Well I finally got around to updating my set with scans of everything. I added about 20 or so scans tonight, so it is all updated for those of you who like to check out that stuff. Also, haven't posted a wantlist in quite awhile, so here it is:
Dave MRI - I sent you a scan of the FATS 7. Did you see it? If you are interested let me know soon please.
Just got back another AA sub. Four more 10's! Including Edwards, Rockne, Feathers and Kinnard. I told Isaacson I would trade him all four for his Bronko 9 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO
Additionally, the following point deductions are taken for Qualifiers. For example, if your card or ticket is graded PSA 9Q, the grade calculation in the Registry will be 7.
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Thanks guys, does the -2 deduction apply to ALL qualifiers?
Doc >>
Yes, all Q's are created equal..
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I'm new to the Message Board, and I hope this link to one of my newer additions to this Set Registry works. This is a card of a rather unsung HOFer, but I really like the looks of the 1951 Bowman Football. I obtained this card from Mint State, Inc. last month. I'm new to collecting, never having seen a graded sports card until last year. I hope to check this Registry Message Board to learn more about collecting & investing in the PSA Football HOF Rookies Set. -Keith
BTW, that's one of my old cards!! One of my first set of .5 bumps.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
MRI Dave - A week or so ago I sent you the '55 AA FATS scan re. the 7 you were interested in and never got a reponse?
fyi - guess what numero uno H o F set got passed yesterday? See below - it's the one that PSA could safely say would not be passed anytime soon or maybe, ever !!!!!!!!!!
Wes Verno (2003) - 1955 Topps All-American Basic Set Football Last year, this tremendous set won for Best Rookie Set of the Year with a GPA of 8.85. This year, it went up to 8.95! That's right, a set that is almost uniformly PSA Mint 9s across the board. When you consider how hot these cards have been for about two years now and how old the set is, the accomplishment is tremendous. This is a set that we think we can safely say will not be surpassed anytime soon and, maybe, ever
I got the Andy Madec aution catalog today in the mail with my SMR. Couple of lots I am interested in...what are your experiences with this auction house? Can post here or PM replies, thanks in advance guys.
BTW, that's one of my old cards!! One of my first set of .5 bumps.
Jason >>
Jason, thank you for posting the 1951 Bowman 8.5 Weinmeister for me. It must be funny to see one of your former cards posted. A long-deferred congratulations to you on your eye to be rewarded with the 0.5 point bump.
It's remarkable to me that in the early 1950s, Bowman took time and resources to design, color, and choose significant card stock for printing "bubble gum cards" depicting a sport that was not nearly America's most popular in that era. Countless well-preserved 1950, 1951, and 1952 Bowman vintage cards are now almost visual jaw-droppers to me.
Not sure when it offically comes out but here are my guesses
Offense First Team ...................................Second Team QB Peyton Manning........................... Tom Brady WR Randy Moss........................... Torry Holt WR Marvin Harrison........................ Terrell Ownes TE Tony Gonzales............................ Antonio Gates T Jonathan Ogden...................... Orlando Pace T Walter Jones......................... Jon Runyan G Larry Allen ......................... Steve Hutchinson G Alan Faneca............................. Will Shields /Brian Watters C Kevin Mawae............................. Olin Kreutz/Jeff Satruday FB Lorenzo Neal............................ Tony Richardson RB LaDanian Tomlinson ...................... Clinton Portis RB Edgerrin James..................................... Shaun Alexander
Defense First Team ................................ Second Team DE Michael Strahan .................... Dwight Freeney DE Jason Taylor ....................... Julius Peppers DT Kevin Williams .......................... Warren Sapp DT Richard Seymour ................................. Bryant Young/Kris Jenkins MLB Ray Lewis ..................................... Brian Urlacher OLB Derrick Brooks .................................... Joey Porter OLB Terrell Suggs .................................... Shawne Merriman Keith Bullock, Vrabel CB Champ Bailey ......................................... Ty Law CB Ronde Barber ................................. Chris McAlister/Charles Woodson SS Troy Polamalu ......................................... Darren Sharper Rodney Harrison FS` Ed Reed ....................................... Brian Dawkins
K Adam Vinatieri ..................................... David Akers P Shane Lechler ......................................... Jeff Feagles KR Dante Hall PR Devin Hester
So my wife and I have tomorrow and friday off for spring break. We had no plans until tonight when my wife suggested that we go to the Football HOF. Well, the room is booked and we will be heading to Canton tomorrow night, spending all day friday at the Hall.......heading back saturday morning.
