Anyone interested in trying to convince PSA to clean up the Future HOF Rookies set?
Removing Jerry Sloan won't require a vote, since he made it as a coach, but removing other cards will. There may be arguments for keeping some of them, but Stephon Marbury, for example, isn't ever getting into Springfield without a ticket.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
gees andy what are u doing up at 3:00 am waiting for santa? Me also...way too many guys who IMO are not even major stars and some who have no chance at all.
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"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
IMO we should follow the method the football future HOF set has done and develop an initial list here, vote on that on the thread to get a rough idea, and then ask PSA to conduct a formal vote.
Which players do you think should be considered for delisting?
I am in. I tried to push for it last year, but it had just gotten started.
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Here's my take. Guys on top can stay (and I feel I was generous on some of them), and the guys on the bottom gotta go. I know this was discussed before, but Topps Chrome is absolutely not the card of choice for '98. That is SP. I guess that can be addressed (again) way down the road when these guys are eligible.
Yes: 1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN 17 1.00 1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON 65 1.00 1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER 91 1.00 1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD 20 1.00 1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE 180 1.00 1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS 183 1.00 1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS 10 1.00 1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING 75 1.00 1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS 154 1.00 1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE 3 1.00 1986 FLEER KARL MALONE 68 1.00 1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN 77 1.00 1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN 20 1.00 1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN 43 1.00 1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER 57 1.00 1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON 123 1.00 1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND 56 1.00 1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON U-92 1.00 1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO 3 1.00 1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 1 1.00 1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING 2 1.00 1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC 14 1.00 1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER 212 1.00 1994 FINEST GRANT HILL 240 1.00 1994 FINEST JASON KIDD 286 1.00 1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT 115 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT 138 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON 171 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH 182 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN 217 1.00 1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN 115 1.00 1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY 125 1.00 1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE 135 1.00 1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI 154 1.00 1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER 199 1.00 1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND 115 1.00 2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL 131 1.00 2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE 126 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES 111 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY 113 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH 114 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE 115 1.00
No: 1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO 26 1.00 1961 FLEER DON OHL 33 1.00 1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE 63 1.00 1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER 97 1.00 1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE 143 1.00 1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN 148 1.00 1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL 126 1.00 1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS 15 1.00 1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON 82 1.00 1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY 63 1.00 1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY 189 1.00 1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE 268 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY 177 1.00 1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON 114 1.00 1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS 116 1.00 1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION 120 1.00 2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER 155 1.00 2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS 157 1.00 2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI 124 1.00 2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING 146 1.00
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>Here's my take. Guys on top can stay (and I feel I was generous on some of them), and the guys on the bottom gotta go. I know this was discussed before, but Topps Chrome is absolutely not the card of choice for '98. That is SP. I guess that can be addressed (again) way down the road when these guys are eligible. >>
I agree with everything Shag has said except that I am not as "generous". The future HOF registry should represent a list of players that are very likely to be enshrined eventually but I see most of the players on the current list falling into the good but not great category. I personally don't want to chase a bunch of these cards of guys who are very unlikely to ever make the Hall. I also don't like to prematurely add some of the young guys who have to accomplish much more before they are truly worthy. I'd propose adding the following to the "no" list.
