact, I'll sell most to you for $15. Come on, make my day. I have thousands more 70s commons in NM-MT condition that I haven't submitted because they always sell for less than the cost of grading. >>
I'm talking good commons, c'mon now....chaz >>
What do you consider a "good common"? The 0.1% that are truely tough to find centered, ala 1972 Paul Schaal In Action?
<< <i>Why do old people on message boards always sign there name at the end of their messages? >>
first sign of senility. Tommy
<< <i>Why do old people on message boards always sign there name at the end of their messages? >>
C'mon son..you'll be there before you know it..have a little respect.... you'll get called granpa too someday.. and that's a gaurantee. chaz
<< <i>What is this baloney about not answering your points? Why because I don't need a half a page of baloney to answer them? You got your answer when another member said that you can't apply real world economics to the sports card market which I totally believe. BIN's have made and will continue to make their mark on pricing. If dealers aren't willing to part as quickly with their better cards as before by not selling through auctions and using BIN's, most collectors will break down eventually and pay the higher price because there aren't as many PSA 8's out there as you think. chaz >>
Sorry, but the "real world economics" response wasn't to anything I said and I never mentioned economics. I may be a "dope," but at least I have the ability to read and to comprehend what I've read. I simply explained the supply/demand aspect with relation to graded commons and the effect that the registry had on previous prices versus today's prices. You're more than welcome to disagree, but don't tell me you've answered my points.
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<< <i>What is this baloney about not answering your points? Why because I don't need a half a page of baloney to answer them? You got your answer when another member said that you can't apply real world economics to the sports card market which I totally believe. BIN's have made and will continue to make their mark on pricing. If dealers aren't willing to part as quickly with their better cards as before by not selling through auctions and using BIN's, most collectors will break down eventually and pay the higher price because there aren't as many PSA 8's out there as you think. chaz >>
Sorry, but the "real world economics" response wasn't to anything I said and I never mentioned economics. I may be a "dope," but at least I have the ability to read and to comprehend what I've read. I simply explained the supply/demand aspect with relation to graded commons and the effect that the registry had on previous prices versus today's prices. You're more than welcome to disagree, but don't tell me you've answered my points. >>
I have answered your points and I can tell just by the way you answered me back that I have answered your points. Boo, chaz
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I have answered your points and I can tell just by the way you answered me back that I have answered your points. Boo, chaz >>
board: what is 4 + 4 ?
chaz: PSA 7
board: no it is 8
chaz: I have answered your points and I can tell just by the way you answered me back that I have answered your points.
Edit to add MY 2 cents....Chaz speaks the truth and tells the board what they don't want/choose to hear.
<< <i>Chaz +1.....Board = 0
Edit to add MY 2 cents....Chaz speaks the truth and tells the board what they don't want/choose to hear. >>
Bobby, do you really think that the cards he is talking about will at least retain their premiums?
<< <i>I have answered your points and I can tell just by the way you answered me back that I have answered your points. Boo, chaz >>
<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
He was, but does that change anything? Are you also suggesting that low pop commons will somehow become more in demand? And that the population on those won't rise pretty easily to meet that demand?
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<< <i>No doubt that the economic theory in this thread shall become a case study at Wharton for generations to come. >>
No doubt. chaz
<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards.
<< <i>i get more money with buy it nows than auctions these days. no complaints. >>
Me too......but it is a crying shame when your auction for a PSA 8 sells for $50 and a BIN for a PSA 7 sells for $100...............backwards economics MUMBO JUMBO!
<< <i>i get more money with buy it nows than auctions these days. no complaints. >>
Absolutely, patience is powerful and if these cheapskates want the good cards vintage PSA 7's and 8's they are going to have to pay. chaz
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<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards. >>
C'mon man.. you in the card business???..you should know that vintage doesn't end until after 1972. I am talking mostly up to 1970. I am seeing more and more where a 7 sold for 4 or 5 bucks and someone lists a BIN at 24.99 and gets it. The population #'s on these type of cards are misleading because of cracking and resubmitting which inflates the pop #'s. This is going to work, it takes TIME...even the cheapskates know it's a buyers market now and they will wait to cash in when the market turns...guys I battle with on this board are mostly the cheapskates. chaz
Did you pay top dollar for this stuff that you sell?
Did you pay wholesale or below?
Did you buy massive collections and lots @ FULL book value and then grade these gems?
