@mvs7 - really like the Peru coin - love the design. Anyone ever read the Patrick O'brien Aubrey/Maturin series, i.e Master and Commander? Reminds me of the later books in that series.
@Boosibri - really stunning coin - did you just acquire from or just trade to CRO?
@bigjpst said:
I had one in NGC 58 I think I posted in this thread. Same coin?
How far back? It's a long thread... Did you just sell it recently in a late-April Heritage weekly auction? The NGC cert was
5744106-011 before crossing to PCGS.
@Bob13 said: @mvs7 - really like the Peru coin - love the design. Anyone ever read the Patrick O'brien Aubrey/Maturin series, i.e Master and Commander? Reminds me of the later books in that series.
Thanks! I've read a few books in that series long, long ago. I see where you are coming from though. I'm sure the sculptor/engraver was just sitting around with some grog, wondering what else he could fit on the reverse.
@Bob13 said: @mvs7 - really like the Peru coin - love the design. Anyone ever read the Patrick O'brien Aubrey/Maturin series, i.e Master and Commander? Reminds me of the later books in that series.
@Boosibri - really stunning coin - did you just acquire from or just trade to CRO?
@pruebas said:
It’s still Thursday night down here in Mexico. Just picked up this circulated pattern 1/2R in tonight’s auction catalogued as an “uncatalogued regular issue.”
In reality it’s another of the Durango patterns from French dies. Somebody apparently threw it in circulation.
Better photos once it’s been graded & TV’d by our hosts.
@scubafuel said:
Nice! Did you choose not to have the Whittier provenance added? What’s your feeling on the desirability of that name?
I didnt ask to have it removed nor did I ask to have it kept. I am somewhat indifferent to the Whittier provenance but would also be interested in the sentiment from the forum.
One of my favorites. Most, if not all, 1831 CR F 8 Reales we’re struck over other coins. In this case, the earlier piece had been countermarked by the Army of the North during the Mexican War for Independence. No doubt unique, and the most dramatically visible undertype for the entire issue.
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@MrEureka said:
One of my favorites. Most, if not all, 1831 CR F 8 Reales we’re struck over other coins. In this case, the earlier piece had been countermarked by the Army of the North during the Mexican War for Independence. No doubt unique, and the most dramatically visible undertype for the entire issue.
@MrEureka said:
One of my favorites. Most, if not all, 1831 CR F 8 Reales we’re struck over other coins. In this case, the earlier piece had been countermarked by the Army of the North during the Mexican War for Independence. No doubt unique, and the most dramatically visible undertype for the entire issue.
By the way, did you notice there seems to have been potentially another counterstamp on the host? You can see the reverse effect / flattening to the right of the NORTE stamp.
Here are a couple of newps for me. Thanks @Bob13 for parting with these.
@TwoKopeiki said:
By the way, did you notice there seems to have been potentially another counterstamp on the host? You can see the reverse effect / flattening to the right of the NORTE stamp.
I don’t think it’s flattening. I think it’s a bit of silver applied by CR to bring the planchet up to proper weight. Interestingly, there is a small mark on the added metal. I’m not sure what caused it.
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Allow me to introduce some Brazilian coins into this thread.
I first saw this type in a Medina plate, but did not find any text to go with it to explain. For some time, I thought it was some kind of Mexican private pattern or fantasy because of the legend Rio Grandensse. Or maybe even related to Texas. (Note the 1835 date, which is significant in Texas history.) But I could never find the coin for sale anywhere, nor any record of one.
Years later, a pair in silver and brass came up in a Ponterio sale and I won them. I was surprised to find out they were Brazilian, but by then, I had it in my mind that I wanted them regardless.
Later still, during the Morton & Eden sale of the Huntington Collection (formerly at the ANS), another nicer pair, in the same silver and brass, came up for sale. As I had enough bids in that sale and Brazil isn't a focus area for me, I just kept my inferior specimens, which I have just had graded. My pair and the pair in Huntington are the only examples of this mysterious fantasy pattern I have ever seen or even heard about. And curiously, my silver specimen weighs a full 9 grams more than the Huntington silver example.
