Nope but a nice coin none the less. The 1733-MX/XM 4R ex. Norweb was the biggie. Very rare coin. If you click the link in my signature line you can see the Latin American collection I've put together.
Persuing choice countermarked coinage on 2 reales.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Here is a quickie pic of my 1774 Mexico 1/2 R. I am actually practicing with taking photographs with my IPhone and the lighting in my bathroom. I just have to hold it a bit more steady. LOL.
Persuing choice countermarked coinage on 2 reales.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Here's two patterns that just came from the slab factory.
The first one I've owned since 1998 and is the nicer of the two that I know about. Supposedly 5 exist. Note this is the "Long Ray" variety, so it's probably some kind of die trial of the reworked dies in 1911 by Charles Barber of the US Mint. To be honest, I think it may have been struck in the late 20th Century (1970s?) using dies still at the Mexico City Mint, but I have no way of proving it. (Comment: I was very surprised this only received a 62 grade as it has tons of luster, a good strike, and minimal marks on the obverse. The other one I know is a NGC 62 but it's been cleaned and is far inferior to this PCGS 62.)
The second I've owned for almost as long and has rather rather banged up edges, but is unique in this metal (not sure what metal it is, but I don't believe it's silver). It is the Krause and Buttrey-Hubbard plate coin. Supposedly one exists in copper, but I've never seen it. Both coins came from the same previous collection but via different paths.
#pruebas , those are awesome, You need to share more of your awesome patterns from Mexico
I really love that 1936 pattern peso you have you shared on a art deco post awhile back. have you ever shared that one here.........if not may I make a request as that is a beauty,
@OldEastside said:
#pruebas , those are awesome, You need to share more of your awesome patterns from Mexico
I really love that 1936 pattern peso you have you shared on a art deco post awhile back. have you ever shared that one here.........if not may I make a request as that is a beauty,
Steve
Steve, that would be this one:
But here's a more interesting pattern design that never saw the light of day. It was to be a 1925 100 Peso coin with 75 grams of gold (so that means 2.41 Troy oz. pure gold but a 0.900 fine coin of 83.33g). Like the 1936 Peso above, it was to depict Morelos in a bandana and had a similar varying-sized lettering. Imagine the heft of this thing! Double the weight of a 50 Peso gold Centennario.
I took this photo from a display of dies & hubs by the Mexican Mint at one of the Mexican Numismatic Conventions in Mexico City. Unfortunately, they only had the Morelos-side die (i.e. reverse in Mexican terminology).
Sorry for the poor photo above. It was taken through glass under less-than-ideal circumstances with my phone.
Here is a shot from further out depicting (left to right from top row): the 1925 100 Peso reverse hub described above, the 1936 Peso hub for the coin above, a 1966 Morelos Peso pattern design hub for which no coins are known (and perhaps none were struck), and finally a mini 1985/6 Morelos Peso pattern like the little SUD Pesito pattern that shows up periodically.
Whoa. Now that's a big, gorgeous chunk of history. All it's missing is a big "EB" punch in the field about 3:00 and I'd literally give my left testicle for it.
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@jgenn said:
ex 8 Reales Madness. My first attempt to image this beauty -- doesn't really bring out all the color but it does show off the sharp strike.
Jack, that one is a pain to image in a way that shows all the color (especially the reverse). Let me know how the crossover goes!
Here is another coin from the early "dark side". I managed to snag it not too long ago.
it is fairly scarce in a bit better grade than just "circulation use"
thank you, it is a tough one. The story which goes with it is worth to read....
I will post it in the next few days, on a different post so the purpose of the Thursday "Americas" theme would, not be tainted. trust me, it is an interesting, not every day, story.
@YQQ said:
thank you, it is a tough one. The story which goes with it is worth to read....
I will post it in the next few days, on a different post so the purpose of the Thursday "Americas" theme would, not be tainted. trust me, it is an interesting, not every day, story.
Looking forward to reading the story and broadening my numismatic horizons!
Wow! Really enjoying the view with everyone's different selections.
Boosibri: I knew that 2 reales had your name written all over it. There was a time, long ago, I would have challenged you on the 1774...nice going.
YQQ: very nice! Smooth, even color. Can't wait to hear your story.
Jgenn: live the 1777 8 Reales. A wonderful strike. Is that year typically better (strike) than usual?
Pruebas: Thats a beautiful silver restrike!
Tom B: beautiful 1909!
Here is one Im not sure if I posted? Does anyone know how to look up ones own post in a thread? I'm losing track of my own posts...
Persuing choice countermarked coinage on 2 reales.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Persuing choice countermarked coinage on 2 reales.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
@Weiss said:
Whoa. Now that's a big, gorgeous chunk of history. All it's missing is a big "EB" punch in the field about 3:00 and I'd literally give my left testicle for it.
That's not where an EB punch would likely appear. Regardless, if the coin were mine, with or without the punch, I would not be inclined to accept that particular trade.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Thank you SYL for the info.
I was aware that it is one of the better 1859's and not in bad shape considering its age.
what do you think the rarity and grade of this coin is?
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Nope but a nice coin none the less. The 1733-MX/XM 4R ex. Norweb was the biggie. Very rare coin. If you click the link in my signature line you can see the Latin American collection I've put together.
Latin American Collection
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
An older CRO purchase I still enjoy.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Here is a quickie pic of my 1774 Mexico 1/2 R. I am actually practicing with taking photographs with my IPhone and the lighting in my bathroom. I just have to hold it a bit more steady. LOL.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
1Bustcollector, that's a nice couple of 1/2 Reales.
