I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW
<< <i>I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way >>
Without a doubt, in my mind.
NO regular Eagles on the schedule???!
They want change? They should be careful what they wish for.
<< <i>I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW >>
That doesn't explain the e-mail I received this weekend changing my ship date on the Lincoln Commmems out to April 01, but the product page has changed from 4/1 to 3/3. {Do they know what they are doing to us?}
Nor does it explain why it's taken over 1 month to "find" a return Signed for at the new Indy mint facility. {signature visible online} Insurance doesn't do me any good since the mint signed for it. {Thanks!}
First it was their new online provider and their sending out new product announcements -after- they were released, if at all, and it has quickly gone down hill to this.
<< <i>I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW >>
I mean they couldnt just send the booklet later. LMAO
<< <i>There is no reason to write a letter to the MInt Directors office, you will get a standard form letter saying they are sorry.
I just called the Mint myself a 11:44 eastern time today and now my order has been pushback until March 13 2009 and the Supervisor tells me that the date she just gave me is still not guaranteed.
So people we are in for a long wait on these.
Also the Mint Super told me that NONE have been ship out.. She told me there might be a huge delay until they get their shipping policy corrected. I ask her what is wrong with the shipping of these coins, she said they have had some problems on getting other shipments to customers and a lot of items being stolen with no traces available. She then said if I remember at the begining of my order of lthis UHR coin it was stated so to be available between 6/9 months and they are sticking to this agreement. >>
Has anyone tried to call and when told that they have shipped none provide Charlie's order number? Then ask them why that one has been shipped out along with others? And then ask how they determine that certain people need the monetary bonus they provide? Then ask about the promised first in first out?
I would like to see what they have to say to that! >>
Everything you ask is irrelevant, particularly at the CS level you are talking to if you call. They don't control the shipment nor who gets what. Shoving someone's order # in their face, in spite of the fact that they can't control your order, does no good.
As for the "monetary bonus" being provided....they don't care/control that either and if someone was whining like that to me, and I had ANY control over things, I would cancel/delay theirs right then and there. Grow up! It's a gamble and should be treated as such. Sometimes you score and sometimes you don't.
<< <i>I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way >>
People forget that the government confiscated gold to get us off the gold standard. The Government could care less about gold.
Obviously, kudos to Charlie and the first FS MS70!!!!!
Now the question is - when does the 30 day clock FS clock start ticking?
Will PCGS take a different position on the start of this 30 day window ....
Let's face it, the USM has tremendous problems with shipping right now.......some have suggested they take classes at the Amazon.com school of shipping several thousand orders per day.....
All kidding aside, Charlie's order was placed at the 1:00pm hour (per his own admission), based on the order numbers, there are several thousand orders placed before his........I guess the FIFO method wasn't adhered to.....
My recommendation........My opinion.........I did not hear this from anyone.........
So why wouldn't any order # placed prior to Charlie's (if no more coins are received by customers before the normal 30 day window were to elapse) no matter when received, if shipped in sealed box, should be eligible for FS......
<< <i>I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way >>
People forget that the government confiscated gold to get us off the gold standard. The Government could care less about gold. >>
If that were true it would not have been a national emergency to confiscate it - The Roosevelt Gold Confiscation Order They confiscated the gold and then devalued the dollar by 40%. They confiscated the gold simply because they didn't want anyone to 'get a free lunch' when it RV'd. That's what socialists do, they pick the winners and losers, so bye bye capitalism. We did not come off the gold standard officially until Nixon threw it away in '71 after the gold pool threatened to wipe out our reserves and things moved to a float. And here we are today, having doubled the monetary base in a matter of months - thats double what the entire money base grew to from 1971-2008. If gold doesn't appreciate, there will be nothing available to absorb the liquidity that is about to hit us like a tidal wave... so they better learn to re-appreciate gold soon (no pun intended)!!
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<< <i>and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame. >>
And, you think PCGS cares about the delays....why? They have their business model for 1st strike, they have their way of doing things. They don't control the mint nor control people who submit or not.
Personally I bought the UHR as an investment. I ordered early (just like thousands of other collectors). The First Strike label may not change the coin but it does add to investment value. If my coin ships after the cut off date, I will be sending it back. I don't care who screwed up, the Mint, UPS, difficulty with securing gold planchets, or even PCGS failing to take into account delayed shipments for First Strike label.
For me the UHR was always going to be an investment purchase. Without the First Strike, the coin is not as good an investment.
