It appears that only a handful of the UHRs have been released. I have a succinct feeling, in light of Wondercoin's discussions with management at the Mint regarding the lack of signed receipt for the packages coming out of the mint, that all shipments have ceased until this problem has been resolved with their new carrier and distribution system. Knowing how fast government works, these coins might not be released for quite some time and that the window for FS might close before any sizeable quantity reach the public. Let's face it, if the managemint at the Mint had been handling the military aspects of WW2, we'd all be speaking Japanese and German.
We'll know more this week, but if the board isn't popping with "I've got mine" type of posts, then we'll know that something is amiss and Charlie might just have hit the jackpot. >>
Actually I do speak Japanese and German - at least to some extent.
Thanks. That is interesting. What is with the "no grade available" designation. If you send it in to PCGS for "1st Strike" designation don't you also get a grade?????? >>
Hey, you're obviously not a newbie with a 2,000 + post count and a name like northcoin, how come you don't already know this stuff? Been away on a Long vacation? Not making fun but I've been around a little bit and don't remember you prior to this thread... >>
Hi. Always something new to learn. All of my PCGS coins have come to me already slabbed and I have never sent a contemporary U.S. Mint product in for grading before - though I can see why the UHR may merit an exception unless the 30 days runs out before most of us here get ours.
"This feature is temporarily unavailable. Please call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468) if you would like to track an order. We apologize for this inconvenience."
has anyone noticed that the track your order page at the mint is down? I wonder if they are going to fix the bug, or just tired of people complaining that its wrong so they took it down.
"One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making new discoveries" -A.A. Milne
Looking at the bright side of the delay - if it drags on for another couple weeks, the "First Strike" window will close. What better way to expose the absurdity of "First Strike" as the contrived pretender that it is? A giant batch of coins all minted in the same time period, but the vast majority won't qualify for the hallowed title just because of a mint shipping snafu. If that doesn't prove there is no difference between a FS and a non-FS, nothing will.
<< <i>Looking at the bright side of the delay - if it drags on for another couple weeks, the "First Strike" window will close. What better way to expose the absurdity of "First Strike" as the contrived pretender that it is? A giant batch of coins all minted in the same time period, but the vast majority won't qualify for the hallowed title just because of a mint shipping snafu. If that doesn't prove there is no difference between a FS and a non-FS, nothing will.
Death to First Strike!!! >>
It will only make the the first few more cash. It won't change anything.
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
I realize that, but it would be another entry in "The Emporer has no clothes" side of the ledger. The marketplace puts a value on the ridiculous label, and as long as the marketplace is irrational, the FS label will command a premium. There are enough of us who know the truth, and hopefully, some day before we all turn to dust, the truth will out!!!
There were a fews years and a few different gold coin series of which this was one of them that the first 1,000 minted was sent directly by the BRM to PCGS for grading and slabbing as first stuck for the year:
<< <i>There were a fews years and a few different gold coin series of which this was one of them that the first 1,000 minted was sent directly by the BRM to PCGS for grading and slabbing as first stuck for the year:
>>
Now THIS has some real collecting interest versus the ridiculous Non-First-Strike concept. Thanks for sharing that.
<< <i>There were a fews years and a few different gold coin series of which this was one of them that the first 1,000 minted was sent directly by the BRM to PCGS for grading and slabbing as first stuck for the year:
Now THIS has some real collecting interest versus the ridiculous Non-First-Strike concept. Thanks for sharing that. >>
. >>
I don't know. There would still be some that would argue that a MS69 is a MS69, whether the 23rd struck or the 10,000th. Cover the label and how would one tell the difference?
Many posts(1000's) on FS for and against. I like the little flag,and pony up the extra doe for. Many think it is nonsense and that is fine. Many enjoy these and that is fine. Collect/buy or not as you like. Numismatics "tent" is big
........Been "watching" the 2 ebay sellers that sold "in hand" UHR's and someone that bought one, left positive feedback for. So looks like charlie is not the only one with these.
Well, the coins aren't UHR... but I wonder if this is indicative of things to come...
My Lincoln Anniversary's ordered early that afternoon (am in Mint time) have now been backordered and show a shipping date of "April 01," which is what shows on their product page.
<< <i>........Been "watching" the 2 ebay sellers that sold "in hand" UHR's and someone that bought one, left positive feedback for. So looks like charlie is not the only one with these. >>
Since there are two different submission numbers in the process of being graded at PCGS with UHR's, I'd say you were spot on.
