This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's Price ($) Price as of 1 year ago Loss ($) % Change 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's Price ($) Price as of 1 year ago Loss ($) % Change 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me >>
>>
Like some stocks, this just means a good time to buy. I think that these will be fantastic coins in years to come, esp. the $50
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's Price ($) Price as of 1 year ago Loss ($) % Change 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me >>
>>
Like some stocks, this just means a good time to buy. I think that these will be fantastic coins in years to come, esp. the $50 >>
These must be the ones that Eric and others scratched up by tumble polishing them before they sent them off to Kitco last year.
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's Price ($) Price as of 1 year ago Loss ($) % Change 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0% 21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0% 21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me >>
>>
Like some stocks, this just means a good time to buy. I think that these will be fantastic coins in years to come, esp. the $50 >>
These must be the ones that Eric and others scratched up by tumble polishing them before they sent them off to Kitco last year. >>
These numbers don't match population reports at least not the PCGS reports....................
Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope.
<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Same here... Got my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set today poorly packaged. But glad to finally have it
<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Same here... Got my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set today poorly packaged. But glad to finally have it >>
Glad to have it indeed - could flip it on Ebay for nearly $2K profit immediately, though I'm keeping mine.
Will all of these backoredred Plat Proofs increase the numbers we've been looking at? I assume not as they are sales numbers, but just want to be sure.
FINALLY got through to a Mint rep on the phone. She said that since the web site has been down that the phone center has been overloaded. Of course, she had no idea when the site will be fixed.
If you thought that the old reps were clueless, these reps know absolutely NOTHING about the products, nothing!!
I inquired as to why they are NOT shipping the UHRs on a first ordered, first shipped basis. She informed me that none had been shipped yet - good lord. No clue.
<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Great score! Glad you got 'em. These are just going to be unbelievable in a few years.
<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Great score! Glad you got 'em. These are just going to be unbelievable in a few years. >>
Thanks Grits!! I had totally given up all hope - watching the backorder date move back daily. I'm just thrilled that they finally arrived.
Yes, it will be so interesting to see how these plats will do in the future. I was glad to get my half and quarter proof & would like to have had the full set - congratulations on it!!!
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>Yes, it will be so interesting to see how these plats will do in the future. I was glad to get my half and quarter proof & would like to have had the full set - congratulations on it!!! >>
Thanks!
Judging by how the 2004 plat proof did, and given that the 2008 plat proof beat out the 2004 by a huge margin, I think that the 2008 will be just stellar in time.
In fact, I think that in years to come, many collectors and investors will speak of 2008 as one of THE key years in numismatics.
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that only the most recent four First Spouse coins are available at any given time (unless a sellout occurs first).
The question is at what mintages will it be low enough to hold a price multiple in later years. Based on these numbers it is unlikely many will collect the entire series as could already be guessed by the crashing sales. It is a more expensive set than even the one ounce platinum coins.
<< <i>39 spouse coins is over $23,000 dollars to complete at current mint prices which may be the most expensive modern series except for one ounce gold eagles
Price of completed sets at current market price comparison. ***Rough calculations***
The question is at what mintages will it be low enough to hold a price multiple in later years. Based on these numbers it is unlikely many will collect the entire series as could already be guessed by the crashing sales. It is a more expensive set than even the one ounce platinum coins. >>
At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office.
<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office. >>
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy?
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I seriously doubt that all 20,000 have been minted. Besides, they do not know ahead of time how many Bu and how many Proof will be needed before the max mintage is reached. Most likely what the informed? Mint employee was referring to was the current mintage run. They will complete a run of perhaps 5000 or so, and those will certainly remain on sale until sold out.
It's possible that since these are minted to demand, that each issue will remain open until the end of the entire series. When there are enough orders in for a single issue, perhaps another run will minted.
If the Mint minted the full 20000 mintage when each is issued...... think how many blanks would be needed and how much the Mint would have tied up in the slow moving issues. They would not be able to afford doing this for long (or at least IMO it would be bad business model). And with the problems the Mint seems to be having in even obtaining blanks,.....