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would you want your business to be hit with thousands of coins at once or spread out?
Of course they'll take their time, and it won't be their fault, but this is going to be like a couple of loaded busses pulling into a restaurant for lunch.
<< <i>Personally I bought the UHR as an investment. I ordered early (just like thousands of other collectors). The First Strike label may not change the coin but it does add to investment value. If my coin ships after the cut off date, I will be sending it back. I don't care who screwed up, the Mint, UPS, difficulty with securing gold planchets, or even PCGS failing to take into account delayed shipments for First Strike label.
For me the UHR was always going to be an investment purchase. Without the First Strike, the coin is not as good an investment. >>
call and let them know that. those just may be the words spoken on my next call..... tomorrow. (every day for the last few days)
<< <i>and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame. >>
And, you think PCGS cares about the delays....why? They have their business model for 1st strike, they have their way of doing things. They don't control the mint nor control people who submit or not. >>
I find it hard to believe that the even the Mint can't fix the shipping issue and ship out the coins before March 7th which would be 30 days.
As long as the ship date is before March 7th they will qualify for First Stirke if sent in the sealed box.
<< <i>Obviously, kudos to Charlie and the first FS MS70!!!!!
All kidding aside, Charlie's order was placed at the 1:00pm hour (per his own admission), based on the order numbers, there are several thousand orders placed before his........I guess the FIFO method wasn't adhered to.....
Comments? >>
Maybe he lives in Nova Scotia, and that was 1 PM Atlantic time? LOL
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<< <i>and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame. >>
And, you think PCGS cares about the delays....why? They have their business model for 1st strike, they have their way of doing things. They don't control the mint nor control people who submit or not. >>
I find it hard to believe that the even the Mint can't fix the shipping issue and ship out the coins before March 7th which would be 30 days.
As long as the ship date is before March 7th they will qualify for First Stirke if sent in the sealed box.
Joe >>
What is with the "sealed box." How can you even confirm you received what you ordered unless you open the box? How can you document the quality of your coin (for example photographing it) to insure there isn't some mix-up when it comes back to you from the graders?
<< <i>I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW >>
I mean they couldnt just send the booklet later. LMAO >>
I won't say how I know but they, supposedly, have all the books and boxes they need to fill orders.
<< <i>Seriously, what are you guys going to bitch about when you finally do get your orders? >>
There will always be those stupid Lincoln pennies with the alternative sketches, rather than numismatic sculptures, on the back that cost our government 1.6 cents each to manufacture.
I had a long discussion with the Mint phone customer service supervisor and funny thing there are only 2 in the freaking new building. They take calls and shipments out of the new location they are in.
I told the super/agent I was pissed with the run around about no coins being shipped out and turned her on to the PCGS.com website. She was shock to view the graded coin in front of her own eyes..
Also I told her about a possible news release in Coin World magazine in the next few days or weeks about the general public knowing the behind the scenes problems you are having at your new location. The shipping of valuable coins with no sig required.
Now a customer gets a coin/UHR, has it graded before someone else ordered theirs way before this guy Charley, it is not right..
There is a major breakdown in the system that will probably cost the mint money in the long term, with returns to the hilt of coins recycled at your place of business.
<< <i>You are correct, the mint super told me this today, it will not be back up until they get a firm gripe of the recent failures in their systems.. >>
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<< <i>I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way
Without a doubt, in my mind.
NO regular Eagles on the schedule???!
They want change? They should be careful what they wish for.
Change can turn to another revolution.
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Speaking strictly for myself, it might be a VERY wise move to hang on to that FS for a while.
but I think that you already know this.
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<< <i>I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW >>
That doesn't explain the e-mail I received this weekend changing my ship date on the Lincoln Commmems out to April 01, but the product page has changed from 4/1 to 3/3. {Do they know what they are doing to us?}
Nor does it explain why it's taken over 1 month to "find" a return Signed for at the new Indy mint facility. {signature visible online} Insurance doesn't do me any good since the mint signed for it. {Thanks!}
First it was their new online provider and their sending out new product announcements -after- they were released, if at all, and it has quickly gone down hill to this.
<< <i>I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW >>
I mean they couldnt just send the booklet later. LMAO
<< <i>
<< <i>There is no reason to write a letter to the MInt Directors office, you will get a standard form letter saying they are sorry.
I just called the Mint myself a 11:44 eastern time today and now my order has been pushback until March 13 2009 and the Supervisor tells me that the date she just gave me is still not guaranteed.
