Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent ) >>
Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run? >>
I have a 2008-W $100.00 burnished platinum eagle in a PCGS MS-69 "First Strike" holder. Do you think I am better off leaving it alone as is, or trying to cross it over to an NGC-70 holder?
The population of FS coins is small. I'd guess there might be more value to that label than the crossover to an NGCMS70 without the early release designation. Not to mention the expense of regrading and the possibility it's designated NGCMS69.
>>Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run?<<
I don't see the Anna Harrison up yet - if it goes on sale later today (March 5), we'll see if the Monroe remains on sale also.
Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent ) >>
Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run? >>
Scratch that last Post !!! >>
Well when monroe came back yesterday i thought i was wrong!! But as it turns out I was right!!!!!
With the monroe unc. mintage at 4,519 ( Look Out Jackie Robinson ) The Monroe proof is 7,933 I can`t think of a modern commemorative Proof with lower mintages than 10,000. sure future spouses might come in lower than monroe, but for now the monroes are the modern commemerative kings !!
<< <i>With the monroe unc. mintage at 4,519 ( Look Out Jackie Robinson ) The Monroe proof is 7,933 I can`t think of a modern commemorative Proof with lower mintages than 10,000. sure future spouses might come in lower than monroe, but for now the monroes are the modern commemerative kings !! >>
<< <i>With the monroe unc. mintage at 4,519 ( Look Out Jackie Robinson ) The Monroe proof is 7,933 I can`t think of a modern commemorative Proof with lower mintages than 10,000. sure future spouses might come in lower than monroe, but for now the monroes are the modern commemerative kings !! >>
Wow that really sounds good! Where are these numbers from and do you have the sales for the Adams coins? Thanks!
Well I think i will wake up this thread ! Called the mint today to inquire about my 20 - 2008-W 1/4 oz Gold unc. american eagles. was told my card has been approved ( I think that means even though my card has not been charge yet, its good to go. ) anyway they said i can expect shipment the week of 3/16. The number has not changed in the NN for three weeks now, I hope they stay at 9,200
Anyone have 8-8-8 sets on backorder still? I have 2 sets ordered on 2/5 and they say In stock and Reserved but the cancel box is still there......any chance I will get them?
<< <i>Anyone have 8-8-8 sets on backorder still? I have 2 sets ordered on 2/5 and they say In stock and Reserved but the cancel box is still there......any chance I will get them? >>
Sorry, none on order, but I'd take 3:1 odds that you'll get them. Let us know!
Considering the AGE 1/4 2008-W was still available from mint just a few weeks ago and further allowing for pullback in spot gold prices I'm surprised by the strength of prices on Ebay for the AGE 1/4s.
Some hoarders getting in before numbers are finalized and published??
Schmitz makes, or alludes to a good point and one I have been trying to make all along - dispersion of coins is crucial. As far as I can tell, and I do not have absolute proof but have been watching carefully for a very long time, nobody is sitting on any great hoard of JRs. These got out there and no massive spec runs on them and they seem to be in MANY hands. The First Spouse/Hag series may not have such a pattern and therefore any one coin may be easier to come by even if the mintage is lower.
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<< <i>Schmitz makes, or alludes to a good point and one I have been trying to make all along - dispersion of coins is crucial. As far as I can tell, and I do not have absolute proof but have been watching carefully for a very long time, nobody is sitting on any great hoard of JRs. These got out there and no massive spec runs on them and they seem to be in MANY hands. The First Spouse/Hag series may not have such a pattern and therefore any one coin may be easier to come by even if the mintage is lower. >>
Great point. In fact, I would guess this analysis seems to apply to almost all recent Mint issues. Just by following the behavior of Forum members who share, it seems that collectively, we account for a good deal of hoarding of new key dates. I see some of us getting rid of extras, but it sure seems like people are sitting on them, too. How many of us are sitting on a stash of '08 proof plats? Buffs? Eagles? Alas, I don't have the bucks to be in that position, but it seems that many are and this will make the dynamics of recent low-mintage issues much different than those of JR, or even Smithsonian, FDR, and LOC.
And that other point that can't be repeated so often: who is EVER going to collect the First Spouses??? (I mean beyond the three people who are already doing so).
Dispersion is important, but even if some people have small hoards right now, when the coins reach a profitable point those pockets of availability will be diminished. The relative availability of a coin that just went off sale is likely a temporary phenomenon. The larger issue is really collectibility.
