I just replied to Cosetta and from the sound of her email to me she is at least open to reviewing whatever you want to send her. I think we all trust your judgement and you certainly have a much better relationship with the staff than probably any of us do. I think from the number of emails that were sent to Joe, we have accomplished our goal to get their attention and they seem very willing to listen.
I support whatever weighting you compile and hopefully your logic will get them to make some obvious corrections. Are you game?
I just replied to Cosetta and from the sound of her email to me she is at least open to reviewing whatever you want to send her. I think we all trust your judgement and you certainly have a much better relationship with the staff than probably any of us do. I think from the number of emails that were sent to Joe, we have accomplished our goal to get their attention and they seem very willing to listen.
I support whatever weighting you compile and hopefully your logic will get them to make some obvious corrections. Are you game?
Thanks, Doc >>
Sure, funny thing is, I DID send them my updates for this year back in Jan as I always do. They updated all of the Key Card sets with no issues, but never updated the HOF RC weightings until this new system was put in.
I will e-mail Cosetta tomorrow morning and see what they want to do. The weighting breakdown chart has to be fixed before anything else will even make sense.
Jason
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I just sent the below to both the Registry e-mail and to Joe Orlando. Just want to do my part - we may all need to in order to get the change:
Hello PSA,
Thank you for providing the Set Registry to us collectors. It's a most fun and rewarding way to collect.
Please consider my input to review the recent Grade Weight changes for the subject set. The changes show wide inconguencies, and significantly diminish the set's validity, hence collectibility. I, for one, have made significant financial outlay into the hobby only to be penalized by a system that is currently largely nonsensical.
PSA has been great to me so far. I have confidence that this can be straightened out soon. Without an imposition, may I suggest that longtime registrant, respected hobby expert, and frequent Set Registry Message Board adviser Mr. Jason Peeples aid in Grade Weight advice?
Dave, let me see if i can hurt your head a little more...lol
I'm currently updating my VCP spreasheet with shows average prices for all HOF RC's in PSA 8 (a few are in PSA 7 since no PSA 8's have sold) and I am comparing it to SMR. For the cards with only PSA 7 prices, I am using a mathmatical equation based on PSA 7 sales of comparable (same set) cards that have had a PSA 8 sell to determine an estimated price.
Here is the overall snapshot of SMR accuracy in PSA 8 by decade (I've only completed 30s, 40s, and 50s so far)
1930s- SMR total value- $71,150- Actual VCP value- $93,120.58- SMR 81% accurate 1940s- SMR total value- $34,675- Actual VCP value- $125,974.09- SMR 28% accurate 1950s- SMR total value- $29,375- Actual VCP value- $43,997.36- SMR 67% accurate
No surprise, the 1948 Leaf are still SIGNIFICANTLY undervalued in the SMR. Particualrly in the higher grades which are extremely rare. Pretty descent on the 1930s and not terribly bad on the 50's.
I'm guessing the 60s, 70s and 80s will fare a bit better because there are fewer big dollar cards.
Jason
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Here are the numbers for the 1960's..Not as good as I thought they might be. Quite a few actually higher in the SMR than actual realized prices.
1960s- SMR total value- $13,360- Actual VCP value- $19084.84- SMR 70% accurate
Jason
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Interesting stats, Jason P. In fact, when I think of price disparities between SMR and VCP, I usually think of 1948 Leaf Football and your stats underline that.
Good news - it looks like we're getting through to PSA. Following the thread, it looks like J. Orlando forwarded my message to Cosetta. Cosetta's response to me appears below. If you have concerns similar to mine, voicing them yourself can only help:
Hi Keith,
We are glad you enjoy the registry and are glad to have you as a member. The registry is for the collecting community and therefore, we appreciate the input. Over the next week or so, we will be reviewing the recent updates along with Jason’s suggestions.
Thank you, Cosetta Robbins Assistant Set Registry Manager
1970s- SMR total value- $2,962.00- Actual VCP value- $2,707.19- SMR 91% accurate 1980s- SMR total value- $576.00- Actual VCP value- $451.14- SMR 78% accurate
So for the modern stuff, at least at the PSA 8 level, the SMR is higher than the realized. I think if you did this with PSA 9's, it would be the opposite. All in all not too off base here.
Jason
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Great job to all who emailed Joe, they must now think we are a bunch of crazy football fanatics! Don't mess with the HOF Set!!! Jason, thanks for heading up the effort and please continue to keep us posted.
I spoke with Cosetta yesterda yvia e-mail and forwarded her my updated grade weights based on SMR PSA 8 price and the weighting breakdown I posted earlier. I also let her know that I have completed my VCP in PSA 8 price spreadsheet if that would be something they are interested in or if it would help get the SMR up-to-date, but haven't heard back on that.
Here is what the updated grade weights look like using our old system and SMR prices. If anyone would like a copy of this, or a copy of my VCP priced weighting spreadsheet, shoot me an e-mail at jabeduco@yahoo.com and I will send you a copy.
1933 RED GRANGE 3500 8 1933 JIM THORPE 4000 8 1935 DUTCH CLARK 4000 8 1935 KEN STRONG 2300 7 1935 CLIFF BATTLES 2300 7 1935 TURK EDWARDS 2750 7.5 1935 CLARK HINKLE 2300 7 1935 BRONCO NAGURSKI 50000 10 1948 BULLDOG TURNER 900 6 1948 ALEX WOJCIEWISKOWSKI 400 4 1948 PETE PIHOS 700 5.5 1948 SID LUCKMAN 9500 9 1948 DOAK WALKER 1250 6.5 1948 BOBBY LAYNE 1800 7 1948 GEORGE MCAFEE 985 6 1948 STEVE VAN BUREN 1300 6.5 1948 BOB WATERFIELD 1400 6.5 1948 CHARLEY TRIPPI 975 6 1948 SAMMY BAUGH 3500 8 1948 BILL DUDLEY 1000 6 1948 GEORGE CONNOR 915 6 1948 LEO NOMELLINI 1950 7 1948 CHUCK BEDNARIK 9000 9 1950 YA TITTLE 950 6 1950 LOU GROZA 450 4 1950 TONY CANADEO 300 3.5 1950 JOE PERRY 450 4 1950 MARION MOTLEY 650 5 1950 OTTO GRAHAM 1150 6.5 1950 TOM FEARS 325 3.5 1950 ELROY HIRSCH 650 5 1950 DANTE LAVELLI 325 3.5 1951 NORM VAN BROCKLIN 1275 6.5 1951 ARNIE WEINMEISTER 350 3.5 1951 LOU CREEKMUR 275 3 1951 EMLEN TUNNELL 375 4 1951 ERNIE STAUTNER 450 4 1952 FRANK GIFFORD 925 6 1952 GINO MARCHETTI 650 5 1952 HUGH MCELHENNY 650 5 1952 ART DONOVAN 900 6 1952 WAYNE MILLNER 425 4 1952 ANDY ROBUSTELLLI 575 5 1952 JOE STYDAHAR 2000 7 1952 OLLIE MATSON 1750 7 1952 JACK CHRISTENSEN 715 5.5 1952 YALE LARY 615 5 1954 DOUG ATKINS 195 2.5 1954 GEORGE BLANDA 495 4.5 1955 MIKE MCCORMACK 150 2.5 1955 LEN FORD 125 2 1955 JOHN HENRY JOHNSON 160 2.5 1955 JIM RINGO 325 3.5 1955 BOB ST. CLAIR 325 3.5 1955 FRANK GATSKI 190 2.5 1955 MEL HEIN 185 2.5 1955 ERNIE NEVERS 225 3 1955 BENNY FRIEDMAN 90 1.5 1955 BRUISER KINARD 185 2.5 1955 ACE PARKER 185 2.5 1955 DON HUTSON 775 5.5 1955 FATS HENRY 550 4.5 1956 ROOSEVELT BROWN 125 2 1956 JOE SCHMIDT 125 2 1956 BILL GEORGE 125 2 1956 LENNY MOORE 350 3.5 1956 STAN JONES 125 2 1957 DICK LANE 375 4 1957 RAYMOND BERRY 500 4.5 1957 BART STARR 1750 7 1957 TOMMY MCDONALD 275 3 1957 JOHNNY UNITAS 1000 6 1957 PAUL HORNUNG 1250 6.5 1958 JIM BROWN 2350 7 1958 SONNY JURGENSEN 315 3.5 1959 SAM HUFF 125 2 1959 JIM PARKER 65 1.5 1959 BOBBY MITCHELL 65 1.5 1959 JIM TAYLOR 65 1.5 1960 RON MIX 125 2 1960 FORREST GREGG 90 1.5 1961 JIM OTTO 100 2 1961 DON MAYNARD 100 2 1961 HENRY JORDAN 110 2 1962 BILLY SHAW 120 2 1962 MIKE DITKA 750 5.5 1962 FRANK TARKENTON 750 5.5 1963 NICK BUONICONTI 250 3 1963 LEN DAWSON 375 4 1963 LANCE ALWORTH 500 4.5 1963 DEACON JONES 135 2 1963 BOB LILLY 375 4 1963 WILLIE WOOD 125 2 1963 RAY NITSCHKE 250 3 1963 LARRY WILSON 70 1.5 1964 JOHN MACKEY 85 1.5 1964 HERB ADDERLEY 75 1.5 1964 WILLIE DAVIS 75 1.5 1964 MERLIN OLSEN 95 1.5 1964 JIM JOHNSON 60 1.5 1964 BOBBY BELL 85 1.5 1964 BUCK BUCHANON 85 1.5 1965 PAUL WARFIELD 165 2.5 1965 MEL RENFRO 200 2.5 1965 CARL ELLER 80 1.5 1965 PAUL KRAUSE 75 1.5 1965 CHARLEY TAYLOR 175 2.5 1965 WILLIE BROWN 250 3 1965 JOE NAMATH 4500 8.5 1965 FRED BILETNIKOFF 600 5 1966 DICK BUTKUS 925 6 1966 GALE SAYERS 475 4.5 1966 GENE HICKERSON 30 1 1966 BOB HAYES 145 2 1966 BOB BROWN 40 1 1967 LEROY KELLY 675 5 1967 JACKIE SMITH 135 2 1967 DAVE WILCOX 135 2 1968 BOB GRIESE 250 3 1969 LARRY CSONKA 145 2 1970 JAN STENERUD 20 1 1970 ELVIN BETHEA 35 1 1970 ALAN PAGE 35 1 1970 LEM BARNEY 30 1 1970 OJ SIMPSON 115 2 1970 TOM MACK 20 1 1971 KEN HOUSTON 35 1 1971 WILLIE LANIER 50 1.5 1971 TERRY BRADSHAW 450 4 1971 ROGER WEHRLI 40 1 1971 CHARLIE SANDERS 40 1 1971 JOE GREENE 115 2 1972 JOHN RIGGINS 42 1 1972 TED HENDRICKS 55 1.5 1972 RON YARY 35 1 1972 EMMITT THOMAS 35 1 1972 GENE UPSHAW 35 1 1972 ROGER STAUBACH 650 5 1972 LARRY LITTLE 40 1 1972 CHARLIE JOINER 40 1 1972 RAYFIELD WRIGHT 45 1 1973 ART SHELL 32 1 1973 FRANCO HARRIS 85 1.5 1973 JACK HAM 50 1.5 1973 DAN DIERDORF 32 1 1973 JIM LANGER 20 1 1973 JACK YOUNGBLOOD 32 1 1974 JOE DELAMIELLEURE 27 1 1974 JOHN HANNAH 25 1 1975 MEL BLOUNT 20 1 1975 LYNN SWANN 65 1.5 1975 DAN FOUTS 45 1 1976 WALTER PAYTON 235 3 1976 RANDY WHITE 22 1 1976 JACK LAMBERT 36 1 1977 LEE ROY SELMON 22 1 1977 MIKE HAYNES 22 1 1977 MIKE WEBSTER 22 1 1977 HARRY CARSON 22 1 1977 STEVE LARGENT 50 1.5 1977 DAVE CASPER 22 1 1978 FRED DEAN 10 1 1978 TONY DORSETT 35 1 1978 JOHN STALLWORTH 14 1 1979 OZZIE NEWSOME 20 1 1979 JAMES LOFTON 20 1 1979 EARL CAMPBELL 35 1 1981 KELLEN WINSLOW 9 1 1981 ART MONK 10 1 1981 JOE MONTANA 110 2 1981 DAN HAMPTON 10 1 1982 ANTHONY MUNOZ 9 1 1982 LAWRENCE TAYLOR 16 1 1982 RONNIE LOTT 15 1 1983 MIKE SINGLETARY 8 1 1983 MARCUS ALLEN 10 1 1984 JOHN ELWAY 50 1.5 1984 HOWIE LONG 10 1 1984 DAN MARINO 45 1 1984 DWIGHT STEPHENSON 5 1 1984 ANDRE TIPPETT 3 1 1984 ERIC DICKERSON 6 1 1984 JACKIE SLATER 4 1 1984 DARRELL GREEN 7 1 1984 JIM KELLY 45 1 1984 STEVE YOUNG 90 1.5 1984 REGGIE WHITE 40 1 1985 WARREN MOON 15 1 1985 MIKE MUNCHAK 4 1 1986 BRUCE SMITH 10 1 1987 GARY ZIMMERMAN 4 1 1989 RANDALL MCDANIEL 5 1 1989 MICHAEL IRVIN 5 1 1989 ROD WOODSON 3 1 1989 BRUCE MATTHEWS 3 1 1989 THURMAN THOMAS 3 1 1989 BARRY SANDERS 15 1 1989 DERRICK THOMAS 3 1 1989 TROY AIKMAN 13 1