We will be taking our 10 year old son (Austin), who is as big a football fanatic as me. I don't know who's more excited....me or him... Canton is about a 4 1/2 hour drive from our home in Indiana... I reached 100% on my football hall of fame set a few months ago, and this will be like the icing on the cake!!
I'll make sure to take plenty of pics to post. I'm going to need some ambien to get to sleep tonight........
Have fun Dave, I took my family last summer and they had a blast. The interactive video monitors they have in the room with all the HOF busts is really cool.
OK guys, I made a little tour of the HOF for you all to enjoy. We had a blast and I cant wait to go back. If you click on the first picture, I have added comments at the bottom of most pictures to describe what the picture is. Just click on the first picture and then hit the next button on the top left.
Great pics Dave, I cant believe that's your first time!!!
If I lived less then 5 hours away I'd be there once a month...lol...
My next HOF trip is planned for early June to take advantage of the free admission for active duty military...Going with an Army buddy who's never been and plan on catching an Indians game as well.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Yes, It was my first time, but promise it wont be my last.
It really was an awesome time and it felt like it brought my collection full circle. I just kept thinking to myself the whole time.....I should have came here a long time ago.....LOL...
There were only a couple things I would like to do different next time. It was raining the whole day so I didn't get any pictures of the outside. There is an outdoor field right by the HOF that you can run around on. If the weather was nicer, my son and I could have stood out there and threw a football for a while. Also, I noticed the HOF archives section that was "by appointment only". I would like to visit that section even though I have no idea what it contains....
<< <i> Also, I noticed the HOF archives section that was "by appointment only". I would like to visit that section even though I have no idea what it contains....
Thanks for the comments guys!! Dave >>
Dave, its a must for the serious collector/historian. They have game programs, media guides, game box scores, play-by-plays and official game write-ups/summaries. If the Colts are your team, you can literally find out anything you ever wanted to know about them or their history in the archives. They won't open it on weekends though, so you have to go M-F. I have the contact info you need to make an appointment if/when you ever want to go in there. No cost to do so, and you should be able to get in with a week or so advance notice.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Thanks for sharing dave. Very nice. I live 2 hours drive from the BB and BK HOF (also boxing and a few others) but never been to canton. Some day. Your son will remember it for a lifetime. Is it me....or does steve largent look like dan marino
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Your wife suggested that you spend your vacation day at the Pro Football HOF? Are you kidding? It would cost me a day of me playing the man-wife and $100 gift certificate to Lancome for her to agree....lol..
Rgs,
Greg M.
Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!
For those of you who don't pay attention to other threads on this board, MOSH will be retiring this set soon. Anyone interested in any of his cards should contact Rick at MINTState@msn.com. A lot of upgrade opportunities for many of us here.
OK got it now...Rick had emailed me back about 2 weeks ago about a large collection. Hope I can scrape up a few pennies and buy something. I take back the comment about steve Largent looking like Marino....I didn't realize I was insulting good ole dan.
Did you all notice MOSH retired the all time raiders set.....now I am #1 in something
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
yes if you get a 9,10 lechler I would like one. I voted for him as he is truely a 2nd coming of ray guy. well perennial pro bowler anyways. no I didn't vote for matusak...he was not all that great. I don't think he ever went to even one pro bowl.
Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets 1948-76 Topps FB Sets FB & BB HOF Player sets 1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>yes if you get a 9,10 lechler I would like one. I voted for him as he is truely a 2nd coming of ray guy. well perennial pro bowler anyways. no I didn't vote for matusak...he was not all that great. I don't think he ever went to even one pro bowl. >>
Are pro bowls required to be an all-time raider? Must be a short checklist....