<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office. >>
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy? >>
BO is getting the same 'break' that GB received for the last 8 years.
BO actively campaigned for the job knowing full well the circumstances. He's been hired, so he also gets the 'benefits' that come with the job.
Instead of giving a political rant, how about giving us your opinion on what we can expect gold and silver to do under a BO administration? Bullish? Bearish? Confiscation? Do you think the US Mint will continue to sell gold and silver throughout the next 4 years? There are many of us who really do try to understand what mayl be coming in the future in these areas.
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release.
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue???
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue??? >>
Yes I bought the monroe & I expect them to go dark next week!!
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue??? >>
Yes I bought the monroe & I expect them to go dark next week!! >>
Is anyone else picking up the Monroe Unc. for these reasons??
<< <i>Is anyone else picking up the Monroe Unc. for these reasons?? >>
I'll probably get some of the later spouses when interest in the program is at its nadir. I'm thinking Chester Arthur's spouse or Benjamin Harrison's spouse.
I don't believe the Mint will sell 20,000 of each spouse. They will need to do something to attract more interest. I look for one of the Hags to have an ultra low mintage/sales...
<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office. >>
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy? >>
You must be pretty young as I thought the worst economy in most of our lifetimes was in the late 70's when inflation and unemployment were both running rampantly in double digit territory. Ronald Reagan lead us out of that.
Obama inherited this mess from the big spending democratic congress and bill clinton's directive to loosen credit so that all people could buy a house whether they could afford it or not.
<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office. >>
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy? >>
You must be pretty young as I thought the worst economy in most of our lifetimes was in the late 70's when inflation and unemployment were both running rampantly in double digit territory. Ronald Reagan lead us out of that.
Obama inherited this mess from the big spending democratic congress and bill clinton's directive to loosen credit so that all people could buy a house whether they could afford it or not. >>
We should be very careful with this thread about getting into, shall we say, "non-numismatic" topics as this thread is way too valuable to get zapped yet this is exactly what will happen if it (or any thread) turns policital. IMHO, we really should just stick to the topic line. This is one of THE best threads on the boards and it would really be a shame to see it go. :-)
<< <i> You must be pretty young as I thought the worst economy in most of our lifetimes was in the late 70's when inflation and unemployment were both running rampantly in double digit territory. Ronald Reagan lead us out of that.
Obama inherited this mess from the big spending democratic congress and bill clinton's directive to loosen credit so that all people could buy a house whether they could afford it or not. >>
Ha! Nice selective memory, CH! And I agree with Raufus, take the politics over to the Precious Metals forum, which seems to be much more tolerant of this kind of stuff.
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue??? >>
Yes I bought the monroe & I expect them to go dark next week!! >>
Interesting that it has been just over one year and the Monroe FS Golds are still up. It looks like they do keep them on sale until they sell what ever runs that they have minted, not just for one year.
>>Interesting that it has been just over one year and the Monroe FS Golds are still up. It looks like they do keep them on sale until they sell what ever runs that they have minted, not just for one year.
Anna Harrison FS goes up for sale March 5 - see if the Monroe coins go dark the same day.
<< <i>>>Interesting that it has been just over one year and the Monroe FS Golds are still up. It looks like they do keep them on sale until they sell what ever runs that they have minted, not just for one year.
Anna Harrison FS goes up for sale March 5 - see if the Monroe coins go dark the same day. >>
I till think the Monroe will go dark by the march 5th. ( wait and see )
When the storm is at its worst and the citizenry must resort to inhuman acts to survive - That is when the Hags will win.
Who knows, maybe at some point, mintage will actually cease. Future Mint personel could then create a few fantasy pieces much like the 1913 Nickel and the 1804 Dollar.
But in a scenario like that, who wins?
Like asking a starving person if he values 1 brown egg over 2 white ones.
Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent )
I think they are releasing five spouse coins for 2009 so if people didn't want the four of 2008 will they want five this year? And we thought the platinum coins were low sales, this is gold.