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Not sure if anyone else uses this, but just got another payment in my PayPal so figured it would be a good time to post a link to save you money on ebay purchases like I do.
For ebay purchases, you get 36% cash back on the ebay final value fees on any item you purchased on ebay. Sounds crazy, but it works.
I signed up like 18 months ago, and this is how much cash back I've gotten back since then: Total Earned: $646.08
You get the rebate to your PayPal account every month for all your purchases. All you have to do is click through a bigcrumbs link into ebay before you bid or hit a BIN.
Anyway, it's free to use, give it a try. Not sure why anyone who buys on ebay would NOT use this...lol
Prime example...I purchased a PSA 8 1952 Bowman Large Wayne Millner on ebay last month. 04/19/2009 -----PAID $821.50-----Seller FVF $33.06-----My cash back $11.90
So I saved almost $12 on the purchase. Might not sound like much, but it definitely adds up and most certainly better than nothing!
Jason
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How does this company make money from it? Advertising? Also, Since you have to go through their site, are you able to use a snipe service or do you just have to bid?
<< <i>How does this company make money from it? Advertising? Also, Since you have to go through their site, are you able to use a snipe service or do you just have to bid? >>
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No, snipe services don't work with it. You have to bid or BIN or Best offer manually. The way I do it...They provide an ebay link that I have saved to my favorites...When I click on a card on ebay that I want to bid on or hit a BIN, I then go directly to the saved bigcrumbs link. It takes me to the main ebay page which shows the most recently visited auctions to include the card I had just clicked on and want to bid and/or buy. I go to the item again and place the bid or BIN.
I still use snipes occasionally, but 95% of the time, the stuff I buy is either BIN or I will bid my high early and let it ride or within the final hour or so using my iphone. I don't think I've won many (if any) cards via snipe service in the past 6+ months...Usually the cards I feel the need to use it on end up going for way more than I will pay anyway...lol
Even if you use it once a month on a BIN, you're getting cashback for it for nothing other than a click through.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
That's interesting. I'm just the opposite. I bet I use ebay 95% snipe and 5% BIN (if that). I cant remember the last time I used BIN. It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site.
<< <i>That's interesting. I'm just the opposite. I bet I use ebay 95% snipe and 5% BIN (if that). I cant remember the last time I used BIN. It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site.
Dave >>
For me, sniping was more useful when not many ebayers were using it. Now, with so many (seemingly) using it, it has become much less useful for me. When I am bidding on auctions (not BIN's) but bidding..I either bid my high early on and let it ride, or I manually bid near the end of the auction.
The Millner Bowman Large 8 I mentioned above is a perfect example...I bid my high with 2 hours left in the auction. If anyone had a snipe set, it was lower than where my bid was because there were no snipes at the end. I got the card for $425 cheaper than the last Millner Large 8 to sell on ebay a few years ago.
My high price is my high price on a card...My "snipe" price is always the same as my highest manual bid...I don't "fight" over any auctions by bidding over and over...Based on some of the deals I've gotten not using snipe combined with some of the cards I loose using snipe it has become a much less useful service for me. But hey, to each his own. If sniping works for you and you think it is saving you money, then certainly that is the way you should go. For anyone else who uses BIN's or bids on cards manually as I do most of the time, then using Bigcrumbs is a great option to get cashback on your ebay purchases.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>That's interesting. I'm just the opposite. I bet I use ebay 95% snipe and 5% BIN (if that). I cant remember the last time I used BIN. It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site.
Dave >>
Dave, out of curiosity I went to see how your auction outcomes have been lately...
You won a 1938 Dixie Lids Nagurski in which you bid 10 minutes prior to auction end..Was that a snipe? There were 2 snipes that came in from other bidders in the final 2 seconds however.
You won a 1972 Riggins 8 with a last minute snipe, but there were no others bidders within the final 2 hours, so didn't really help you there.
Same with a 1984 Marino 9 you won. You won with a bid in the last :18 seconds, but there were no other bidders in the final 12 hours of the auction.
You won an 1988 Doleman in which you placed your winning bid the day prior to auction end..
You won a 1984 Reggie White 9 with a bid placed 2 hours before end of auction...
You won a 1978 Fred Dean 9 that you placed your bid 2+ hours before auction end...
I guess arguably the one a snipe helped you win was a 1984 Elway 9 where you outsniped one other guy...But Elway PSA 9's are a dime a dozen and you didn;t get a particularly "cheap" price on it. A better centered one sold a week later for $12 cheaper...
To me, I'm not sure how much you really saved on all these winnings by using snipe vs. how much cash back you could have gotten using bigcrumbs. It typically comes out to about $2.00 per every $100 spent on auction winnings, and based on the above I think it would be tough to say that sniping saved you anything.
Not trying to dog you here, but just trying to understand why anyone still thinks sniping saves them money. It is GREAT help when there is an item ending that you won't be available to bid on it manually within the last few hours...But saving you money? I just don't see it..Not with so many other bidders using snipe services. You just outsnipe each other raher than outbid each other...lol..The prices are no different that I have seen lately. Am I missing something?
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys - Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL title.
Jason, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but your #'s are off. It looks like the only one of the cards that I won that is more than 1 day off is the Doleman. I bid the minimum bid and happened to win it. The others were within a few hours of closing and you call me out on them?? Did you happen to find any BIN's that I used??
I know we have butted heads in the past but, come on ..Is this really a topic to discuss? I bid on what I bid but have no reason to keep the fued going....... I realize that if I sign up under you name that you would get more $ Is that really what you want?? I get sick and tired of you saying that if the set gets changed, that you will sell, or change what you your collecting goals are. It gets really old. I collect this set because I love the Football HOF and the players. I'm not in this to make you happy.
That being said, I respect your opinion on this set and know that you are as passionate about is as I am. Sometimes you come off as the "Football HOF guru".............Thats fine but I don't like being "put down", like I am ingorant..." Every thing that you say is right and anything anyone else says is wrong.....WTF???
Dave, I could honestly care less if you sign up or not...
You made a statement "It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site." I wanted to see if that was the case, and if it were maybe I would need to re-evaluate my own decision to rarely use snipes anymore. But after further review, I only saw one item that you actually used a snipe to your advantage. Which really kind of flies in the face your statement...Which made me wonder why you made it???
Not sure where you think I put you down...I posted some info for anyone interested in saving some money on ebay purchases..You posted a question about it, which I answered..Then you made a statement that did not match the reality of your recent ebay wins. Pretty simple...I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings, I just wanted clarification since you went out on the limb to make that statement.
