Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Great comments. I do have to make a few important points though.....agreed that the recognition has to occur for this coin to have staying power, but dont under estimate the power and size of the "following" that the ASE series has....
1) Approximate demand of 600-900K coins in both proof and unc annually, a highly collectible series since 1986 - if this variety ever becomes part of the regular set (i.e. needed) and approximate availability is less than 25,000 pieces - watch out!!!!! EVIL - to borrow your coined phrase!
2) No where near that demand for the most recognizable double die the collecting community has ever known....the 1955/1955 Lincoln....there are not 600-900K collectors looking for a 55 DD..don't think this is a good comparison for mature pricing....
3) It's older sister, the 95W Proof, at 30,125 coins - pricing in the $4K range for 69 DCAMS.........shows where this coin could go.....in 69!! if availability is sub 25,000 coins, and believe me, the 95w is VERY AVAILABLE in the marketplace and still priced north of $4K in 69 DCAM
Of course all my opinion. You know, we all have them.
any grade thru rates at pcgs for FS 07 reverses in MS70 greater than 10% are obviously reholdered coins purely for designation as 07 reverses
Can't buy that fish. Other POPs never went backwards, the FS POPs just went up.
With all FS now to be done by DEALER only, it will only take on the reputation as a rigged game and just confirm what many suspected, true or not. Nothing that invokes a special interest, behind close doors feel ever works.
Just picked this up on the Bay. I thought it was cool and saved me the time/cost of sending them in myself for reholdering. All ER's (picture is the seller's)
<< <i>Just picked this up on the Bay. I thought it was cool and saved me the time/cost of sending them in myself for reholdering. All ER's (picture is the seller's)
>>
Nice! The non-W is in limited supply this year too!
I'd keep playing. I don't think the heavy stuff will be coming down for quite a while!
<< <i>Just picked this up on the Bay. I thought it was cool and saved me the time/cost of sending them in myself for reholdering. All ER's (picture is the seller's)
>>
Congrats. That looks pretty sweet
I wonder if we'll be seeing any in PCGS multi-holders?
<< <i>any grade thru rates at pcgs for FS 07 reverses in MS70 greater than 10% are obviously reholdered coins purely for designation as 07 reverses
Can't buy that fish. Other POPs never went backwards, the FS POPs just went up.
With all FS now to be done by DEALER only, it will only take on the reputation as a rigged game and just confirm what many suspected, true or not. Nothing that invokes a special interest, behind close doors feel ever works.
Its so Typical for this company! LOL! >>
i'll ASSume (and you know what they say about ASSumptions).. that yawl or most of yawl are are CC members, self-submitters, just plain folks.. and aren't dealers on their bulk submission program, and don't go through dealers to submit.. and got the same email from PCGS that i got yesterday.. and there is probably some other discussion going on on these boreds with adrenelin shooting out of peoples' ears over this change of policy.. but does anyone know if this change violates the terms of an individual's (not a dealer, not a bulk-submitter).. an individual's CC membership to take away their ability to self-submit and get "Special Inserts" like "FS"?.. or is there some fine print somewhere that is implicitly agreed-to when one joins the club that allows them to change the rules mid-stream, as they did yesterday?.. or is the ability to get "Special Inserts" grandfathered-into the CC club membership up to its expiry date?..
anyone know? Bueller? Bueller?..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>Startin' to feel the withdrawal symptoms! Anything new? >>
Just got my babies back from across the street....sent in 2 submissions..1) cherrypicked 21 08/08's expecting 80-90% 70's.....got 12 out of 21 2) sent in all 16 of my 08/07's hoping for 4/5 as 70's Here's what I got:
001 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69 002 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 003 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69 004 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 005 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 006 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 007 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 008 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69 009 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 010 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 011 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 012 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 013 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 014 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69 015 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70 016 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
<< <i>Startin' to feel the withdrawal symptoms! Anything new? >>
According to the HSN guy ...The Oklahoma quarter is the lowest mintage ever among the state quarters. I really don't know if this is true. He also said the US Mint stopped the production of the 2008 ASE because of cost. Not stop selling but stopped minting. Again i dont know where he got this info from so take it for what it is.
