this could be the last call to get in under $500.00. well known coin dealer and ebay seller just bought 15 ngc ms69. (not from me) t.v shows will be hitting ebay soon, if not already.
<< <i>this could be the last call to get in under $500.00. well known coin dealer and ebay seller just bought 15 ngc ms69. (not from me) t.v shows will be hitting ebay soon, if not already. >>
make that 16, he buying all ngc coins under $500.00, and a couple raw.
LITTLEEAGLE could very well be right in his statement about the shopping channels hitting ebay. They had brown label NGC 69's for $999 (I believe, but about 99% positive) on ShopNBC this weekend, and allegedly sold out. They are going to need stock and buying at $500-$600, $700 on ebay, would mean they only have to raise their prices to $1,299. Remember, they are only selling brown label NGC 69's now, while others are selling ANACS/ICG. Looks like First Strike/Early Release pops are just about set, with perhaps a few stragglers in the near future, but then again, perhaps not, perhaps they ARE just about set.
<< <i>LITTLEEAGLE could very well be right in his statement about the shopping channels hitting ebay. They had brown label NGC 69's for $999 (I believe, but about 99% positive) on ShopNBC this weekend, and allegedly sold out. They are going to need stock and buying at $500-$600, $700 on ebay, would mean they only have to raise their prices to $1,299. Remember, they are only selling brown label NGC 69's now, while others are selling ANACS/ICG. Looks like First Strike/Early Release pops are just about set, with perhaps a few stragglers in the near future, but then again, perhaps not, perhaps they ARE just about set. >>
i've got four NGC MS69 ERs.. and i'll be damned if i'm gonna make some dealer rich(er) by selling them to him at $xxx.xx so he can flip them around for a grand or more.. i learned my lessons about selling valuable collectibles (coins, books, records, other stuff..) .. to dealers a looooooooooooooong time ago.. i won't be lowballed again.. even if i have to pay eBay and PayPal fees.. even if it takes a bit of work and takes a bit longer.. the NGC 69s i have didn't cost me anywhere remotely what dealers are getting for them now.. and those slabs can just sit and nap until i see them going for prices where i feel like okay, it's time to list one.. because once i sell them.. once they're gone, they're gone.. i sure won't be buying any back at 10x what they cost me..
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Below you will find 2 week history charts for ALL hits on:
"2007 reverse 2008" "2007 reverse 2008" (the second chart of this search is for a 1 month period) "2007 reverse 2008 NGC" "2007 reverse 2008 PCGS" "2007 reverse 2008 NGC MS69" "2007 reverse 2008 PCGS MS69" "2007 reverse 2008 NGC MS70" "2007 reverse 2008 PCGS MS70" "2007 reverse 2008 NGC MS69" "2007 reverse 2008 -PCGS -NGC"
What that SHOULD give us, I know there are outliers, are the trends for all coins sold, just NGC graded coins (69 and 70), just PCGS graded coins (69 and 70), and raw.
As I have stated before, this dump DOES NOT include auctions ending past 6:00 EDT today, so if there are a large number of auctions ending tonight, the #'s are going to be different. To get the most accurate trends, do not include today.
Here goes!
If not all the pics show up, right click on the blank picture and then click SHOW PICTURE.
I know NGC population reports are updated each Monday, but are the PGCS reports also updated periodically? If so, how often (on a regular day of the week?)?
<< <i>I know NGC population reports are updated each Monday, but are the PGCS reports also updated periodically? If so, how often (on a regular day of the week?)? >>
PCGS pop numbers should have been updated yesterday/sunday morning.
PCGS MS70's are flipping tough. I got 87 of these directly from the mint. I cherried out my top 22 coins, coins without any flaws, and sent them in to get graded. I got two, yes 2 MS70's from 22 hand picked coins. What this tells me, is that these were pre picked over, these were already returns.
I finally got my grades from PCGS. From an order of ten I placed 03-17-08 the sealed box contained five MS69 '08 ASE with reverse of '07 (First Stikes) and five were regular '08 ASE First Strikes!