Not sure where you are coming from with this: "I get sick and tired of you saying that if the set gets changed, that you will sell, or change what you your collecting goals are. It gets really old. I collect this set because I love the Football HOF and the players."
I'm no different than anyone else who collects this set. I've been bothered by some of the changes PSA has made over the years..I've also changed my collecting goals many times along the way...But I certainly don't feel like that is something I do often AT ALL...And honestly don't remember the last time I said it or felt that way...Its been awhile so again, not sure what your point is here...
Anyway, I guess the moral of this story is, if you are going to make it a point to make a statement about something, you probably want to have the stats to back it up. That way no one will need to question your motives or reasoning..But based on your recent ebay history, I really have to wonder why you said what you said there...Only reason I can think is that you felt like taking another little dig at me, of which I rarely respond to...And me needing to type this post is the exact reason I don't...
Let's just move on shall we..If you have anything further, PM or e-mail me privately rather than turning this great thread into a flame war...
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Come on Jason, I'm in no need to get into a "flame war", but I have no reason to debate you on this....
<< <i>Not sure where you are coming from with this: "I get sick and tired of you saying that if the set gets changed, that you will sell, or change what you your collecting goals are. It gets really old. I collect this set because I love the Football HOF and the players."
I'm no different than anyone else who collects this set. I've been bothered by some of the changes PSA has made over the years..I've also changed my collecting goals many times along the way...But I certainly don't feel like that is something I do often AT ALL...And honestly don't remember the last time I said it or felt that way...Its been awhile so again, not sure what your point is here...
>>
It seems like everytime this issue comes (about changing the set) up that you say something about. ....If that's the case, I'll just look to change the way I collect........It's come up several times...But I don't feel I need to search back in this thread to find it....I've got better things to do......I just hate the "holier than thou" attitude. I'm sure others feel the same way but I'm the only one with the balls to say that....Again,............I highly respect your opinion, but sometimes your attitude gets in the way........ I have had several people tell me that they would love to get more involved in this thread, but are afraid they would offend you in some way..........and that you would "go off" on them........
Well, let me say for you and for anyone else who wants to post here...Just because I disagree with something you say or simply want clarification of a statement doesn't mean I right or perfect. I've never said or implied it. But yes I will stand behind any statements I make and will debate my points if I have them. Nothing wrong with that for any of us...
You still never clarified really the only thing I was asking..How are you saving money with snipe services? If you are as you say, then please clue the rest of us in on the secret...
You know its funny, I've thought the same after reading many of your posts here on the boards..Sometimes your attitude also gets in the way...You've said yourself many times in this very thread that you are clueless on many of the old-time players and on various card issues...Then you come here and ask a question then get pissy when you don't get the answer you wanted to hear. Sounds like something we both need to work on I guess...
Best of luck with your "snipes". Which snipe service do you use by the way?
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Well, let me say for you and for anyone else who wants to post here...Just because I disagree with something you say or simply want clarification of a statement doesn't mean I right or perfect. I've never said or implied it. But yes I will stand behind any statements I make and will debate my points if I have them. Nothing wrong with that for any of us...
You still never clarified really the only thing I was asking..How are you saving money with snipe services? If you are as you say, then please clue the rest of us in on the secret...
You know its funny, I've thought the same after reading many of your posts here on the boards..Sometimes your attitude also gets in the way...You've said yourself many times in this very thread that you are clueless on many of the old-time players and on various card issues...Then you come here and ask a question then get pissy when you don't get the answer you wanted to hear. Sounds like something we both need to work on I guess...
Best of luck with your "snipes". Which snipe service do you use by the way?
Jason >>
Well Jason..Where do I start....Am I saving money using snipeing servises?....Well, I don't know of any "professional sniping" services, but I believe ( without proof) that I am saving $. Otherwise, why would sniping services exist??? Maybe I'm clueless.... (BTW..I use auctionstealer.com. It has never failed me in the 5+ years I have used it..........) Also....
<< <i>Sometimes your attitude also gets in the way...You've said yourself many times in this very thread that you are clueless on many of the old-time players and on various card issues.. >>
I AM clueless about the older players but have learned alot about them in the last few years. I don't believe that I have an "attitude" about them but I have really wanted to learn about them more "in depth". I have visited the HOF, and have even read books about the 30's and 40's., If anyone else thinks I have an attitude about this, I would love to hear about it. ( Please PM me if there are issues). When are you talking about me getting "pissy" about an issue? I assume it is when I was asking about George Halas and George Owen not being in the HOF RC set even though they are listed on the HOF website as being inducted as players?/ Seemed like a good question to me> (in which i still have'nt gotten a good answer to.??)...............I still don't know why the HOF lists' them as players but that's not good enough to include them in the set?))
You've done great things for the hobby Jason, but I have to agree with Dave on this one.
Sniping saves me thousands every year. BINs are generally only hit by suckers. Any experienced seller will tell you that. Why else would they run the same stale overpriced BINs over and over again month after month?
They're hoping to get lucky and hook a naive buyer. To pretend otherwise is just plain silly ...
<< <i>You've done great things for the hobby Jason, but I have to agree with Dave on this one.
Sniping saves me thousands every year. BINs are generally only hit by suckers. Any experienced seller will tell you that. Why else would they run the same stale overpriced BINs over and over again month after month?
They're hoping to get lucky and hook a naive buyer. To pretend otherwise is just plain silly ... >>
Paul, my defense here is not of BINs. The issue is/was would I save more using snipe vs. bidding manually through bigcrumbs. I used to use snipes religiously myself. But it got to the point where I didn't feel as though it was helping me any more than manually bidding in the final couple of hours or minutes. Except when it was an item that was ending at a time where I wouldn't be able to bid in the final stanza.
I'd love to hear/see your numbers on this if you have them. As with Dave, I'm not trying to dog anyone. I'm not the all knowing power of the HOF RC universe. If there is some better way of using sniping services that can truly show that I can/will have saved more than $600 over the last 18 months as bigcrumbs has, I would be a fool not to listen and learn about it.
As far as BINs go, one thing I will disagree on is that all BINs are for suckers. I can assure you, when I hit a BIN it is NOT on an overpriced item. On the contrary, I find quite a few nice deals on BINs when I catch the listing early. Not to mention e-mailing the seller an offer price only to have them lower the BIN within my price range. The ones that are overpriced will sit there forever, but with ebay offering $.35 BIN listings for 30 days, ALOT of sellers have moved that direction. At least with the cards I am looking to buy I RARELY even have anything to bid on via auction that I actually need.
Anyway, thanks for the input. If you have some actual stats on snipes and where they saved you tons of money in the past year (I agree, they used to be very useful prior to the ebay changes of 2008) please share that with us.
Dave, as far as the Halas/Owen situation, we disagreed on the issue, pretty simple. The absolute best way to solve a disagreement here is by voting and going with popular opinion. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we have a vote on adding Halas and/or Owen? And overwhelmingly the vote was to keep them off the set? Instead of trying to strong arm everyone who collects this set into collecting 2 guys who were elected to the HOF PRIMARILY as coaches, send your request to PSA and let the collectors decide. IMO, 9 out of 10 (if not higher) football fans would hear the names George Halas and/or Steve Owen and think HOF COACH not HOF PLAYER. I can't make you grasp that if you haven't already.
I'm sorry you are still belly aching over that issue, and it seems that is probably your reasoning for making contrary statements to me for no reason over the past few months. I thought popular vote would be the fair way but obviously that wasn't good enough. As you say, I don't collect this set to make you happy. I want what is best for the set and not just for myself or because I have a new bright idea to re-invent the wheel. So by all means, send your request to PSA so we don't have to waste anymore keystrokes debating an issue that in my mind is not even debatable.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Sniping saves me thousands every year. BINs are generally only hit by suckers. Any experienced seller will tell you that. Why else would they run the same stale overpriced BINs over and over again month after month?
They're hoping to get lucky and hook a naive buyer. To pretend otherwise is just plain silly ... >>
Paul, my defense here is not of BINs. The issue is/was would I save more using snipe vs. bidding manually through bigcrumbs. I used to use snipes religiously myself. But it got to the point where I didn't feel as though it was helping me any more than manually bidding in the final couple of hours or minutes. Except when it was an item that was ending at a time where I wouldn't be able to bid in the final stanza.
I'd love to hear/see your numbers on this if you have them. As with Dave, I'm not trying to dog anyone. I'm not the all knowing power of the HOF RC universe. If there is some better way of using sniping services that can truly show that I can/will have saved more than $600 over the last 18 months as bigcrumbs has, I would be a fool not to listen and learn about it.
As far as BINs go, one thing I will disagree on is that all BINs are for suckers. I can assure you, when I hit a BIN it is NOT on an overpriced item. On the contrary, I find quite a few nice deals on BINs when I catch the listing early. Not to mention e-mailing the seller an offer price only to have them lower the BIN within my price range. The ones that are overpriced will sit there forever, but with ebay offering $.35 BIN listings for 30 days, ALOT of sellers have moved that direction. At least with the cards I am looking to buy I RARELY even have anything to bid on via auction that I actually need. >>
Might as well step between the feuding factions and suggest that both have valid points. While most BIN prices are excessive, those that a savvy buyer executes are typically items that are listed far below market or items that are posted with a prearranged BIN price.
With the increased usage of sniping software, it has almost become obsolete to see a bidding war on an eBay item other than the final two bids in the last seconds of the auction. While the premise of sniping is to eliminate a layer or two of overbids, I seriously doubt that the success rate of sniping is as drastic an advantage over manually placing as bid as it was one year ago.
Typically, I will place my snipe when I see the item an be done with it. However, I'm becoming more and more likely to either place a manual bid or if the item has not received a bid, make an offer to the seller to buy the item outright.
In the event that I place a manual bid or contact the seller and agree on a BIN, I would be a fool not to use such a service as BigCrumbs.com. I use the Live.com discount on BIN items. Now, while the Live.com discount (when at 15%) encouraged purchases of BIN items that may have been slightly overpriced, I don't think the BigCrumbs.com will have the same effect. It appears to be an accumlative process.
Anyway, perhaps J and D can get over the personal differences. There's plenty of room in the sandbox, but we don't need anyone pissing in the middle of it. It really messes up the rest of the sand...
