Going back to the #416 Haywood Sullivan card. I just checked the cards I have and my cards show the following: 2 cards with circle and period- neither have the brown box in the lower left corner. 1 card with no circle and with a period- has the brown box. 1 card with no circle and no period- has the brown box.
Maybe this will help you to tally which cards come with the box and which do not. If you are keeping a tally, maybe others on the board can let you know what they have, if you are interested.
Registry sets: 1954 Topps BB 1955 Bowman BB 1956 Topps Super BB 1957 Topps BB 1969 Topps BB 1984 Donruss BB 1961 Fleer W.S. Pennants 1960-62 Fleer Team Logo Decals Run
Spahnfan---thanks for posting that info. I had collected the 3 back variants ( the missing period after USA being the toughest) and then became aware of the faint box on the lower left front on some of the cards. It would be interesting to know if all 3 different backs can all be found with or without the front box. Something for Don to shoot for
This was the first set I finished, a long time back, so it is a sentimental favorite of mine. I have collected the variations listed in SCD and the Registry, and a few non listed ones as well. I had accumulated several dupes in the 199-286 range that were gray or white backs depending on what I already had in the set. I recently decided to finish that series in both gray and white backs. I still need a handful to finish the job. With the exception of the 52 red and black backs I had not generally tried previously to a finish out my sets with back stock differences. The hardest would be the scarce gray backs ( sometimes referred to as Canadians) in the 52 and 54 sets which already go for huge premiums. The grays in 59 in the 199-286 range are less plentiful than the whites but not price prohibitive.
Hey, Don, I finished series 199-286 in both gray and white back. I have all the variations listed in SCD or Becketts or the Regisrty, so I think have as master a set as I can get....but maybe for that yellow name Bauer :-(
Don---here is another one you "need". Lindy can be found with a white streak near the logo. It is a scarce but recurring print defect. Can from time to time be spotted on ebay
Nice card Stingray. This card came out right after his very good 20 HR/83 RBI season for Detroit in 1958. His 1959 season was not so good. He also hit the last HR by a NY Giant player before the move to SF
Guys, There is a 1959 spahn born in 31, psa 8, currently on e bay. the 3 on 1931 does not look right to me. It does not look like the one I have. what do you think. Its s big bcks card .
It does look a little funky, like maybe a transition between the 1921 and 1931 that was more complete than the traditional blur version. Here is mine. All 3 are shown on page 49 of this thread. The listing one looks a little different...a 4th ?
<< <i>BTW, congratulations on being named to the CU Collectors Hall of Fame. >>
Thank you, Don. It is/was an honor, although I have to think they screwed up somewhere when I see all of the other amazing collections in just our sphere of friends, not to mention all of the people who I don't know.
Beautiful Card Don ! Are they still discovering variations in the '59 set ...............or are they just now recognizing the ones that have been known about ????? Robbie
PS ...........Congrats Bob on the Awards ..............you deserve it !
Collect 1964 Topps Baseball 1963 Fleer Lou Brock Master Set
There are some other variations in the 1959 Topps set and Bishop (Al) is the resident expert on them.
Al, please give us some of the variations that you have found over the recent years that are not graded by PSA......the yellow name Bauer is an interesting one, but I don't think hardly any of those exist except for what you found.
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
Most of the additional variants I have are recurring print defects. But since PSA has recognized the 61 Fairly with the green smudge in the baseball on the back as a variation, who knows what they might do with some of these in the future if submitted ( I am not a graded collector). As we have discussed before the 58 Herrer, the 57 Bakep and maybe the 52 Campos black star and missing front border are also all recurring print defects, yet recognized as variations.
Card 78 Ramos can be found with an irregular upper left border that is partially yellow rather than white. They show up on ebay here and there.