I just called the mint and they told me that they have the coins, it's the books that they're waiting on....The representative said my coin was ready to go out the door when the books arrived....
my book showed "backordered" for a day or two after the coin showed "in stock and reserved."
it then went to "in stock and reserved," and that was a week or so ago.
they need to come up with some consistent BS to tell people.
Actually, I've been more appreciative of the reps that have been as frustrated as I am and who suggested writing a letter to the mint director's office.
my book showed "backordered" for a day or two after the coin showed "in stock and reserved."
it then went to "in stock and reserved," and that was a week or so ago.
they need to come up with some consistent BS to tell people.
Actually, I've been more appreciative of the reps that have been as frustrated as I am and who suggested writing a letter to the mint director's office. >>
There is no reason to write a letter to the MInt Directors office, you will get a standard form letter saying they are sorry.
I just called the Mint myself a 11:44 eastern time today and now my order has been pushback until March 13 2009 and the Supervisor tells me that the date she just gave me is still not guaranteed.
So people we are in for a long wait on these.
Also the Mint Super told me that NONE have been ship out.. She told me there might be a huge delay until they get their shipping policy corrected. I ask her what is wrong with the shipping of these coins, she said they have had some problems on getting other shipments to customers and a lot of items being stolen with no traces available. She then said if I remember at the begining of my order of lthis UHR coin it was stated so to be available between 6/9 months and they are sticking to this agreement.
And now I am on board having just hit the button on the UHR. Order number 31020XXX for whatever that means. Is that a running count of how many have been ordered so far? (last five digits). Status is Backordered shipping 3 09
What is the consensus advice now, since I like pcgs slabs...do I not open it and sent it right in for slabbing?
May want to delete the last 3 numbers. ..........................So the mint is waiting for the book and have the coins Trash the book,send coin..........Mint waiting on delivery problem..Bill me $50 for postage, just send it...............Oh well, just wait,that is all can do.
At this rate any of the 3 or 4 known UHR graded FS will be going for "Moon Money", no matter what the grade. So what do the TPG's do in a case like this? They cant really extend the FS deadline that would not be fair to the individuals that have theirs already, but then it shuts everyone else out.
"Well here's another nice mess you have gotten me into" Oliver Hardy 1930
Coin World Online has a front page story about the Mint's shipping problems.
Basically, the new order fulfilment center in Indiana is being run by Pitney-Bowes. When you call the Mint's ordering number, you are speaking with Pitney-Bowes.
They have been shipping everything via UPS, coded "No signature required." This is in conflict with the Mint's official policy that anything over $300 has to have a signature.
It sounds like they have temporarily suspended all shipping while they figure out what they are doing wrong.
(BTW, in my opinion Coin World Online is well worth the money!)
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>There is no reason to write a letter to the MInt Directors office, you will get a standard form letter saying they are sorry.
I just called the Mint myself a 11:44 eastern time today and now my order has been pushback until March 13 2009 and the Supervisor tells me that the date she just gave me is still not guaranteed.
So people we are in for a long wait on these.
Also the Mint Super told me that NONE have been ship out.. She told me there might be a huge delay until they get their shipping policy corrected. I ask her what is wrong with the shipping of these coins, she said they have had some problems on getting other shipments to customers and a lot of items being stolen with no traces available. She then said if I remember at the begining of my order of lthis UHR coin it was stated so to be available between 6/9 months and they are sticking to this agreement. >>
Has anyone tried to call and when told that they have shipped none provide Charlie's order number? Then ask them why that one has been shipped out along with others? And then ask how they determine that certain people need the monetary bonus they provide? Then ask about the promised first in first out?
I would like to see what they have to say to that!
<< <i>Obviously you all failed to read my brilliant and insightful post on the matters at hand (see about 20 posts up). >>
It was a wonderful guess. This confirms it, and adds detail!
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>I have not seen the cut off date for first strike yet , does anyone have this info ?
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs . Dan >>
I doubt it has anything to do with wondercoins complaint as he didnt complain until feb 12th and the first uhrs seemed to have been shipped on the feb 6th.
The mint should have shipped more on monday the 9th-thursday the 12th and even if they only shipped 100 per day that would be 300-400 more coins out there and besides one member here no one else has reported receiving one.