Ok Jay, I'll sub a couple of them and hope they come back tens. I was surprised when I looked at Matuszack's stats and saw he had no pro-bowl appearances, also didn't know he was 6'08".
Well, MOSH's set is now retired and unlocked so we can all see what he was able to compile. It's going to be interesting to see how this set trickles down to the rest of us once the certs are released.
I was looking at the HOF website and noticed that George Halas is listed as being inducted as a Coach, Contributor, and PLAYER..... He is listed in the section Pre-Modern Era: Ends
<< <i>There are 247 members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The positions list totals 253 because six members are included in more than one category. Guy Chamberlin -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: Ends) | Jimmy Conzelman -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: RB and QB) | Ray Flaherty -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: Ends) | George Halas -- Coaches; Contributors; and Players (Pre-Modern Era: Ends) | Curly Lambeau - Coaches; Contributors; and Players (Pre-Modern Era RB and QB) |Steve Owen -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: Two-Way Performers - G, T, C)
>>
My question is...............Why is his 52 Bowman not an eligible card in the HOF RC set, if he, is indeed, inducted as a player?????? I realize that he was a player from 1920-1928, but I don't see how that is any different than the 55 Topps AA cards produced decades after those players....
Im not sure why I never noticed this before. Thoughts? Anyone objected to adding this card?
And if your answer is.............................."George is listed as a coach on the card. That is why he is not included" then........
We need to take Joe Stydahar out of the set because he is listed as coach of the Rams on his 52 Bowman card. It seems that we need to either add Halas or take out Stydahar..... I vote for adding Halas.
There are quite a few guys who fall into that same category...Elected primarily for other reasons, but yes, did play the game at some point. Some more significantly than others. Or on the other hand, guys who were elected as players, but were also head coaches (Norm Van Brocklin is an example).
The difference is this....Halas would never have been elected based strictly on his play. He was elected as a coach/contributor, but was also a player. If you click on the HOFers name, it will take you to their bio page and will actually list what they were inducted as, and George Halas is listed as Founder, Owner, Coach. On the positions page is says specifically:
"NOTE: Pro Football Hall of Fame members are listed by their PRIMARY contributions to pro football"
Key word is contributions. Halas certainly contributed as a player as he played for 9 years. But if he were not one of, if not the greatest coach/owner in football history would he have been elected for his play on the field? The answer to that is easily no. And that is why he is not listed on the HOF Rookie PLAYER set. He wasn't a HOF player. He was a HOF coach/owner who also happened to be a very good player who contributed many years to the NFL as a player.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>And if your answer is.............................."George is listed as a coach on the card. That is why he is not included" then........
We need to take Joe Stydahar out of the set because he is listed as coach of the Rams on his 52 Bowman card. It seems that we need to either add Halas or take out Stydahar..... I vote for adding Halas.
Dave >>
Has zero to do with the card. Its the fact that he was not a HOF caliber "player", and would not have been elected based strictly on his merits as a player. Played from 1920-1928, was never once recognized as an All-Pro. This is who we want on the HOF Rookie Players set? Anyone randomly looking at the set and seeing George Halas listed as a player would probably laugh and/or disregard the set as non-nonsensical. He's recognized as one of the all-time great coaches/owners in history, not as a player.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Comments
1952 Stydahar (large) 7
1952 Matson (large) 7
1954 Atkins 7
1958 Jurgensen 7
1960 Gregg 8
1962 Shaw 8
1963 Lilly 8
1964 Bell 8
1974 Hannah 9
Anyone notice anything of interest in the Mile High auction? First Namath 8 I have seen in quite awhile....
Jasen
Just got back another AA sub. Four more 10's! Including Edwards, Rockne, Feathers and Kinnard. I told Isaacson I would trade him all four for his Bronko 9 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO
Congrats on the 10's!! I saw you posted your set but you are still lagging behind a little bit. When are you going to be #1?
Dave
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Does a card with a qualifier(ex. 8OC) ALWAYS have a 2 point deduction when listed in a set or does the amount of the deduction vary from set to set?