Down the road.....a ways down the road IMO.......more $$$$ >>
Is he talking about all the die varieties of the ASE series? I thought he was talking about all the die varieties of the 08/07 coin. Bad engrish I guess, maybe I am just d - u - m (dumb)
<< <i>PCGS MS70's are flipping tough. I got 87 of these directly from the mint. I cherried out my top 22 coins, coins without any flaws, and sent them in to get graded. I got two, yes 2 MS70's from 22 hand picked coins. What this tells me, is that these were pre picked over, these were already returns.
Wait, are you referring to only the 08/08's? If you're talking about 08/07 I don't follow your logic. Obviously if you picked the 22 best out of 87, you didn't think they were returns to begin with, did you? Maybe they are just being graded very tough?
ps. This is my first post on this giant thread....I think!!! >>
Hey GB - you really are sleeping - you dropped a note days ago... WAKE UP! This one's far more interesting.
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<< <i>PCGS MS70's are flipping tough. I got 87 of these directly from the mint. I cherried out my top 22 coins, coins without any flaws, and sent them in to get graded. I got two, yes 2 MS70's from 22 hand picked coins. What this tells me, is that these were pre picked over, these were already returns.
Wait, are you referring to only the 08/08's? If you're talking about 08/07 I don't follow your logic. Obviously if you picked the 22 best out of 87, you didn't think they were returns to begin with, did you? Maybe they are just being graded very tough? >>
I was refering to the 08/07's that I rcvd from the mint. I suspected they were returns and this, IMO, confirms it. PCGS will still 69 coins that are technically perfect but lack that extra something that puts them into the "as intended" portion of the MS70 requirement.
If you look statistically at the 69 vs 70 numbers you can expect to be around the average, which is 10:1 for average coins taken straight from the mint and not cherried. By taking out the lesser coins I should have rcvd around 8 MS70's instead of two or a 400% increase.
Down the road.....a ways down the road IMO.......more $$$$ >>
Is he talking about all the die varieties of the ASE series? I thought he was talking about all the die varieties of the 08/07 coin. Bad engrish I guess, maybe I am just d - u - m (dumb) >>
Since this is a rev of 07 thread I did not think I had to spell that out. This is simple, there are 15 reported dies used for the rev of 07's. You can look at the coins struck and figure out which die was used. Normally, for a modern issue this is foolish, even impossible but since we know with good certainty that only 15 wre used someone could compile a listing of each one.
There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins.
<< <i>this could be the last call to get in under $500.00. well known coin dealer and ebay seller just bought 15 ngc ms69. (not from me) t.v shows will be hitting ebay soon, if not already. >>
an NGC ms69 just closed at $549.
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<< <i>This is simple, there are 15 reported dies used for the rev of 07's. You can look at the coins struck and figure out which die was used. Normally, for a modern issue this is foolish, even impossible but since we know with good certainty that only 15 wre used someone could compile a listing of each one. >>
What would you look for? I'd start with the little shiny planchet flake-spots --whaddya' call those? They're tiny --less than 1mm-- silver pinpoints, and for a given set of Eagles, each coin has the same pattern of tiny shiny dots, and so that seems to be from the strike. That pattern of tiny shiny dots would be unique to a die. Bigger ones --like 1 mm-- look like divets or gouges.
I guess some of the other surface patterns that show up when tilting the surface might identify a die.
<< <i>There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins. >>
Funny to think that with all the dealer picking year to year none of them noticed the 07 reverse, until Halfhunter's discovery...
<< <i>There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins. >>
when did you fall off the turnip truck???? (just kidding) the mint gives you a 30 day return so many use it to their advantage as it is in their be$t inetrest to do so. IMHO there is nothing wrong doing this.
the quality is pretty good this year yet of the raw vs slabbed i have seen there is marked difference, even the NGC 69's looked PQ compared to raw. but that was my expereince buying raw on the secondary market....none would have graded a 70, except for SGS....lol
the NGC ER MS70's are nothing to sneeze at.
i might even guess that a lot of the original 47k might have been returned to the mint by these dealers only to be sent out again....this time it worked in favor of the little guy.