Your PSA 8 sold for $50 due to poor timing. The two retail buyers who were planning on bidding $200 both happened to be on the crapper at the same time and missed placing their bids. The PSA 7 sold for $100 due to it being available at the exact moment somebody was willing to pay $100 for one. Don't worry about the two retail buyers missing out on your card. One of them will be getting it when it's listed at $200 BIN.
The whole premise also assumes that all of those cards that sold at the top end in auctions before the malaise set in were all "arms length" transactions as well.
Again some people will always overpay compared to others, some people won't. Some people can afford to sit on inventory and some people can't.
We are not dealing with rare items here, if you don't want to overpay be patient. If you don't mind then have at it.
I really wish that nothing that I have/bought ever decreased in value as well but that is not realistic. In the end real world economic principles will apply for the large part bc only so many buyers are immune from their effects from a financial standpoint.
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<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards. >>
C'mon man.. you in the card business???..you should know that vintage doesn't end until after 1972. I am talking mostly up to 1970. I am seeing more and more where a 7 sold for 4 or 5 bucks and someone lists a BIN at 24.99 and gets it. The population #'s on these type of cards are misleading because of cracking and resubmitting which inflates the pop #'s. This is going to work, it takes TIME...even the cheapskates know it's a buyers market now and they will wait to cash in when the market turns...guys I battle with on this board are mostly the cheapskates. chaz >>
Chaz, I like you a lot man, since your arrival on these boards with your "GAI is going to rule the world post", but if what you are saying is true, then I would guess you are buying every $4 and $5 PSA 7 you can get your hands on and putting it in your store at $24.99 BIN?
<< <i>How many BINs did you BUY in the last year chaz?
Did you pay top dollar for this stuff that you sell?
Did you pay wholesale or below?
Did you buy massive collections and lots @ FULL book value and then grade these gems? >>
wha?? are you one of the cheapskates I do battle with??? chaz
<< <i>Only dealers buying inventory are allowed to be cheapskates. >>
see what I mean..... a CHEAPSKATE !!! I caught one and I knew I was right all along!!! LOL chaz
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<< <i>I haven't heard Chaz mention any card in particular.....I thought he was talking about high grade, low pop commons in general.... >>
I don't recall him specifically stating low population cards. Also, PSA 8 is not high grade for 1970s cards. >>
C'mon man.. you in the card business???..you should know that vintage doesn't end until after 1972. I am talking mostly up to 1970. I am seeing more and more where a 7 sold for 4 or 5 bucks and someone lists a BIN at 24.99 and gets it. The population #'s on these type of cards are misleading because of cracking and resubmitting which inflates the pop #'s. This is going to work, it takes TIME...even the cheapskates know it's a buyers market now and they will wait to cash in when the market turns...guys I battle with on this board are mostly the cheapskates. chaz >>
Chaz, I like you a lot man, since your arrival on these boards with your "GAI is going to rule the world post", but if what you are saying is true, then I would guess you are buying every $4 and $5 PSA 7 you can get your hands on and putting it in your store at $24.99 BIN? >>
Your a good dude Detroitman and you remember that GAI thread??? that goes back a little ways..anyway I wish I could buy all those up cause these cards aren't going to stay down forever...cards are here to stay just like the stock market and this is a great opportunity to buy.... chaz
<< <i>Chaz = +2 , Cheapskates = 0 >>
Right ON baby!!!!! chaz
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<< <i>Only dealers buying inventory are allowed to be cheapskates. >>
see what I mean..... a CHEAPSKATE !!! I caught one and I knew I was right all along!!! LOL chaz >>
Nope, sorry I don't even buy the cards you are talking about. I am just fascinated by the whole dialogue from both sides. The Hunt brothers must have been having a similar conversation when they decided to corner the silver market.
<< <i>Don't worry about the two retail buyers missing out on your card. One of them will be getting it when it's listed at $200 BIN. >>
.....and everyone wonders where all the auctions went!?!?!?!?! That is why you have 95% BIN's on FeeBay and only 5% auctions (and out of the 5% auctions, roughly half of those have SHILL BIDDING activity)!!!!!!!
Chaz + Bobby = Rotting Inventory and sour grapes
<< <i>Rotting Inventory and sour grapes >>
My inventory don't rot....last I checked, these things don't have an expiration date.....I DO get discouraged when I do my cards at a BIN for VCP average, and nary get a 2nd look due to BEST MATCH MUMBO JUMBO, then someone like 707 can obviously gouge someone, and gets a sucker to hit the BIN on his PSA 8 that AT BEST looks like a PSA 6 that someone severly overgraded.......