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN 17 1.00 1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON 65 1.00 1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER 91 1.00 1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD 20 1.00 1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS 183 1.00 1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS 10 1.00 1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS 154 1.00 1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE 3 1.00 1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON 123 1.00 1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND 56 1.00 1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING 2 1.00 1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC 14 1.00 1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER 212 1.00 1994 FINEST GRANT HILL 240 1.00 1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND 115 1.00 2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL 131 1.00 2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE 126 1.00
<< <i>Why is Tim Hardaway out? Most of the sportscasters think he will get in at some point. >>
Tim Hardaway wouldn't be a terrible selection. Personally, I was a big fan. I could see him maybe being a finalist at some point, but that's it. He's behind likely non HOFers like Jackson, Strickland, and Porter in career assists, and behind K. Johnson and Nixon in career assists per game. Hardaway never won a championship, only made 5 All Star games, and finished in the top three in assists per game just three times - and never first. I'd be far from appalled if he did get in, but I just don't think he has a very good shot. IMO KJ was clearly the better player, and he's never even been a finalist. I think that's pretty telling.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
The best way to do this is to keep an organized running tally of no votes. shagrotn77, recbball, NickM, and fuj have voted so far. For everyone else who'd like to vote, copy the previous list and update it in your replay. After we close out the voting, we'll submit a list to PSA for them to e-mail the registrants for an official vote. I'm thinking maybe 6 or 7 no votes will get a player on the list, but it'll depend on how many votes we get. Here's where we're at so far, with no votes in parentheses:
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (1) 1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (2) 1961 FLEER DON OHL (2) 1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (1) 1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (1) 1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (2) 1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (2) 1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (2) 1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (2) 1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (1) 1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE 1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (1) 1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (2) 1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (1) 1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING 1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (1) 1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (1) 1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (2) 1986 FLEER KARL MALONE 1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN 1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN 1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN 1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER 1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (2) 1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (1) 1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (1) 1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (2) 1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON 1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO 1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (1) 1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (1) 1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (3) 1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (1) 1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2) 1994 FINEST JASON KIDD 1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT 1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (3) 1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT 1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (3) 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH 1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN 1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN 1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY 1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE 1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI 1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER 1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (3) 1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (2) 1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (3) 1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (3) 2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (1) 2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (2) 2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (3) 2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (2) 2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (1) 2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (2) 2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES 2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY 2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH 2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Sorry for the confusion. I hadn't actually voted yet. There are some guys shagrotn would say No to who I'd say Yes to, and a few I'd need to research more carefully before voting.
I'll come back with my list shortly.
I was referencing making an initial list, because there are some guys who I doubt anyone would say shouldn't be included (e.g., Malone, Shaq, Garnett, and Kobe).
These are the guys who no one yet has said No to:
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE 180 1.00 1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING 75 1.00 1986 FLEER KARL MALONE 68 1.00 1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN 77 1.00 1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN 20 1.00 1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN 43 1.00 1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER 57 1.00 1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON U-92 1.00 1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO 3 1.00 1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 1 1.00 1994 FINEST JASON KIDD 286 1.00 1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT 115 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT 138 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON 171 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH 182 1.00 1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN 217 1.00 1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN 115 1.00 1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY 125 1.00 1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE 135 1.00 1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI 154 1.00 1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER 199 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES 111 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY 113 1.00 2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE 115 1.00