Year First Spouse Years Served 2007 1 Martha Washington 1789–1797 2 Abigail Adams 1797–1801 3 Thomas Jefferson's Liberty 1801–1809 4 Dolley Madison 1809–1817
2008 5 Elizabeth Monroe 1817–1825 6 Louisa Adams 1825–1829 7 Andrew Jackson's Liberty 1829–1837 8 Martin Van Buren's Liberty 1837–1841
2009 9 Anna Harrison 1841 10 Letitia Tyler Julia Tyler 1841–1842 1844–1845 11 Sarah Polk 1845–1849 12 Margaret Taylor 1849–1850
2010 13 Abigail Fillmore 1850–1853 14 Jane Pierce 1853–1857 15 James Buchanan's Liberty 1857–1861 16 Mary Lincoln 1861–1865
2011 17 Eliza Johnson 1865–1869 18 Julia S. Grant 1869–1877 19 Lucy Hayes 1877–1881 20 Lucretia Garfield 1881
2012 21 Alice Paul 1881–1885 22 Frances Cleveland 1885–1889 23 Caroline Harrison 1889–1893 24 Frances Cleveland 1893–1897
2013 25 Ida McKinley 1897–1901 26 Edith Roosevelt 1901–1909 27 Helen Taft 1909–1913 28 Ellen Wilson Edith Wilson 1913–1914 1915–1921
Since the brief flurry last week, has anyone received any APE proofs this week?
I still have some APE proofs on backorder since the ordering frenzy on 12/8. Last week I called the US Mint and they said that the backorder shipping date was 3/11.
So, do these get added into the mintage data, or are they already included?
Since the brief flurry last week, has anyone received any APE proofs this week?
I still have some APE proofs on backorder since the ordering frenzy on 12/8. Last week I called the US Mint and they said that the backorder shipping date was 3/11.
So, do these get added into the mintage data, or are they already included?
Am I repeating myself? Am I repeating myself?
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent ) >>
Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run?
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<< <i>Speaking of Dogs......06-W Plats......
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers
PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's
Price ($) Price as of
1 year ago Loss ($) % Change
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me
You make such sweeping statements and quote scripture (sales reports) as if they are Mintages........one never knows what to expect from you?
There are a few forum members on the trail of the plat unc w mintages and we will have them long before they normally show up.......
until then, we are patient to wait....
when variety mintages are displayed they are usually included as part of the original total mintage,
and no one treats the non-variety version as a semi-key or key if the resulting number is low enough
so in closing, the market wont consider the 08w regular ase the key unless final TOTAL mintages (08w ase regular+08/07w ase) prove otherwise.
Shipment CONFIRMATION:
"Items included in this shipment:
1. 2008 AE PLAT PRF 4 COIN (8T5) Qty : 1 "
The order was placed Dec. 8 just before 9 p.m.
SCHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!
<< <i>What about the PO-01's?
<< <i>Speaking of Dogs......06-W Plats......
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers
PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's
Price ($) Price as of
1 year ago Loss ($) % Change
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me
>>
Like some stocks, this just means a good time to buy. I think that these will be fantastic coins in years to come, esp. the $50
<< <i>
<< <i>What about the PO-01's?
<< <i>Speaking of Dogs......06-W Plats......
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers
PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's
Price ($) Price as of
1 year ago Loss ($) % Change
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me
>>
Like some stocks, this just means a good time to buy. I think that these will be fantastic coins in years to come, esp. the $50 >>
These must be the ones that Eric and others scratched up by tumble polishing them before they sent them off to Kitco last year.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>What about the PO-01's?
<< <i>Speaking of Dogs......06-W Plats......