what's new?.. well let's see.. in no particular order..
the two orders of two i placed in early May after the magic window had apparently slammed shut, which yielded a quartet of MS69 08/08s are taped up, labelled, and going back to Memphis for a refund.. i pondered what to do with them.. i don't really "seriously" collect ASEs.. no album full.. just a bit of this and that.. but as Kevin "Otto" Kline yelled in "A Fish Called Wanda".. DISAPPOINTED!.. no happy hour, no happy dance.. just a
i bought a 2006-W raw off eBay a couple months ago because it's a semi-key (and plan to have it slabbed.. it kinda smells like a 70 to me..) ..
i bought the 10nd Anniversary sets at a hundred a pop and made more than 15 times my money back re-selling them.. that worked out nicely..
after they all went byebye.. i bought a slabbed PR69 Reverse Proof just because i think it's cool and wanted one..
have a regular non-W 2007 i won in NN's essay contest earlier this year.. they had 50 published entrants, and 20 prizes.. Mr. Top Prize (Denis Loring, who just happens to be listed on PCGS's Price guide list of experts.. coincidence or conspiracy?.. many people emailed and told me they thought my essay was the best of the bunch..).. well, he won the top prize of a $20.00 Gold Liberty (raw).. 19 others including moi won a regular 2007 ASE, all entrants got their essays published.. i was really hopng for that top prize, but alas, it was not to be.. a very strange gap in value between the top prize and the 19 second prizes..
have four NGC MS69 ER 08/07s sitting here maturing like fine wine.. will sell them "some day" when i think the price is right. it ain't right yet.. i still think it has a long way to go (up).. before it peaks.. others may disagree.. 'tis their right..
never got one raw, and gave up trying.. don't plan to buy any more, raw OR in slabs unless one of these lotto tickets in my pocket pays off.. then i'll decorate a wall with PCGS 70s..
got a couple of 2000s sitting in Millenium coin and currency sets..
have two 2001 Proofs in OGP and can't even remember why i bought them seven years ago..
and that's it for my ASE collection..
meanwhile.. this showed up in today's mail.. a box of money from the Pope.. two 2008 Mint / BU sets, and a 2008 Proof set.. appearing later on a eBay near you.. that package travelled all the way from Italy to So. Calif. by Registered Air mail, which took a week.. and arrived in the condition you see below, like it was mailed from next door.. just thought i'd toss up the photo (before i open the package).. to show ya what Vatican coin packaging looks lke.. brown Kraft paper, folded and glued shut over a plastic box holding the three sets.. quaint, to say the least.. like you'd wrap and mail a package in the 1950s..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>hrlaser, how about posting pics of the sets for us in a new thread??? >>
you've never seen Vatican sets?.. they're all over eBay, well not ALL over.. but there are some listed.. now that the 2008 sets are finally shipping.. (The Vatican has been making both kinds of sets since they joined Euroland in 2002..) .. the Mint / BU sets are kind of spartan but attractive tri-fold cardboard holders, but the Proof sets are in really regal, gorgeous presentation cases, usually plush velvet on the outisde, and white satin on the inside.. with ornate brass hinges and front locking thingie.. COA on parchment.. is tucked into a satin pocket on the inside lid.. and make the yearly US Mint Proof sets and even the Presige Proof sets look like.. well.. crap.. interesting thing is the Mint / BU set holders and the Proof sets satin and velvet cases are a different color each year.. this year they're red.. in the Proof set, each coin is in a capsule, arranged in a circule around a central Sterling Silver Medal, which is not encapsulated.. the Medal's design changes every year.. rather than waiting for me to take pictures.. go to http://www.muntplaats.nl a mongo Euro dealer in the Netherlands.. click the union jack at the top so you can read the site in English, find "Vatican" in the country list on the left.. they have pictures of every year's sets going back to 2002.. understand i am on the Vatican's (closed) subscription list and this package came to me directly from the Vatican.. at issue price.. not from a dealer..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Maybe so some (Im sure) are sitting and watching the market if there not they are stupid. I still have some left but none to sell at these prices. If they go down thats fine I will keep my treasures. '
I was a little bored so I grabbed some highlights of the early posts in this thread. Ahhh, those were the days...