Also, do the deductions change depending on the qualifier? ex. OC vs. MK vs. PD etc?
I don't really understand how all that works.
Thanks for your help,
Doc
I believe it's always a 2-pt. deduction and is the same for all qualifiers.
Jasen
9Q = -2
8Q = -2
7Q = -2
6Q = -2
5Q = -2
4Q = -2
3Q = -1
2Q = -1
1Q & 1.5Q = no deduction
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Doc
<< <i>Thanks guys, does the -2 deduction apply to ALL qualifiers?
Doc >>
Yes, all Q's are created equal..
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Anyone make any recent upgrades to this set? If so, lets see some pics.
I finally made my first upgrade since completing the set 3 months ago....This upgrades my 7
Anyone else have some scans to share???
Dave
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I'm new to the Message Board, and I hope this link to one of my newer additions to this Set Registry works. This is a card of a rather unsung HOFer, but I really like the looks of the 1951 Bowman Football. I obtained this card from Mint State, Inc. last month. I'm new to collecting, never having seen a graded sports card until last year. I hope to check this Registry Message Board to learn more about collecting & investing in the PSA Football HOF Rookies Set. -Keith
BTW, that's one of my old cards!! One of my first set of .5 bumps.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
fyi - guess what numero uno H o F set got passed yesterday? See below - it's the one that PSA could safely say would not be passed anytime soon or maybe, ever !!!!!!!!!!
Wes Verno (2003) - 1955 Topps All-American Basic Set Football
Last year, this tremendous set won for Best Rookie Set of the Year with a GPA of 8.85. This year, it went up to 8.95! That's right, a set that is almost uniformly PSA Mint 9s across the board. When you consider how hot these cards have been for about two years now and how old the set is, the accomplishment is tremendous. This is a set that we think we can safely say will not be surpassed anytime soon and, maybe, ever
<< <i>Yes, I got it. I am going to have to get back with you. There are a few things on ebay that I am currently watching.
Congrats on the 10's!! I saw you posted your set but you are still lagging behind a little bit. When are you going to be #1?
Dave
>>
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
Jasen
<< <i>Your link didn't work Keith, here ya go....
BTW, that's one of my old cards!! One of my first set of .5 bumps.
Jason >>
Jason, thank you for posting the 1951 Bowman 8.5 Weinmeister for me. It must be funny to see one of your former cards posted. A long-deferred congratulations to you on your eye to be rewarded with the 0.5 point bump.
It's remarkable to me that in the early 1950s, Bowman took time and resources to design, color, and choose significant card stock for printing "bubble gum cards" depicting a sport that was not nearly America's most popular in that era. Countless well-preserved 1950, 1951, and 1952 Bowman vintage cards are now almost visual jaw-droppers to me.
$200 delivered.
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Jasen
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When will the all-decade team '00-'09 be coming out and who will be on it?
Offense
First Team ...................................Second Team
QB Peyton Manning........................... Tom Brady
WR Randy Moss........................... Torry Holt
WR Marvin Harrison........................ Terrell Ownes
TE Tony Gonzales............................ Antonio Gates
T Jonathan Ogden...................... Orlando Pace
T Walter Jones......................... Jon Runyan
G Larry Allen ......................... Steve Hutchinson
G Alan Faneca............................. Will Shields /Brian Watters
C Kevin Mawae............................. Olin Kreutz/Jeff Satruday
FB Lorenzo Neal............................ Tony Richardson
RB LaDanian Tomlinson ...................... Clinton Portis
RB Edgerrin James..................................... Shaun Alexander
Defense
First Team ................................ Second Team
DE Michael Strahan .................... Dwight Freeney
DE Jason Taylor ....................... Julius Peppers
DT Kevin Williams .......................... Warren Sapp
DT Richard Seymour ................................. Bryant Young/Kris Jenkins
MLB Ray Lewis ..................................... Brian Urlacher
OLB Derrick Brooks .................................... Joey Porter
OLB Terrell Suggs .................................... Shawne Merriman Keith Bullock, Vrabel
CB Champ Bailey ......................................... Ty Law
CB Ronde Barber ................................. Chris McAlister/Charles Woodson
SS Troy Polamalu ......................................... Darren Sharper Rodney Harrison
FS` Ed Reed ....................................... Brian Dawkins
K Adam Vinatieri ..................................... David Akers
P Shane Lechler ......................................... Jeff Feagles
KR Dante Hall
PR Devin Hester
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
So my wife and I have tomorrow and friday off for spring break. We had no plans until tonight when my wife suggested that we go to the Football HOF. Well, the room is booked and we will be heading to Canton tomorrow night, spending all day friday at the Hall.......heading back saturday morning.