<< <i>There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins. >>
when did you fall off the turnip truck???? (just kidding) the mint gives you a 30 day return so many use it to their advantage as it is in their be$t inetrest to do so. IMHO there is nothing wrong doing this.
the quality is pretty good this year yet of the raw vs slabbed i have seen there is marked difference, even the NGC 69's looked PQ compared to raw. but that was my expereince buying raw on the secondary market....none would have graded a 70, except for SGS....lol
the NGC ER MS70's are nothing to sneeze at.
i might even guess that a lot of the original 47k might have been returned to the mint by these dealers only to be sent out again....this time it worked in favor of the little guy. >>
What a bunch of DUMBKOPFS. They kept the $250 coins and returned the $650 coins.
If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post: Ericj96 post
<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post: Ericj96 post >>
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<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post: Ericj96 post >>
link not working >>
Links to start pages other than 1 typically do not work.
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<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post: Ericj96 post >>
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post: Ericj96 post >>
"SILVER EAGLES: This series has a new member....it is the first significant die variety the 2008w with the 2007 reverse (08/07w) This coin is a modern "VAM". I have been trying to figure out what this coin is going to do after its been out for a year. Is it going to be looked at as the long term key to the series with its 47,000 or less mintage or is it going to spike and tank? I think in order to have staying power the coin has got to be regarded as absolutely necessary to have a complete silver eagle mint state set. That is determined by many things. The PCGS registry, NGC registry, Red book, Grey sheet, and silver eagle coin holder albums. The collector needs to feel that without that coin the set in not complete. The more that is true the more the collector base compression shows up in the coins price. Another thing to think about is look for coins with similar characteristics. Maybe not required for a complete date and mint mark set but wanted anyway.
The 1955 double die cent is a very obvious die variety, has a massive collector base in the Lincoln cent series and is rare. Its listed almost everywhere and is famous. Looking at the population reports about 4,000 exist with the center of the grading bell line curve in the AU58-MS61 range. They have a current market price of roughly $1500 according to the Red book. The 1955 DD cent has better ratios than the 08/07w anyway you want to cut it. Therefore I would assume that the top end of the 08w/07 is well below $1500 long term in typical MS 69 grade.
Will the 08w/017 still bring more than the 2006w silver eagle 5 years from now? Good chance but don't forget the top on coins like this shows up in the first year and will back about 30% off its first year peak in years 2-4 as is typical. Yes I know that this time is different.......
The silver eagles are selling very well and the mint has got to be very pleased. The 2007w and 2008w sold very will in the midst of market weakness and thats a good sign for the 2006-w and its date and mint mark key date status. I think the cheap coins are holding up better in this time of surging material prices and thats certainly understandable. This series is massive and a bastion of consistency in a chaotic list of product offerings. All the better date silver eagles will have prices that look like common date CC Morgans in the next 20 years."
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<< <i>this could be the last call to get in under $500.00. well known coin dealer and ebay seller just bought 15 ngc ms69. (not from me) t.v shows will be hitting ebay soon, if not already. >>
make that 16, he buying all ngc coins under $500.00, and a couple raw.
Who is buying all of them?