Also the mint tends to get credit card approval the day they ship a item. Many reported their cc's had approval holds for the urh funds placed on monday the 9th.
<< <i>Well, the coins aren't UHR... but I wonder if this is indicative of things to come...
My Lincoln Anniversary's ordered early that afternoon (am in Mint time) have now been backordered and show a shipping date of "April 01," which is what shows on their product page.
This is NOT an acceptable service level.
>>
Since the order status page has not been working for the last 2 days, how do you know that your order is affected? April 1 shipping date started about 2/13 for orders placed since.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way
UHR Ordered on 1/22/09 @ 12:08PM Status: Received ... sent to grading
<< <i>I have not seen the cut off date for first strike yet , does anyone have this info ?
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs . Dan >>
I doubt it has anything to do with wondercoins complaint as he didnt complain until feb 12th and the first uhrs seemed to have been shipped on the feb 6th.
The mint should have shipped more on monday the 9th-thursday the 12th and even if they only shipped 100 per day that would be 300-400 more coins out there and besides one member here no one else has reported receiving one. >>
I don't want to argue and or acuse . It is very likely that 300-400 coins were shipped maybe more ,
just because only one member out of 40,000 first day orders has said they recieved their coin really means
nothing . What bothers me is the mint has said over and over that NO coin's have neen shipped . It seems
like the proof we had ( order #9101942 ) is no longer available . I would like to see PCGS state a date
for first stike , which would be proof that the mint could care less how their image precieved . To set the
record straight , I'am glad that wondercoin made those phone calls , dropping off packages without a
signature is a crock .
Dan
Fishing is not a matter of life and death.......It's much more important than that........
Strange that the mint got approvals on so many cc's on monday the 9th and remove the cancel boxes only to send nothing. Its almost like they were going to then changed their mind.
Submission # 9101939 is me. PCGS has the UHR (confirmed by me by phone with PCGS). Please note I have no reason why my order shipped. I am inclined to think it has to do with the book marked as canceled. You recall we started with differant dates on the UHR and the book. Then the two came together on ship dates. My order said canceled on the book but the book arrived in the box ? A guess (please note this) is they updated orders by batches and somehow mine was not updated. That made it fall out of sequence as nothing was holding the oder (as others had a date on the book later than the UHR). I wonder what the ship info looks like on the order that was shipped and delivered on 02/06? I have have others ordered thru faimily members. The last time I looked (before the web site went partially offline) 2 show in process with the cancel button gone. 1 shows a later date, on hold with a cancel button.
With so many members citing cancel button gone and order in in process seems like the mint is getting ready to ship a large amount of the UHR.
Comments
<< <i>My 0.02 and suspicions FWIW
It appears that only a handful of the UHRs have been released. I have a succinct feeling, in light of Wondercoin's discussions with management at the Mint regarding the lack of signed receipt for the packages coming out of the mint, that all shipments have ceased until this problem has been resolved with their new carrier and distribution system. Knowing how fast government works, these coins might not be released for quite some time and that the window for FS might close before any sizeable quantity reach the public. Let's face it, if the managemint at the Mint had been handling the military aspects of WW2, we'd all be speaking Japanese and German.
We'll know more this week, but if the board isn't popping with "I've got mine" type of posts, then we'll know that something is amiss and Charlie might just have hit the jackpot. >>
Actually I do speak Japanese and German - at least to some extent.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Looks like someone got one in.
http://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=20275240 >>
Thanks. That is interesting. What is with the "no grade available" designation. If you send it in to PCGS for "1st Strike" designation don't you also get a grade?????? >>
Hey, you're obviously not a newbie with a 2,000 + post count and a name like northcoin, how come you don't already know this stuff? Been away on a Long vacation? Not making fun but I've been around a little bit and don't remember you prior to this thread...
Hi. Always something new to learn. All of my PCGS coins have come to me already slabbed and I have never sent a contemporary U.S. Mint product in for grading before - though I can see why the UHR may merit an exception unless the 30 days runs out before most of us here get ours.
"This feature is temporarily unavailable. Please call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468) if you would like to track an order. We apologize for this inconvenience."
has anyone noticed that the track your order page at the mint is down? I wonder if they are going to fix the bug, or just tired of people complaining that its wrong so they took it down.
So hopefully the coin comes soon.
Death to First Strike!!!
