<< <i>Great....more flippers who know nothing but trying to flip...so they can just complain when things don't go right.......great....I'm sure all the collectors who haven't gotten their stuff yet because others crowded it JUST to flip, appreciate it. >>
you're not talking about me.
I've already returned it.
in the post above I was asking what others would have done... while informing them of what a local dealer told me to do -> flip it. >>
Nope, not talking about you. >>
I'm surprised that after all but accusing me of wiping it with a rag and scratching the front, viewing the spots, the dealer said "maybe you should sell it now"
???
wtf.
I didn't get the impression he was expecting me to take a loss. We also discussed sending it back, and even sending it into pcgs as a test case just to see how they handle it .
Still, I can't believe selling it came up as an option since I'd likely get close to melt for it... which is worse than returning it. And I didn't get the feeling the dealer was thinking of me taking a loss on it.
<< <i>Hey everyone. I was swept away on a wave of UHR excitement. Despite my initial opposition to the first strike "nonsense", I just shipped out my coin for a first strike holder. I spent about $100 in fees. Who knows if any of this will be worth the expense, but it's a chance I decided to take. I'm having fun, I think. >>
Ditto. I really debated the First Strike thing but in the end decided it was necessary to go full circle. Besides half the fun of the UHR was the waiting game. January? February? Before First Strike Deadline? Before the Planchets run out? As long as 6 -9months? Now by sending it to PCGS I get to extend the wait.
I received my 2nd UHR from a board member. It is tough not to open. I decided to leave her be as I just fired off my personal UHR for grading. I will submit the 2nd UHR if I dont get a70. I scoped out the one I submitted under 5X and I am reasonably sure it will go 70. No lint catcher, but she is mighty busty
On your return, make sure that they charge you the original $1189 cost on the replacement (unless, of course the price of gold drops significantly in the interim). When I have returned things in the past, the mint's procedure was to refund my money first (after a 3 or 4 week wait), then re-charge me when the replacement was ready for shipping. Having experienced the rampant incompetence at the mint/PBGS lately, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they tried to charge you the current price as opposed to your original.
Has anyone heard of a MS 70 PCGS 1st sale yet or a MS 69 PCGS 1st price sale yet? Thanks For the heads up. MY coin is due Monday,Tuesday at the lastest for grade result at PCGS..
<< <i>Great....more flippers who know nothing but trying to flip...so they can just complain when things don't go right.......great....I'm sure all the collectors who haven't gotten their stuff yet because others crowded it JUST to flip, appreciate it.
You're a casualty of the flippers, wanna-be dealers, and the MS/PR 70 crowd. The ones who played the game and bought 10s and 100s of items, looked for the best (or to see if precious metals went up instead of down within 30 days), and then returned all or most of the items.
If I were the mint, I wouldn't like that either. I don't like some of the changes they have done, but you can thank some of the folks on these boards for it, I bet.
For me, with the UHR, I must have gotten lucky. Coin was well packaged and in the right spot. No concerns. Looks nice too. Sorry to those that got coins that didn't.....maybe if some of the flippers didn't try to bust the system, things may have gotten through quicker and less problems for those that wanted to keep the coin >>
With all due respect, make no mistake about it, the reason collectors "haven't gotten their stuff yet" is because of the incompetency of the Mint. You are NOT a "casualty of the flipper, wanna-be dealer and the MS/PR 70 crowd", but rather you are a VICTIM of the Mint's incompetency and monopolistic apathy.
In this great world of numismatics, there are collectors, flippers, dealers, slabbers, and many others all collecting and competing for a place in the sun, and as it is with all things, there are both pros and cons to every category of collecting.
It's easy to criticize the flipper, but aren't flippers nothing more than a short term dealer providing procurement services for collectors? I know a lot of people that don't want to deal with the Mint or PCGS understandably so; they just want a slabbed coin to put on their vanity shelf.
There are many dealers that irritate me almost as much as the flippers with their artificially inflated prices when their selling and their heavily discounted grey sheet prices when they're buying. Oh what a happy collector I would be if only I had a UHR for every story I heard about a dealer ripping people off including the elderly!
As much as I admire hard core collectors and their home grown collections, it's impossible to get them to trade or sell their coins!
Regardless of our place in the sun, we all have our pros and cons, but it is a wonderful choreography of emotion and passion and greed. There is room for everybody in our numismatic world. And isn't it true that to a certain degree there is a little bit of collector, flipper, dealer, and slabber in each and every one of us?