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (1) 1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (4) 1961 FLEER DON OHL (4) 1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (1) 1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (1) 1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (3) 1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (3) 1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (3) 1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (4) 1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (1) 1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE 1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (1) 1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (3) 1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (1) 1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING 1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (1) 1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (2) 1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (3) 1986 FLEER KARL MALONE 1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN 1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN 1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN 1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER 1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (3) 1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (2) 1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (1) 1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (3) 1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON 1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO 1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (1) 1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (2) 1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (5) 1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (1) 1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2) 1994 FINEST JASON KIDD 1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT 1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (4) 1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT 1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (5) 1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH 1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN 1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN 1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY 1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE 1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI 1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER 1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (4) 1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (2) 1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (4) 1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (4) 2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (2) 2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (3) 2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (4) 2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (3) 2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (2) 2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (3) 2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES 2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY 2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH (2) 2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Sabonis would probably have a better chance of getting in the HOF if he never played in the NBA. 12 ppg and 7.3 rpg are certainly not eye-popping stats. Granted, he didn't hit the NBA until he was 30 or 31, but he also never made an All Star team in 7 years. Like I said, had he not played in the NBA, I think a much better argument could be made. But the basketball HOF vote is so unpredictable, who knows? Petrovic made it with 2 good NBA seasons to his credit.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
The Kukoc nomination certainly didn't come from me. He does have three rings though. Anyway, I never said Sabonis doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. I only said that he may have hurt his chances by playing in the NBA and posting mediocre stats.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>I looked up Maciel Pereira on Beckett's site and there is no record of cards for him. >>
Beckett does not list all the stickers Panini made. I don't remember Maciel having a sticker, but maybe he does in one of those oddball sets
Looking for in PSA graded 1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+ 2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+ 3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos 1992 Courtside Flashback Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton) 2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology 2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos) Press Pass Legends
<< <i>Well, it looks like I need a 69-70 #12 Gus Johnson and a Maciel Pereira card. I am guessing Pereira is in one of the Panini sets. >>
I have an extra Gus Johnson 8 if anyone needs one.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I picked up a Cynthia Cooper Pinnacle Inside the WNBA rookie card recently. I was shocked when I loaded it on the registry to see that there were 387 nines of this card and 185 tens. Why are there so many Cooper's graded? I would not have guessed there would be anywhere near that amount.
<< <i>There must be a whack of other registry sets that need the card. Is there a way to figure out how many sets a particular card appears in? >>
Far as I know the only way to tell is by adding it to your collection on the registry. Then it shows you all the sets it can be added to. If you're really curious you could always add a card, take a peek, and then delete it right away.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Dennis Rodman 1988-89 Fleer #43 Chris Mullin 1986-87 Fleer #77 Tara VanDerveer no idea unless there is a Stanford women's team set Tex Winter Herb Magee Artis Gilmore 1972-73 Topps #180 Arvydas Sabonis Teresa Edwards Goose Tatum a Globetrotters set? Tom Sanders 1969-70 Topps #72
Already sent the request in. To fill in the blanks, Sabonis is '95 SP and Edwards is '94 Flair USA. I don't think Tatum has a card. Not positive though.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>Already sent the request in. To fill in the blanks, Sabonis is '95 SP and Edwards is '94 Flair USA. I don't think Tatum has a card. Not positive though. >>
Sabonis has Panini Stickers from the 80's Is the RC from 1985?
Looking for in PSA graded 1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+ 2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+ 3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos 1992 Courtside Flashback Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton) 2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology 2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos) Press Pass Legends
Petrovic has the same '85 Panini sticker as Sabonis, but PSA uses the best NBA rookie for the set. The Paninis are considered pre-rookies. I do like them though.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>Already sent the request in. To fill in the blanks, Sabonis is '95 SP and Edwards is '94 Flair USA. I don't think Tatum has a card. Not positive though. >>
Just got the poll on Sabonis and was looking at the options. I would really recommend that we all think about adding the Skybox E-XL card for Sabonis. I hated the look of these cards but I think they are much harder to find than the SP cards. For comparison purposes I looked up the Kevin Garnett RCs in the pop report and found the following:
Total Cards Graded: SP: 3,589 E-XL: 945
KG was the premier rookie from that year so I figure this is the best comparison possible. The E-XL cards do appear to be a little less condition sensitive than the SP cards but I see that BBCE still has unopened boxes of SP available so there does not appear to be a shortage of product.
If we are looking for the "best" RC for Sabonis, the E-XL looks like the hardest one to find. Just my 2 cents.
<< <i>The rc of Goose might be an early 1970's fleer. maybe 1972 They had made a globtrotter set. I remember getting Globetrotter cards in coco-puffs cereal >>
Different player That was "GEESE" Ausbie who will probably get in one day.