We will be taking our 10 year old son (Austin), who is as big a football fanatic as me. I don't know who's more excited....me or him...
Canton is about a 4 1/2 hour drive from our home in Indiana...
I reached 100% on my football hall of fame set a few months ago, and this will be like the icing on the cake!!
I'll make sure to take plenty of pics to post.
I'm going to need some ambien to get to sleep tonight........
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The interactive video monitors they have in the room with all the HOF busts is really cool.
Doc
Hope you enjoy!!!
2009 Pro Football HOF
Dave
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If I lived less then 5 hours away I'd be there once a month...lol...
My next HOF trip is planned for early June to take advantage of the free admission for active duty military...Going with an Army buddy who's never been and plan on catching an Indians game as well.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
It really was an awesome time and it felt like it brought my collection full circle. I just kept thinking to myself the whole time.....I should have came here a long time ago.....LOL...
There were only a couple things I would like to do different next time. It was raining the whole day so I didn't get any pictures of the outside. There is an outdoor field right by the HOF that you can run around on. If the weather was nicer, my son and I could have stood out there and threw a football for a while.
Also, I noticed the HOF archives section that was "by appointment only". I would like to visit that section even though I have no idea what it contains....
Thanks for the comments guys!!
Dave
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
<< <i>
Also, I noticed the HOF archives section that was "by appointment only". I would like to visit that section even though I have no idea what it contains....
Thanks for the comments guys!!
Dave >>
Dave, its a must for the serious collector/historian. They have game programs, media guides, game box scores, play-by-plays and official game write-ups/summaries. If the Colts are your team, you can literally find out anything you ever wanted to know about them or their history in the archives. They won't open it on weekends though, so you have to go M-F. I have the contact info you need to make an appointment if/when you ever want to go in there. No cost to do so, and you should be able to get in with a week or so advance notice.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Doc
Is it me....or does steve largent look like dan marino
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>....or does steve largent look like dan marino >>
Blasphemer!!
One of these days man, one of these day Ill make the trip to mecca
Those are great pictures Dave, thanks very much for sharing
<< <i>
<< <i>....or does steve largent look like dan marino >>
Blasphemer!!
One of these days man, one of these day Ill make the trip to mecca
Those are great pictures Dave, thanks very much for sharing >>
I hope you aren't waiting for another Seahawk to be inducted.....you'll want to go when you are young enough to enjoy it!
Jasen
What was your favorite part?
Dave
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<< <i>One of these days man, one of these day Ill make the trip to mecca >>
Come on out to the National and we'll plan a day in Canton (perhaps the Monday after or stay the week and catch the induction the next weekend).
<< <i>
<< <i>One of these days man, one of these day Ill make the trip to mecca >>
Come on out to the National and we'll plan a day in Canton (perhaps the Monday after or stay the week and catch the induction the next weekend). >>
Thanks for the offer Scott, but im straight, plus your "life partner" might get jealous
And jasen, dont think for a second I missed that comment about the Seahawks. Go to the dance and suddenly your looking down your snoot at all of us
Your wife suggested that you spend your vacation day at the Pro Football HOF? Are you kidding? It would cost me a day of me playing the man-wife and $100 gift certificate to Lancome for her to agree....lol..
Rgs,
Greg M.
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Rgs,
Greg M.