They are apparently in Fonrobert (as #8872), but I don't own the Brazilian section of Fonrobert and frankly, wouldn't have known to look under Brazil.
Here is the background from the Morton & Eden catalog:
Following the Farroupilha Rebellion on the 20th September 1835 an independent state was proclaimed on the 11th September 1836 by Antônio de Souza Netto. The new state, which occupied an area approximating to that of the modern state of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil, was initially called the República do Piratini and later the República Riograndese [sic]. Following the fall of the rebel strongholds of Caçapava, Bagé and Alegrete, the Republic, which had never been officially recognised, was dissolved on 1 March 1845 and became part of the Brazilian Empire again following the Treaty of Ponche Verde.
@pruebas said:
Allow me to introduce some Brazilian coins into this thread.
Interesting. Not knowing anything about the coins or the history, I would not have guessed Brazil or Mexico.
One was plated in a Medina book on Latin America, and perhaps it was among Mexican coins, I don't remember. It was probably the Rio Grande[nsse] part that made me think Mexico/Texas.
Interestingly, PCGS put the date in quotes. Being that they are in Medina and Fonrobert, they are certainly 19th Century creations. Maybe they feel like they are post-1835?
@Boosibri Wikipedia wasn't around back then. We had to crank our cars by hand and shovel coal into the furnace at 5am.... I never thought about it again until seeing it at Ponterio in 2012.
I have a Bolivian proc with a very similar obverse design, so I might think Bolivia if I came across it today.
@pruebas said: @Boosibri Wikipedia wasn't around back then. We had to crank our cars by hand and shovel coal into the furnace at 5am.... I never thought about it again until seeing it at Ponterio in 2012.
Well guess you should have put your Encarta CD in the ole Dell Pentium desktop and Checked it out.
@pruebas said: @Boosibri Wikipedia wasn't around back then. We had to crank our cars by hand and shovel coal into the furnace at 5am.... I never thought about it again until seeing it at Ponterio in 2012.
Well guess you should have put your Encarta CD in the ole Dell Pentium desktop and Checked it out.
The hands reminded me of Argentina.
Nice distinct fingers in that one .😊
Great coin !
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Nice addition!
8 Reales Madness Collection
Really nice color on that piece, too!
@mvs7 - really like the Peru coin - love the design. Anyone ever read the Patrick O'brien Aubrey/Maturin series, i.e Master and Commander? Reminds me of the later books in that series.
@Boosibri - really stunning coin - did you just acquire from or just trade to CRO?
My current "Box of 20"
I had one in NGC 58 I think I posted in this thread. Same coin?
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How far back? It's a long thread...
Did you just sell it recently in a late-April Heritage weekly auction? The NGC cert was
5744106-011 before crossing to PCGS.
Thanks! I've read a few books in that series long, long ago. I see where you are coming from though. I'm sure the sculptor/engraver was just sitting around with some grog, wondering what else he could fit on the reverse.
Great looking old gold, and a 4E to boot with the nice pedigree. I love the darker halos around the devices. Nice piece!
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Awesome rare coin
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Nice coin !
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It was last July different cert
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Awesome example!
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Oh, and this one. Unattributed 1814/3.
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Great coins!
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Great coins in this thread.
Did I mentions how much I hate Photobucket. Sad what it has done to threads like this one in the older years.
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Nice looking toner!!
Just got the grade back on this from my crossover. N58 to P58, finest graded for the type.
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Very nice sunface; love it when the face itself has some depth due to full strike. 4R is particularly challenging... congrats!
Just starting to get into the darkside. One of my first purchases!
Not sure if this coin belongs in this thread.
I finally had the coin holdered by our hosts:
A couple of new-ish patterns from my Peruvian pattern collection courtesy of @MrEureka.
Struck in Paris, I believe (note the P mintmark), in silver. Which is odd, because the issued coins were in Cupronickel!