<< <i>Sounds like it's not going to turn out to be a great rarity.... >>
<< <i>Sucker play, IMHO. Why buy a kind of expensive coin when the population is very likely to go up? >>
<< <i>The usual ebay hysteria! >>
<< <i>I pre-ordered and none have 2007 reverses, no biggie, I bet a ton are going to show up and I will buy mine for $60 in 3 months. >>
<< <i>So a lot of NGC 70's closes at about $375 per coin Sunday night. Just a few hours earlier a lot closed at about $300 higher per coin. It would sure suck to be a high bidder in that first batch. Seems prices are dropping already. >>
<< <i>I was in for 2 on that auction back when it was sub-$100...seeing as how we don't even know if it's a rare variety or not yet that's just stupid money IMO. >>
<< <i>That $800 coin can be had on their web site for $325.00. That is an insane price. >>
<< <i>Gainsville continues to sell these at $150 >>
<< <i>I don't know if anyone is interested, but Gainsville has the 2008 Silver Eagle Reverse of 2007 for $150. It's better than e-Bay. >>
<< <i>Gainsville has to be loving life. Figure total cost per coin, including grading and selling is about $50. Leaving $100 profit. >>
<< <i>I bought 2 NGC Early Release MS69 2008-W, rev. of 07 coins yesterday for $69 ea. >>
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. >>
<< <i>PCGS has not yet decided to recognize them. >>
<< <i>Looks like Modern Coin Mart is selling them for $119 and $299 undercutting gainvillecoins prices. How many of these do they have? >>
<< <i>To me $69 for a certified ms69 error does not sound too bad to me, if the numbers are really low. >>
<< <i>I picked the wrong year to stop collecting silver eagles. >>
Loki, that was a great trip down memory lane. I have to confess that I've read every single one of the 3000+ posts in this thread, so fascinated have I been with this coin. About the only thing I regret is not ordering sooner from the Mint when I first noticed this thread. I think that was round 200 or so posts.
Man, that seems like a lifetime ago (and not more than two months ago!).
<< <i>Loki, that was a great trip down memory lane. I have to confess that I've read every single one of the 3000+ posts in this thread, so fascinated have I been with this coin. About the only thing I regret is not ordering sooner from the Mint when I first noticed this thread. I think that was round 200 or so posts.
Man, that seems like a lifetime ago (and not more than two months ago!).
Edited to change the bolded item. >>
That was a cool summary of this thread...I actually just looked back and I was quite surprised to see that I was the THIRD post in this thread all the way back on April 20th....why oh why didn't I order 1000 ASE's from the mint that day!??
Raws are really drying up, could get interesting in the next week...
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Only 20 items sold. current bid $485. 23 bidders. 5 hours to go ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Only 20 items sold. current bid $485. 23 bidders. 5 hours to go ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guaging the coin, not the seller. >>
he has 20 feedbacks total.. he has one Neutral and no Negatives.. i ran his eBay ID through toolhaus.org.. he has one neutral from last October which reads "If you have a problem, tell me not feedback. You are lucky this is not negative." (always proofread so you don't any words).. he has no negatives in his three years on eBay.. i don't remember Neutrals impacting overall Positive feedback percentages.. is that my memory failing, or yet another eBay rule change they snuck in there?.. i thought Neutrals didn't impact overall Positive feedback percentage (!?)..