Looking for in PSA graded 1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+ 2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+ 3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos 1992 Courtside Flashback Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton) 2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology 2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos) Press Pass Legends
<< <i>Petrovic has the same '85 Panini sticker as Sabonis, but PSA uses the best NBA rookie for the set. The Paninis are considered pre-rookies. I do like them though. >>
I am not well informed with PSA these days For Sabonis and Petrovic that made the HOF for their European career makes more sense to me to use those, but I guess PSA follows Beckett. With Panini now being the only current company with an NBA license I could see those Panini stickers getting more attention.
Looking for in PSA graded 1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+ 2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+ 3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos 1992 Courtside Flashback Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton) 2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology 2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos) Press Pass Legends
Sounds like somebody has some E-XL Sabonis cards he wants to sell! Seriously though, SP is DEFINITELY the key Sabonis rookie. I've tracked this for a while in anticipation of his induction. The Garnett comparison is a good one. Garnett SPs routinely outsell E-XLs. SPs are also priced higher in Beckett ($75 vs. $40 per box). And, as previously mentioned, SPs are more condition sensitive. The reason there have been so many more SPs graded than E-XL is because SP is more valuable and desirable. This vote should really be a slam dunk for SP.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
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Removing Jerry Sloan won't require a vote, since he made it as a coach, but removing other cards will. There may be arguments for keeping some of them, but Stephon Marbury, for example, isn't ever getting into Springfield without a ticket.
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Which players do you think should be considered for delisting?
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1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS
<< <i>Here's who I would launch:
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS >>
Yes:
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN 17 1.00
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON 65 1.00
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER 91 1.00
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD 20 1.00
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE 180 1.00
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS 183 1.00
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS 10 1.00
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING 75 1.00
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS 154 1.00
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE 3 1.00
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE 68 1.00
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN 77 1.00
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN 20 1.00
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN 43 1.00
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER 57 1.00
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON 123 1.00
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND 56 1.00
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON U-92 1.00
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO 3 1.00
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 1 1.00
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING 2 1.00
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC 14 1.00
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER 212 1.00
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL 240 1.00
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD 286 1.00
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT 115 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT 138 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON 171 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH 182 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN 217 1.00
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN 115 1.00
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY 125 1.00
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE 135 1.00
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI 154 1.00
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER 199 1.00
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND 115 1.00
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL 131 1.00
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE 126 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES 111 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY 113 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH 114 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE 115 1.00
No:
1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO 26 1.00
1961 FLEER DON OHL 33 1.00
1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE 63 1.00
1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER 97 1.00
1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE 143 1.00
1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN 148 1.00
1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL 126 1.00
1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS 15 1.00
1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON 82 1.00
1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY 63 1.00
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY 189 1.00
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE 268 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY 177 1.00
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON 114 1.00
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS 116 1.00
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION 120 1.00
2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER 155 1.00
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS 157 1.00
2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI 124 1.00
2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING 146 1.00
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<< <i>Here's my take. Guys on top can stay (and I feel I was generous on some of them), and the guys on the bottom gotta go. I know this was discussed before, but Topps Chrome is absolutely not the card of choice for '98. That is SP. I guess that can be addressed (again) way down the road when these guys are eligible. >>
I agree with everything Shag has said except that I am not as "generous". The future HOF registry should represent a list of players that are very likely to be enshrined eventually but I see most of the players on the current list falling into the good but not great category. I personally don't want to chase a bunch of these cards of guys who are very unlikely to ever make the Hall. I also don't like to prematurely add some of the young guys who have to accomplish much more before they are truly worthy. I'd propose adding the following to the "no" list.