The Jackie Robinson has a few advantages. It's a commemorative, it's baseball, it has cultural significance. There is cross market appeal here that doesn't exist with the Monroe First Spouse gold.
Also, the JR is a standalone coin, whereas the Monroe coin is really part of a larger set. In some instances, being a low mintage coin that's part of a bigger set can be a big advantage-- when that set is widely collected. However, I'm not sure that there are going to be enough die-hard First Spouse gold collectors. Also, there's no guarantee that future First Spouse coins won't come in at even lower mintages- the appeal of the Monroe unc. gold coin will diminish somewhat if a later First Spouse gold supplants it. It's a series that could well follow the platinum model-- ongoing series where subsequent years bring lower and lower mintages. The hot coins in the First Spouse series are likely to be driven more by popularity of the Spouse than the mintage numbers. I imagine demand will be much higher for the First Spouses who people remember and/or identify with. Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Michelle Obama...
That's not to say that it's not a good coin-- any coin with a sub-5,000 mintage that's available at a small premium to melt is a pretty safe bet.
I will be making my first submissions of Burnished Uncirculated and Proof platinum eagles to PCGS and / or NGC in person at the Portland show.
Am I correct that when I submit the coins, I do so with the coins still in their capsules, but WITHOUT the blue mint packaging?
That's correct. The only time you need the packaging is if the coins are First Strike eligible, and then you have to submit the entire mint-sealed shipping box.
<< <i> I imagine demand will be much higher for the First Spouses who people remember and/or identify with. Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Michelle Obama...
That's not to say that it's not a good coin-- any coin with a sub-5,000 mintage that's available at a small premium to melt is a pretty safe bet. >>
All good points. If I had the money, I'd be snapping up the low mintage Spouse coins. Re: above, it's fun to anticipate which of these ladies might be very popular. I agree with the three you mentioned. Mary Lincoln seems like a no-brainer, despite her decline into the mental health abyss. I'd guess Lady Bird Johnson might also be a big hit. In fact, I'll bet all of the recent First Ladies do comparatively well. Jackie'll be Number One, though. Check back in six or seven years!
I think the Hillary Clinton coin might be a good one to get.
She's a pretty divisive figure-- some people love her, some people hate her.
That's a coin that will probably sell out, and could end up with a low surviving population -- I can imagine some people buying just to melt/deface it.
<< <i>I will be making my first submissions of Burnished Uncirculated and Proof platinum eagles to PCGS and / or NGC in person at the Portland show.
Am I correct that when I submit the coins, I do so with the coins still in their capsules, but WITHOUT the blue mint packaging?
That's correct. The only time you need the packaging is if the coins are First Strike eligible, and then you have to submit the entire mint-sealed shipping box. >>
<< <i>I think the Hillary Clinton coin might be a good one to get.
She's a pretty divisive figure-- some people love her, some people hate her.
That's a coin that will probably sell out, and could end up with a low surviving population -- I can imagine some people buying just to melt/deface it. >>
Ha! Certainly possible. Depends how she does as Secretary of State!
On the spouse coins there is no indication that Monroe is the final key. Many years left in the series and some of the coins yet to be released are unattractive to put it mildly. The last coin for 2009 is the worst yet IMO Margaret taylor. The least they could have done was have her smiling.
Also if gold prices keep rising they will become outrageously priced, the only hope I see for higher sales is a substantial drop for gold. If gold was $350 per ounce I think sales would be triple or more but at $1000 an ounce plus the premium over that they are too expensive for nearly all collectors. Also these spouse coins are a hard sell to old males that probably don't want to see spouses.
39 gold coins is also a large collection of coins with an unpopular topic.
I think these coins could hurt the normal modern gold commemoratives like the jackie Robinson because who would pay $5000 for a Jackie R. when the spouse coins with a lower mintage sell for under $700?
I bought one of the 1/2 gold commemoratives in ms70 for what the spouse coins sell for but I doubt it goes up much if ever because of this.
In the mint schedule they have added the gold eagles to the bottom of the page with this:
Production of United States Mint American Eagle Gold Proof and Uncirculated Coins has been temporarily suspended because of unprecedented demand for American Eagle Gold Bullion Coins. Currently, all available 22-karat gold blanks are being allocated to the American Eagle Gold Bullion Coin Program, as the United States Mint is required by Public Law 99-185 to produce these coins “in quantities sufficient to meet public demand . . . .â€
The United States Mint will resume the American Eagle Gold Proof and Uncirculated Coin Programs once sufficient inventories of gold bullion blanks can be acquired to meet market demand for all three American Eagle Gold Coin products. Additionally, as a result of the recent numismatic product portfolio analysis, fractional sizes of American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coins will no longer be produced.