Look, we don't hate the Mint, on the contrary, we support and applaud the Mint through and to their finest moments. However, we deplore their recklessness, and the UHR has been the epitome of the Mint's negligence. It is our responsibility, our duty, to admonish the Mint to ensure that our passions are in no way compromised.
My fellow numismatists, please do not come out against one another. Although each of us serves a different purpose in this numismatic world, let us embrace our common passions. Rise above the static and the grumblings from those who lack understanding or have lost or suspended their passions. Stop and admire some of your prized pieces and reminisce about some of your favorite coin stories. And then, when you've restored that twinkle in your eye, that fire in your heart, and that overwhelming sensation deep in your soul that compels you to sit for hours staring at a coin and contemplating its history and studying its composition, share your passion with anybody who will listen especially our children. Live it and share it!
You buy and keep thats OK. I bought and sold taking the chance I can pick one up later for less. Thats my gamble maybe I win maybe I loose, if that pisses you off too @#$%&* bad.
ASLO, is there 2 official varieties? Bellybutton, and NO Bellybutton? >>
hey there, thanx for askin, i got one of three and believe it or not i have resisted the temptation to open it just in case i get the others and i send them all in for grading after march 11. we'll see but right now i'm undecided. and how is all in your UHR world?
<< <i>You buy and keep thats OK. I bought and sold taking the chance I can pick one up later for less. Thats my gamble maybe I win maybe I loose, if that pisses you off too @#$%&* bad. >>
Hey what you talkin about Willis?? I'm defending the flipper! Remember, the italics is a quote from a previous post. My comments are not italicized.
Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist.
<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
there ya go! thanks for the clarification, and I agree with the rest of it! Like i said, we all have a purpose in this coin world!
<< <i>Great....more flippers who know nothing but trying to flip...so they can just complain when things don't go right.......great....I'm sure all the collectors who haven't gotten their stuff yet because others crowded it JUST to flip, appreciate it.
You're a casualty of the flippers, wanna-be dealers, and the MS/PR 70 crowd. The ones who played the game and bought 10s and 100s of items, looked for the best (or to see if precious metals went up instead of down within 30 days), and then returned all or most of the items.
If I were the mint, I wouldn't like that either. I don't like some of the changes they have done, but you can thank some of the folks on these boards for it, I bet.
For me, with the UHR, I must have gotten lucky. Coin was well packaged and in the right spot. No concerns. Looks nice too. Sorry to those that got coins that didn't.....maybe if some of the flippers didn't try to bust the system, things may have gotten through quicker and less problems for those that wanted to keep the coin >>
With all due respect, make no mistake about it, the reason collectors "haven't gotten their stuff yet" is because of the incompetency of the Mint. You are NOT a "casualty of the flipper, wanna-be dealer and the MS/PR 70 crowd", but rather you are a VICTIM of the Mint's incompetency and monopolistic apathy.
In this great world of numismatics, there are collectors, flippers, dealers, slabbers, and many others all collecting and competing for a place in the sun, and as it is with all things, there are both pros and cons to every category of collecting.
It's easy to criticize the flipper, but aren't flippers nothing more than a short term dealer providing procurement services for collectors? I know a lot of people that don't want to deal with the Mint or PCGS understandably so; they just want a slabbed coin to put on their vanity shelf.
There are many dealers that irritate me almost as much as the flippers with their artificially inflated prices when their selling and their heavily discounted grey sheet prices when they're buying. Oh what a happy collector I would be if only I had a UHR for every story I heard about a dealer ripping people off including the elderly!
As much as I admire hard core collectors and their home grown collections, it's impossible to get them to trade or sell their coins!
Regardless of our place in the sun, we all have our pros and cons, but it is a wonderful choreography of emotion and passion and greed. There is room for everybody in our numismatic world. And isn't it true that to a certain degree there is a little bit of collector, flipper, dealer, and slabber in each and every one of us?
Look, we don't hate the Mint, on the contrary, we support and applaud the Mint through and to their finest moments. However, we deplore their recklessness, and the UHR has been the epitome of the Mint's negligence. It is our responsibility, our duty, to admonish the Mint to ensure that our passions are in no way compromised.