This Year's Top 10 Losers Total of 7290 Losers See All of This Year's Losers
PCGS No Description Desig Grade Today's
Price ($) Price as of
1 year ago Loss ($) % Change
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 63 710 1,430 -720 -50.4%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 64 720 1,440 -720 -50.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 63 700 1,400 -700 -50.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 65 730 1,450 -720 -49.7%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 64 710 1,410 -700 -49.7%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 66 740 1,460 -720 -49.3%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 65 720 1,420 -700 -49.3%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 67 750 1,470 -720 -49.0%
21127 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty MS 66 730 1,430 -700 -49.0%
21123 2006-W $50 Statue of Liberty First Strike MS 68 760 1,480 -720 -48.7%
Hey PCGS is saying it, not me
>>
Like some stocks, this just means a good time to buy. I think that these will be fantastic coins in years to come, esp. the $50 >>
These must be the ones that Eric and others scratched up by tumble polishing them before they sent them off to Kitco last year. >>
These numbers don't match population reports at least not the PCGS reports....................
<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Same here... Got my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set today poorly packaged. But glad to finally have it
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<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Same here... Got my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set today poorly packaged. But glad to finally have it
Glad to have it indeed - could flip it on Ebay for nearly $2K profit immediately, though I'm keeping mine.
Will all of these backoredred Plat Proofs increase the numbers we've been looking at? I assume not as they are sales numbers, but just want to be sure.
If you thought that the old reps were clueless, these reps know absolutely NOTHING about the products, nothing!!
I inquired as to why they are NOT shipping the UHRs on a first ordered, first shipped basis. She informed me that none had been shipped yet - good lord. No clue.
<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Great score! Glad you got 'em. These are just going to be unbelievable in a few years.
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<< <i>Got home and my Four Coin 2008 W Plat. Proof set was in my mailbox with the lid barely closed where anyone could have grabbed it, poorly packaged in an oversized box where it can bang around. Of course, I'm thrilled that I got it as I had long ago given up hope. >>
Great score! Glad you got 'em. These are just going to be unbelievable in a few years. >>
Thanks Grits!! I had totally given up all hope - watching the backorder date move back daily. I'm just thrilled that they finally arrived.
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>Yes, it will be so interesting to see how these plats will do in the future. I was glad to get my half and quarter proof & would like to have had the full set - congratulations on it!!! >>
Thanks!
Judging by how the 2004 plat proof did, and given that the 2008 plat proof beat out the 2004 by a huge margin, I think that the 2008 will be just stellar in time.
In fact, I think that in years to come, many collectors and investors will speak of 2008 as one of THE key years in numismatics.
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!!
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The question is at what mintages will it be low enough to hold a price multiple in later years. Based on these numbers it is unlikely many will collect the entire series as could already be guessed by the crashing sales. It is a more expensive set than even the one ounce platinum coins.
<< <i>39 spouse coins is over $23,000 dollars to complete at current mint prices which may be the most expensive modern series except for one ounce gold eagles
Price of completed sets at current market price comparison. ***Rough calculations***
spouses *assuming all released* mint prices
$23,400
gold commemorative unc
$17,000
gold eagle unc
1/10 $3780
1/4 $9450
1/2 $15,600
1 $30,800
plat eagle proof
1/10 $3600
1/4 $5800
1/2 $9240
1 $17,640
plat eagle unc
1/10 $3800
1/4 $6250
1/2 $10,800
1 $20,800
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The question is at what mintages will it be low enough to hold a price multiple in later years. Based on these numbers it is unlikely many will collect the entire series as could already be guessed by the crashing sales. It is a more expensive set than even the one ounce platinum coins. >>
At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office.
<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office.
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy?
<< <i>Hag question:
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I seriously doubt that all 20,000 have been minted. Besides, they do not know ahead of time how many Bu and how many Proof will be needed before the max mintage is reached. Most likely what the informed? Mint employee was referring to was the current mintage run. They will complete a run of perhaps 5000 or so, and those will certainly remain on sale until sold out.
It's possible that since these are minted to demand, that each issue will remain open until the end of the entire series. When there are enough orders in for a single issue, perhaps another run will minted.
If the Mint minted the full 20000 mintage when each is issued...... think how many blanks would be needed and how much the Mint would have tied up in the slow moving issues. They would not be able to afford doing this for long (or at least IMO it would be bad business model). And with the problems the Mint seems to be having in even obtaining blanks,.....