If the mint is unable to produce the gold eagles for 2009 then I think they need to end those series as it is almost a 25 year run which is long enough.
We need new coin designs and a new series to replace the eagles, the w unc silver eagles could be also be a redesigned peace dollar and be very popular.
Having coins with the same design that compete with the bullion dealer coins is a mistake IMO. For the extra money they charge we should get better designs than the standard bullion releases.
"Additionally, as a result of the recent numismatic product portfolio analysis, fractional sizes of American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coins will no longer be produced. "
So at least the fractional UNC are gone. That means our key w unc gold eagles are established.
Is there a chance that *no* gold or silver eagle proof or burnished coins will be struck for 2009? The Mint's statement seems to imply that possibility, which would interrupt a 23-year tradition for the silver eagle and the one-ounce gold eagle. Excerpt follows:
"The United States Mint will resume the American Eagle Silver Proof and Uncirculated Coin Programs once sufficient inventories of silver bullion blanks can be acquired to meet market demand for all three American Eagle Silver Coin products." (The statement regarding gold coinage uses similar wording.)
As for platinum, will there be *anything* (bullion or proof) dated 2009?
So far the only coins confirmed to be ended seem to be the gold unc fractionals. As to what is to be produced this year the mint has made it an open question by listing the coins like this.
TBD 2009 American Buffalo One Ounce Gold Proof Coin Information on 2009 American Eagle Gold Proof Coin availability. Information on 2009 American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coin availability. Information on 2009 American Eagle Silver Proof Coin availability. Information on 2009 American Eagle Silver Uncirculated Coin availability.
The To Be Determined for the buffalo proof coin seems to suggest they will do it for 2009, they are just not sure when.
However it could also mean that they have to determine if they are going to do it at all.
It is To Be Determined.
The way they listed this could mean only the buffalo proof will be done for 2009 and all the others are suspended for 2009 to be restarted for 2010.
Or it could mean they are all only suspended as long as they don't have the blanks.
Is that confusing enough?
I think it is going to be odd to have a modern set of coins missing a year because the mint couldn't get blanks. I can just see on Ebay a complete set of silver proofs in the future except for a 2009 coin. The first thing people will think is "It is missing a coin".
The "W" Burnished coins are referred to as: Uncirculated
The "W" Proof coins are referred to as: Proof
The non-mintmarked coins are referred to as: Bullion
Thus far, the Mint has announced that the fractional Uncirculated AGEs, the fractional Buffs and the fractional Plats (both Uncirculated and Proof) are permanently kaput. I don't think that has changed.
The fractional Bullion AGEs were not kaput, but now it appears that they are "on hold".
The Uncirculated ("W" Burnished) ASEs (and the Proofs) are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion ASEs.
The 1 oz. Uncirculated and Proof AGEs are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion 1 oz. AGEs.
I'm not really sure about the Buffs, but it seems to me that the 1 oz. Uncirculated and Proof Buffs are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion 1 oz. Buffs.
The 1 oz. "W" Uncirculated Plats are kaput, but the 1 oz. "W" Proof Plats are only "on hold" while the Mint makes 1 oz. Bullion Plats, I assume.
Remember that the Mint calls the Burnished Uncs "Uncirculated" while they call the uncirculated Bullion issues "Bullion".
That's what we get when bureaucrats start dictating to numismatists. Expect more of the same.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Thus far, the Mint has announced that the fractional Uncirculated AGEs, the fractional Buffs and the fractional Plats (both Uncirculated and Proof) are permanently kaput. I don't think that has changed.
I know they told some publications and spread word of this so it is assumed they are kaput, but I don't think they have officially announced it unless I missed it. Just look at what they put up on their website, it is as confusing as the UHR release.
>>I'm not really sure about the Buffs, but it seems to me that the 1 oz. Uncirculated and Proof Buffs are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion 1 oz. Buffs.
The 1 oz. "W" Uncirculated Plats are kaput, but the 1 oz. "W" Proof Plats are only "on hold" while the Mint makes 1 oz. Bullion Plats, I assume.<<
So far, no 2009 bullion buffalos *or* platinum coins have appeared on the market. I haven't heard anything regarding a shortage of platinum coin blanks, but maybe that's the case.