My fellow numismatists, please do not come out against one another. Although each of us serves a different purpose in this numismatic world, let us embrace our common passions. Rise above the static and the grumblings from those who lack understanding or have lost or suspended their passions. Stop and admire some of your prized pieces and reminisce about some of your favorite coin stories. And then, when you've restored that twinkle in your eye, that fire in your heart, and that overwhelming sensation deep in your soul that compels you to sit for hours staring at a coin and contemplating its history and studying its composition, share your passion with anybody who will listen especially our children. Live it and share it! >>
<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
He's just a former flipper, now a self proclaimed anti-flippite, the hiprocracy is astonishing....
<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
He's just a former flipper, now a self proclaimed anti-flippite, the hiprocracy is astonishing.... >>
lmao...that's funny...and through it all, we keep our comic edge! Ya' gotta love this place!
So I got mine in the mail today, opened the box, and decided that it does absolutely nothing for me. Assuming I don't slab it, what should I expect to get for it?
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>Has anyone received the UHR today with order number greater than 3838xxx??? Just curious how close I was. >>
i got nothing, see my order number below....btw the Mint did not ship the first several days of orders in numerical sequence so you will never know how close you got....which begs the question, where have you been the last 100 pages of this thread?? Also, it aint over; exercise your optimism. You have a couple more shipping days left.
<< <i>So I got mine in the mail today, opened the box, and decided that it does absolutely nothing for me. Assuming I don't slab it, what should I expect to get for it? >>
you can be kind and cost it out to me. I don't know when I'll see mine.
<< <i>So I got mine in the mail today, opened the box, and decided that it does absolutely nothing for me. Assuming I don't slab it, what should I expect to get for it? >>
It didn't do much for me either. Sellers here on the BST forum seem to be asking between 1500.00 - 1700 for them.
<< <i>Local B&M offerd me $1700 for it. No plans on selling but it is tempting.
This specimen has heavy die polish lines, and appears proof like.
Anyone else have the same thing?
Scott >>
the dealer I took mine to also called it a proof. I told them they were MS. I wonder if they believed me.
and it appears most, if not all, reported here have the heavy die polish lines. many reporting particularly on the obverse. (mine included)
also widely reported was a wire rim on it. (mine included)
they are buried in the thread, but there are some great pics posted. people started receiving them not too long ago, so it's just a matter of going back a few days worth of posts to find them for comparison.
my picture doesn't have good enough lighting to show the die polish lines or I'd post it again.
Well I for once was lucky enough to get my coin fast from the mint. It came yesterday and of course was just left on my front doorstep. Left it un-opened and packed it off to PCGS today for grading and "First Strike"... I like the rest of you am hoping to get a high grade on it. Going to hang on to it no matter what for now.
<< <i>Well I for once was lucky enough to get my coin fast from the mint. It came yesterday and of course was just left on my front doorstep. Left it un-opened and packed it off to PCGS today for grading and "First Strike"... I like the rest of you am hoping to get a high grade on it. Going to hang on to it no matter what for now. >>
Just curious, why did you leave it unopened? I thought that was only necessary if you received your coin too late to get it into the mail to PCGS by March 11th and had a package from the Mint's fulfillment center with a date prior to March 11th.
<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
He's just a former flipper, now a self proclaimed anti-flippite, the hiprocracy is astonishing.... >>
If you are referring to me, you should get your facts straight. I flipped some, and I still flip some. I just don't go out of my way to get 5-10-20 of something and screw others that way. I pretty much play within the mint's rules on this and do things that way. Nothing wrong with staying within the guidelines and flipping as long as collectors get a chance, I say. And, yes, the mint's inadequacy adds to the problem for a true collector.
I also don't appreciate the ones that buy, inspect, say "not a 70", and return it. I have never played that game.
Same for those that buy, counting on PMs going up, and return within the old 30 days to play that game.
It's ones like that that have ruined things going for the rest of us. Not hypocritical at all. Maybe you just wanted to be negative on it or attack me? Or you felt guilty at doing the above, Casman?
<< <i>EBAY AUCTIONS # 270353643891 and 270353642583 are using the photo from the PCGS article on the 1st UHR graded. This is EBAY seller tonedcoinshow. Have to wonder if this person has the coins he is selling. Asked for a cert # and he declined to give one. Said he would give that to the winner. IS THIS PERSON A BOARD MEMBER? Say what you will on the pictures. They are not good. New camera in hand today. If it sells it sells. >>
I believe you reported you gave yours to a relative to sell. How has he done?