the last time i checked, 1 out of 20 is five percent, not six percent, so how in the Hell does he have 94% feedback with 20 total, one Neutral, and no Negatives?.. ::rubbing eyes::
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
How does one search TeleTrade for 08/07s?.. i KNOW they have sold at least ONE, or at least one was listed.. maybe it didn't sell.. i've been using them since 2001 and know all about Mr. Wantlist and so on.. but i can't figure out what parameters to enter in either an Upcoming Auctions search or a Price guide search to see if they have any of these listed, or have actually sold any.. (if a "lot" is listed in one of their thrice-weekly auctions and does not sell, it simply vanishes from one's Tracking list as though it was never there).. so i want to set up a Mr. Wantlist search to get hits on these coins, but i'll be damned if i can figure out what their search algorithm is for it.. or which boxes to tick off..
has anyone done this successfully without having to plow through EVERY upcoming (or closed-in-the-past-couple-of-months) auctions in the "Bullion - Silver" and "Errors" categories and gotten any hits or figured out what to tick off and get results?.. i'm selecting all upcoming auctions, year 2008 to 2008, any grader, non-proof, Mintmark W, and then tried various keywords in the speicifics box like Reverse, Reverse of 2007, Reverse 2007, Rev 2007, 2007, and a few others.. then ticked off both the Bullion - Silver and Error categories.. and gotten ZERO results, either in upcoming auctions or a past auctions search going back sixty days (or if i log in, i can go back 12,000 days or however long TeleTrade has been in business.. EVERY single coin they've ever sold is still there.. like in Heritage's Permanent Auction Archives)..
if you're a TeleTrade black belt master and you've figured out a search for 08/07s.. clue me in..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
I guess you could just search for the 08-W and use in the keyword search or just scroll through the 2 pages. Make sure to check "Non_Proof" and "W" mintmark
thanks.. i figured they were abbreviating the keywords in some way, but that's one combination i didn't try..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Do any of you ever get the feeling that PCGS rations out the 70's in certain ratios on moderns based on how many you send in. I sent in 5 beautiful ASE's that looked flawless to me. I got back one 70 and I am happy with that but looking at the other 4 69's, I found a flaw with one but I am perplexed about the other 3. Strike is great. Luster uniform. No contact marks or even those pin point breaks in the satin finish. Now they are entombed in 69 plastic and I think they deserve better. The reason I suspect this is because I purchased an already graded ASE graded PCGS MS70 from a seller and looking at it I saw contact marks on the letters. It looked crappy compared to my 69's.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
I agree completely. I sent in 12 of what I thought were perfect coins and got 1-70 and 11-69's. I know if I broke them out and sent them to NGC, I would get at least 6-70's.
Only 20 items sold. current bid $485. 23 bidders. 5 hours to go ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guaging the coin, not the seller. >>
Winning bid : $521.01 24 bidders Raw Specimen in original box with certificate of authenticity from the U.S. Mint
<< <i>I agree completely. I sent in 12 of what I thought were perfect coins and got 1-70 and 11-69's. I know if I broke them out and sent them to NGC, I would get at least 6-70's. >>
<< <i>Do any of you ever get the feeling that PCGS rations out the 70's in certain ratios on moderns based on how many you send in >>
That was my rant many moons ago....It was said that they only give out "a small percentage of 70's" . This creates an artificial rarity and boinks the many "69's" that would probably qualify as 70's. If I cherrypick 20 coins out of 100 and can find no imperfections on any of them I should expect at least 15 70's. I would bet I would only get 2 at most..just because that's the way it is.
I recently did this with 08/08 ASE's across the street...21 cherrypicked....13 70's returned.....sent 16 08/07's.....12 70's returned. Looser standards??? or true grading not dependant on "just because"????....Flame me if you will but this is only my opinion
Maybe it's to limit their liability when the 70's spot....can't argue with that
Comments
i'm sure this will be happening for some time.
Great comments. I do have to make a few important points though.....agreed that the recognition has to occur for this coin to have staying power, but dont under estimate the power and size of the "following" that the ASE series has....