I absolutely agree with 10000% of everything you just said, you stated the situation perfectly and completely. Thanks for that!
BTW, you can get both the Bigcrumbs discount AND the Live.com discount on any single item purchase. I used both on a $1,000 (negotiated) BIN and saved $200 via Live.com and another $22.82 via Bigcrumbs. Bigcrumbs can also be used on manual auction bids, not just BIN's.
I'm not sure why anyone would not use ALL of these available options to best save themselves money. Sniping, manual bids, BINs, Bigcrumbs, Live.com, ebay/PayPal coupon codes, etc. I use a combination of all of these whenever it can benefit me because the more money I can save or get cashback is the more I can spend on cards.
I think maybe there was some confusion here the past 24 hours. When I posted Dave's recent bid history is because he essentially stated that sniping would save him more money than Bigcrumbs and my point was to show that there were cards being won using manual bids..Of which, money could have been saved on those items by clicking one additional button through Bigcrumbs. Now if someone doesn't care about saving money on ebay purchases, then I ask that they please disregard anything I post in reference to such. But I know based on PMs I have gotten the last few days that others ARE interested in saving some bucks on manual bids and BINs. And those are the guys my post was meant for.
Thanks again for your post, Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>I agree with what Paul stated. I only snipe auctions. Other than having to pay a fee that I consider reasonable, I see no drawbacks what so ever. >>
Hey, whatever works best for you is the way you should go and I'm not here to tell anyone otherwise.
For me personally, I can manually bid on an item with :15 seconds left, save the snipe fee, earn a cashback refund and still come out just as if I would have set a snipe. That is what works best for me. $646.08 cashback in 18 months, to me, is well worth the little extra work it takes to make sure I don't forget to manually bid on items at the last minute.
Just providing options to those who may not have been aware of Bigcrumbs or how it works, that is all. If you don't think it will work for you, then by all means don't waste the 5 minutes in takes to sign up for it (for free)...
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
boys. are we not just one big happy family. I use both methods. I snipe for the convenience of not having to be around the computer at auctions end. I can set several all at once. jason I use justsnipe. 5 free per week or just $5/month
I should look into the bigcrumbs and live stuff.
I agree many BIN is outrageously priced due to the cheap listing fees for 30 days. However I combine that with VCP to research what a typical card might cost and take into consideration quality of the card. When I sell..and its not often. I only use BIN based on being just under vcp avg. It's a great way to sell.
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>boys. are we not just one big happy family. I use both methods. I snipe for the convenience of not having to be around the computer at auctions end. I can set several all at once. jason I use justsnipe. 5 free per week or just $5/month
I should look into the bigcrumbs and live stuff.
I agree many BIN is outrageously priced due to the cheap listing fees for 30 days. However I combine that with VCP to research what a typical card might cost and take into consideration quality of the card. When I sell..and its not often. I only use BIN based on being just under vcp avg. It's a great way to sell. >>
Hey, we're football guys what can I say???lol
Justsnipe is also what I use..I never use more than 5 per month however as I'd rather spend that $5 fee on cards..But that's just me, I also don't typically have a ton of cards I actually need that I can't bid manually on ebay within any given month...
Great point about selling via BIN. I've been doing the same. Listing using VCP as well as the price I paid as a guide to what I list for. I've sold over 20K worth of cards via BIN in the last 9 months...Many times I will get an offer that is acceptable and will lower the BIN. For the BINs that have been re-listed multiple times, I have been dropping the price on many of them each time I re-list.
I am about to change that though with the new 5 free auction listings that ebay is going to give each seller starting next month. For the cards I am motivated/looking to sell right away, I am going to start using that avenue..Again, a way to save money on ebay fees is a way to save money. For guys like me on a budget, every dollar counts.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
The savings realized by sniping is of course impossible to quantify.
One major benefit is that it removes emotion from bidding. You input the price a card is worth to you and forget it. No last minute irrational splurges.
Also, you don't have your max bid run up by the nibblers who keep upping their bids in increments.
Big Crumbs? You got in 18 months ago, so you're way high up on the pyramid Jason. LOL.
As far as anyone getting in at this point, they might get some Little crumbs. Folks will just have to decide if they're willing to jump through the necessary hoops to save a small pittance every month just to enrich the people who are higher up on the pyramid.
<< <i>The savings realized by sniping is of course impossible to quantify.
One major benefit is that it removes emotion from bidding. You input the price a card is worth to you and forget it. No last minute irrational splurges.
Also, you don't have your max bid run up by the nibblers who keep upping their bids in increments.
Big Crumbs? You got in 18 months ago, so you're way high up on the pyramid Jason. LOL.
As far as anyone getting in at this point, they might get some Little crumbs. Folks will just have to decide if they're willing to jump through the necessary hoops to save a small pittance every month just to enrich the people who are higher up on the pyramid.
I know ... a penny saved is a penny earned ... >>
LOL...Actually, it depends on what type of account you sign up for. I have a "CrumbSaver" account which means I earn a maximum return on MY purchases and a smaller amount on anyone who I referred. They do have other options in which you get less back on your own purchases and more back for referral purchases.
Of the $646.08 I have gotten cash back on the last 18 months, $19.06 was from referrals. Anyone who signs up as the same type of account I have gets EXACTLY THE SAME amount cashback on their purchases. This isn't a pyramid scheme were the last man get jacked...Plus, it costs NOTHING..It takes NOTHING but one extra click before you bid on something...Seriously...Don't take my word for it though, go to the site and read the FAQ's. Or just blow it all off completely, it's really no skin off of my back...
<< <i> The savings realized by sniping is of course impossible to quantify. >>
I agree and this was my point all along. Savings through BigCrumbs or Live.com ARE quantifiable. And the difference in me bidding manually with 30 seconds left vs. sniping with 20 seconds left is zero. So for me personally, I go with the quantity over the guess work...
I already don't make irrational splurges, in fact I think I tend to bid higher when sniping because I want to outsnipe the other snipes that I assume will come in at the last minute like mine.
I also don't need to worry about being run up on an item when I bid manually within the last 30 seconds..It is the SNIPES that run the bids up!!lol
Its all good though. Like I said, I've been using it for awhile and thought it would be a good thing to let other know who might be interested. I surely didn't anticipate a battle of the bidders vs. the snipers breaking out.
If you think it's worthless garbage, by all means DO NOT use it...If you don't want me to be the guy who referred you, then just go to google and find the site that way and sign up without being referred by me. Too easy...
Best regards, Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
How about this...Subject change to something that actually matters???
The ballots for the 2010 Senior Committee selections go out to the Senior Committee next month...Anyone want to venture some guesses for this years selections?
I haven't heard a word, but typically won't until after the first round of ballots go out...
My guesses for this year:
A think it will be an LB and an OL....
LB will be between...Tommy Nobis, Dave Robinson, and Randy Gradishar
OL will be between...Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff and Bob Kuechenberg
My best guess right now is Jerry Kramer and Randy Gradishar...
If i were choosing it would be Tommy Nobis and Mick Tingelhoff.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>What are the odds of two Packers(Kramer & Robinson) getting in at the same time? Has that ever happened before with any other team?
Thanks, Doc >>
Not as a senior selection. They only went to 2 senior selections in 2004. Since then, it has worked out like this by position/team:
2004- OL-Eagles/Rams/Raiders and WR- Cowboys 2005- QB-Giants and RB/Coach-Teams from the 1920s that no longer exist 2006- Coach-Raiders and OL-Cowboys 2007- OL-Browns and TE-Lions 2008- CB-Chiefs and RB/DB-Cardinals 2009- DE-Falcons and WR-Cowboys
I think the odds are pretty slim...I think eventually both will garner enshrinement and both are well deserved...Of the combination's we could have this year, if either Kramer or Robinson is the choice, the other will not be selected. I think the odds are pretty good that one of them could be selected this year though..The last 3 years we have seen last minute pushes for specific players who were not particularly high on the radar the year before..With so many worthy candidates in the senior pool, it really could be just about anyone...But Kramer and Robinson have been close the last few years..
As always, once the ballots start getting sent out the chatter among the senior voters should start and I will post anything I hear to try and help our best guesses...I heard about the Bob Hayes push very early last year and posted it here...Have also heard about other pushes that ended up not materializing (Tommy Nobis a couple years ago)...The reality is, we won't know until the 5 senior voters pick their guys because its an elimination process much like the regular HOF vote..But we can get good hints..Last year, the day before the selections I heard who the HOF players the voters were flying into Canton to talk about the most likely candidates..Last year, it was Ken Houston and Art Shell giving their input. When they do this, they try to bring in players who PLAYED AGAINST the guys they are wanting to select...This confirmed Bob Hayes (Houston) and told me the other would likely be a DE..My guess was LC Greenwood, but they ended up going with Claude Humphrey..Turned out to be a weak choice as he didn't get in the HOF last year...
I will try and do the same this year...It's great fun making and getting those calls and e-mails from friends I have at the HOF itself as well as a couple of voters that I know pretty well...I hope we can have some lively debates here on the issue too...And if anyone else has or hears any good info, by all means post it here..The more information we have the better!
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Hey guys I have some cheap '80s stuff available that I'm not going to post on eBay b/c the fees are like 1/2 of what I'd get for the cards LOL:
1981 #194 Art Monk PSA 9 $20 1982 #51 Anthony Munoz PSA 9 $15 1983 #38 Mike Singletary PSA 9 $15
1984 Topps (all PSA 9): #111 Howie Long $15 #129 Dwight Stephenson $15 #143 Andre Tippett $15 #280 Eric Dickerson $15 #286 Jackie Slater $10 #380 Darrell Green $15
1985 #251 Warren Moon PSA 9 $20 1985 #253 Mike Munchak PSA 9 $15 1986 #389 Bruce Smith PSA 9 $20 1987 #207 Gary Zimmerman PSA 9 $10 1989 Pro Set #235 Randall McDaniel PSA 9 $10
PM or email to jasen_cassady@yahoo.com BTW, for those of you not following the thread I started on the May reviews, I am 3 for 18. I got bumps on Huff (7 to 7.5), Langer (9 to 10...thx Jay) and Winslow (9 to 10, paid like $6 shipped for the 9).