<< <i>Well I for once was lucky enough to get my coin fast from the mint. It came yesterday and of course was just left on my front doorstep. Left it un-opened and packed it off to PCGS today for grading and "First Strike"... I like the rest of you am hoping to get a high grade on it. Going to hang on to it no matter what for now. >>
Just curious, why did you leave it unopened? I thought that was only necessary if you received your coin too late to get it into the mail to PCGS by March 11th and had a package from the Mint's fulfillment center with a date prior to March 11th. >>
Yeah, actually, you should have opened it and just sent the coin in the holder in. That's their request for coins that are submitted (postmarked) by the due date. That way, it isn't as heavy (these are over 2 1/2 pounds I believe with the box, etc) and no risk to getting the materials ruined...and, you could have checked the coin to make sure it wasn't a problematic one.
Yesterday went off for First Strike. Curious though about the depth of the high relief. Just looking at the coin I got the impression that high relief image was actually more 3-Dimensional on the 1907 High Relief than on the UHR, especially for the Eagle. Forgot to put the two side-by-side for comparison before shipping the UHR off to PCGS. Anyone know if in fact the high relief on the UHR really is ultra?
A shout out for all those who have received theirs today!
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Hopefully there well me more to celebrate before the day is over. >>
Glad to see so many more joining the celebration! >>
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Again, anyone compare the UHR with the 1907 High Relief to see which actually has the most depth? Perhaps it is because the UHR is concave that the High Relief actually looks more 3-Dimensional than the UHR to me. The smaller size of the UHR might also be a factor.
Well thanks for the info. Thought I was doing it right for a change. Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade. Will just have to live with whatever comes from it. Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab.
<< <i>Well thanks for the info. Thought I was doing it right for a change. Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade. Will just have to live with whatever comes from it. Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab. >>
Look at it this way. Yours will be the first First Strike to arrive at PCGS sealed and still in the box. That should merit something! (I wouldn't be surprised if it garners a lot of attention from the staff there most of whom have probably not yet had a chance to see the impressive box and packaging. They might even use yours for a photo op along with using it as the prototype for figuring out the packaging on the ones they will have to be returning with the boxes and packaging after March 11th.)
<< <i>Well thanks for the info. Thought I was doing it right for a change. Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade. Will just have to live with whatever comes from it. Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab. >>
Don't sweat it. PCGS doesn't care, and maybe they'll get a good laugh. You erred on the side of caution; you were being "better safe than sorry". There was a lot of conflicting information presented on this thread regarding submission requirements, and anybody would have gotten confused. So, don't let this minimize your excitement. You should be stoked dude! You will soon be receiving your First Strike UHR PCGS graded coin! Whether you sell it or keep it, surely it will be quite the coin to behold. Congratulations!
<< <i>Here's those die polish lines, looks like Liberty tangled with with fine grit sandpaper.
Does this indicate early die state?
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Nah, those aren't die polish lines, just the bonus you get from the fulfillment center's extra buffing and cleaning service that they have added because they felt so bad for delaying shipment. Seriously though, the overall effect is almost matte proof-like.
<< <i>Well thanks for the info. Thought I was doing it right for a change. Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade. Will just have to live with whatever comes from it. Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab. >>
Look at it this way. Yours will be the first First Strike to arrive at PCGS sealed and still in the box. That should merit something! (I wouldn't be surprised if it garners a lot of attention from the staff there most of whom have probably not yet had a chance to see the impressive box and packaging. They might even use yours for a photo op along with using it as the prototype for figuring out the packaging on the ones they will have to be returning with the boxes and packaging after March 11th.) >>
Did you pay the $14 hanling fee for the return of the mint box etc?
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<< <i>Great....more flippers who know nothing but trying to flip...so they can just complain when things don't go right.......great....I'm sure all the collectors who haven't gotten their stuff yet because others crowded it JUST to flip, appreciate it. >>
you're not talking about me.
I've already returned it.
in the post above I was asking what others would have done...
while informing them of what a local dealer told me to do -> flip it. >>
Nope, not talking about you. >>
I'm surprised that after all but accusing me of wiping it with a rag and scratching the front, viewing the spots, the dealer said "maybe you should sell it now"
???
wtf.
I didn't get the impression he was expecting me to take a loss. We also discussed sending it back, and even sending it into pcgs as a test case just to see how they handle it .
Still, I can't believe selling it came up as an option since I'd likely get close to melt for it... which is worse than returning it. And I didn't get the feeling the dealer was thinking of me taking a loss on it.
<< <i>LMAO
Oh right they got yours back today!!
By the way, they DO NOT recycle. Yours will go to scrap! >>
Imron - you seem to know many inside facts about the mint and its fulfillment center. How did you get so well educated?