<< <i>LITTLEEAGLE
Who is buying all of them? >>
jlsnumismatics
<< <i>LITTLEEAGLE could very well be right in his statement about the shopping channels hitting ebay. They had brown label NGC 69's for $999 (I believe, but about 99% positive) on ShopNBC this weekend, and allegedly sold out. They are going to need stock and buying at $500-$600, $700 on ebay, would mean they only have to raise their prices to $1,299. Remember, they are only selling brown label NGC 69's now, while others are selling ANACS/ICG. Looks like First Strike/Early Release pops are just about set, with perhaps a few stragglers in the near future, but then again, perhaps not, perhaps they ARE just about set. >>
i've got four NGC MS69 ERs.. and i'll be damned if i'm gonna make some dealer rich(er) by selling them to him at $xxx.xx so he can flip them around for a grand or more.. i learned my lessons about selling valuable collectibles (coins, books, records, other stuff..) .. to dealers a looooooooooooooong time ago.. i won't be lowballed again.. even if i have to pay eBay and PayPal fees.. even if it takes a bit of work and takes a bit longer.. the NGC 69s i have didn't cost me anywhere remotely what dealers are getting for them now.. and those slabs can just sit and nap until i see them going for prices where i feel like okay, it's time to list one.. because once i sell them.. once they're gone, they're gone.. i sure won't be buying any back at 10x what they cost me..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>
<< <i>LITTLEEAGLE
Who is buying all of them? >>
jlsnumismatics >>
Our coin club was / is looking to buy 100 + 2008/07s at a lower price..we will see
Below you will find 2 week history charts for ALL hits on:
"2007 reverse 2008"
"2007 reverse 2008" (the second chart of this search is for a 1 month period)
"2007 reverse 2008 NGC"
"2007 reverse 2008 PCGS"
"2007 reverse 2008 NGC MS69"
"2007 reverse 2008 PCGS MS69"
"2007 reverse 2008 NGC MS70"
"2007 reverse 2008 PCGS MS70"
"2007 reverse 2008 NGC MS69"
"2007 reverse 2008 -PCGS -NGC"
What that SHOULD give us, I know there are outliers, are the trends for all coins sold, just NGC graded coins (69 and 70), just PCGS graded coins (69 and 70), and raw.
As I have stated before, this dump DOES NOT include auctions ending past 6:00 EDT today, so if there are a large number of auctions ending tonight, the #'s are going to be different. To get the most accurate trends, do not include today.
Here goes!
If not all the pics show up, right click on the blank picture and then click SHOW PICTURE.
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Past 2 weeks, graded and raw
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Past 1 month, graded and raw
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All NGC graded coins
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All PCGS graded coins
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All raw coins
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NGC MS69
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PCGS MS69
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NCG MS70
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PCGS MS70
<< <i>I know NGC population reports are updated each Monday, but are the PGCS reports also updated periodically? If so, how often (on a regular day of the week?)? >>
PCGS pop numbers should have been updated yesterday/sunday morning.
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<< <i>Since we know from the mint how many dies were used. Has anyone started to collect all the Die varieties characteristics? >>
What? What does that mean?
Down the road.....a ways down the road IMO.......more $$$$
Thanks in advance.
<< <i>What? What does that mean?
Down the road.....a ways down the road IMO.......more $$$$ >>
Is he talking about all the die varieties of the ASE series? I thought he was talking about all the die varieties of the 08/07 coin. Bad engrish I guess, maybe I am just d - u - m (dumb)
<< <i>can someone post the current pcgs pops?
>>
396437 2008-W $1 Silver Eagle, Rev of '07 First Strike MS
69 - 1,353
70 - 146
Total - 1,499
396411 2008-W $1 Reverse of 2007 Eagle MS
68 - 6
69 - 275
70 - 21
Total - 302
reg strike 275 MS69's 21 MS70'S
Personally, I would run with this easy money!!!
Is the excitement starting to decline here???
eBay Link
ps. This is my first post on this giant thread....I think!!!
<< <i>PCGS MS70's are flipping tough. I got 87 of these directly from the mint. I cherried out my top 22 coins, coins without any flaws, and sent them in to get graded. I got two, yes 2 MS70's from 22 hand picked coins. What this tells me, is that these were pre picked over, these were already returns.
Order >>
Wait, are you referring to only the 08/08's? If you're talking about 08/07 I don't follow your logic.
Obviously if you picked the 22 best out of 87, you didn't think they were returns to begin with, did you?
Maybe they are just being graded very tough?
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<< <i>Is this a good or bad deal??
Personally, I would run with this easy money!!!
Is the excitement starting to decline here???
eBay Link
ps. This is my first post on this giant thread....I think!!!
Hey GB - you really are sleeping - you dropped a note days ago... WAKE UP! This one's far more interesting.