Yes it does belong in this thread because it’s your first dark side coin ! Congrats
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Newly graded and recently posted in another thread. Ex. Whittier not denoted on the label
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Nice! Did you choose not to have the Whittier provenance added? What’s your feeling on the desirability of that name?
I didnt ask to have it removed nor did I ask to have it kept. I am somewhat indifferent to the Whittier provenance but would also be interested in the sentiment from the forum.
Latin American Collection
My lone Heritage win from last week's auction.
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One of my favorites. Most, if not all, 1831 CR F 8 Reales we’re struck over other coins. In this case, the earlier piece had been countermarked by the Army of the North during the Mexican War for Independence. No doubt unique, and the most dramatically visible undertype for the entire issue.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
That's quite an incredible combination, Andy.
8 Reales Madness Collection
A M A Z I N G !
By the way, did you notice there seems to have been potentially another counterstamp on the host? You can see the reverse effect / flattening to the right of the NORTE stamp.
Here are a couple of newps for me. Thanks @Bob13 for parting with these.
8 Reales Madness Collection
That 8R is an old friend
Latin American Collection
I don’t think it’s flattening. I think it’s a bit of silver applied by CR to bring the planchet up to proper weight. Interestingly, there is a small mark on the added metal. I’m not sure what caused it.
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Fairly unique
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Military intelligence?
Definitely maybe
8 Reales Madness Collection
Allow me to introduce some Brazilian coins into this thread.
I first saw this type in a Medina plate, but did not find any text to go with it to explain. For some time, I thought it was some kind of Mexican private pattern or fantasy because of the legend Rio Grandensse. Or maybe even related to Texas. (Note the 1835 date, which is significant in Texas history.) But I could never find the coin for sale anywhere, nor any record of one.
Years later, a pair in silver and brass came up in a Ponterio sale and I won them. I was surprised to find out they were Brazilian, but by then, I had it in my mind that I wanted them regardless.
Later still, during the Morton & Eden sale of the Huntington Collection (formerly at the ANS), another nicer pair, in the same silver and brass, came up for sale. As I had enough bids in that sale and Brazil isn't a focus area for me, I just kept my inferior specimens, which I have just had graded. My pair and the pair in Huntington are the only examples of this mysterious fantasy pattern I have ever seen or even heard about. And curiously, my silver specimen weighs a full 9 grams more than the Huntington silver example.
They are apparently in Fonrobert (as #8872), but I don't own the Brazilian section of Fonrobert and frankly, wouldn't have known to look under Brazil.
Here is the background from the Morton & Eden catalog:
Following the Farroupilha Rebellion on the 20th September 1835 an independent state was proclaimed on the 11th September 1836 by Antônio de Souza Netto. The new state, which occupied an area approximating to that of the modern state of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil, was initially called the República do Piratini and later the República Riograndese [sic]. Following the fall of the rebel strongholds of Caçapava, Bagé and Alegrete, the Republic, which had never been officially recognised, was dissolved on 1 March 1845 and became part of the Brazilian Empire again following the Treaty of Ponche Verde.
And here are my examples:
Interesting. Not knowing anything about the coins or the history, I would not have guessed Brazil or Mexico.
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One was plated in a Medina book on Latin America, and perhaps it was among Mexican coins, I don't remember. It was probably the Rio Grande[nsse] part that made me think Mexico/Texas.
Interestingly, PCGS put the date in quotes. Being that they are in Medina and Fonrobert, they are certainly 19th Century creations. Maybe they feel like they are post-1835?
Argentina
Latin American Collection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riograndense_Republic
Latin American Collection
@Boosibri Wikipedia wasn't around back then. We had to crank our cars by hand and shovel coal into the furnace at 5am....
I never thought about it again until seeing it at Ponterio in 2012.
I have a Bolivian proc with a very similar obverse design, so I might think Bolivia if I came across it today.
Well guess you should have put your Encarta CD in the ole Dell Pentium desktop and Checked it out.
The hands reminded me of Argentina.
Latin American Collection
Nice distinct fingers in that one .😊
Great coin !
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.