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  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Great turnaround time on my latest sub; not the most ideal grades on some of the 27 T-218's, but all in all I can't complain....

    14058919 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS WILLIE HOPPE PORTRAIT-BILLIARDS Card US
    2 1 14058920 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS THOMAS HUESTON BILLIARDS Card US
    3 1 14058921 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS JACK JOHNSON SIDE FACE-PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    4 1 14058922 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS JACK JOHNSON FRONT FACE-PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    5 1 14058923 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS FRANK KLAUS PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    6 1 14058924 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS W.J. KRAMER ATHLETE Card US
    7 1 14058925 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS SAM LANGFORD PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    8 1 14058926 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS PACKEY McFARLAND PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    9 1 14058927 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS FRED MEADOWS ATHLETE Card US
    10 1 14058928 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS J.B. MOISANT AVIATOR Card US
    11 1 14058929 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS ORA MORNINGSTAR PLAYING-BILLIARDS Card US
    12 1 14058930 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS UNK RUSSELL PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    13 1 14058931 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS PERCY SELLEN ATHLETE Card US
    14 1 14058932 VERY GOOD+ 3.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS ALEX SMITH GOLF Card US
    15 1 14058933 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS ABE ATTELL PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    16 1 14058934 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS KNOCK-OUT BROWN PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    17 1 14058935 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS LEACH CROSS PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    18 1 14058936 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS ALBERT CUTLER PORTRAIT-BILLIARDS Card US
    19 1 14058937 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS JOHN DALY BILLIARDS Card US
    20 1 14058938 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS ALFREDO DE ORO BILLIARDS Card US
    21 1 14058939 GOOD 2 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS CALVIN DEMAREST BILLIARDS Card US
    22 1 14058940 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS DAVE DESHLER PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    23 1 14058941 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS CHARLES EYTON REFEREE Card US
    24 1 14058942 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS JOE GANS PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    25 1 14058943 EXCELLENT 5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS GEO. GARDINER PRIZE FIGHTER Card US
    26 1 14058944 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS HARRY HAYWOOD JR. ATHLETE Card US
    27 1 14058945 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1910 T218 CHAMPIONS F. HERRESHOFF GOLF Card US

    9 of these (Hueston, Meadows, Morningstar, Sellen, Daly, De Oro, Demarest, Gans, Haywood) fill holes in my set, and 3 (Klaus, Kramer and KO Brown) are upgrades. The other 15 will be available if anyone needs any of them.

    Scott
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can anyone tell me if there are any more aviators in the set besides Hamilton, Hoxsey, Johnstone and Moisant?

    Also, I tried to find the set in the PSA Population Report, but can't locate it. Can someone let me know where it's listed?

    Thank you very much!


    Steve
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    Steve- just those 4.
    I haven't had access to the pop report since they went to half grades, but it should be under misc sports.
    Alternately you can go to the registry and figure it out by looking at cards listed there.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    Ok, decided to break up my 2nd T218 set. It's listed on the registry as "Griffins 2nd set". Everything from 3's up to 8's are available.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sent you my list earlier this week. image
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    I'm all over it Nick, just going thru costs.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm all over it Nick, just going thru costs. >>



    Anthony, I wouldn't sell to Nick. I heard he is related to Al Qaeda; it would be anti-American to help him with his missing cards.... image
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anthony, I wouldn't sell to Nick. I heard he is related to Al Qaeda; it would be anti-American to help him with his missing cards.... image >>



    Especially not......ALL 23 HE NEEDS AND SOME UPGRADES!!!!!!!!!! image
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Anthony, I wouldn't sell to Nick. I heard he is related to Al Qaeda; it would be anti-American to help him with his missing cards.... image >>



    Especially not......ALL 23 HE NEEDS AND SOME UPGRADES!!!!!!!!!! image >>



    Congrats Nick, you win! Great work on finishing the set!

    Hopefully now you won't be driving me up on the ones I still need on ebay!
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scott, the funny thing is that right now I am at 5.00, and after I get the final 23 cards from Anthony's 2nd set I will still be at 5.00, so I may still slug it out with you for upgrades. image
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Anthony, I wouldn't sell to Nick. I heard he is related to Al Qaeda; it would be anti-American to help him with his missing cards.... >>



    Uh, Scott- did you notice my Che avatar? you might want to try a different argument!
    image

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Viva El Che.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>..........On a more positive note, I did win a PSA 6 Hoxsey for only $35.99 image >>



    Also got a PSA 6 Chas. K. Hamilton tonight for only $27.59 image
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Not sure if it's because Just Collect and E&L have had a bunch of these on ebay recently or what, but the 5's and 6's of certain cards have been selling for much less than expected (like the Hamilton and Hoxsey Nick got). Then others end up going well over what you'd expect.