1) Approximate demand of 600-900K coins in both proof and unc annually, a highly collectible series since 1986 - if this variety ever becomes part of the regular set (i.e. needed) and approximate availability is less than 25,000 pieces - watch out!!!!! EVIL - to borrow your coined phrase!
2) No where near that demand for the most recognizable double die the collecting community has ever known....the 1955/1955 Lincoln....there are not 600-900K collectors looking for a 55 DD..don't think this is a good comparison for mature pricing....
3) It's older sister, the 95W Proof, at 30,125 coins - pricing in the $4K range for 69 DCAMS.........shows where this coin could go.....in 69!! if availability is sub 25,000 coins, and believe me, the 95w is VERY AVAILABLE in the marketplace and still priced north of $4K in 69 DCAM
Of course all my opinion. You know, we all have them.
Can't buy that fish. Other POPs never went backwards, the FS POPs just went up.
With all FS now to be done by DEALER only, it will only take on the reputation as a rigged game and just confirm what many suspected, true or not. Nothing that invokes a special interest, behind close doors feel ever works.
Its so Typical for this company! LOL!
VERY happy with results;
1 1 12155071 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 2 12155072 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 3 12155073 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 4 12155074 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 5 12155075 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 6 12155076 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 7 12155077 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
1 8 12155078 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 9 12155079 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 10 12155080 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 11 12155081 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 12 12155082 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
1 13 12155083 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
Not 1st Strikes, these were sent in and received 5/22... graded 6/3(excellent turn around time PCGS) Regular economy submission.
<< <i>Grades just in..... 13 coins sent(from a total of 39 coins)
VERY happy with results;
1 1 12155071 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 2 12155072 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 3 12155073 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 4 12155074 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 5 12155075 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 6 12155076 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 7 12155077 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
1 8 12155078 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 9 12155079 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 10 12155080 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 11 12155081 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
1 12 12155082 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
1 13 12155083 396411 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
Not 1st Strikes, these were sent in and received 5/22... graded 6/3(excellent turn around time PCGS) Regular economy submission.
Congrats. Not bad.
-69 65/188 34.6%
-70 56/188 29.8
Other 67/188 35.6
I would think the last wave was absorbed, by long investors.
Now it's sit and wait for the right time.
All ER's (picture is the seller's)
<< <i>Just picked this up on the Bay. I thought it was cool and saved me the time/cost of sending them in myself for reholdering.
All ER's (picture is the seller's)
Nice! The non-W is in limited supply this year too!
<< <i>Just picked this up on the Bay. I thought it was cool and saved me the time/cost of sending them in myself for reholdering.
All ER's (picture is the seller's)
Congrats. That looks pretty sweet
I wonder if we'll be seeing any in PCGS multi-holders?
<< <i>Now it's sit and wait for the right time. >>
With these things selling for about five Benjamins each (non-70s) I think the right time is right now.
<< <i>any grade thru rates at pcgs for FS 07 reverses in MS70 greater than 10% are obviously reholdered coins purely for designation as 07 reverses
Can't buy that fish. Other POPs never went backwards, the FS POPs just went up.
With all FS now to be done by DEALER only, it will only take on the reputation as a rigged game and just confirm what many suspected, true or not. Nothing that invokes a special interest, behind close doors feel ever works.
Its so Typical for this company! LOL! >>
i'll ASSume (and you know what they say about ASSumptions).. that yawl or most of yawl are are CC members, self-submitters, just plain folks.. and aren't dealers on their bulk submission program, and don't go through dealers to submit.. and got the same email from PCGS that i got yesterday.. and there is probably some other discussion going on on these boreds with adrenelin shooting out of peoples' ears over this change of policy.. but does anyone know if this change violates the terms of an individual's (not a dealer, not a bulk-submitter).. an individual's CC membership to take away their ability to self-submit and get "Special Inserts" like "FS"?.. or is there some fine print somewhere that is implicitly agreed-to when one joins the club that allows them to change the rules mid-stream, as they did yesterday?.. or is the ability to get "Special Inserts" grandfathered-into the CC club membership up to its expiry date?..