So people we are in for a long wait on these.
Also the Mint Super told me that NONE have been ship out.. She told me there might be a huge delay until they get their shipping policy corrected. I ask her what is wrong with the shipping of these coins, she said they have had some problems on getting other shipments to customers and a lot of items being stolen with no traces available. She then said if I remember at the begining of my order of lthis UHR coin it was stated so to be available between 6/9 months and they are sticking to this agreement.
Has anyone tried to call and when told that they have shipped none provide Charlie's order number? Then ask them why that one has been shipped out along with others? And then ask how they determine that certain people need the monetary bonus they provide? Then ask about the promised first in first out?
I would like to see what they have to say to that! >>
Everything you ask is irrelevant, particularly at the CS level you are talking to if you call.
They don't control the shipment nor who gets what.
Shoving someone's order # in their face, in spite of the fact that they can't control your order, does no good.
As for the "monetary bonus" being provided....they don't care/control that either and if someone was whining like that to me, and I had ANY control over things, I would cancel/delay theirs right then and there. Grow up! It's a gamble and should be treated as such. Sometimes you score and sometimes you don't.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way
People forget that the government confiscated gold to get us off the gold standard. The Government could care less about gold.
Congrats Charlie.. now cmon mint get shippin'
Now the question is - when does the 30 day clock FS clock start ticking?
Will PCGS take a different position on the start of this 30 day window ....
Let's face it, the USM has tremendous problems with shipping right now.......some have suggested they take classes at the Amazon.com school of shipping several thousand orders per day.....
All kidding aside, Charlie's order was placed at the 1:00pm hour (per his own admission), based on the order numbers, there are several thousand orders placed before his........I guess the FIFO method wasn't adhered to.....
My recommendation........My opinion.........I did not hear this from anyone.........
So why wouldn't any order # placed prior to Charlie's (if no more coins are received by customers before the normal 30 day window were to elapse) no matter when received, if shipped in sealed box, should be eligible for FS......
Comments?
Congrats Charlie
I just called to confirm the "bad book" story and the rep had no idea what I was talking about.
the rep. said they were both in-stock at the warehouse, and even went on to say they might go out today or tomorrow.
<< <i>when does the 30 day clock FS clock start ticking? >>
It started on February 6. SportsModerator1 confirmed this, I believe.
It is unfortunate if a shipping snafu pushes some folks past the deadline. That is not the fault of PCGS.
This is one of the ways that rarity can be created.
Why should PCGS make a variance here? They should stick to their guns.
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<< <i>I smell another 1933 in the works... I guess the 4 double eagles we know about will end up going to an Egyptian king and the European underground right before the great Obama confiscation is under way
People forget that the government confiscated gold to get us off the gold standard. The Government could care less about gold. >>
If that were true it would not have been a national emergency to confiscate it - The Roosevelt Gold Confiscation Order They confiscated the gold and then devalued the dollar by 40%. They confiscated the gold simply because they didn't want anyone to 'get a free lunch' when it RV'd. That's what socialists do, they pick the winners and losers, so bye bye capitalism. We did not come off the gold standard officially until Nixon threw it away in '71 after the gold pool threatened to wipe out our reserves and things moved to a float. And here we are today, having doubled the monetary base in a matter of months - thats double what the entire money base grew to from 1971-2008. If gold doesn't appreciate, there will be nothing available to absorb the liquidity that is about to hit us like a tidal wave... so they better learn to re-appreciate gold soon (no pun intended)!!
Status: Received
and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame.
<< <i>and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame. >>
And, you think PCGS cares about the delays....why?
They have their business model for 1st strike, they have their way of doing things. They don't control the mint nor control people who submit or not.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
For me the UHR was always going to be an investment purchase. Without the First Strike, the coin is not as good an investment.
would you want your business to be hit with thousands of coins at once or spread out?
Of course they'll take their time, and it won't be their fault, but this is going to be like a couple of loaded busses pulling into a restaurant for lunch.
<< <i>Personally I bought the UHR as an investment. I ordered early (just like thousands of other collectors). The First Strike label may not change the coin but it does add to investment value. If my coin ships after the cut off date, I will be sending it back. I don't care who screwed up, the Mint, UPS, difficulty with securing gold planchets, or even PCGS failing to take into account delayed shipments for First Strike label.