<< <i>Hey everyone.
I was swept away on a wave of UHR excitement.
Despite my initial opposition to the first strike "nonsense", I just shipped out my coin for a first strike holder.
I spent about $100 in fees. Who knows if any of this will be worth the expense, but it's a chance I decided to take.
I'm having fun, I think. >>
Ditto. I really debated the First Strike thing but in the end decided it was necessary to go full circle. Besides half the fun of the UHR was the waiting game. January? February? Before First Strike Deadline? Before the Planchets run out? As long as 6 -9months? Now by sending it to PCGS I get to extend the wait.
ASLO, is there 2 official varieties? Bellybutton, and NO Bellybutton?
On your return, make sure that they charge you the original $1189 cost on the replacement (unless, of course the price of gold drops significantly in the interim). When I have returned things in the past, the mint's procedure was to refund my money first (after a 3 or 4 week wait), then re-charge me when the replacement was ready for shipping. Having experienced the rampant incompetence at the mint/PBGS lately, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they tried to charge you the current price as opposed to your original.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
The other evening I set it out with a PROOF 1987 (MCMLXXXVII) $25 GAE and a 1922 MS64 St G DE.
It was the Happy triad!
I am truly happy to have added that coin to my set and it will remain their as long as I can afford to hold on to it (or until I croak).
<< <i>Great....more flippers who know nothing but trying to flip...so they can just complain when things don't go right.......great....I'm sure all the collectors who haven't gotten their stuff yet because others crowded it JUST to flip, appreciate it.
You're a casualty of the flippers, wanna-be dealers, and the MS/PR 70 crowd. The ones who played the game and bought 10s and 100s of items, looked for the best (or to see if precious metals went up instead of down within 30 days), and then returned all or most of the items.
If I were the mint, I wouldn't like that either. I don't like some of the changes they have done, but you can thank some of the folks on these boards for it, I bet.
For me, with the UHR, I must have gotten lucky. Coin was well packaged and in the right spot. No concerns. Looks nice too. Sorry to those that got coins that didn't.....maybe if some of the flippers didn't try to bust the system, things may have gotten through quicker and less problems for those that wanted to keep the coin >>
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With all due respect, make no mistake about it, the reason collectors "haven't gotten their stuff yet" is because of the incompetency of the Mint. You are NOT a "casualty of the flipper, wanna-be dealer and the MS/PR 70 crowd", but rather you are a VICTIM of the Mint's incompetency and monopolistic apathy.
In this great world of numismatics, there are collectors, flippers, dealers, slabbers, and many others all collecting and competing for a place in the sun, and as it is with all things, there are both pros and cons to every category of collecting.
It's easy to criticize the flipper, but aren't flippers nothing more than a short term dealer providing procurement services for collectors? I know a lot of people that don't want to deal with the Mint or PCGS understandably so; they just want a slabbed coin to put on their vanity shelf.
There are many dealers that irritate me almost as much as the flippers with their artificially inflated prices when their selling and their heavily discounted grey sheet prices when they're buying. Oh what a happy collector I would be if only I had a UHR for every story I heard about a dealer ripping people off including the elderly!
As much as I admire hard core collectors and their home grown collections, it's impossible to get them to trade or sell their coins!
Regardless of our place in the sun, we all have our pros and cons, but it is a wonderful choreography of emotion and passion and greed. There is room for everybody in our numismatic world. And isn't it true that to a certain degree there is a little bit of collector, flipper, dealer, and slabber in each and every one of us?
Look, we don't hate the Mint, on the contrary, we support and applaud the Mint through and to their finest moments. However, we deplore their recklessness, and the UHR has been the epitome of the Mint's negligence. It is our responsibility, our duty, to admonish the Mint to ensure that our passions are in no way compromised.
My fellow numismatists, please do not come out against one another. Although each of us serves a different purpose in this numismatic world, let us embrace our common passions. Rise above the static and the grumblings from those who lack understanding or have lost or suspended their passions. Stop and admire some of your prized pieces and reminisce about some of your favorite coin stories. And then, when you've restored that twinkle in your eye, that fire in your heart, and that overwhelming sensation deep in your soul that compels you to sit for hours staring at a coin and contemplating its history and studying its composition, share your passion with anybody who will listen especially our children. Live it and share it!
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<< <i>LMAO
Oh right they got yours back today!!
By the way, they DO NOT recycle. Yours will go to scrap! >>
Imron - you seem to know many inside facts about the mint and its fulfillment center. How did you get so well educated? >>
I'm just a poor boy from a poor family......