anyone know? Bueller? Bueller?..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>Startin' to feel the withdrawal symptoms! Anything new? >>
Just got my babies back from across the street....sent in 2 submissions..1) cherrypicked 21 08/08's expecting 80-90% 70's.....got 12 out of 21
2) sent in all 16 of my 08/07's hoping for 4/5 as 70's Here's what I got:
001 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69
002 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
003 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69
004 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
005 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
006 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
007 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
008 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69
009 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
010 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
011 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
012 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
013 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
014 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 69
015 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
016 2008 W EAGLE REVERSE OF 2007 S$1 MS 70
This thread has slowed w-a-a-a-a-y down!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Startin' to feel the withdrawal symptoms! Anything new? >>
According to the HSN guy ...The Oklahoma quarter is the lowest mintage ever among the state quarters. I really don't know if this is true. He also said the US Mint stopped the production of the 2008 ASE because of cost. Not stop selling but stopped minting. Again i dont know where he got this info from so take it for what it is.
this is about the number(180-190 auctions) from a month ago when they were selling for about $175-275.
lets all see what the drop in auctions will do for the price.
edited to fix typo
the two orders of two i placed in early May after the magic window had apparently slammed shut, which yielded a quartet of MS69 08/08s are taped up, labelled, and going back to Memphis for a refund.. i pondered what to do with them.. i don't really "seriously" collect ASEs.. no album full.. just a bit of this and that.. but as Kevin "Otto" Kline yelled in "A Fish Called Wanda".. DISAPPOINTED!.. no happy hour, no happy dance.. just a
i bought a 2006-W raw off eBay a couple months ago because it's a semi-key (and plan to have it slabbed.. it kinda smells like a 70 to me..) ..
i bought the 10nd Anniversary sets at a hundred a pop and made more than 15 times my money back re-selling them.. that worked out nicely..
after they all went byebye.. i bought a slabbed PR69 Reverse Proof just because i think it's cool and wanted one..
have a regular non-W 2007 i won in NN's essay contest earlier this year.. they had 50 published entrants, and 20 prizes.. Mr. Top Prize (Denis Loring, who just happens to be listed on PCGS's Price guide list of experts.. coincidence or conspiracy?.. many people emailed and told me they thought my essay was the best of the bunch..).. well, he won the top prize of a $20.00 Gold Liberty (raw).. 19 others including moi won a regular 2007 ASE, all entrants got their essays published.. i was really hopng for that top prize, but alas, it was not to be.. a very strange gap in value between the top prize and the 19 second prizes..
have four NGC MS69 ER 08/07s sitting here maturing like fine wine.. will sell them "some day" when i think the price is right. it ain't right yet.. i still think it has a long way to go (up).. before it peaks.. others may disagree.. 'tis their right..
never got one raw, and gave up trying.. don't plan to buy any more, raw OR in slabs unless one of these lotto tickets in my pocket pays off.. then i'll decorate a wall with PCGS 70s..
got a couple of 2000s sitting in Millenium coin and currency sets..
have two 2001 Proofs in OGP and can't even remember why i bought them seven years ago..
and that's it for my ASE collection..