>>I think it is going to be odd to have a modern set of coins missing a year because the mint couldn't get blanks.<<
You can fill in the missing year with an 1815 Large Cent!
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Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent )
Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run? >>
Scratch that last Post !!!
QUESTION FOR THE FORUM:
I have a 2008-W $100.00 burnished platinum eagle in a PCGS MS-69 "First Strike" holder. Do you think I am better off leaving
it alone as is, or trying to cross it over to an NGC-70 holder?
The population of FS coins is small. I'd guess there might be more value to that label than the crossover to an NGCMS70 without the early release designation. Not to mention the expense of regrading and the possibility it's designated NGCMS69.
I don't see the Anna Harrison up yet - if it goes on sale later today (March 5), we'll see if the Monroe remains on sale also.
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<< <i>Are those final numbers in yet???
ttt - numbers? >>
Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent )
Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run? >>
Scratch that last Post !!!
Well when monroe came back yesterday i thought i was wrong!! But as it turns out I was right!!!!!
CHA-CHING Coinmaster1229 is the MAN ( RAUFAS )
<< <i>WOW!!! The numbers came out and nobody cared... >>
They will probably stop even giving out 2008 numbers soon since they aren't changing until an audit.
This ship has moved on.
<< <i>With the monroe unc. mintage at 4,519 ( Look Out Jackie Robinson ) The Monroe proof is 7,933 I can`t think of a modern commemorative Proof with lower mintages than 10,000. sure future spouses might come in lower than monroe, but for now the monroes are the modern commemerative kings !!
FLBuffHunter is Back !!!!!!!!!
<< <i>Can someone tell me what the 2008 w uncirculated buffs costs where if purchased individually? >>
Coin Net - US Mint Coin Prices & Premiums
<< <i>With the monroe unc. mintage at 4,519 ( Look Out Jackie Robinson ) The Monroe proof is 7,933 I can`t think of a modern commemorative Proof with lower mintages than 10,000. sure future spouses might come in lower than monroe, but for now the monroes are the modern commemerative kings !!
Wow that really sounds good!
Where are these numbers from and do you have the sales for the Adams coins?
Thanks!
The number has not changed in the NN for three weeks now, I hope they stay at 9,200
Or go down!
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<< <i>Anyone have 8-8-8 sets on backorder still? I have 2 sets ordered on 2/5 and they say In stock and Reserved but the cancel box is still there......any chance I will get them? >>
Sorry, none on order, but I'd take 3:1 odds that you'll get them. Let us know!
It looks to me like most have most of the W Unc Buffs have decreased by a couple hundred. Is that correct?
And the Proof 1/2 oz. Plat - is 239 higher than before?
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>And the Proof 1/2 oz. Plat - is 239 higher than before? >>
... thats not what I am seeing ... the number on the 2008-W $50.00 proof platinums seems unchanged.
Some hoarders getting in before numbers are finalized and published??
Backorders are being filled now.
Monroe 4519 unc 7933 proof
dollar set 54,733
<< <i>Seven backorders later ... the 1/4 oz 2008-W uncirc platinum I ordered on Oct 21 at 7:20 pm (as indicated in the order history) arrived today.
Backorders are being filled now. >>
hmmm..... maybe they fired up the minting presses again!
It looks like prices are knocking on the 4K door.
If those numbers are final, the Elizabeth Monroe unc. will have less than 7/8 the mintage of the 1997 Jackie Robinson $5 unc.
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Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>Schmitz makes, or alludes to a good point and one I have been trying to make all along - dispersion of coins is crucial. As far as I can tell, and I do not have absolute proof but have been watching carefully for a very long time, nobody is sitting on any great hoard of JRs. These got out there and no massive spec runs on them and they seem to be in MANY hands. The First Spouse/Hag series may not have such a pattern and therefore any one coin may be easier to come by even if the mintage is lower. >>
Great point. In fact, I would guess this analysis seems to apply to almost all recent Mint issues. Just by following the behavior of Forum members who share, it seems that collectively, we account for a good deal of hoarding of new key dates. I see some of us getting rid of extras, but it sure seems like people are sitting on them, too. How many of us are sitting on a stash of '08 proof plats? Buffs? Eagles? Alas, I don't have the bucks to be in that position, but it seems that many are and this will make the dynamics of recent low-mintage issues much different than those of JR, or even Smithsonian, FDR, and LOC.