<< <i>
<< <i>Is this a good or bad deal??
Personally, I would run with this easy money!!!
Is the excitement starting to decline here???
eBay Link
ps. This is my first post on this giant thread....I think!!!
Hey GB - you really are sleeping - you dropped a note days ago... WAKE UP! This one's far more interesting. >>
Hey Akbeez, I'm turning 60 this December....I'm realy slowing down of late.
Thanks for the friendly reminder!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>PCGS MS70's are flipping tough. I got 87 of these directly from the mint. I cherried out my top 22 coins, coins without any flaws, and sent them in to get graded. I got two, yes 2 MS70's from 22 hand picked coins. What this tells me, is that these were pre picked over, these were already returns.
Order >>
Wait, are you referring to only the 08/08's? If you're talking about 08/07 I don't follow your logic.
Obviously if you picked the 22 best out of 87, you didn't think they were returns to begin with, did you?
Maybe they are just being graded very tough? >>
I was refering to the 08/07's that I rcvd from the mint. I suspected they were returns and this, IMO, confirms it. PCGS will still 69 coins that are technically perfect but lack that extra something that puts them into the "as intended" portion of the MS70 requirement.
If you look statistically at the 69 vs 70 numbers you can expect to be around the average, which is 10:1 for average coins taken straight from the mint and not cherried. By taking out the lesser coins I should have rcvd around 8 MS70's instead of two or a 400% increase.
<< <i>
<< <i>What? What does that mean?
Down the road.....a ways down the road IMO.......more $$$$ >>
Is he talking about all the die varieties of the ASE series? I thought he was talking about all the die varieties of the 08/07 coin. Bad engrish I guess, maybe I am just d - u - m (dumb) >>
Since this is a rev of 07 thread I did not think I had to spell that out. This is simple, there are 15 reported dies used for the rev of 07's. You can look at the coins struck and figure out which die was used. Normally, for a modern issue this is foolish, even impossible but since we know with good certainty that only 15 wre used someone could compile a listing of each one.
1 12191549 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 2 12191550 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 3 12191551 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 4 12191552 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 5 12191553 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 6 12191554 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 7 12191555 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 8 12191556 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 9 12191557 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 10 12191558 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 11 12191559 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 12 12191560 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 13 12191561 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 14 12191562 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 15 12191563 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 16 12191564 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 17 12191565 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 18 12191566 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 19 12191567 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 20 12191568 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 21 12191569 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 22 12191570 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 23 12191571 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 24 12191572 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 25 12191573 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 26 12191574 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 27 12191575 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 28 12191576 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 29 12191577 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 30 12191578 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 31 12191579 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 32 12191580 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 33 12191581 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 34 12191582 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 35 12191583 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 36 12191584 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 37 12191585 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 38 12191586 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 39 12191587 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 40 12191588 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 41 12191589 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 42 12191590 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 43 12191591 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 44 12191592 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 45 12191593 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 46 12191594 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 47 12191595 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 48 12191596 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 49 12191597 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 50 12191598 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 51 12191606 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 52 12191617 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 53 12191618 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 54 12191619 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 55 12191601 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 56 12191625 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 57 12191621 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 58 12191609 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 59 12191624 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 60 12191620 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 61 12191611 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 62 12191616 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 63 12191607 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 64 12191614 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 65 12191631 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 66 12191644 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 67 12191635 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 68 12191629 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 69 12191641 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 70 12191626 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 71 12191638 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 72 12191634 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 73 12191640 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 74 12191632 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 75 12191637 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
4 1 12191602 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 2 12191603 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 3 12191604 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 4 12191605 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 5 12191608 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 6 12191610 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 7 12191612 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 8 12191613 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 9 12191615 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 10 12191622 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 11 12191623 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 12 12191627 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 13 12191628 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 14 12191630 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 15 12191633 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 16 12191636 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 17 12191639 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 18 12191642 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 19 12191643 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
<< <i>How come you didn't get a 20%+ grade-thru like this?