Pile of Mexican gold (and a little silver) that I posted on the precious metals forum yesterday:
--Severian the Lame
--Severian the Lame
Modern Mexico 20 Centavos
Steve
I don't think I've ever shared this one with the boards-
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Nice TomB
Latin American Collection
Here's two patterns that just came from the slab factory.
The first one I've owned since 1998 and is the nicer of the two that I know about. Supposedly 5 exist. Note this is the "Long Ray" variety, so it's probably some kind of die trial of the reworked dies in 1911 by Charles Barber of the US Mint. To be honest, I think it may have been struck in the late 20th Century (1970s?) using dies still at the Mexico City Mint, but I have no way of proving it. (Comment: I was very surprised this only received a 62 grade as it has tons of luster, a good strike, and minimal marks on the obverse. The other one I know is a NGC 62 but it's been cleaned and is far inferior to this PCGS 62.)
The second I've owned for almost as long and has rather rather banged up edges, but is unique in this metal (not sure what metal it is, but I don't believe it's silver). It is the Krause and Buttrey-Hubbard plate coin. Supposedly one exists in copper, but I've never seen it. Both coins came from the same previous collection but via different paths.
Those are amazing, Pruebas!
8 Reales Madness Collection
#pruebas , those are awesome, You need to share more of your awesome patterns from Mexico
I really love that 1936 pattern peso you have you shared on a art deco post awhile back. have you ever shared that one here.........if not may I make a request as that is a beauty,
Steve
Steve, that would be this one:
But here's a more interesting pattern design that never saw the light of day. It was to be a 1925 100 Peso coin with 75 grams of gold (so that means 2.41 Troy oz. pure gold but a 0.900 fine coin of 83.33g). Like the 1936 Peso above, it was to depict Morelos in a bandana and had a similar varying-sized lettering. Imagine the heft of this thing! Double the weight of a 50 Peso gold Centennario.
I took this photo from a display of dies & hubs by the Mexican Mint at one of the Mexican Numismatic Conventions in Mexico City. Unfortunately, they only had the Morelos-side die (i.e. reverse in Mexican terminology).
Sorry for the poor photo above. It was taken through glass under less-than-ideal circumstances with my phone.
Here is a shot from further out depicting (left to right from top row): the 1925 100 Peso reverse hub described above, the 1936 Peso hub for the coin above, a 1966 Morelos Peso pattern design hub for which no coins are known (and perhaps none were struck), and finally a mini 1985/6 Morelos Peso pattern like the little SUD Pesito pattern that shows up periodically.
--Severian the Lame
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Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Latin American Collection
Whoa. Now that's a big, gorgeous chunk of history. All it's missing is a big "EB" punch in the field about 3:00 and I'd literally give my left testicle for it.
--Severian the Lame
ex 8 Reales Madness. My first attempt to image this beauty -- doesn't really bring out all the color but it does show off the sharp strike.
Latin American Collection
Just had this guy TrueViewed...
Latin American Collection
here is a interesting nickel coin from the "Dark Side".
Yes, it's only Nickel, but ???
ICCS graded MS 60
Does anyone recognize it?
Is that the mule with a New Zealand 50C?
8 Reales Madness Collection
Jack, that one is a pain to image in a way that shows all the color (especially the reverse). Let me know how the crossover goes!
8 Reales Madness Collection
Yes, It definitely is
Awesome!! Congrats. Tough coin based on what I've heard about it. First time seeing it for me, too!
8 Reales Madness Collection
Here is another coin from the early "dark side". I managed to snag it not too long ago.
it is fairly scarce in a bit better grade than just "circulation use"
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thank you, it is a tough one. The story which goes with it is worth to read....
I will post it in the next few days, on a different post so the purpose of the Thursday "Americas" theme would, not be tainted. trust me, it is an interesting, not every day, story.
Looking forward to reading the story and broadening my numismatic horizons!
8 Reales Madness Collection
Holy Moly!
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Here is my first "serious" Canadian purchase.
This is the silver restrike, minted with original Soho dies in 1894, a hundred years after the original copper strike.
Wow! Really enjoying the view with everyone's different selections.
Boosibri: I knew that 2 reales had your name written all over it. There was a time, long ago, I would have challenged you on the 1774...nice going.
YQQ: very nice! Smooth, even color. Can't wait to hear your story.
Jgenn: live the 1777 8 Reales. A wonderful strike. Is that year typically better (strike) than usual?
Pruebas: Thats a beautiful silver restrike!
Tom B: beautiful 1909!
Here is one Im not sure if I posted? Does anyone know how to look up ones own post in a thread? I'm losing track of my own posts...
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
1781 Mo 1/2 reale - these are typically a bit more common. Photo by MG via CRO:
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
I missed the 2R in a European auction bidding sight unseen eventually acquiring it after it changed hands a few times.
Latin American Collection
That's not where an EB punch would likely appear. Regardless, if the coin were mine, with or without the punch, I would not be inclined to accept that particular trade.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
The 1859 is a Zoell R2b (DP#5)
Thank you SYL for the info.
I was aware that it is one of the better 1859's and not in bad shape considering its age.
what do you think the rarity and grade of this coin is?
Can you guess why I'm excited to add this one to my collection?
It's Thursday already!
Thursday again...
would anyone venture a grade?
No idea - what's the catch?
8 Reales Madness Collection
Looks AU to me, but it's very hard to discern from the photo.
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AU53
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It's too bad about the fingerprints, but that's what made this coin a survivor. So rather than bemoan them, I celebrate them!
Happy Thursday!