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN 17 1.00
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON 65 1.00
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER 91 1.00
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD 20 1.00
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS 183 1.00
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS 10 1.00
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS 154 1.00
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE 3 1.00
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON 123 1.00
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND 56 1.00
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING 2 1.00
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC 14 1.00
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER 212 1.00
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL 240 1.00
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND 115 1.00
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL 131 1.00
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE 126 1.00
<< <i>Why is Tim Hardaway out? Most of the sportscasters think he will get in at some point. >>
Tim Hardaway wouldn't be a terrible selection. Personally, I was a big fan. I could see him maybe being a finalist at some point, but that's it. He's behind likely non HOFers like Jackson, Strickland, and Porter in career assists, and behind K. Johnson and Nixon in career assists per game. Hardaway never won a championship, only made 5 All Star games, and finished in the top three in assists per game just three times - and never first. I'd be far from appalled if he did get in, but I just don't think he has a very good shot. IMO KJ was clearly the better player, and he's never even been a finalist. I think that's pretty telling.
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (1)
1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (2)
1961 FLEER DON OHL (2)
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (1)
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (1)
1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (2)
1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (2)
1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (2)
1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (2)
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (1)
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (1)
1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (2)
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (1)
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (1)
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (1)
1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (2)
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER
1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (2)
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (1)
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (1)
1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (2)
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (1)
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (1)
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (3)
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (1)
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2)
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (3)
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (3)
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (3)
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (2)
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (3)
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (3)
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (1)
2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (2)
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (3)
2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (2)
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (1)
2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (2)
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY
2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
Edit to add: I'm also throwing in an additional "no" vote for Chris Bosh (seems too premature to me).
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (1)
1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (3)
1961 FLEER DON OHL (3)
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (1)
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (1)
1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (3)
1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (3)
1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (3)
1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (3)
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (1)
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (1)
1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (3)
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (1)
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (1)
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (1)
1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (3)
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER
1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (3)
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (1)
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (1)
1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (3)
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (1)
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (1)
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (4)
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (1)
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2)
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (4)
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (4)
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (4)
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (2)
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (4)
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (4)
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (1)
2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (3)
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (4)
2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (3)
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (1)
2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (3)
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY
2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH (1)
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
I'll come back with my list shortly.
I was referencing making an initial list, because there are some guys who I doubt anyone would say shouldn't be included (e.g., Malone, Shaq, Garnett, and Kobe).
These are the guys who no one yet has said No to:
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE 180 1.00
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING 75 1.00
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE 68 1.00
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN 77 1.00
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN 20 1.00
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN 43 1.00
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER 57 1.00
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON U-92 1.00
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO 3 1.00
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL 1 1.00
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD 286 1.00
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT 115 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT 138 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON 171 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH 182 1.00
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN 217 1.00
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN 115 1.00
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY 125 1.00
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE 135 1.00
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI 154 1.00
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER 199 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES 111 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY 113 1.00
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE 115 1.00
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1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (1)
1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (3)
1961 FLEER DON OHL (3)
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (1)
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (1)
1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (2)
1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (2)
1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (2)
1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (3)
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (1)
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (1)
1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (2)
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (1)
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (1)
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (1)
1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (2)
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER
1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (2)
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (1)
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (1)
1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (2)
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (1)
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (1)
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (4)
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (1)
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2)
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (3)
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (4)
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (3)
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (2)
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (3)
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (3)
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (1)
2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (2)
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (3)
2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (2)
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (1)
2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (2)
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY
2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH (1)
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
I'm pretty generous as to who I'd kick off the list.
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I don't know if he'll make it, but the only reason I'd vote to drop a player from this set is if I think he has no chance.