1 12191549 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 2 12191550 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 3 12191551 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 4 12191552 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 5 12191553 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 6 12191554 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 7 12191555 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 8 12191556 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 9 12191557 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 10 12191558 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 11 12191559 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 12 12191560 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 13 12191561 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 14 12191562 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 15 12191563 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 16 12191564 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 17 12191565 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 18 12191566 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 19 12191567 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 20 12191568 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 21 12191569 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 22 12191570 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 23 12191571 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 24 12191572 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 25 12191573 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 26 12191574 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 27 12191575 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 28 12191576 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 29 12191577 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 30 12191578 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 31 12191579 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 32 12191580 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 33 12191581 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 34 12191582 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 35 12191583 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 36 12191584 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 37 12191585 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 38 12191586 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 39 12191587 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 40 12191588 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 41 12191589 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 42 12191590 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 43 12191591 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 44 12191592 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 45 12191593 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 46 12191594 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 47 12191595 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 48 12191596 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 49 12191597 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 50 12191598 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 51 12191606 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 52 12191617 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 53 12191618 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 54 12191619 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 55 12191601 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 56 12191625 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 57 12191621 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 58 12191609 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 59 12191624 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 60 12191620 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 61 12191611 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 62 12191616 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 63 12191607 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 64 12191614 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 65 12191631 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 66 12191644 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 67 12191635 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 68 12191629 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 69 12191641 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 70 12191626 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 71 12191638 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 72 12191634 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 73 12191640 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 74 12191632 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
2 75 12191637 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS69
4 1 12191602 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 2 12191603 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 3 12191604 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 4 12191605 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 5 12191608 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 6 12191610 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 7 12191612 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 8 12191613 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 9 12191615 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 10 12191622 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 11 12191623 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 12 12191627 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 13 12191628 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 14 12191630 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 15 12191633 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 16 12191636 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 17 12191639 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 18 12191642 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70
4 19 12191643 396437 2008-W $1 Eagle, Reverse of 2007 US MS70 >>
Because his coins fell into the bold window above.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>this could be the last call to get in under $500.00. well known coin dealer and ebay seller just bought 15 ngc ms69. (not from me) t.v shows will be hitting ebay soon, if not already. >>
an NGC ms69 just closed at $549.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>This is simple, there are 15 reported dies used for the rev of 07's. You can look at the coins struck and figure out which die was used. Normally, for a modern issue this is foolish, even impossible but since we know with good certainty that only 15 wre used someone could compile a listing of each one. >>
What would you look for? I'd start with the little shiny planchet flake-spots --whaddya' call those? They're tiny --less than 1mm-- silver pinpoints, and for a given set of Eagles, each coin has the same pattern of tiny shiny dots, and so that seems to be from the strike. That pattern of tiny shiny dots would be unique to a die. Bigger ones --like 1 mm-- look like divets or gouges.
I guess some of the other surface patterns that show up when tilting the surface might identify a die.
What diagnostics would you look for?
-69 80/210 38.1%
-70 60/210 28.6
Other 70/210 33.3
<< <i>There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins. >>
Funny to think that with all the dealer picking year to year none of them noticed the 07 reverse, until Halfhunter's discovery...
<< <i>On Teletrade tonight , a PCGS 1st strike 69 2008/07 , and , also a PCGS 70 1st strike 2008/07.. weak prices ?? 70 now = $$ 3900.00 >>
For this auction (Auction 2537 - Lot 2217) It should be noted that neither coin sold.
The $3,900 was obviously the Dealers reserve. I didn't catch what the 69 was set at.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins. >>
when did you fall off the turnip truck???? (just kidding) the mint gives you a 30 day return so many use it to their advantage as it is in their be$t inetrest to do so. IMHO there is nothing wrong doing this.
the quality is pretty good this year yet of the raw vs slabbed i have seen there is marked difference, even the NGC 69's looked PQ compared to raw. but that was my expereince buying raw on the secondary market....none would have graded a 70, except for SGS....lol
the NGC ER MS70's are nothing to sneeze at.
i might even guess that a lot of the original 47k might have been returned to the mint by these dealers only to be sent out again....this time it worked in favor of the little guy.