<< <i>Imron may know a lot about the mint, but I'd like to know who died and made him forum god. >>
mama! I just killed a man, put a gun up to his head, pulled the trigger now he's dead! mama!!!!!
This information is on a need to know basis, and I will let you know when you need to know!!
<< <i>IMRON,,, did you get your coin yet??
ASLO, is there 2 official varieties? Bellybutton, and NO Bellybutton? >>
hey there, thanx for askin, i got one of three and believe it or not i have resisted the temptation to open it just in case i get the others and i send them all in for grading after march 11. we'll see but right now i'm undecided. and how is all in your UHR world?
<< <i>You buy and keep thats OK. I bought and sold taking the chance I can pick one up later for less. Thats my gamble maybe I win maybe I loose, if that pisses you off too @#$%&* bad. >>
Hey what you talkin about Willis?? I'm defending the flipper! Remember, the italics is a quote from a previous post. My comments are not italicized.
Oh well...
<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
there ya go! thanks for the clarification, and I agree with the rest of it! Like i said, we all have a purpose in this coin world!
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<< <i>Great....more flippers who know nothing but trying to flip...so they can just complain when things don't go right.......great....I'm sure all the collectors who haven't gotten their stuff yet because others crowded it JUST to flip, appreciate it.
You're a casualty of the flippers, wanna-be dealers, and the MS/PR 70 crowd. The ones who played the game and bought 10s and 100s of items, looked for the best (or to see if precious metals went up instead of down within 30 days), and then returned all or most of the items.
If I were the mint, I wouldn't like that either. I don't like some of the changes they have done, but you can thank some of the folks on these boards for it, I bet.
For me, with the UHR, I must have gotten lucky. Coin was well packaged and in the right spot. No concerns. Looks nice too. Sorry to those that got coins that didn't.....maybe if some of the flippers didn't try to bust the system, things may have gotten through quicker and less problems for those that wanted to keep the coin >>
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With all due respect, make no mistake about it, the reason collectors "haven't gotten their stuff yet" is because of the incompetency of the Mint. You are NOT a "casualty of the flipper, wanna-be dealer and the MS/PR 70 crowd", but rather you are a VICTIM of the Mint's incompetency and monopolistic apathy.
In this great world of numismatics, there are collectors, flippers, dealers, slabbers, and many others all collecting and competing for a place in the sun, and as it is with all things, there are both pros and cons to every category of collecting.
It's easy to criticize the flipper, but aren't flippers nothing more than a short term dealer providing procurement services for collectors? I know a lot of people that don't want to deal with the Mint or PCGS understandably so; they just want a slabbed coin to put on their vanity shelf.
There are many dealers that irritate me almost as much as the flippers with their artificially inflated prices when their selling and their heavily discounted grey sheet prices when they're buying. Oh what a happy collector I would be if only I had a UHR for every story I heard about a dealer ripping people off including the elderly!
As much as I admire hard core collectors and their home grown collections, it's impossible to get them to trade or sell their coins!
Regardless of our place in the sun, we all have our pros and cons, but it is a wonderful choreography of emotion and passion and greed. There is room for everybody in our numismatic world. And isn't it true that to a certain degree there is a little bit of collector, flipper, dealer, and slabber in each and every one of us?
Look, we don't hate the Mint, on the contrary, we support and applaud the Mint through and to their finest moments. However, we deplore their recklessness, and the UHR has been the epitome of the Mint's negligence. It is our responsibility, our duty, to admonish the Mint to ensure that our passions are in no way compromised.
My fellow numismatists, please do not come out against one another. Although each of us serves a different purpose in this numismatic world, let us embrace our common passions. Rise above the static and the grumblings from those who lack understanding or have lost or suspended their passions. Stop and admire some of your prized pieces and reminisce about some of your favorite coin stories. And then, when you've restored that twinkle in your eye, that fire in your heart, and that overwhelming sensation deep in your soul that compels you to sit for hours staring at a coin and contemplating its history and studying its composition, share your passion with anybody who will listen especially our children. Live it and share it! >>
Bravo, and well said Imron!!
<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
He's just a former flipper, now a self proclaimed anti-flippite, the hiprocracy is astonishing....
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<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
He's just a former flipper, now a self proclaimed anti-flippite, the hiprocracy is astonishing....
lmao...that's funny...and through it all, we keep our comic edge! Ya' gotta love this place!