And that other point that can't be repeated so often: who is EVER going to collect the First Spouses??? (I mean beyond the three people who are already doing so).
QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:
I will be making my first submissions of Burnished Uncirculated and Proof platinum eagles
to PCGS and / or NGC in person at the Portland show.
Am I correct that when I submit the coins, I do so with the coins still in their capsules,
but WITHOUT the blue mint packaging?
Many thanks!
The Jackie Robinson has a few advantages. It's a commemorative, it's baseball, it has cultural significance. There is cross market appeal here that doesn't exist with the Monroe First Spouse gold.
Also, the JR is a standalone coin, whereas the Monroe coin is really part of a larger set. In some instances, being a low mintage coin that's part of a bigger set can be a big advantage-- when that set is widely collected. However, I'm not sure that there are going to be enough die-hard First Spouse gold collectors. Also, there's no guarantee that future First Spouse coins won't come in at even lower mintages- the appeal of the Monroe unc. gold coin will diminish somewhat if a later First Spouse gold supplants it. It's a series that could well follow the platinum model-- ongoing series where subsequent years bring lower and lower mintages. The hot coins in the First Spouse series are likely to be driven more by popularity of the Spouse than the mintage numbers. I imagine demand will be much higher for the First Spouses who people remember and/or identify with. Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Michelle Obama...
That's not to say that it's not a good coin-- any coin with a sub-5,000 mintage that's available at a small premium to melt is a pretty safe bet.
to PCGS and / or NGC in person at the Portland show.
Am I correct that when I submit the coins, I do so with the coins still in their capsules,
but WITHOUT the blue mint packaging?
That's correct. The only time you need the packaging is if the coins are First Strike eligible, and then you have to submit the entire mint-sealed shipping box.
<< <i> I imagine demand will be much higher for the First Spouses who people remember and/or identify with. Eleanor Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy, Michelle Obama...
That's not to say that it's not a good coin-- any coin with a sub-5,000 mintage that's available at a small premium to melt is a pretty safe bet. >>
All good points. If I had the money, I'd be snapping up the low mintage Spouse coins. Re: above, it's fun to anticipate which of these ladies might be very popular. I agree with the three you mentioned. Mary Lincoln seems like a no-brainer, despite her decline into the mental health abyss. I'd guess Lady Bird Johnson might also be a big hit. In fact, I'll bet all of the recent First Ladies do comparatively well. Jackie'll be Number One, though. Check back in six or seven years!
She's a pretty divisive figure-- some people love her, some people hate her.
That's a coin that will probably sell out, and could end up with a low surviving population -- I can imagine some people buying just to melt/deface it.
<< <i>I will be making my first submissions of Burnished Uncirculated and Proof platinum eagles
to PCGS and / or NGC in person at the Portland show.
Am I correct that when I submit the coins, I do so with the coins still in their capsules,
but WITHOUT the blue mint packaging?
That's correct. The only time you need the packaging is if the coins are First Strike eligible, and then you have to submit the entire mint-sealed shipping box. >>
... thank you!
David
<< <i>I think the Hillary Clinton coin might be a good one to get.
She's a pretty divisive figure-- some people love her, some people hate her.
That's a coin that will probably sell out, and could end up with a low surviving population -- I can imagine some people buying just to melt/deface it. >>
Ha! Certainly possible. Depends how she does as Secretary of State!
On the spouse coins there is no indication that Monroe is the final key. Many years left in the series and some of the coins yet to be released are unattractive to put it mildly. The last coin for 2009 is the worst yet IMO Margaret taylor. The least they could have done was have her smiling.
Also if gold prices keep rising they will become outrageously priced, the only hope I see for higher sales is a substantial drop for gold. If gold was $350 per ounce I think sales would be triple or more but at $1000 an ounce plus the premium over that they are too expensive for nearly all collectors. Also these spouse coins are a hard sell to old males that probably don't want to see spouses.
39 gold coins is also a large collection of coins with an unpopular topic.
I think these coins could hurt the normal modern gold commemoratives like the jackie Robinson because who would pay $5000 for a Jackie R. when the spouse coins with a lower mintage sell for under $700?
I bought one of the 1/2 gold commemoratives in ms70 for what the spouse coins sell for but I doubt it goes up much if ever because of this.