<< <i>
<< <i>There has been a theory floating around that many dealers cherried out coins and sent them back. The 20% MS70 grading would indicate that a least the coins were pre selected. I think we got the picked over coins. >>
when did you fall off the turnip truck???? (just kidding) the mint gives you a 30 day return so many use it to their advantage as it is in their be$t inetrest to do so. IMHO there is nothing wrong doing this.
the quality is pretty good this year yet of the raw vs slabbed i have seen there is marked difference, even the NGC 69's looked PQ compared to raw. but that was my expereince buying raw on the secondary market....none would have graded a 70, except for SGS....lol
the NGC ER MS70's are nothing to sneeze at.
i might even guess that a lot of the original 47k might have been returned to the mint by these dealers only to be sent out again....this time it worked in favor of the little guy. >>
What a bunch of DUMBKOPFS.
Box of 20
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post:
Ericj96 post
record
over in about 2.5 hrs.
snman
<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post:
Ericj96 post >>
link not working
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>
<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post:
Ericj96 post >>
link not working >>
Links to start pages other than 1 typically do not work.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Will this be another record for 2008w rev 2007 PCGS MS-69 FIRST STRIKE?
record
over in about 2.5 hrs.
snman >>
I think the high last week was 775.00
<< <i>
<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post:
Ericj96 post >>
link not working >>
try this:
scroll down to June 3, 2008, 820am..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>
<< <i>Will this be another record for 2008w rev 2007 PCGS MS-69 FIRST STRIKE?
record
over in about 2.5 hrs.
snman >>
I think the high last week was 775.00 >>
I think a board member sold one for $779.00
Have a good one!!!~David
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>If you haven't read this post by Ericj96 in another thread, it is a thoughtful article on his views of the future value of different coin series, including the 2008 reverse 2007. Eric projects a longer term value of the 2008 ASE reverse 07 by comparing it to another variety.
Rather than quote out of context, here is the link to the post:
Ericj96 post >>
link not working >>
try this:
scroll down to June 3, 2008, 820am.. >>
Here, I'll quote it:
"SILVER EAGLES:
This series has a new member....it is the first significant die variety the 2008w with the 2007 reverse (08/07w) This coin is a modern "VAM". I have been trying to figure out what this coin is going to do after its been out for a year. Is it going to be looked at as the long term key to the series with its 47,000 or less mintage or is it going to spike and tank? I think in order to have staying power the coin has got to be regarded as absolutely necessary to have a complete silver eagle mint state set. That is determined by many things. The PCGS registry, NGC registry, Red book, Grey sheet, and silver eagle coin holder albums. The collector needs to feel that without that coin the set in not complete. The more that is true the more the collector base compression shows up in the coins price. Another thing to think about is look for coins with similar characteristics. Maybe not required for a complete date and mint mark set but wanted anyway.
The 1955 double die cent is a very obvious die variety, has a massive collector base in the Lincoln cent series and is rare. Its listed almost everywhere and is famous. Looking at the population reports about 4,000 exist with the center of the grading bell line curve in the AU58-MS61 range. They have a current market price of roughly $1500 according to the Red book. The 1955 DD cent has better ratios than the 08/07w anyway you want to cut it. Therefore I would assume that the top end of the 08w/07 is well below $1500 long term in typical MS 69 grade.
Will the 08w/017 still bring more than the 2006w silver eagle 5 years from now? Good chance but don't forget the top on coins like this shows up in the first year and will back about 30% off its first year peak in years 2-4 as is typical. Yes I know that this time is different.......
The silver eagles are selling very well and the mint has got to be very pleased. The 2007w and 2008w sold very will in the midst of market weakness and thats a good sign for the 2006-w and its date and mint mark key date status. I think the cheap coins are holding up better in this time of surging material prices and thats certainly understandable. This series is massive and a bastion of consistency in a chaotic list of product offerings. All the better date silver eagles will have prices that look like common date CC Morgans in the next 20 years."
The name is LEE!