Comments
I just replied to Cosetta and from the sound of her email to me she is at least open to reviewing whatever you want to send her. I think we all trust your judgement and you certainly have a much better relationship with the staff than probably any of us do. I think from the number of emails that were sent to Joe, we have accomplished our goal to get their attention and they seem very willing to listen.
I support whatever weighting you compile and hopefully your logic will get them to make some obvious corrections. Are you game?
Thanks,
Doc
You were referring to JasOn, maybe? ;-)
JasEn
<< <i>Jasen,
I just replied to Cosetta and from the sound of her email to me she is at least open to reviewing whatever you want to send her. I think we all trust your judgement and you certainly have a much better relationship with the staff than probably any of us do. I think from the number of emails that were sent to Joe, we have accomplished our goal to get their attention and they seem very willing to listen.
I support whatever weighting you compile and hopefully your logic will get them to make some obvious corrections. Are you game?
Thanks,
Doc >>
Sure, funny thing is, I DID send them my updates for this year back in Jan as I always do. They updated all of the Key Card sets with no issues, but never updated the HOF RC weightings until this new system was put in.
I will e-mail Cosetta tomorrow morning and see what they want to do. The weighting breakdown chart has to be fixed before anything else will even make sense.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
It is extremely important that the person assigning the weights
to such an important set have a complete grasp of all the cards within it.
Jason is a priceless resource for PSA .
Joe, please take full advantage of his incredible passion and knowledge.
By doing so, you'll be keeping some of your best customers and good will ambassadors content ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Thanks DAN
Hello PSA,
Thank you for providing the Set Registry to us collectors. It's a most fun and rewarding way to collect.
Please consider my input to review the recent Grade Weight changes for the subject set. The changes show wide inconguencies, and significantly diminish the set's validity, hence collectibility. I, for one, have made significant financial outlay into the hobby only to be penalized by a system that is currently largely nonsensical.
PSA has been great to me so far. I have confidence that this can be straightened out soon. Without an imposition, may I suggest that longtime registrant, respected hobby expert, and frequent Set Registry Message Board adviser Mr. Jason Peeples aid in Grade Weight advice?
Thanks again for providing a fine product.
Sincerely,
Keith R. Weinhold, Anchorage, AKText
LOL..
Dave
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
I'm currently updating my VCP spreasheet with shows average prices for all HOF RC's in PSA 8 (a few are in PSA 7 since no PSA 8's have sold) and I am comparing it to SMR. For the cards with only PSA 7 prices, I am using a mathmatical equation based on PSA 7 sales of comparable (same set) cards that have had a PSA 8 sell to determine an estimated price.
Here is the overall snapshot of SMR accuracy in PSA 8 by decade (I've only completed 30s, 40s, and 50s so far)
1930s- SMR total value- $71,150- Actual VCP value- $93,120.58- SMR 81% accurate
1940s- SMR total value- $34,675- Actual VCP value- $125,974.09- SMR 28% accurate
1950s- SMR total value- $29,375- Actual VCP value- $43,997.36- SMR 67% accurate
No surprise, the 1948 Leaf are still SIGNIFICANTLY undervalued in the SMR. Particualrly in the higher grades which are extremely rare. Pretty descent on the 1930s and not terribly bad on the 50's.
I'm guessing the 60s, 70s and 80s will fare a bit better because there are fewer big dollar cards.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
1960s- SMR total value- $13,360- Actual VCP value- $19084.84- SMR 70% accurate
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Good news - it looks like we're getting through to PSA. Following the thread, it looks like J. Orlando forwarded my message to Cosetta. Cosetta's response to me appears below. If you have concerns similar to mine, voicing them yourself can only help:
Hi Keith,
We are glad you enjoy the registry and are glad to have you as a member. The registry is for the collecting community and therefore, we appreciate the input. Over the next week or so, we will be reviewing the recent updates along with Jason’s suggestions.
Thank you,
Cosetta Robbins
Assistant Set Registry Manager
1970s- SMR total value- $2,962.00- Actual VCP value- $2,707.19- SMR 91% accurate
1980s- SMR total value- $576.00- Actual VCP value- $451.14- SMR 78% accurate
So for the modern stuff, at least at the PSA 8 level, the SMR is higher than the realized. I think if you did this with PSA 9's, it would be the opposite. All in all not too off base here.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>1940s- SMR total value- $34,675- Actual VCP value- $125,974.09- SMR 28% accurate
No surprise, the 1948 Leaf are still SIGNIFICANTLY undervalued in the SMR. Particualrly in the higher grades which are extremely rare. >>
Hey... Hush!!! Don't be giving anyone any more ideas. It's tough enough out there already!!!
Mark
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NFL HOF RC SET
Doc
Here is what the updated grade weights look like using our old system and SMR prices. If anyone would like a copy of this, or a copy of my VCP priced weighting spreadsheet, shoot me an e-mail at jabeduco@yahoo.com and I will send you a copy.
1933 RED GRANGE 3500 8
1933 JIM THORPE 4000 8
1935 DUTCH CLARK 4000 8
1935 KEN STRONG 2300 7
1935 CLIFF BATTLES 2300 7
1935 TURK EDWARDS 2750 7.5
1935 CLARK HINKLE 2300 7
1935 BRONCO NAGURSKI 50000 10
1948 BULLDOG TURNER 900 6
1948 ALEX WOJCIEWISKOWSKI 400 4
1948 PETE PIHOS 700 5.5
1948 SID LUCKMAN 9500 9
1948 DOAK WALKER 1250 6.5
1948 BOBBY LAYNE 1800 7
1948 GEORGE MCAFEE 985 6
1948 STEVE VAN BUREN 1300 6.5
1948 BOB WATERFIELD 1400 6.5
1948 CHARLEY TRIPPI 975 6
1948 SAMMY BAUGH 3500 8
1948 BILL DUDLEY 1000 6
1948 GEORGE CONNOR 915 6
1948 LEO NOMELLINI 1950 7
1948 CHUCK BEDNARIK 9000 9
1950 YA TITTLE 950 6
1950 LOU GROZA 450 4
1950 TONY CANADEO 300 3.5
1950 JOE PERRY 450 4
1950 MARION MOTLEY 650 5
1950 OTTO GRAHAM 1150 6.5
1950 TOM FEARS 325 3.5
1950 ELROY HIRSCH 650 5
1950 DANTE LAVELLI 325 3.5
1951 NORM VAN BROCKLIN 1275 6.5
1951 ARNIE WEINMEISTER 350 3.5
1951 LOU CREEKMUR 275 3
1951 EMLEN TUNNELL 375 4
1951 ERNIE STAUTNER 450 4
1952 FRANK GIFFORD 925 6
1952 GINO MARCHETTI 650 5
1952 HUGH MCELHENNY 650 5
1952 ART DONOVAN 900 6
1952 WAYNE MILLNER 425 4
1952 ANDY ROBUSTELLLI 575 5
1952 JOE STYDAHAR 2000 7
1952 OLLIE MATSON 1750 7
1952 JACK CHRISTENSEN 715 5.5
1952 YALE LARY 615 5
1954 DOUG ATKINS 195 2.5
1954 GEORGE BLANDA 495 4.5
1955 MIKE MCCORMACK 150 2.5
1955 LEN FORD 125 2
1955 JOHN HENRY JOHNSON 160 2.5
1955 JIM RINGO 325 3.5
1955 BOB ST. CLAIR 325 3.5
1955 FRANK GATSKI 190 2.5
1955 MEL HEIN 185 2.5
1955 ERNIE NEVERS 225 3
1955 BENNY FRIEDMAN 90 1.5
1955 BRUISER KINARD 185 2.5
1955 ACE PARKER 185 2.5
1955 DON HUTSON 775 5.5
1955 FATS HENRY 550 4.5
1956 ROOSEVELT BROWN 125 2
1956 JOE SCHMIDT 125 2
1956 BILL GEORGE 125 2
1956 LENNY MOORE 350 3.5
1956 STAN JONES 125 2
1957 DICK LANE 375 4
1957 RAYMOND BERRY 500 4.5
1957 BART STARR 1750 7
1957 TOMMY MCDONALD 275 3
1957 JOHNNY UNITAS 1000 6
1957 PAUL HORNUNG 1250 6.5
1958 JIM BROWN 2350 7
1958 SONNY JURGENSEN 315 3.5
1959 SAM HUFF 125 2
1959 JIM PARKER 65 1.5
1959 BOBBY MITCHELL 65 1.5
1959 JIM TAYLOR 65 1.5
1960 RON MIX 125 2
1960 FORREST GREGG 90 1.5
1961 JIM OTTO 100 2
1961 DON MAYNARD 100 2
1961 HENRY JORDAN 110 2
1962 BILLY SHAW 120 2
1962 MIKE DITKA 750 5.5
1962 FRANK TARKENTON 750 5.5
1963 NICK BUONICONTI 250 3
1963 LEN DAWSON 375 4
1963 LANCE ALWORTH 500 4.5
1963 DEACON JONES 135 2
1963 BOB LILLY 375 4
1963 WILLIE WOOD 125 2
1963 RAY NITSCHKE 250 3
1963 LARRY WILSON 70 1.5
1964 JOHN MACKEY 85 1.5
1964 HERB ADDERLEY 75 1.5
1964 WILLIE DAVIS 75 1.5
1964 MERLIN OLSEN 95 1.5
1964 JIM JOHNSON 60 1.5
1964 BOBBY BELL 85 1.5
1964 BUCK BUCHANON 85 1.5
1965 PAUL WARFIELD 165 2.5
1965 MEL RENFRO 200 2.5
1965 CARL ELLER 80 1.5
1965 PAUL KRAUSE 75 1.5
1965 CHARLEY TAYLOR 175 2.5
1965 WILLIE BROWN 250 3
1965 JOE NAMATH 4500 8.5
1965 FRED BILETNIKOFF 600 5
1966 DICK BUTKUS 925 6
1966 GALE SAYERS 475 4.5
1966 GENE HICKERSON 30 1
1966 BOB HAYES 145 2
1966 BOB BROWN 40 1
1967 LEROY KELLY 675 5
1967 JACKIE SMITH 135 2
1967 DAVE WILCOX 135 2
1968 BOB GRIESE 250 3
1969 LARRY CSONKA 145 2
1970 JAN STENERUD 20 1
1970 ELVIN BETHEA 35 1
1970 ALAN PAGE 35 1
1970 LEM BARNEY 30 1
1970 OJ SIMPSON 115 2
1970 TOM MACK 20 1
1971 KEN HOUSTON 35 1
1971 WILLIE LANIER 50 1.5
1971 TERRY BRADSHAW 450 4
1971 ROGER WEHRLI 40 1
1971 CHARLIE SANDERS 40 1
1971 JOE GREENE 115 2
1972 JOHN RIGGINS 42 1
1972 TED HENDRICKS 55 1.5