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<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office.
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy? >>
BO is getting the same 'break' that GB received for the last 8 years.
BO actively campaigned for the job knowing full well the circumstances. He's been hired, so he also gets the 'benefits' that come with the job.
Instead of giving a political rant, how about giving us your opinion on what we can expect gold and silver to do under a BO administration? Bullish? Bearish? Confiscation? Do you think the US Mint will continue to sell gold and silver throughout the next 4 years? There are many of us who really do try to understand what mayl be coming in the future in these areas.
<< <i>Hag question:
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release.
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<< <i>Hag question:
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue???
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<< <i>Hag question:
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue??? >>
Yes I bought the monroe & I expect them to go dark next week!!
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<< <i>Hag question:
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue??? >>
Yes I bought the monroe & I expect them to go dark next week!!
Is anyone else picking up the Monroe Unc. for these reasons??
<< <i>Is anyone else picking up the Monroe Unc. for these reasons?? >>
I'll probably get some of the later spouses when interest in the program is at its nadir. I'm thinking Chester Arthur's spouse or Benjamin Harrison's spouse.
No, I think the Jackson/Van Buren Liberty designs will achieve greater long-term popularity, even if the mintages are somewhat higher.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
<< <i>I am only collecting the Liberties... One more to go next year. >>
Yea... and it's the medals for me.
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<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office.
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy? >>
You must be pretty young as I thought the worst economy in most of our lifetimes was in the late 70's when inflation and unemployment were both running rampantly in double digit territory. Ronald Reagan lead us out of that.
Obama inherited this mess from the big spending democratic congress and bill clinton's directive to loosen credit so that all people could buy a house whether they could afford it or not.
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<< <i>[At the rate Obama is sinking the country, there melt value will be 4 times there original cost. Then the next election will put Jeb Bush in office.
The guy has been in office a month, can you give someone a break. As americans its in all of our best interest that we get out of this, and right now with a pile of crap he inherited, we have to cut slack and let him have at least a reasonable grace period. For crying out loud he got the worst economy in my life time handed to him, not to mention two wars and record deficits. No blame on the last guy? >>
You must be pretty young as I thought the worst economy in most of our lifetimes was in the late 70's when inflation and unemployment were both running rampantly in double digit territory. Ronald Reagan lead us out of that.
Obama inherited this mess from the big spending democratic congress and bill clinton's directive to loosen credit so that all people could buy a house whether they could afford it or not. >>
We should be very careful with this thread about getting into, shall we say, "non-numismatic" topics as this thread is way too valuable to get zapped yet this is exactly what will happen if it (or any thread) turns policital. IMHO, we really should just stick to the topic line. This is one of THE best threads on the boards and it would really be a shame to see it go. :-)
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You must be pretty young as I thought the worst economy in most of our lifetimes was in the late 70's when inflation and unemployment were both running rampantly in double digit territory. Ronald Reagan lead us out of that.
Obama inherited this mess from the big spending democratic congress and bill clinton's directive to loosen credit so that all people could buy a house whether they could afford it or not. >>
Ha! Nice selective memory, CH! And I agree with Raufus, take the politics over to the Precious Metals forum, which seems to be much more tolerant of this kind of stuff.
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<< <i>Hag question:
I know that many have speculated that some Hags, esp. sub-5K mintage ones, might be great coins in time.
A Mint rep. (and I know how little some of them know) said that each Hag is minted in full and will be sold, for years if necessary, until they sell out. Is this correct? If not, how long are they sold for?
Thanks!! >>
I also can't believe the Mint mints all 40,000 of each First Spouse up-front. It just wouldn't make sense. I think we'll know in a few months what the pattern is going to be on sales, but I think all indications are these will only stay on sale for one year after release. >>
The Elizabeth Monroe was released one year ago today and the UNC is sub 5K mintage. Anyone buying or has anyone bought this issue??? >>
Yes I bought the monroe & I expect them to go dark next week!!