References:
Onlychild, Ahmanfan, fabfrank, wufdude, jradke, Reese, Jasp, thenavarro
E-Bay id: greg_n_meg
Jasen
I take back the comment about steve Largent looking like Marino....I didn't realize I was insulting good ole dan.
Did you all notice MOSH retired the all time raiders set.....now I am #1 in something
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
I bought some raw Lechlers to sub, they all look pretty good let me know if you want one.
Did you vote for Matuszak?
I voted for him as he is truely a 2nd coming of ray guy. well perennial pro bowler anyways.
no I didn't vote for matusak...he was not all that great. I don't think he ever went to even one pro bowl.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>yes if you get a 9,10 lechler I would like one.
I voted for him as he is truely a 2nd coming of ray guy. well perennial pro bowler anyways.
no I didn't vote for matusak...he was not all that great. I don't think he ever went to even one pro bowl. >>
Are pro bowls required to be an all-time raider? Must be a short checklist....
Jasen
Sorry, couldn't resist.....
I was surprised when I looked at Matuszack's stats and saw he had no pro-bowl appearances, also didn't know he was 6'08".
Jasen
Here is one of my newest upgrades...
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I was looking at the HOF website and noticed that George Halas is listed as being inducted as a Coach, Contributor, and PLAYER.....
He is listed in the section Pre-Modern Era: Ends
Also.......This is a direct quote from the positions page
<< <i>There are 247 members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The positions list totals 253 because six members are included in more than one category. Guy Chamberlin -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: Ends) | Jimmy Conzelman -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: RB and QB) | Ray Flaherty -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: Ends) | George Halas -- Coaches; Contributors; and Players (Pre-Modern Era: Ends) | Curly Lambeau - Coaches; Contributors; and Players (Pre-Modern Era RB and QB) |Steve Owen -- Coaches; Players (Pre-Modern Era: Two-Way Performers - G, T, C)
>>
My question is...............Why is his 52 Bowman not an eligible card in the HOF RC set, if he, is indeed, inducted as a player??????
I realize that he was a player from 1920-1928, but I don't see how that is any different than the 55 Topps AA cards produced decades after those players....
Im not sure why I never noticed this before. Thoughts? Anyone objected to adding this card?
Dave
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We need to take Joe Stydahar out of the set because he is listed as coach of the Rams on his 52 Bowman card. It seems that we need to either add Halas or take out Stydahar..... I vote for adding Halas.
Dave
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There are quite a few guys who fall into that same category...Elected primarily for other reasons, but yes, did play the game at some point. Some more significantly than others. Or on the other hand, guys who were elected as players, but were also head coaches (Norm Van Brocklin is an example).
The difference is this....Halas would never have been elected based strictly on his play. He was elected as a coach/contributor, but was also a player. If you click on the HOFers name, it will take you to their bio page and will actually list what they were inducted as, and George Halas is listed as Founder, Owner, Coach. On the positions page is says specifically:
"NOTE: Pro Football Hall of Fame members are listed by their PRIMARY contributions to pro football"
Key word is contributions. Halas certainly contributed as a player as he played for 9 years. But if he were not one of, if not the greatest coach/owner in football history would he have been elected for his play on the field? The answer to that is easily no. And that is why he is not listed on the HOF Rookie PLAYER set. He wasn't a HOF player. He was a HOF coach/owner who also happened to be a very good player who contributed many years to the NFL as a player.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>And if your answer is.............................."George is listed as a coach on the card. That is why he is not included" then........
We need to take Joe Stydahar out of the set because he is listed as coach of the Rams on his 52 Bowman card. It seems that we need to either add Halas or take out Stydahar..... I vote for adding Halas.
Dave >>
Has zero to do with the card. Its the fact that he was not a HOF caliber "player", and would not have been elected based strictly on his merits as a player. Played from 1920-1928, was never once recognized as an All-Pro. This is who we want on the HOF Rookie Players set? Anyone randomly looking at the set and seeing George Halas listed as a player would probably laugh and/or disregard the set as non-nonsensical. He's recognized as one of the all-time great coaches/owners in history, not as a player.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.