    I've given up trying to make sense of most of the prices in this set.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The prices for cards under a PSA 7 seem a little soft overall lately, but like Scott mentioned, some go higher for no apparent reason. I think JustCollect not taking paypal hurts their sales (thank goodness) image

    Champs & Bums (Peter Lalos) has a bunch of 4's, 5's, and 5.5's, in his eBay store now (priced too high though), but he also had 6's, 6.5's and 7's, but he pulled them for some reason.
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Just got off the phone with Just Collect - I had won a Jeffries PSA 5 for $30 which would have been an upgrade on my PSA 4. They LOST the card!

    Fear not though - they have offered me free shipping on my next purchase.

    What the F!?!?!
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keep track of the scan and cert. number if you can, and let them know you will be looking for it on eBay. If it only sold for $30 I doubt they would regrade it just to change the cert. number. Also, I would definitely note that in the feedback I leave (negative or positive). Something like:

    I paid and then they said they lost the card. Yeah right. Was my winning bid too low?
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    I added the cert number to my inventory this morning, so I can at least see if someone tries to add the cert number, I'll at least potentially have an idea where the card turned up.

    It was almost a slap in the face for them to offer free shipping on my "next" purchase. I'm sure I'll be lining up to get that next order in.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    If you do anything in the feedback to them they will block you. It happened to someone else due to a comment on a message board. LMK if you're still looking for a Jefferies portrait, the fighting one is gone.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the heads-up about the neg; I won't go that route then.

    It was the fighting pose; oh well, I was going to take it for the cheap price, but I'll settle for the 4 for now. Thanks!
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like there is a new set on the registry, and it's a monster. Hopefully the owner is a message board member, and can join in our little thread here and share some scans and stories about his #1 set. It looks very impressive.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    Jim has been working on that set for years, and it is a monster. It's just about impossible to out bid him on a card he needs.
    I've never known him to post on this board, but he has posted on 54 a few times.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

    Wow, I didn't think anyone would be knocking Anthony off the top rung. Most impressive!
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    I pointed that one out to the seller at the national, he said if PSA said it it must be true.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I pointed that one out to the seller at the national, he said if PSA said it it must be true. >>



    Can't argue with logic like that.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Labeled incorrectly by PSA >>



    I requested a scan of the back. He sent it, and it is an honest long cut back. I then emailed him and let him know that he has a T219 and not a T218, but I havent heard back in a few days, and the auction is still incorrect.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So much for my $40 snipe. image
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So much for my $40 snipe. image >>



    I wasn't bidding on anything, but there were some weird prices last night. Along with the Sheridan, a PSA 5 Robbins - a pop 5 with 9 higher - went for $54, when other similar PSA 5's went unsold for $9.00. This set's prices are very sporadic.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    I think it's because there are a small number of people working on the set right now, although I"m seeing a few new ones jumping in.
    Hi grade can be even more volatile, depending on who needs it.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another new (and strong) set added to the registry. Just over 30% and 6.28 GPA The set name is RAS, and its seems he/she is quite a boxing collector. Hopefully he will become a contributor to this thread.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yet another new set pops up on the registry. It's titled the DMB collection, and while he only has a few cards listed, they are higher grade examples. Has this fine set stopped slipping under the radar?
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Interesting point, Nick. I listed a bunch of T218's via Net 54 this week, and sold about 15 cards at my asking price to several various collectors (none of whom are on the registry), within 5 hours of posting my message.

    I agree that this set has been undervalued and underappreciated for a while, and will continue to pick up steam in December when some of Anthony's gems grace the pages of the PSA calendar...
  • i think this set is picking up steam...i am no longer able to buy the large lots of Athletes for little or nothing on EBAY and the prices on the Tolstoi backs are through the roof. I had got out bid on the last 4 tolstoi's that came up.....but finally picked one i needed for my set tonight-----a John Flanagan (waist up variety) but had to pay 111.11 to get it.
    Buying Vintage Boxing...especially T218 and T220..email if you have cards you would like to sell.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    I got hammered on T220 upgrades tonite as well. I think it has as much to do with end of summer as anything else though.
    With 100 or so graded T218's to list I am a bit happy though!