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FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
except add kukoc, k johnson, aguire, bosh, stoudemire, and gasol to the no list.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (1)
1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (4)
1961 FLEER DON OHL (4)
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (1)
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (1)
1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (3)
1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (3)
1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (3)
1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (4)
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (1)
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (1)
1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (3)
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (1)
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (1)
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (2)
1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (3)
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER
1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (3)
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (2)
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (1)
1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (3)
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (1)
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (2)
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (5)
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (1)
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2)
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (4)
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (5)
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (4)
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (2)
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (4)
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (4)
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (2)
2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (3)
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (4)
2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (3)
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (2)
2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (3)
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY
2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH (2)
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
1961 FLEER RICHIE GUERIN (2)
1961 FLEER RUDY LARUSSO (5)
1961 FLEER DON OHL (5)
1969 TOPPS LOU HUDSON (2)
1969 TOPPS CHET WALKER (2)
1970 TOPPS BOB DANDRIDGE (4)
1970 TOPPS NORM VAN LIER (4)
1970 TOPPS JOJO WHITE (4)
1970 TOPPS JERRY SLOAN (5)
1971 TOPPS SPENCER HAYWOOD (2)
1972 TOPPS ARTIS GILMORE
1972 TOPPS GEORGE MCGINNIS (2)
1973 TOPPS PAUL WESTPHAL (4)
1978 TOPPS WALTER DAVIS (2)
1978 TOPPS BERNARD KING
1980 TOPPS TRIO MAURICE CHEEKS (2)
1986 FLEER MARK AGUIRRE (3)
1986 FLEER TOM CHAMBERS (4)
1986 FLEER KARL MALONE
1986 FLEER CHRIS MULLIN (1)
1988 FLEER SCOTTIE PIPPEN
1988 FLEER DENNIS RODMAN
1988 FLEER REGGIE MILLER
1988 FLEER MARK JACKSON (3)
1989 FLEER KEVIN JOHNSON (3)
1989 FLEER MITCH RICHMOND (2)
1990 FLEER TIM HARDAWAY (4)
1990 FLEER UPDATE GARY PAYTON
1991 UPPER DECK DIKEMBE MUTOMBO (1)
1992 UPPER DECK SHAQUILLE O'NEAL
1992 UPPER DECK ALONZO MOURNING (2)
1993 FINEST TONI KUKOC (2)
1993 FINEST ANFERNEE HARDAWAY (6)
1993 FINEST CHRIS WEBBER (2)
1994 FINEST GRANT HILL (2)
1994 FINEST JASON KIDD
1995 FINEST KEVIN GARNETT
1996 FLEER BEN WALLACE (5)
1996 TOPPS CHROME KOBE BRYANT
1996 TOPPS CHROME ALLEN IVERSON
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEPHON MARBURY (6)
1996 TOPPS CHROME STEVE NASH
1996 TOPPS CHROME RAY ALLEN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TIM DUNCAN
1997 TOPPS CHROME TRACY MCGRADY
1998 TOPPS CHROME PAUL PIERCE
1998 TOPPS CHROME DIRK NOWITZKI
1998 TOPPS CHROME VINCE CARTER
1999 TOPPS CHROME RICHARD HAMILTON (5)
1999 TOPPS CHROME ELTON BRAND (3)
1999 TOPPS CHROME BARON DAVIS (5)
1999 TOPPS CHROME SHAWN MARION (5)
2001 TOPPS CHROME PAU GASOL (2)
2001 TOPPS CHROME TONY PARKER (3)
2001 TOPPS CHROME GILBERT ARENAS (5)
2002 TOPPS CHROME MANU GINOBILI (4)
2002 TOPPS CHROME AMARE STOUDEMIRE (2)
2002 TOPPS CHROME YAO MING (3)
2003 TOPPS CHROME LEBRON JAMES
2003 TOPPS CHROME CARMELO ANTHONY
2003 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS BOSH (3)
2003 TOPPS CHROME DWYANE WADE
I would also add Arvidas Sabonis ----One of (if not the greatest) the greatest International Players of all time...
Dave
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1 Sergei Belov (USSR) 317 votes (HOFer)
2 Drazen Petrovic (YUG) 280 votes (HOFer)
3 Arvydas Sabonis (USSR) 277 votes
4 Kresimir Cosic (YUG) 273 votes (HOFer)
5 Toni Kukoc (YUG) 264 votes (in the future set)
6 Nikos Galis (GREECE) 251 votes
7 Radivoj Korac (YUG) 246 votes
8 Dino Meneghin (ITA) 221 votes (HOFer)
9 Drazen Dalipagic (YUG) 209 votes (HOFer)
10 Oscar Schmidt (BRAZIL) 205 votes
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1993-2006 11.6 PPG 4.2 RB 3.7 AST
Sabonis (like you said, started at age 31...way past prime)
1995-2003 12.0 PPG 7.3 RB 2.1 AST
Not to mention he was the European Player of the Year in 1984, 1985, 1988, 1995, 1999
Im not sure how you could justify Kukoc but not Sabonis...