meanwhile.. this showed up in today's mail.. a box of money from the Pope.. two 2008 Mint / BU sets, and a 2008 Proof set.. appearing later on a eBay near you.. that package travelled all the way from Italy to So. Calif. by Registered Air mail, which took a week.. and arrived in the condition you see below, like it was mailed from next door.. just thought i'd toss up the photo (before i open the package).. to show ya what Vatican coin packaging looks lke.. brown Kraft paper, folded and glued shut over a plastic box holding the three sets.. quaint, to say the least.. like you'd wrap and mail a package in the 1950s..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>hrlaser, how about posting pics of the sets for us in a new thread??? >>
you've never seen Vatican sets?.. they're all over eBay, well not ALL over.. but there are some listed.. now that the 2008 sets are finally shipping.. (The Vatican has been making both kinds of sets since they joined Euroland in 2002..) .. the Mint / BU sets are kind of spartan but attractive tri-fold cardboard holders, but the Proof sets are in really regal, gorgeous presentation cases, usually plush velvet on the outisde, and white satin on the inside.. with ornate brass hinges and front locking thingie.. COA on parchment.. is tucked into a satin pocket on the inside lid.. and make the yearly US Mint Proof sets and even the Presige Proof sets look like.. well.. crap.. interesting thing is the Mint / BU set holders and the Proof sets satin and velvet cases are a different color each year.. this year they're red.. in the Proof set, each coin is in a capsule, arranged in a circule around a central Sterling Silver Medal, which is not encapsulated.. the Medal's design changes every year.. rather than waiting for me to take pictures.. go to http://www.muntplaats.nl a mongo Euro dealer in the Netherlands.. click the union jack at the top so you can read the site in English, find "Vatican" in the country list on the left.. they have pictures of every year's sets going back to 2002.. understand i am on the Vatican's (closed) subscription list and this package came to me directly from the Vatican.. at issue price.. not from a dealer..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
50 ending within 24 hours, 28 new listing so far today.
It will be interesting to see the supply diminish, hopefully.
<< <i>213 auctions using "2008 reverse" as key words.
50 ending within 24 hours, 28 new listing so far today.
It will be interesting to see the supply diminish, hopefully. >>
looks like the flippers have packed up and moved on ....
However I think were gonna go up a few.
Ahhh, those were the days...
<< <i>Sounds like it's not going to turn out to be a great rarity.... >>
<< <i>Sucker play, IMHO. Why buy a kind of expensive coin when the population is very likely to go up? >>
<< <i>The usual ebay hysteria! >>
<< <i>I pre-ordered and none have 2007 reverses, no biggie, I bet a ton are going to show up and I will buy mine for $60 in 3 months. >>
<< <i>So a lot of NGC 70's closes at about $375 per coin Sunday night. Just a few hours earlier a lot closed at about $300 higher per coin. It would sure suck to be a high bidder in that first batch. Seems prices are dropping already. >>
<< <i>I was in for 2 on that auction back when it was sub-$100...seeing as how we don't even know if it's a rare variety or not yet that's just stupid money IMO. >>
<< <i>That $800 coin can be had on their web site for $325.00. That is an insane price. >>
<< <i>Gainsville continues to sell these at $150 >>
<< <i>I don't know if anyone is interested, but Gainsville has the 2008 Silver Eagle Reverse of 2007 for $150. It's better than e-Bay. >>
<< <i>Gainsville has to be loving life.
Figure total cost per coin, including grading and selling is about $50. Leaving $100 profit. >>
<< <i>I bought 2 NGC Early Release MS69 2008-W, rev. of 07 coins yesterday for $69 ea. >>
<< <i>it seems there is no end to the amount of these available. >>
<< <i>PCGS has not yet decided to recognize them. >>
<< <i>Looks like Modern Coin Mart is selling them for $119 and $299 undercutting gainvillecoins prices. How many of these do they have? >>
<< <i>To me $69 for a certified ms69 error does not sound too bad to me, if the numbers are really low. >>
<< <i>I picked the wrong year to stop collecting silver eagles. >>
Man, that seems like a lifetime ago (and not more than two months ago!).
Edited to change the bolded item.
<< <i>Loki, that was a great trip down memory lane. I have to confess that I've read every single one of the 3000+ posts in this thread, so fascinated have I been with this coin. About the only thing I regret is not ordering sooner from the Mint when I first noticed this thread. I think that was round 200 or so posts.
Man, that seems like a lifetime ago (and not more than two months ago!).