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • Add me to the list of converts...I had been working on T206 recently and found a few boxing cards that I won....Maybie T206 takes the back-burner while T218 gets some focus...

    DAVID
    www.davespics.com


  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, thanks to Anthony breaking up his extra set, I have now completed this beautiful set. Along the way there were some assists from Scott and Bryon too, so thanks to everyone that helped along the way. I started this set in January by buying a complete raw set with about 10 graded cards in it, and now just 9 months later it is the 5th current finest registered set. There will always be upgrading to do, but I am very happy with the set having a GPA above 5.
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    Congrats Nick, that's most impressive! Hopefully it'll be a little easier for me to get my last 7 cards for my set without having to battle it out with you. It's a great set, and to finish about a 5.00 GPA is solid. Enjoy it and glad I could help in some small way!

    So now that you finished this set, what is your plan for the second set? Will you try and finish a second set as well?
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    Real men complete 2 sets of T218's image

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • Does a checklist exist for the T218?


  • << <i>Does a checklist exist for the T218? >>




    here
  • Thanks...If I counted right, I get to 145 cards...I am 6.87% of the way there with all 1 weight cards.
  • Actually, further research gets me to 153 cards...

    My first buy was for 10 Boxing cards - 3 Mecca and 7 Hassan

    I would say the average grade is easily VG. I paid $57 for the 10 cards in total from the same buyer so shipping was low.

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another new (and strong) set added to the registry. Just over 30% and 6.28 GPA The set name is RAS, and its seems he/she is quite a boxing collector. Hopefully he will become a contributor to this thread. >>



    Well RAS has gone from 30% complete to almost 88% complete in one shot. His GPA dropped from 6.28 to 5.48 with all the additions, but that sure is a lot of cards to add.

    Can you feel him breathing down your neck Scott?
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    you'd better Scott, he's got a bunch more nice ones on the way to him!
    Seems like a really nice guy from my dealings with him, and one of my friends experience as well.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>you'd better Scott, he's got a bunch more nice ones on the way to him!
    Seems like a really nice guy from my dealings with him, and one of my friends experience as well. >>



    Is he "boxingcards" on ebay?
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Another new (and strong) set added to the registry. Just over 30% and 6.28 GPA The set name is RAS, and its seems he/she is quite a boxing collector. Hopefully he will become a contributor to this thread. >>



    Well RAS has gone from 30% complete to almost 88% complete in one shot. His GPA dropped from 6.28 to 5.48 with all the additions, but that sure is a lot of cards to add.

    Can you feel him breathing down your neck Scott? >>



    Geez, just last year, I thought I had all the time in the world to toil away in obscurity on this set, looking up to Anthony's and Jeb's sets. Then all of a sudden this year, Nick shows up on the scene and spoils the party, stealing my cards which I used to get for cheap on ebay, and now I feel like I'm driving like Grandpa in the right lane, as everyone speeds by on the left! Thanks for nothing!! image

    Do you guys have any idea how many T218 cards had been submitted to PSA a year ago? Pop report shows 3,768 right now - I imagine that's gone up a ton this year, as it seems like there are a LOT of cards on ebay and other venues with the new half-point flips. It will be interesting to see what the pop report is on this set a year from now...
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Another new (and strong) set added to the registry. Just over 30% and 6.28 GPA The set name is RAS, and its seems he/she is quite a boxing collector. Hopefully he will become a contributor to this thread.

    Well RAS has gone from 30% complete to almost 88% complete in one shot. His GPA dropped from 6.28 to 5.48 with all the additions, but that sure is a lot of cards to add.

    Can you feel him breathing down your neck Scott? >>



    Geez, just last year, I thought I had all the time in the world to toil away in obscurity on this set, looking up to Anthony's and Jeb's sets and not much else. Then all of a sudden this year, Nick shows up on the scene and spoils the party, stealing my cards which I used to get for cheap on ebay, and now I feel like I'm driving like Grandpa in the right lane, as everyone speeds by on the left! Thanks for nothing!! image

    Do you guys have any idea how many T218 cards had been submitted to PSA a year ago? Pop report shows 3,768 right now - I imagine that's gone up a ton this year, as it seems like there are a LOT of cards on ebay and other venues with the new half-point flips. It will be interesting to see what the pop report is on this set a year from now...
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    200!

    image
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