Card 181 Porterfield can be found with a errant green line running alongside the years on the back
Card 313 House can be found with some missing HR stats on the back. It can also be found with a portion of the t in "Complete" on the back missing
Card 317, Hitting Kings can be found ( regularly) with a scribbled A above the joined shoulders of Asburn and Mays
Card 360 Wynn can be found with a broken green back border line on left side along the years. It can also be found with a partially missing i in pitcher on the front
Card 404 Sauer can be found with different degrees of yellow in the bottom otherwise white border. It can also be found with an errant black line between the n in San and the bottom border
Card 407 Drabowsky can be found with an irregular front top border, a white box extending into the pink above his name.
Card 407, Sullivan, is listed with 3 back variations, but also has a front variant --with or with out a small brown box found regularly just below the logo in the lower left front
Card 479 McDaniel can be found with a white streak along the logo in the lower left front
Card 548 Singleton can be found with a yellow streak in the otherwise white bottom front border. It can also be found (scarce) with a messed up, partially missing C in Chicago.
Then there is maybe the 4th Spahn DOB discussed above :-)
I think I have posted most of these earlier in this thread but if anyone needs scans of one or more let me know
I have a #38 from the 1961 topps set that has a significant amount of green in the baseball. Can't get this listed as a variety, yet the Fairly is listed. Maybe in time they will add it.
I did not mean to sidetrack this thread to 1961 by mentioning the Fairly as a print defect recognized as a variation by PSA, but that defect is occurs in several 1961 cards.
Staying off-track for just a moment more, the Fairly with green in the bottom of the baseball is a variation that I wish they had not recognized. To your point, there are more similar variations in other 1961 cards. When I happened to check my set a couple of years ago, my Fairly did indeed have the entire bottom of the baseball in green which is the intended variation. I had that card reholder and now have it in the Green Baseball in PSA 8. What I have seen in other copies that have been regraded to the Green Baseball variation is that those cards, for the most part, are not the true variation....they only have a small splash of green somewhere in the baseball, not the entire bottom covered.....yet PSA has holdered them as the green variation making the whole thing a joke really.
There is a PSA 8.5 Fairly on ebay right now for a BIN of $4500....lol....check out the back of that card and you can see what I am talking about....it is not the true variation!!
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
Hello - I am new to CU and of course new to this thread. I am not a "young" collector and I collect 1956 - 1960 baseball only. I have been "creeping" on this thread and have really enjoyed following all of the discussions and the really great pics of your cards. I am not here to complete with anyone but I am trying to complete a '59 graded set in 7-8.5 condition. I do have some questions pertaining to grading and other grading companies which I do not feel are appropriate to ask the entire community. If anyone would like to send me a PM on CU, I would be grateful and I would also appreciate all comments related to my questions. If this post is out of line, please let me know how I should proceed - hate to get booted after 1 post - .
I am not a graded collector so would be of no use to you on your questions, but wanted to say welcome from another "not young" collector. Why 56 to 60, and opposed to any years prior or since ? Are you doing basic or master sets for those years ? Another place you can ask questions about grading for sets from those years would be Net 54 post war ...net54baseball.com
"Thank You" for the welcome! To answer your question "why 1956 to 1960?" Those five years are what I collected as a kid age 9 to 13/14. I was lucky that my parents never tossed them out. I have collected some later cards but never got into the modern stuff that seems to have everyone confused except the flippers (not meant to be a slam at all, just not my thing). About 7 years ago, I completed my 1956 set which is comprised of ungraded and graded cards. I will never get rid of my original cards and do not include them in the set. On average, I would say the set is very close to NrMt with some 7.5's and 8's, a couple 5's and several to grade yet. I always keep an eye out for upgrades. My '59's are what I am working on now and I have had about 75 graded myself. They are mostly 8's and 8.5's with several 7.5's and a few 7's. I have a long way to go with this set (about 70% to go) and have plenty of time to work on it, God willing. I have about the equivalent number to complete (70%) on the 57's and 58's with the 60's more than that. Other than what I have purchased for these sets, the majority of my cards are my original purchases from the neighborhood grocery - wish I would have saved the wrappers (most were 1 cent but once in a while a 5 cent pack was a luxury). I have always loved baseball and old cards and I think the 59's are a great card. Hope this has helped.