Production of United States Mint American Eagle Gold Proof and Uncirculated Coins has been temporarily suspended because of unprecedented demand for American Eagle Gold Bullion Coins. Currently, all available 22-karat gold blanks are being allocated to the American Eagle Gold Bullion Coin Program, as the United States Mint is required by Public Law 99-185 to produce these coins “in quantities sufficient to meet public demand . . . .â€
The United States Mint will resume the American Eagle Gold Proof and Uncirculated Coin Programs once sufficient inventories of gold bullion blanks can be acquired to meet market demand for all three American Eagle Gold Coin products. Additionally, as a result of the recent numismatic product portfolio analysis, fractional sizes of American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coins will no longer be produced.
We need new coin designs and a new series to replace the eagles, the w unc silver eagles could be also be a redesigned peace dollar and be very popular.
Having coins with the same design that compete with the bullion dealer coins is a mistake IMO. For the extra money they charge we should get better designs than the standard bullion releases.
Thanks for the updates on Mintages.
Miles
Buffs are largely Gone, what is next?? I would be suprised to see any fractionals in any material this year.
Miles
"Additionally, as a result of the recent numismatic product portfolio analysis, fractional sizes of American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coins will no longer be produced. "
So at least the fractional UNC are gone. That means our key w unc gold eagles are established.
"The United States Mint will resume the American Eagle Silver Proof and Uncirculated Coin Programs once sufficient inventories of silver bullion blanks can be acquired to meet market demand for all three American Eagle Silver Coin products." (The statement regarding gold coinage uses similar wording.)
As for platinum, will there be *anything* (bullion or proof) dated 2009?
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TBD 2009 American Buffalo One Ounce Gold Proof Coin
Information on 2009 American Eagle Gold Proof Coin availability.
Information on 2009 American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coin availability.
Information on 2009 American Eagle Silver Proof Coin availability.
Information on 2009 American Eagle Silver Uncirculated Coin availability.
The To Be Determined for the buffalo proof coin seems to suggest they will do it for 2009, they are just not sure when.
However it could also mean that they have to determine if they are going to do it at all.
It is To Be Determined.
The way they listed this could mean only the buffalo proof will be done for 2009 and all the others are suspended for 2009 to be restarted for 2010.
Or it could mean they are all only suspended as long as they don't have the blanks.
Is that confusing enough?
I think it is going to be odd to have a modern set of coins missing a year because the mint couldn't get blanks. I can just see on Ebay a complete set of silver proofs in the future except for a 2009 coin. The first thing people will think is "It is missing a coin".
That's why I'm gonna order them at 9:00A the day they become available.
The "W" Burnished coins are referred to as: Uncirculated
The "W" Proof coins are referred to as: Proof
The non-mintmarked coins are referred to as: Bullion
Thus far, the Mint has announced that the fractional Uncirculated AGEs, the fractional Buffs and the fractional Plats (both Uncirculated and Proof) are permanently kaput. I don't think that has changed.
The fractional Bullion AGEs were not kaput, but now it appears that they are "on hold".
The Uncirculated ("W" Burnished) ASEs (and the Proofs) are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion ASEs.
The 1 oz. Uncirculated and Proof AGEs are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion 1 oz. AGEs.
I'm not really sure about the Buffs, but it seems to me that the 1 oz. Uncirculated and Proof Buffs are "on hold" in order to fulfill demand for Bullion 1 oz. Buffs.
The 1 oz. "W" Uncirculated Plats are kaput, but the 1 oz. "W" Proof Plats are only "on hold" while the Mint makes 1 oz. Bullion Plats, I assume.
Remember that the Mint calls the Burnished Uncs "Uncirculated" while they call the uncirculated Bullion issues "Bullion".
That's what we get when bureaucrats start dictating to numismatists. Expect more of the same.
I knew it would happen.
I know they told some publications and spread word of this so it is assumed they are kaput, but I don't think they have officially announced it unless I missed it. Just look at what they put up on their website, it is as confusing as the UHR release.
The 1 oz. "W" Uncirculated Plats are kaput, but the 1 oz. "W" Proof Plats are only "on hold" while the Mint makes 1 oz. Bullion Plats, I assume.<<
So far, no 2009 bullion buffalos *or* platinum coins have appeared on the market. I haven't heard anything regarding a shortage of platinum coin blanks, but maybe that's the case.
>>I think it is going to be odd to have a modern set of coins missing a year because the mint couldn't get blanks.<<
You can fill in the missing year with an 1815 Large Cent!
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