1972 RON YARY 35 1
1972 EMMITT THOMAS 35 1
1972 GENE UPSHAW 35 1
1972 ROGER STAUBACH 650 5
1972 LARRY LITTLE 40 1
1972 CHARLIE JOINER 40 1
1972 RAYFIELD WRIGHT 45 1
1973 ART SHELL 32 1
1973 FRANCO HARRIS 85 1.5
1973 JACK HAM 50 1.5
1973 DAN DIERDORF 32 1
1973 JIM LANGER 20 1
1973 JACK YOUNGBLOOD 32 1
1974 JOE DELAMIELLEURE 27 1
1974 JOHN HANNAH 25 1
1975 MEL BLOUNT 20 1
1975 LYNN SWANN 65 1.5
1975 DAN FOUTS 45 1
1976 WALTER PAYTON 235 3
1976 RANDY WHITE 22 1
1976 JACK LAMBERT 36 1
1977 LEE ROY SELMON 22 1
1977 MIKE HAYNES 22 1
1977 MIKE WEBSTER 22 1
1977 HARRY CARSON 22 1
1977 STEVE LARGENT 50 1.5
1977 DAVE CASPER 22 1
1978 FRED DEAN 10 1
1978 TONY DORSETT 35 1
1978 JOHN STALLWORTH 14 1
1979 OZZIE NEWSOME 20 1
1979 JAMES LOFTON 20 1
1979 EARL CAMPBELL 35 1
1981 KELLEN WINSLOW 9 1
1981 ART MONK 10 1
1981 JOE MONTANA 110 2
1981 DAN HAMPTON 10 1
1982 ANTHONY MUNOZ 9 1
1982 LAWRENCE TAYLOR 16 1
1982 RONNIE LOTT 15 1
1983 MIKE SINGLETARY 8 1
1983 MARCUS ALLEN 10 1
1984 JOHN ELWAY 50 1.5
1984 HOWIE LONG 10 1
1984 DAN MARINO 45 1
1984 DWIGHT STEPHENSON 5 1
1984 ANDRE TIPPETT 3 1
1984 ERIC DICKERSON 6 1
1984 JACKIE SLATER 4 1
1984 DARRELL GREEN 7 1
1984 JIM KELLY 45 1
1984 STEVE YOUNG 90 1.5
1984 REGGIE WHITE 40 1
1985 WARREN MOON 15 1
1985 MIKE MUNCHAK 4 1
1986 BRUCE SMITH 10 1
1987 GARY ZIMMERMAN 4 1
1989 RANDALL MCDANIEL 5 1
1989 MICHAEL IRVIN 5 1
1989 ROD WOODSON 3 1
1989 BRUCE MATTHEWS 3 1
1989 THURMAN THOMAS 3 1
1989 BARRY SANDERS 15 1
1989 DERRICK THOMAS 3 1
1989 TROY AIKMAN 13 1
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
'33 Grange 5 $650
'33 Thorpe 5 $1,100
'35 Clark 5 $500
'35 Battles 5 $325
'35 Edwards 5 $350
'35 Hinkle 5 $500
'48 Wojciechowicz 6 $75
'48 Van Buren 6 $255
'50 Canadeo 7 $300
'50 Fears 7 $140
'50 Hirsch 7 $190 PENDING
'51 Van Brocklin 7 $350
'51 Weinmeister 7 $160
'51 Creekmur 7 $100
'51 Tunnell 7 $145
'52 Gifford (large) 7 $450
'52 Millner (large) 7 $340
'52 Robustelli (large) 7 $280
'54 Blanda 7 $145
'55 McCormack 7 $40
'55 Ringo 7 $100
'55 Gatski 7 $50
'55 Nevers 7 $85
'55 Friedman 7 $40
'56 Brown 7 $35
'56 Schmidt 7 $55
'56 Jones 7 $45
'57 Berry 7 $170
'58 Jergensen 7 $100
'60 Gregg 8 $75
'61 Jordan 8 $210
'63 Buoniconti 8 $560
'63 Jones 8 $120
'63 Lilly 8 $365
'63 Wilson 8 $40
Fed Ex shipping included. PM or email to jasen_cassady@yahoo.com if interested. BTW, anyone know who outbid me on the Nomellini 7?
Jasen
Bigcrumbs.com
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I signed up like 18 months ago, and this is how much cash back I've gotten back since then: Total Earned: $646.08
You get the rebate to your PayPal account every month for all your purchases. All you have to do is click through a bigcrumbs link into ebay before you bid or hit a BIN.
Anyway, it's free to use, give it a try. Not sure why anyone who buys on ebay would NOT use this...lol
Prime example...I purchased a PSA 8 1952 Bowman Large Wayne Millner on ebay last month.
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So I saved almost $12 on the purchase. Might not sound like much, but it definitely adds up and most certainly better than nothing!
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
<< <i>How does this company make money from it? Advertising? Also, Since you have to go through their site, are you able to use a snipe service or do you just have to bid? >>
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No, snipe services don't work with it. You have to bid or BIN or Best offer manually. The way I do it...They provide an ebay link that I have saved to my favorites...When I click on a card on ebay that I want to bid on or hit a BIN, I then go directly to the saved bigcrumbs link. It takes me to the main ebay page which shows the most recently visited auctions to include the card I had just clicked on and want to bid and/or buy. I go to the item again and place the bid or BIN.
I still use snipes occasionally, but 95% of the time, the stuff I buy is either BIN or I will bid my high early and let it ride or within the final hour or so using my iphone. I don't think I've won many (if any) cards via snipe service in the past 6+ months...Usually the cards I feel the need to use it on end up going for way more than I will pay anyway...lol
Even if you use it once a month on a BIN, you're getting cashback for it for nothing other than a click through.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Dave
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
<< <i>That's interesting. I'm just the opposite. I bet I use ebay 95% snipe and 5% BIN (if that). I cant remember the last time I used BIN. It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site.
Dave >>
For me, sniping was more useful when not many ebayers were using it. Now, with so many (seemingly) using it, it has become much less useful for me. When I am bidding on auctions (not BIN's) but bidding..I either bid my high early on and let it ride, or I manually bid near the end of the auction.
The Millner Bowman Large 8 I mentioned above is a perfect example...I bid my high with 2 hours left in the auction. If anyone had a snipe set, it was lower than where my bid was because there were no snipes at the end. I got the card for $425 cheaper than the last Millner Large 8 to sell on ebay a few years ago.
My high price is my high price on a card...My "snipe" price is always the same as my highest manual bid...I don't "fight" over any auctions by bidding over and over...Based on some of the deals I've gotten not using snipe combined with some of the cards I loose using snipe it has become a much less useful service for me. But hey, to each his own. If sniping works for you and you think it is saving you money, then certainly that is the way you should go. For anyone else who uses BIN's or bids on cards manually as I do most of the time, then using Bigcrumbs is a great option to get cashback on your ebay purchases.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>That's interesting. I'm just the opposite. I bet I use ebay 95% snipe and 5% BIN (if that). I cant remember the last time I used BIN. It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site.
Dave >>
Dave, out of curiosity I went to see how your auction outcomes have been lately...
You won a 1938 Dixie Lids Nagurski in which you bid 10 minutes prior to auction end..Was that a snipe? There were 2 snipes that came in from other bidders in the final 2 seconds however.
You won a 1972 Riggins 8 with a last minute snipe, but there were no others bidders within the final 2 hours, so didn't really help you there.
Same with a 1984 Marino 9 you won. You won with a bid in the last :18 seconds, but there were no other bidders in the final 12 hours of the auction.
You won an 1988 Doleman in which you placed your winning bid the day prior to auction end..
You won a 1984 Reggie White 9 with a bid placed 2 hours before end of auction...
You won a 1978 Fred Dean 9 that you placed your bid 2+ hours before auction end...
I guess arguably the one a snipe helped you win was a 1984 Elway 9 where you outsniped one other guy...But Elway PSA 9's are a dime a dozen and you didn;t get a particularly "cheap" price on it. A better centered one sold a week later for $12 cheaper...
To me, I'm not sure how much you really saved on all these winnings by using snipe vs. how much cash back you could have gotten using bigcrumbs. It typically comes out to about $2.00 per every $100 spent on auction winnings, and based on the above I think it would be tough to say that sniping saved you anything.
Not trying to dog you here, but just trying to understand why anyone still thinks sniping saves them money. It is GREAT help when there is an item ending that you won't be available to bid on it manually within the last few hours...But saving you money? I just don't see it..Not with so many other bidders using snipe services. You just outsnipe each other raher than outbid each other...lol..The prices are no different that I have seen lately. Am I missing something?
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
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title.
I know we have butted heads in the past but, come on ..Is this really a topic to discuss? I bid on what I bid but have no reason to keep the fued going.......
I realize that if I sign up under you name that you would get more $ Is that really what you want?? I get sick and tired of you saying that if the set gets changed, that you will sell, or change what you your collecting goals are. It gets really old.
I collect this set because I love the Football HOF and the players. I'm not in this to make you happy.
That being said, I respect your opinion on this set and know that you are as passionate about is as I am. Sometimes you come off as the "Football HOF guru".............Thats fine but I don't like being "put down", like I am ingorant..." Every thing that you say is right and anything anyone else says is wrong.....WTF???
Respectfully..Yours.