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Oh right they got yours back today!!
By the way, they DO NOT recycle. Yours will go to scrap! >>
Imron - you seem to know many inside facts about the mint and its fulfillment center. How did you get so well educated? >>
yet he can't get his coin??
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<< <i>Has anyone received the UHR today with order number greater than 3838xxx??? Just curious how close I was. >>
i got nothing, see my order number below....btw the Mint did not ship the first several days of orders in numerical sequence so you will never know how close you got....which begs the question, where have you been the last 100 pages of this thread?? Also, it aint over; exercise your optimism. You have a couple more shipping days left.
<< <i>So I got mine in the mail today, opened the box, and decided that it does absolutely nothing for me. Assuming I don't slab it, what should I expect to get for it? >>
you can be kind and cost it out to me.
I don't know when I'll see mine.
any marks? spots? scratches?
REDSOX
Thanx. Sometimes I just can't let a wrong go without being righted (said with a convincing hillbilly accent).
This specimen has heavy die polish lines, and appears proof like.
Anyone else have the same thing?
Scott
<< <i>So I got mine in the mail today, opened the box, and decided that it does absolutely nothing for me. Assuming I don't slab it, what should I expect to get for it? >>
It didn't do much for me either. Sellers here on the BST forum seem to be asking between 1500.00 - 1700 for them.
<< <i>Local B&M offerd me $1700 for it. No plans on selling but it is tempting.
This specimen has heavy die polish lines, and appears proof like.
Anyone else have the same thing?
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the dealer I took mine to also called it a proof. I told them they were MS. I wonder if they believed me.
and it appears most, if not all, reported here have the heavy die polish lines. many reporting particularly on the obverse. (mine included)
also widely reported was a wire rim on it. (mine included)
they are buried in the thread, but there are some great pics posted. people started receiving them not too long ago, so it's just a matter of going back a few days worth of posts to find them for comparison.
my picture doesn't have good enough lighting to show the die polish lines or I'd post it again.
I thought the coin was breathtakingly beautiful, as did the 4 or 5 non collectors I showed it to.
<< <i>There are several more MS70 UHR's for sale on Ebay. Looks like MS70 might be fairly easy to get. >>
I think FS 70s will be easy to get for a little while; they will settle into stronger hands and the price will be dramatically higher in a year.
<< <i>Does die polish hurt chances for a Ms or Pr 70 Grade with PCGS?
I thought the coin was breathtakingly beautiful, as did the 4 or 5 non collectors I showed it to. >>
I don't know, but I think you are more likely to get 69 if there is die polish.
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<< <i>so whats up with the bellybutton and no bellybutton? >>
we were just joking around.
but mine did have a bellybutton... no other noticeable bumps though.
It does make me wonder what a coin 500 bellybutton would look like.
Well I for once was lucky enough to get my coin fast from the mint.
It came yesterday and of course was just left on my front doorstep.
Left it un-opened and packed it off to PCGS today for grading
and "First Strike"...
I like the rest of you am hoping to get a high grade on it.
Going to hang on to it no matter what for now.
<< <i>Well I for once was lucky enough to get my coin fast from the mint.
It came yesterday and of course was just left on my front doorstep.
Left it un-opened and packed it off to PCGS today for grading
and "First Strike"...
I like the rest of you am hoping to get a high grade on it.
Going to hang on to it no matter what for now. >>
Just curious, why did you leave it unopened? I thought that was only necessary if you received your coin too late to get it into the mail to PCGS by March 11th and had a package from the Mint's fulfillment center with a date prior to March 11th.
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<< <i>Chill imron, I'm responding to the guy flippin chit about flippers. Guys who want more than one are glad some people are willing to sell theirs. If your pissed at flippers blame the mint limit one is why flippers exist. >>
He's just a former flipper, now a self proclaimed anti-flippite, the hiprocracy is astonishing....
If you are referring to me, you should get your facts straight.
I flipped some, and I still flip some. I just don't go out of my way to get 5-10-20 of something and screw others that way. I pretty much play within the mint's rules on this and do things that way. Nothing wrong with staying within the guidelines and flipping as long as collectors get a chance, I say. And, yes, the mint's inadequacy adds to the problem for a true collector.
I also don't appreciate the ones that buy, inspect, say "not a 70", and return it. I have never played that game.
Same for those that buy, counting on PMs going up, and return within the old 30 days to play that game.