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
<< <i>I was asked to write, "900" >>
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
<< <i>Looking at the bright side of the delay - if it drags on for another couple weeks, the "First Strike" window will close. What better way to expose the absurdity of "First Strike" as the contrived pretender that it is? A giant batch of coins all minted in the same time period, but the vast majority won't qualify for the hallowed title just because of a mint shipping snafu. If that doesn't prove there is no difference between a FS and a non-FS, nothing will.
Death to First Strike!!! >>
It will only make the the first few more cash. It won't change anything.
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
<< <i>Whats the total mintage going to be? >>
I suspect only as many as available planchets will allow.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
<< <i>There were a fews years and a few different gold coin series of which this was one of them that the first 1,000 minted was sent directly by the BRM to PCGS for grading and slabbing as first stuck for the year:
Now THIS has some real collecting interest versus the ridiculous Non-First-Strike concept. Thanks for sharing that.
<< <i>
<< <i>There were a fews years and a few different gold coin series of which this was one of them that the first 1,000 minted was sent directly by the BRM to PCGS for grading and slabbing as first stuck for the year:
Now THIS has some real collecting interest versus the ridiculous Non-First-Strike concept. Thanks for sharing that. >>
. >>
I don't know. There would still be some that would argue that a MS69 is a MS69, whether the 23rd struck or the 10,000th. Cover the label and how would one tell the difference?
<< <i>OK almost 12 whole hours with no new posts......I just could not resist
<< <i>
Thank you for your enquiry
We certainly do make the blanks for US mint but under contract we are not permitted to sell these blanks
You will need to contact US Mint direct >>
My Lincoln Anniversary's ordered early that afternoon (am in Mint time) have now been backordered and show a shipping date of "April 01," which is what shows on their product page.
This is NOT an acceptable service level.
<< <i>
Since there are two different submission numbers in the process of being graded at PCGS with UHR's, I'd say you were spot on.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
-Paul
my book showed "backordered" for a day or two after the coin showed "in stock and reserved."
it then went to "in stock and reserved," and that was a week or so ago.
they need to come up with some consistent BS to tell people.
Actually, I've been more appreciative of the reps that have been as frustrated as I am and who suggested writing a letter to the mint director's office.
<< <i>Yah Yah Yah,
my book showed "backordered" for a day or two after the coin showed "in stock and reserved."
it then went to "in stock and reserved," and that was a week or so ago.
they need to come up with some consistent BS to tell people.
Actually, I've been more appreciative of the reps that have been as frustrated as I am and who suggested writing a letter to the mint director's office. >>
There is no reason to write a letter to the MInt Directors office, you will get a standard form letter saying they are sorry.
I just called the Mint myself a 11:44 eastern time today and now my order has been pushback until March 13 2009 and the Supervisor tells me that the date she just gave me is still not guaranteed.
So people we are in for a long wait on these.
Also the Mint Super told me that NONE have been ship out.. She told me there might be a huge delay until they get their shipping policy corrected. I ask her what is wrong with the shipping of these coins, she said they have had some problems on getting other shipments to customers and a lot of items being stolen with no traces available. She then said if I remember at the begining of my order of lthis UHR coin it was stated so to be available between 6/9 months and they are sticking to this agreement.
As of Noon today, I'm still unable to track my order...the Mint's system is still down.
I guess if all else fails...pull the plug!
What is the consensus advice now, since I like pcgs slabs...do I not open it and sent it right in for slabbing?
I kid you not.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
BST successful dealings with:MsMorrisine, goldman86
go back to FedEx only.
duh.
Basically, the new order fulfilment center in Indiana is being run by Pitney-Bowes. When you call the Mint's ordering number, you are speaking with Pitney-Bowes.
They have been shipping everything via UPS, coded "No signature required." This is in conflict with the Mint's official policy that anything over $300 has to have a signature.
It sounds like they have temporarily suspended all shipping while they figure out what they are doing wrong.
(BTW, in my opinion Coin World Online is well worth the money!)
TD
<< <i>There is no reason to write a letter to the MInt Directors office, you will get a standard form letter saying they are sorry.
I just called the Mint myself a 11:44 eastern time today and now my order has been pushback until March 13 2009 and the Supervisor tells me that the date she just gave me is still not guaranteed.
So people we are in for a long wait on these.
Also the Mint Super told me that NONE have been ship out.. She told me there might be a huge delay until they get their shipping policy corrected. I ask her what is wrong with the shipping of these coins, she said they have had some problems on getting other shipments to customers and a lot of items being stolen with no traces available. She then said if I remember at the begining of my order of lthis UHR coin it was stated so to be available between 6/9 months and they are sticking to this agreement.