Dave
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
You made a statement "It sounds like I would save more $ by sniping than the $ earned back through that site." I wanted to see if that was the case, and if it were maybe I would need to re-evaluate my own decision to rarely use snipes anymore. But after further review, I only saw one item that you actually used a snipe to your advantage. Which really kind of flies in the face your statement...Which made me wonder why you made it???
Not sure where you think I put you down...I posted some info for anyone interested in saving some money on ebay purchases..You posted a question about it, which I answered..Then you made a statement that did not match the reality of your recent ebay wins. Pretty simple...I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings, I just wanted clarification since you went out on the limb to make that statement.
Not sure where you are coming from with this: "I get sick and tired of you saying that if the set gets changed, that you will sell, or change what you your collecting goals are. It gets really old.
I collect this set because I love the Football HOF and the players."
I'm no different than anyone else who collects this set. I've been bothered by some of the changes PSA has made over the years..I've also changed my collecting goals many times along the way...But I certainly don't feel like that is something I do often AT ALL...And honestly don't remember the last time I said it or felt that way...Its been awhile so again, not sure what your point is here...
Anyway, I guess the moral of this story is, if you are going to make it a point to make a statement about something, you probably want to have the stats to back it up. That way no one will need to question your motives or reasoning..But based on your recent ebay history, I really have to wonder why you said what you said there...Only reason I can think is that you felt like taking another little dig at me, of which I rarely respond to...And me needing to type this post is the exact reason I don't...
Let's just move on shall we..If you have anything further, PM or e-mail me privately rather than turning this great thread into a flame war...
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Not sure where you are coming from with this: "I get sick and tired of you saying that if the set gets changed, that you will sell, or change what you your collecting goals are. It gets really old.
I collect this set because I love the Football HOF and the players."
I'm no different than anyone else who collects this set. I've been bothered by some of the changes PSA has made over the years..I've also changed my collecting goals many times along the way...But I certainly don't feel like that is something I do often AT ALL...And honestly don't remember the last time I said it or felt that way...Its been awhile so again, not sure what your point is here...
>>
It seems like everytime this issue comes (about changing the set) up that you say something about. ....If that's the case, I'll just look to change the way I collect........It's come up several times...But I don't feel I need to search back in this thread to find it....I've got better things to do......I just hate the "holier than thou" attitude. I'm sure others feel the same way but I'm the only one with the balls to say that....Again,............I highly respect your opinion, but sometimes your attitude gets in the way........
I have had several people tell me that they would love to get more involved in this thread, but are afraid they would offend you in some way..........and that you would "go off" on them........
DB
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
You still never clarified really the only thing I was asking..How are you saving money with snipe services? If you are as you say, then please clue the rest of us in on the secret...
You know its funny, I've thought the same after reading many of your posts here on the boards..Sometimes your attitude also gets in the way...You've said yourself many times in this very thread that you are clueless on many of the old-time players and on various card issues...Then you come here and ask a question then get pissy when you don't get the answer you wanted to hear. Sounds like something we both need to work on I guess...
Best of luck with your "snipes". Which snipe service do you use by the way?
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Well, let me say for you and for anyone else who wants to post here...Just because I disagree with something you say or simply want clarification of a statement doesn't mean I right or perfect. I've never said or implied it. But yes I will stand behind any statements I make and will debate my points if I have them. Nothing wrong with that for any of us...
You still never clarified really the only thing I was asking..How are you saving money with snipe services? If you are as you say, then please clue the rest of us in on the secret...
You know its funny, I've thought the same after reading many of your posts here on the boards..Sometimes your attitude also gets in the way...You've said yourself many times in this very thread that you are clueless on many of the old-time players and on various card issues...Then you come here and ask a question then get pissy when you don't get the answer you wanted to hear. Sounds like something we both need to work on I guess...
Best of luck with your "snipes". Which snipe service do you use by the way?
Jason >>
Well Jason..Where do I start....Am I saving money using snipeing servises?....Well, I don't know of any "professional sniping" services, but I believe ( without proof) that I am saving $. Otherwise, why would sniping services exist??? Maybe I'm clueless.... (BTW..I use auctionstealer.com. It has never failed me in the 5+ years I have used it..........)
Also....
<< <i>Sometimes your attitude also gets in the way...You've said yourself many times in this very thread that you are clueless on many of the old-time players and on various card issues.. >>
I AM clueless about the older players but have learned alot about them in the last few years. I don't believe that I have an "attitude" about them but I have really wanted to learn about them more "in depth". I have visited the HOF, and have even read books about the 30's and 40's., If anyone else thinks I have an attitude about this, I would love to hear about it. ( Please PM me if there are issues). When are you talking about me getting "pissy" about an issue? I assume it is when I was asking about George Halas and George Owen not being in the HOF RC set even though they are listed on the HOF website as being inducted as players?/ Seemed like a good question to me> (in which i still have'nt gotten a good answer to.??)...............I still don't know why the HOF lists' them as players but that's not good enough to include them in the set?))
Dave
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
You've done great things for the hobby Jason, but I have to agree with Dave on this one.
Sniping saves me thousands every year.
BINs are generally only hit by suckers. Any experienced seller will tell you that.
Why else would they run the same stale overpriced BINs over and over again month after month?
They're hoping to get lucky and hook a naive buyer. To pretend otherwise is just plain silly ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>You've done great things for the hobby Jason, but I have to agree with Dave on this one.
Sniping saves me thousands every year.
BINs are generally only hit by suckers. Any experienced seller will tell you that.
Why else would they run the same stale overpriced BINs over and over again month after month?
They're hoping to get lucky and hook a naive buyer. To pretend otherwise is just plain silly ... >>
Paul, my defense here is not of BINs. The issue is/was would I save more using snipe vs. bidding manually through bigcrumbs. I used to use snipes religiously myself. But it got to the point where I didn't feel as though it was helping me any more than manually bidding in the final couple of hours or minutes. Except when it was an item that was ending at a time where I wouldn't be able to bid in the final stanza.
I'd love to hear/see your numbers on this if you have them. As with Dave, I'm not trying to dog anyone. I'm not the all knowing power of the HOF RC universe. If there is some better way of using sniping services that can truly show that I can/will have saved more than $600 over the last 18 months as bigcrumbs has, I would be a fool not to listen and learn about it.
As far as BINs go, one thing I will disagree on is that all BINs are for suckers. I can assure you, when I hit a BIN it is NOT on an overpriced item. On the contrary, I find quite a few nice deals on BINs when I catch the listing early. Not to mention e-mailing the seller an offer price only to have them lower the BIN within my price range. The ones that are overpriced will sit there forever, but with ebay offering $.35 BIN listings for 30 days, ALOT of sellers have moved that direction. At least with the cards I am looking to buy I RARELY even have anything to bid on via auction that I actually need.
Anyway, thanks for the input. If you have some actual stats on snipes and where they saved you tons of money in the past year (I agree, they used to be very useful prior to the ebay changes of 2008) please share that with us.
Dave, as far as the Halas/Owen situation, we disagreed on the issue, pretty simple. The absolute best way to solve a disagreement here is by voting and going with popular opinion. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't we have a vote on adding Halas and/or Owen? And overwhelmingly the vote was to keep them off the set? Instead of trying to strong arm everyone who collects this set into collecting 2 guys who were elected to the HOF PRIMARILY as coaches, send your request to PSA and let the collectors decide. IMO, 9 out of 10 (if not higher) football fans would hear the names George Halas and/or Steve Owen and think HOF COACH not HOF PLAYER. I can't make you grasp that if you haven't already.
I'm sorry you are still belly aching over that issue, and it seems that is probably your reasoning for making contrary statements to me for no reason over the past few months. I thought popular vote would be the fair way but obviously that wasn't good enough. As you say, I don't collect this set to make you happy. I want what is best for the set and not just for myself or because I have a new bright idea to re-invent the wheel. So by all means, send your request to PSA so we don't have to waste anymore keystrokes debating an issue that in my mind is not even debatable.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>
<< <i>Sniping saves me thousands every year.
BINs are generally only hit by suckers. Any experienced seller will tell you that.
Why else would they run the same stale overpriced BINs over and over again month after month?
They're hoping to get lucky and hook a naive buyer. To pretend otherwise is just plain silly ... >>
Paul, my defense here is not of BINs. The issue is/was would I save more using snipe vs. bidding manually through bigcrumbs. I used to use snipes religiously myself. But it got to the point where I didn't feel as though it was helping me any more than manually bidding in the final couple of hours or minutes. Except when it was an item that was ending at a time where I wouldn't be able to bid in the final stanza.
I'd love to hear/see your numbers on this if you have them. As with Dave, I'm not trying to dog anyone. I'm not the all knowing power of the HOF RC universe. If there is some better way of using sniping services that can truly show that I can/will have saved more than $600 over the last 18 months as bigcrumbs has, I would be a fool not to listen and learn about it.
As far as BINs go, one thing I will disagree on is that all BINs are for suckers. I can assure you, when I hit a BIN it is NOT on an overpriced item. On the contrary, I find quite a few nice deals on BINs when I catch the listing early. Not to mention e-mailing the seller an offer price only to have them lower the BIN within my price range. The ones that are overpriced will sit there forever, but with ebay offering $.35 BIN listings for 30 days, ALOT of sellers have moved that direction. At least with the cards I am looking to buy I RARELY even have anything to bid on via auction that I actually need. >>
Might as well step between the feuding factions and suggest that both have valid points. While most BIN prices are excessive, those that a savvy buyer executes are typically items that are listed far below market or items that are posted with a prearranged BIN price.
With the increased usage of sniping software, it has almost become obsolete to see a bidding war on an eBay item other than the final two bids in the last seconds of the auction. While the premise of sniping is to eliminate a layer or two of overbids, I seriously doubt that the success rate of sniping is as drastic an advantage over manually placing as bid as it was one year ago.
Typically, I will place my snipe when I see the item an be done with it. However, I'm becoming more and more likely to either place a manual bid or if the item has not received a bid, make an offer to the seller to buy the item outright.
In the event that I place a manual bid or contact the seller and agree on a BIN, I would be a fool not to use such a service as BigCrumbs.com. I use the Live.com discount on BIN items. Now, while the Live.com discount (when at 15%) encouraged purchases of BIN items that may have been slightly overpriced, I don't think the BigCrumbs.com will have the same effect. It appears to be an accumlative process.