It's ones like that that have ruined things going for the rest of us. Not hypocritical at all. Maybe you just wanted to be negative on it or attack me? Or you felt guilty at doing the above, Casman?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>EBAY AUCTIONS # 270353643891 and 270353642583 are using the photo from the PCGS article on the 1st UHR graded. This is EBAY seller tonedcoinshow. Have to wonder if this person has the coins he is selling. Asked for a cert # and he declined to give one. Said he would give that to the winner. IS THIS PERSON A BOARD MEMBER? Say what you will on the pictures. They are not good. New camera in hand today. If it sells it sells. >>
I believe you reported you gave yours to a relative to sell. How has he done?
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<< <i>Well I for once was lucky enough to get my coin fast from the mint.
It came yesterday and of course was just left on my front doorstep.
Left it un-opened and packed it off to PCGS today for grading
and "First Strike"...
I like the rest of you am hoping to get a high grade on it.
Going to hang on to it no matter what for now. >>
Just curious, why did you leave it unopened? I thought that was only necessary if you received your coin too late to get it into the mail to PCGS by March 11th and had a package from the Mint's fulfillment center with a date prior to March 11th. >>
Yeah, actually, you should have opened it and just sent the coin in the holder in. That's their request for coins that are submitted (postmarked) by the due date. That way, it isn't as heavy (these are over 2 1/2 pounds I believe with the box, etc) and no risk to getting the materials ruined...and, you could have checked the coin to make sure it wasn't a problematic one.
Good luck with your submission though!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i> Got out the door to PCGS yesterday!
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Yesterday went off for First Strike. Curious though about the depth of the high relief. Just looking at the coin I got the impression that high relief image was actually more 3-Dimensional on the 1907 High Relief than on the UHR, especially for the Eagle. Forgot to put the two side-by-side for comparison before shipping the UHR off to PCGS. Anyone know if in fact the high relief on the UHR really is ultra?
A shout out for all those who have received theirs today!
Hopefully there well me more to celebrate before the day is over. >>
Glad to see so many more joining the celebration! >>
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Again, anyone compare the UHR with the 1907 High Relief to see which actually has the most depth? Perhaps it is because the UHR is concave that the High Relief actually looks more 3-Dimensional than the UHR to me. The smaller size of the UHR might also be a factor.
Well thanks for the info.
Thought I was doing it right for a change.
Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade.
Will just have to live with whatever comes from it.
Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab.
<< <i>Well thanks for the info.
Thought I was doing it right for a change.
Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade.
Will just have to live with whatever comes from it.
Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab. >>
Look at it this way. Yours will be the first First Strike to arrive at PCGS sealed and still in the box. That should merit something! (I wouldn't be surprised if it garners a lot of attention from the staff there most of whom have probably not yet had a chance to see the impressive box and packaging. They might even use yours for a photo op along with using it as the prototype for figuring out the packaging on the ones they will have to be returning with the boxes and packaging after March 11th.)
<< <i>Well thanks for the info.
Thought I was doing it right for a change.
Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade.
Will just have to live with whatever comes from it.
Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab. >>
Don't sweat it. PCGS doesn't care, and maybe they'll get a good laugh. You erred on the side of caution; you were being "better safe than sorry". There was a lot of conflicting information presented on this thread regarding submission requirements, and anybody would have gotten confused. So, don't let this minimize your excitement. You should be stoked dude! You will soon be receiving your First Strike UHR PCGS graded coin! Whether you sell it or keep it, surely it will be quite the coin to behold. Congratulations!
Does this indicate early die state?
<< <i>Here's those die polish lines, looks like Liberty tangled with with fine grit sandpaper.
Does this indicate early die state?
Nah, those aren't die polish lines, just the bonus you get from the fulfillment center's extra buffing and cleaning service that they have added because they felt so bad for delaying shipment. Seriously though, the overall effect is almost matte proof-like.
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<< <i>Well thanks for the info.
Thought I was doing it right for a change.
Hope PCGS is not upset when they get it and I get a bad grade.
Will just have to live with whatever comes from it.
Was going on what one had to do in the past to get a "FS" slab. >>
Look at it this way. Yours will be the first First Strike to arrive at PCGS sealed and still in the box. That should merit something! (I wouldn't be surprised if it garners a lot of attention from the staff there most of whom have probably not yet had a chance to see the impressive box and packaging. They might even use yours for a photo op along with using it as the prototype for figuring out the packaging on the ones they will have to be returning with the boxes and packaging after March 11th.) >>
Did you pay the $14 hanling fee for the return of the mint box etc?