Just my opinion of course...
Dave
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But, You voted to keep him in the set though..
BTW......Here is a tool that could be used to help create this set. (doenst work for the international players though)
Linky Dinky Do..
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HOF Probability
<< <i>I looked up Maciel Pereira on Beckett's site and there is no record of cards for him. >>
Beckett does not list all the stickers Panini made.
I don't remember Maciel having a sticker, but maybe he does in one of those oddball sets
1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos
1992 Courtside Flashback
Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
Press Pass Legends
<< <i>Well, it looks like I need a 69-70 #12 Gus Johnson and a Maciel Pereira card. I am guessing Pereira is in one of the Panini sets. >>
I have an extra Gus Johnson 8 if anyone needs one.
<< <i>There must be a whack of other registry sets that need the card. Is there a way to figure out how many sets a particular card appears in? >>
Far as I know the only way to tell is by adding it to your collection on the registry. Then it shows you all the sets it can be added to. If you're really curious you could always add a card, take a peek, and then delete it right away.
10 members
Dennis Rodman 1988-89 Fleer #43
Chris Mullin 1986-87 Fleer #77
Tara VanDerveer no idea unless there is a Stanford women's team set
Tex Winter
Herb Magee
Artis Gilmore 1972-73 Topps #180
Arvydas Sabonis
Teresa Edwards
Goose Tatum a Globetrotters set?
Tom Sanders 1969-70 Topps #72
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<< <i>Already sent the request in. To fill in the blanks, Sabonis is '95 SP and Edwards is '94 Flair USA. I don't think Tatum has a card. Not positive though. >>
Sabonis has Panini Stickers from the 80's
Is the RC from 1985?
1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos
1992 Courtside Flashback
Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
Press Pass Legends
They had made a globtrotter set. I remember getting Globetrotter cards in coco-puffs cereal
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>Already sent the request in. To fill in the blanks, Sabonis is '95 SP and Edwards is '94 Flair USA. I don't think Tatum has a card. Not positive though. >>
Just got the poll on Sabonis and was looking at the options. I would really recommend that we all think about adding the Skybox E-XL card for Sabonis. I hated the look of these cards but I think they are much harder to find than the SP cards. For comparison purposes I looked up the Kevin Garnett RCs in the pop report and found the following:
Total Cards Graded:
SP: 3,589
E-XL: 945
KG was the premier rookie from that year so I figure this is the best comparison possible. The E-XL cards do appear to be a little less condition sensitive than the SP cards but I see that BBCE still has unopened boxes of SP available so there does not appear to be a shortage of product.
If we are looking for the "best" RC for Sabonis, the E-XL looks like the hardest one to find. Just my 2 cents.
<< <i>The rc of Goose might be an early 1970's fleer. maybe 1972
They had made a globtrotter set. I remember getting Globetrotter cards in coco-puffs cereal >>
Different player
That was "GEESE" Ausbie who will probably get in one day.
1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos
1992 Courtside Flashback
Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
Press Pass Legends
<< <i>Petrovic has the same '85 Panini sticker as Sabonis, but PSA uses the best NBA rookie for the set. The Paninis are considered pre-rookies. I do like them though. >>
I am not well informed with PSA these days
For Sabonis and Petrovic that made the HOF for their European career makes more sense to me to use those, but I guess PSA follows Beckett.
With Panini now being the only current company with an NBA license I could see those Panini stickers getting more attention.
1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos
1992 Courtside Flashback
Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
Press Pass Legends