Has anyone tried to call and when told that they have shipped none provide Charlie's order number? Then ask them why that one has been shipped out along with others? And then ask how they determine that certain people need the monetary bonus they provide? Then ask about the promised first in first out?
I would like to see what they have to say to that!
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<< <i>Obviously you all failed to read my brilliant and insightful post on the matters at hand (see about 20 posts up). >>
It was a wonderful guess.
This confirms it, and adds detail!
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Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs .
Dan
<< <i>I have not seen the cut off date for first strike yet , does anyone have this info ?
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs .
Dan >>
I suspect the order #'s may have been removed from a " shared order status" to private?
<< <i>I have not seen the cut off date for first strike yet , does anyone have this info ?
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs .
Dan >>
I doubt it has anything to do with wondercoins complaint as he didnt complain until feb 12th and the first uhrs seemed to have been shipped on the feb 6th.
The mint should have shipped more on monday the 9th-thursday the 12th and even if they only shipped 100 per day that would be 300-400 more coins out there and besides one member here no one else has reported receiving one.
Also the mint tends to get credit card approval the day they ship a item. Many reported their cc's had approval holds for the urh funds placed on monday the 9th.
<< <i>Well, the coins aren't UHR... but I wonder if this is indicative of things to come...
My Lincoln Anniversary's ordered early that afternoon (am in Mint time) have now been backordered and show a shipping date of "April 01," which is what shows on their product page.
This is NOT an acceptable service level.
Since the order status page has not been working for the last 2 days, how do you know that your order is affected? April 1 shipping date started about 2/13 for orders placed since.
<< <i>I have not seen the cut off date for first strike yet , does anyone have this info ?
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs .
Dan >>
So it is Wondercoin's fault the coins haven't shipped!!!
Joe
Status: Received
<< <i>
<< <i>I have not seen the cut off date for first strike yet , does anyone have this info ?
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................
Is there something going on besides wondercoin blowing the whistle on UPS drop and runs .
Dan >>
I doubt it has anything to do with wondercoins complaint as he didnt complain until feb 12th and the first uhrs seemed to have been shipped on the feb 6th.
The mint should have shipped more on monday the 9th-thursday the 12th and even if they only shipped 100 per day that would be 300-400 more coins out there and besides one member here no one else has reported receiving one. >>
I don't want to argue and or acuse . It is very likely that 300-400 coins were shipped maybe more ,
just because only one member out of 40,000 first day orders has said they recieved their coin really means
nothing . What bothers me is the mint has said over and over that NO coin's have neen shipped . It seems
like the proof we had ( order #9101942 ) is no longer available . I would like to see PCGS state a date
for first stike , which would be proof that the mint could care less how their image precieved . To set the
record straight , I'am glad that wondercoin made those phone calls , dropping off packages without a
signature is a crock .
Dan
Its almost like they were going to then changed their mind.
<< <i>
Also I went into shared orders and it seems that submission #9101942 has vanished......
Also could not locate CharlieC's order #9101939....................Dan >>
CharlieC's order hadn't appeared by the end of Friday's business. More than likely it will appear after the Holiday weekend.
<< <i> It seems like the proof we had ( order #9101942 ) is no longer available .
Dan >>
This order is still showing in the shared orders as of 2 minutes ago. Here is a screen shot of that submission.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Submission # 9101939 is me. PCGS has the UHR (confirmed by me by phone with PCGS). Please note I have no reason why my order shipped. I am inclined to think it has to do with the book marked as canceled. You recall we started with differant dates on the UHR and the book.
Then the two came together on ship dates. My order said canceled on the book but the book arrived in the box ? A guess (please note this) is they updated orders by batches and somehow mine was not updated. That made it fall out of sequence as nothing was holding the oder (as others had a date on the book later than the UHR). I wonder what the ship info looks like on the order that was shipped and delivered on 02/06? I have have others ordered thru faimily members. The last time I looked (before the web site went partially offline) 2 show in process with the cancel button gone. 1 shows a later date, on hold with a cancel button.
With so many members citing cancel button gone and order in in process seems like the mint is getting ready to ship a large amount of the UHR.
Charlie.
http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=5600&universeid=313&type=1
It's a 70, First Strike.
Charlie.