Edited to change the bolded item. >>
That was a cool summary of this thread...I actually just looked back and I was quite surprised to see that I was the THIRD post in this thread all the way back on April 20th....why oh why didn't I order 1000 ASE's from the mint that day!??
-Paul
<< <i>3333 >>
Drats !
Foiled again.
3333 and add 76 that were in John Naneys original post. 2008-W UNC ASE Question? ? ?
-69 61175 34.9%
-70 47175 26.8
Other 67175 38.3
these spikes in price tend to be short lived and when the order is filled, prices tend to lag again....
i think this coin has legs, and will continue to sell strong, how strong is the question........
Only 20 items sold.
current bid $485.
23 bidders.
5 hours to go
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Guaging the coin, not the seller.
<< <i>94% positive feedback
Only 20 items sold.
current bid $485.
23 bidders.
5 hours to go
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Guaging the coin, not the seller. >>
he has 20 feedbacks total.. he has one Neutral and no Negatives..
i ran his eBay ID through toolhaus.org.. he has one neutral from last October which reads "If you have a problem, tell me not feedback. You are lucky this is not negative."
(always proofread so you don't any words).. he has no negatives in his three years on eBay.. i don't remember Neutrals impacting overall Positive feedback percentages.. is that my memory failing, or yet another eBay rule change they snuck in there?.. i thought Neutrals didn't impact overall Positive feedback percentage (!?)..
the last time i checked, 1 out of 20 is five percent, not six percent, so how in the Hell does he have 94% feedback with 20 total, one Neutral, and no Negatives?.. ::rubbing eyes::
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
has anyone done this successfully without having to plow through EVERY upcoming (or closed-in-the-past-couple-of-months) auctions in the "Bullion - Silver" and "Errors" categories and gotten any hits or figured out what to tick off and get results?.. i'm selecting all upcoming auctions, year 2008 to 2008, any grader, non-proof, Mintmark W, and then tried various keywords in the speicifics box like Reverse, Reverse of 2007, Reverse 2007, Rev 2007, 2007, and a few others.. then ticked off both the Bullion - Silver and Error categories.. and gotten ZERO results, either in upcoming auctions or a past auctions search going back sixty days (or if i log in, i can go back 12,000 days or however long TeleTrade has been in business.. EVERY single coin they've ever sold is still there.. like in Heritage's Permanent Auction Archives)..
if you're a TeleTrade black belt master and you've figured out a search for 08/07s.. clue me in..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
in the keyword search or just scroll through the 2 pages.
Make sure to check "Non_Proof" and "W" mintmark
<< <i>"Rev of '07" works in the Keyword Search >>
thanks.. i figured they were abbreviating the keywords in some way, but that's one combination i didn't try..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>94% positive feedback
Only 20 items sold.
current bid $485.
23 bidders.
5 hours to go
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Guaging the coin, not the seller. >>
Winning bid :
$521.01
24 bidders
Raw Specimen in original box with certificate of authenticity from the U.S. Mint
Purchase price was how much ?
<< <i>I agree completely. I sent in 12 of what I thought were perfect coins and got 1-70 and 11-69's. I know if I broke them out and sent them to NGC, I would get at least 6-70's. >>
Crack them out
<< <i>Do any of you ever get the feeling that PCGS rations out the 70's in certain ratios on moderns based on how many you send in >>
That was my rant many moons ago....It was said that they only give out "a small percentage of 70's" . This creates an artificial rarity and boinks the many "69's" that would probably qualify as 70's. If I cherrypick 20 coins out of 100 and can find no imperfections on any of them I should expect at least 15 70's. I would bet I would only get 2 at most..just because that's the way it is.
I recently did this with 08/08 ASE's across the street...21 cherrypicked....13 70's returned.....sent 16 08/07's.....12 70's returned. Looser standards??? or true grading not dependant on "just because"????....Flame me if you will but this is only my opinion
Maybe it's to limit their liability when the 70's spot....can't argue with that