For me the UHR was always going to be an investment purchase. Without the First Strike, the coin is not as good an investment. >>
call and let them know that. those just may be the words spoken on my next call..... tomorrow. (every day for the last few days)
<< <i>
<< <i>and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame. >>
And, you think PCGS cares about the delays....why?
They have their business model for 1st strike, they have their way of doing things. They don't control the mint nor control people who submit or not. >>
I find it hard to believe that the even the Mint can't fix the shipping issue and ship out the coins before March 7th which would be 30 days.
As long as the ship date is before March 7th they will qualify for First Stirke if sent in the sealed box.
Joe
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
<< <i>I may have missed it in an earlier post but....did Charlie get the book? >>
Yes he did.
Joe
<< <i>I think you have to have it postmarked to the mint by the 6th or 7th of March. >>
For PCGS they either:
1) get it by the cut-off date
-or-
2) the sealed box has a ship date on or before the cut-off date and they get it afterwards.
<< <i>Obviously, kudos to Charlie and the first FS MS70!!!!!
All kidding aside, Charlie's order was placed at the 1:00pm hour (per his own admission), based on the order numbers, there are several thousand orders placed before his........I guess the FIFO method wasn't adhered to.....
Comments? >>
Maybe he lives in Nova Scotia, and that was 1 PM Atlantic time?
LOL
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>and if we do manage to get them shipped next week, PCGS is going to HATE the flood they are going to get.
I'm going to put a copy of all the delay e-mails in the box so they know whom to blame. >>
And, you think PCGS cares about the delays....why?
They have their business model for 1st strike, they have their way of doing things. They don't control the mint nor control people who submit or not. >>
I find it hard to believe that the even the Mint can't fix the shipping issue and ship out the coins before March 7th which would be 30 days.
As long as the ship date is before March 7th they will qualify for First Stirke if sent in the sealed box.
Joe >>
What is with the "sealed box." How can you even confirm you received what you ordered unless you open the box? How can you document the quality of your coin (for example photographing it) to insure there isn't some mix-up when it comes back to you from the graders?
<< <i>
<< <i>I spoke with a mint employee on Friday about my order for the UHR. I ordered mine around 5:30, or so on the first day. My order had been "on hold" ever since, and on "backorder". It went into "in stock and reserved" but still had cancel boxes, and still said "on hold". The guy I spoke to sounded very knowledgeable about the whole UHR fiasco. He speaks all the time to the people who do the preparation and shipping of orders. According to this guy, the latest shipment of the booklets that go with the coin were found to be defective. He stated the booklets all had major creases in the paper. He said it was around 35,000 booklets. He said that when they got these booklets replaced, the shipping would resume. He also said he had one of the coins on order, and has had to wait with his status "on hold" as well. FWIW >>
I mean they couldnt just send the booklet later. LMAO >>
I won't say how I know but they, supposedly, have all the books and boxes they need to fill orders.
Camelot
<< <i>Seriously, what are you guys going to bitch about when you finally do get your orders? >>
There will always be those stupid Lincoln pennies with the alternative sketches, rather than numismatic sculptures, on the back that cost our government 1.6 cents each to manufacture.
<< <i>Seriously, what are you guys going to bitch about when you finally do get your orders? >>
the next orders that will be delayed a month
Just 10 more
I told the super/agent I was pissed with the run around about no coins being shipped out and turned her on to the PCGS.com website. She was shock to view the graded coin in front of her own eyes..
Also I told her about a possible news release in Coin World magazine in the next few days or weeks about the general public knowing the behind the scenes problems you are having at your new location. The shipping of valuable coins with no sig required.
Now a customer gets a coin/UHR, has it graded before someone else ordered theirs way before this guy Charley, it is not right..
There is a major breakdown in the system that will probably cost the mint money in the long term, with returns to the hilt of coins recycled at your place of business.
Not a happy few months at the U.S.Mint
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<< <i>Seriously, what are you guys going to bitch about when you finally do get your orders? >>
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Haha, how bout the registered mail shipping times to PCGS??
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<< <i>considering everything, I'm beginning to suspect it's down on purpose to reduce calls. >>
You are correct, the mint super told me this today, it will not be back up until they get a firm gripe of the recent failures in their systems..
<< <i>Who is up for the Palladium version next year? I still can't believe they are going to do that! >>
If it looks nice, maybe I'll get one. It'll be cheaper than the gold one, anyway.
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<< <i>You are correct, the mint super told me this today, it will not be back up until they get a firm gripe of the recent failures in their systems.. >>
I think they've already been getting that.
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