Anyway, perhaps J and D can get over the personal differences. There's plenty of room in the sandbox, but we don't need anyone pissing in the middle of it. It really messes up the rest of the sand...
I absolutely agree with 10000% of everything you just said, you stated the situation perfectly and completely. Thanks for that!
BTW, you can get both the Bigcrumbs discount AND the Live.com discount on any single item purchase. I used both on a $1,000 (negotiated) BIN and saved $200 via Live.com and another $22.82 via Bigcrumbs. Bigcrumbs can also be used on manual auction bids, not just BIN's.
I'm not sure why anyone would not use ALL of these available options to best save themselves money. Sniping, manual bids, BINs, Bigcrumbs, Live.com, ebay/PayPal coupon codes, etc. I use a combination of all of these whenever it can benefit me because the more money I can save or get cashback is the more I can spend on cards.
I think maybe there was some confusion here the past 24 hours. When I posted Dave's recent bid history is because he essentially stated that sniping would save him more money than Bigcrumbs and my point was to show that there were cards being won using manual bids..Of which, money could have been saved on those items by clicking one additional button through Bigcrumbs. Now if someone doesn't care about saving money on ebay purchases, then I ask that they please disregard anything I post in reference to such. But I know based on PMs I have gotten the last few days that others ARE interested in saving some bucks on manual bids and BINs. And those are the guys my post was meant for.
Thanks again for your post,
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>I agree with what Paul stated. I only snipe auctions. Other than having to pay a fee that I consider reasonable, I see no drawbacks what so ever. >>
Hey, whatever works best for you is the way you should go and I'm not here to tell anyone otherwise.
For me personally, I can manually bid on an item with :15 seconds left, save the snipe fee, earn a cashback refund and still come out just as if I would have set a snipe. That is what works best for me. $646.08 cashback in 18 months, to me, is well worth the little extra work it takes to make sure I don't forget to manually bid on items at the last minute.
Just providing options to those who may not have been aware of Bigcrumbs or how it works, that is all. If you don't think it will work for you, then by all means don't waste the 5 minutes in takes to sign up for it (for free)...
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I should look into the bigcrumbs and live stuff.
I agree many BIN is outrageously priced due to the cheap listing fees for 30 days. However I combine that with VCP to research what a typical card might cost and take into consideration quality of the card. When I sell..and its not often. I only use BIN based on being just under vcp avg. It's a great way to sell.
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<< <i>boys. are we not just one big happy family. I use both methods. I snipe for the convenience of not having to be around the computer at auctions end. I can set several all at once. jason I use justsnipe. 5 free per week or just $5/month
I should look into the bigcrumbs and live stuff.
I agree many BIN is outrageously priced due to the cheap listing fees for 30 days. However I combine that with VCP to research what a typical card might cost and take into consideration quality of the card. When I sell..and its not often. I only use BIN based on being just under vcp avg. It's a great way to sell. >>
Hey, we're football guys what can I say???lol
Justsnipe is also what I use..I never use more than 5 per month however as I'd rather spend that $5 fee on cards..But that's just me, I also don't typically have a ton of cards I actually need that I can't bid manually on ebay within any given month...
Great point about selling via BIN. I've been doing the same. Listing using VCP as well as the price I paid as a guide to what I list for. I've sold over 20K worth of cards via BIN in the last 9 months...Many times I will get an offer that is acceptable and will lower the BIN. For the BINs that have been re-listed multiple times, I have been dropping the price on many of them each time I re-list.
I am about to change that though with the new 5 free auction listings that ebay is going to give each seller starting next month. For the cards I am motivated/looking to sell right away, I am going to start using that avenue..Again, a way to save money on ebay fees is a way to save money. For guys like me on a budget, every dollar counts.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
The savings realized by sniping is of course impossible to quantify.
One major benefit is that it removes emotion from bidding.
You input the price a card is worth to you and forget it. No last minute irrational splurges.
Also, you don't have your max bid run up by the nibblers who keep upping their bids in increments.
Big Crumbs? You got in 18 months ago, so you're way high up on the pyramid Jason. LOL.
As far as anyone getting in at this point, they might get some Little crumbs.
Folks will just have to decide if they're willing to jump through the necessary hoops
to save a small pittance every month just to enrich the people who are higher up on the pyramid.
I know ... a penny saved is a penny earned ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>The savings realized by sniping is of course impossible to quantify.
One major benefit is that it removes emotion from bidding.
You input the price a card is worth to you and forget it. No last minute irrational splurges.
Also, you don't have your max bid run up by the nibblers who keep upping their bids in increments.
Big Crumbs? You got in 18 months ago, so you're way high up on the pyramid Jason. LOL.
As far as anyone getting in at this point, they might get some Little crumbs.
Folks will just have to decide if they're willing to jump through the necessary hoops
to save a small pittance every month just to enrich the people who are higher up on the pyramid.
I know ... a penny saved is a penny earned ...
LOL...Actually, it depends on what type of account you sign up for. I have a "CrumbSaver" account which means I earn a maximum return on MY purchases and a smaller amount on anyone who I referred. They do have other options in which you get less back on your own purchases and more back for referral purchases.
Of the $646.08 I have gotten cash back on the last 18 months, $19.06 was from referrals. Anyone who signs up as the same type of account I have gets EXACTLY THE SAME amount cashback on their purchases. This isn't a pyramid scheme were the last man get jacked...Plus, it costs NOTHING..It takes NOTHING but one extra click before you bid on something...Seriously...Don't take my word for it though, go to the site and read the FAQ's. Or just blow it all off completely, it's really no skin off of my back...
<< <i> The savings realized by sniping is of course impossible to quantify. >>
I agree and this was my point all along. Savings through BigCrumbs or Live.com ARE quantifiable. And the difference in me bidding manually with 30 seconds left vs. sniping with 20 seconds left is zero. So for me personally, I go with the quantity over the guess work...
I already don't make irrational splurges, in fact I think I tend to bid higher when sniping because I want to outsnipe the other snipes that I assume will come in at the last minute like mine.
I also don't need to worry about being run up on an item when I bid manually within the last 30 seconds..It is the SNIPES that run the bids up!!lol
Its all good though. Like I said, I've been using it for awhile and thought it would be a good thing to let other know who might be interested. I surely didn't anticipate a battle of the bidders vs. the snipers breaking out.
If you think it's worthless garbage, by all means DO NOT use it...If you don't want me to be the guy who referred you, then just go to google and find the site that way and sign up without being referred by me. Too easy...
Best regards,
Jason
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The ballots for the 2010 Senior Committee selections go out to the Senior Committee next month...Anyone want to venture some guesses for this years selections?
I haven't heard a word, but typically won't until after the first round of ballots go out...
My guesses for this year:
A think it will be an LB and an OL....
LB will be between...Tommy Nobis, Dave Robinson, and Randy Gradishar
OL will be between...Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff and Bob Kuechenberg
My best guess right now is Jerry Kramer and Randy Gradishar...
If i were choosing it would be Tommy Nobis and Mick Tingelhoff.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Thanks,
Doc
<< <i>What are the odds of two Packers(Kramer & Robinson) getting in at the same time? Has that ever happened before with any other team?
Thanks,
Doc >>
Not as a senior selection. They only went to 2 senior selections in 2004. Since then, it has worked out like this by position/team:
2004- OL-Eagles/Rams/Raiders and WR- Cowboys
2005- QB-Giants and RB/Coach-Teams from the 1920s that no longer exist
2006- Coach-Raiders and OL-Cowboys
2007- OL-Browns and TE-Lions
2008- CB-Chiefs and RB/DB-Cardinals
2009- DE-Falcons and WR-Cowboys
I think the odds are pretty slim...I think eventually both will garner enshrinement and both are well deserved...Of the combination's we could have this year, if either Kramer or Robinson is the choice, the other will not be selected. I think the odds are pretty good that one of them could be selected this year though..The last 3 years we have seen last minute pushes for specific players who were not particularly high on the radar the year before..With so many worthy candidates in the senior pool, it really could be just about anyone...But Kramer and Robinson have been close the last few years..
As always, once the ballots start getting sent out the chatter among the senior voters should start and I will post anything I hear to try and help our best guesses...I heard about the Bob Hayes push very early last year and posted it here...Have also heard about other pushes that ended up not materializing (Tommy Nobis a couple years ago)...The reality is, we won't know until the 5 senior voters pick their guys because its an elimination process much like the regular HOF vote..But we can get good hints..Last year, the day before the selections I heard who the HOF players the voters were flying into Canton to talk about the most likely candidates..Last year, it was Ken Houston and Art Shell giving their input. When they do this, they try to bring in players who PLAYED AGAINST the guys they are wanting to select...This confirmed Bob Hayes (Houston) and told me the other would likely be a DE..My guess was LC Greenwood, but they ended up going with Claude Humphrey..Turned out to be a weak choice as he didn't get in the HOF last year...
I will try and do the same this year...It's great fun making and getting those calls and e-mails from friends I have at the HOF itself as well as a couple of voters that I know pretty well...I hope we can have some lively debates here on the issue too...And if anyone else has or hears any good info, by all means post it here..The more information we have the better!
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
1981 #194 Art Monk PSA 9 $20
1982 #51 Anthony Munoz PSA 9 $15
1983 #38 Mike Singletary PSA 9 $15
1984 Topps (all PSA 9):
#111 Howie Long $15
#129 Dwight Stephenson $15
#143 Andre Tippett $15
#280 Eric Dickerson $15
#286 Jackie Slater $10
#380 Darrell Green $15
1985 #251 Warren Moon PSA 9 $20
1985 #253 Mike Munchak PSA 9 $15
1986 #389 Bruce Smith PSA 9 $20
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PM or email to jasen_cassady@yahoo.com BTW, for those of you not following the thread I started on the May reviews, I am 3 for 18. I got bumps on Huff (7 to 7.5), Langer (9 to 10...thx Jay) and Winslow (9 to 10, paid like $6 shipped for the 9).
Thanks,
Doc