Interesting that it has been just over one year and the Monroe FS Golds are still up. It looks like they do keep them on sale until they sell what ever runs that they have minted, not just for one year.
Anna Harrison FS goes up for sale March 5 - see if the Monroe coins go dark the same day.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
<< <i>>>Interesting that it has been just over one year and the Monroe FS Golds are still up. It looks like they do keep them on sale until they sell what ever runs that they have minted, not just for one year.
Anna Harrison FS goes up for sale March 5 - see if the Monroe coins go dark the same day. >>
I till think the Monroe will go dark by the march 5th. ( wait and see )
Hey...it's Tuesday...so doesn't that usually mean more deceptive sales numbers from the Mint?!?
What does Swami say?
<< <i>Are those final numbers in yet???
ttt - numbers?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
<< <i>Man, this thread is dead. >>
It will liven up when the final numbers are posted.
Who knows, maybe at some point, mintage will actually cease. Future Mint personel could then create a few fantasy pieces much like the 1913 Nickel and the 1804 Dollar.
But in a scenario like that, who wins?
Like asking a starving person if he values 1 brown egg over 2 white ones.
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Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent )
Year First Spouse Years Served
2007
1 Martha Washington 1789–1797
2 Abigail Adams 1797–1801
3 Thomas Jefferson's Liberty 1801–1809
4 Dolley Madison 1809–1817
2008
5 Elizabeth Monroe 1817–1825
6 Louisa Adams 1825–1829
7 Andrew Jackson's Liberty 1829–1837
8 Martin Van Buren's Liberty 1837–1841
2009
9 Anna Harrison 1841
10 Letitia Tyler
Julia Tyler 1841–1842
1844–1845
11 Sarah Polk 1845–1849
12 Margaret Taylor 1849–1850
2010
13 Abigail Fillmore 1850–1853
14 Jane Pierce 1853–1857
15 James Buchanan's Liberty 1857–1861
16 Mary Lincoln 1861–1865
2011
17 Eliza Johnson 1865–1869
18 Julia S. Grant 1869–1877
19 Lucy Hayes 1877–1881
20 Lucretia Garfield 1881
2012
21 Alice Paul 1881–1885
22 Frances Cleveland 1885–1889
23 Caroline Harrison 1889–1893
24 Frances Cleveland 1893–1897
2013
25 Ida McKinley 1897–1901
26 Edith Roosevelt 1901–1909
27 Helen Taft 1909–1913
28 Ellen Wilson
Edith Wilson 1913–1914
1915–1921
2014
29 Florence Harding 1921–1923
30 Grace Coolidge 1923–1929
31 Lou Hoover 1929–1933
32 Anna Eleanor Roosevelt 1933–1945
2015
33 Elizabeth Truman 1945–1953
34 Mamie Eisenhower 1953–1961
35 Jacqueline Kennedy 1961–1963
36 Claudia Taylor "Lady Bird" Johnson 1963–1969
2016 37 Patricia Ryan "Pat" Nixon 1969–1974
I still have some APE proofs on backorder since the ordering frenzy on 12/8. Last week I called the US Mint and they said that the backorder shipping date was 3/11.
Miles
So, do these get added into the mintage data, or are they already included?
Since the brief flurry last week, has anyone received any APE proofs this week?
I still have some APE proofs on backorder since the ordering frenzy on 12/8. Last week I called the US Mint and they said that the backorder shipping date was 3/11.
So, do these get added into the mintage data, or are they already included?
Am I repeating myself? Am I repeating myself?
I knew it would happen.
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Well all the hags are down for repricing & the new one that comes out tomarrow! If I`m right when they come back up the Monroe will not be with them !!! ( And I Am RIGHT !!! )
RAUFUS, Just remember I`m like EF Hutton ( When COINMASTER1229 Speaks the hole room goes silent )
Ummm..... you might want to check the US Mint website...... the Monroe is back with the same pricing as the others....... looks like they might keep selling as long as they have some left from the most recent minting run?