Welcome!! So glad to have you chime in on the 1959 Topps set and share with us what you are collecting and some of your personal collecting history. I know that I can identify exactly as to what you say.....I collected as a kid starting in 1959 through 1966 before girls, etc. The 1959 Topps is my signature set, my favorite and the one that I work on the most but I do really enjoy collecting 1960 through 1963 Topps too.
Anything that I can do to help you out on the 1959's please let me know. I do have PSA 8's available whenever I pick up a 9, so I will let you know when I have something that may help your set.
Do you plan to create a 1959 Topps registry set here on PSA or have you already done that? It would be great to see. My sets are on there under my name if you would like to check them out.
Again, welcome!!
Don
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball set registry id Don Johnson Collection ebay id truecollector14
"Thank You" for the welcome, Don, and to help add to my 59 Topps collection - I appreciate that. I am not the most computer literate and seem unable to figure out how to view your Regiseted Set. Do I need to do something special or join PSA? Also, would you be open to receiving a PM from me? Basically, I have PSA and BVG cards and I am not sure I can talk about that being this is a PSA related site. If you prefer I not PM some questions, I certainly understand. My guess is CU will not allow any other graded cards than PSA in the registry; is this correct? Thanks again for the welcome and I look forward to keeping in touch via this thread.
Don - Last night I looked at your registry set and, about 24 hours later, I am just getting my breath back. That is absolutely the greatest looking full set of any year, any card brand, I have ever had the chance to look at. I have no words to describe your set other than to say "unbelievable"! Thank you for sharing it. Do you ever plan to add pics to all of your cards? I will look at that set again and again as I add to mine. As I indicated earlier, I am shooting for nicely centered 7's to 8.5's but would not be opposed to sticking a 9 or two in there somehow. Thanks again.
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2 cards with circle and period- neither have the brown box in the lower left corner.
1 card with no circle and with a period- has the brown box.
1 card with no circle and no period- has the brown box.
Maybe this will help you to tally which cards come with the box and which do not. If you are keeping a tally, maybe others on the board can let you know what they have, if you are interested.
1954 Topps BB
1955 Bowman BB
1956 Topps Super BB
1957 Topps BB
1969 Topps BB
1984 Donruss BB
1961 Fleer W.S. Pennants
1960-62 Fleer Team Logo Decals Run
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collecting this set is just a lot of fun and with the variations.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Speaking of gray backs, that is one thing that I have never tried to do....collect both gray and white backs in that series. Maybe I should. lol
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
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Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>Gail Harrisas one of my favorite Tigers back in the day along with Kaline,Kueun,Maxwell and Bolling. >>
+1
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It does look a little funky, like maybe a transition between the 1921 and 1931 that was more complete than the traditional blur version. Here is mine. All 3 are shown on page 49 of this thread. The listing one looks a little different...a 4th ?
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Edit -- now 52
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
<< <i>That was the toughest of the 3 for me to get
This is one I was referencing
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
<< <i>Beautiful card Don. Hope you don't become one of those obsessed variation guys., >>
True enough. Those guys are beyond hope.
bobsbbcards SGC Registry Sets
BTW, congratulations on being named to the CU Collectors Hall of Fame.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
<< <i>BTW, congratulations on being named to the CU Collectors Hall of Fame. >>
Thank you, Don. It is/was an honor, although I have to think they screwed up somewhere when I see all of the other amazing collections in just our sphere of friends, not to mention all of the people who I don't know.
bobsbbcards SGC Registry Sets
From my standpoint PSA got it right. Collector of the Year last year, Hall of Fame this year. What will it be for 2015 Bob
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
the ones that have been known about ?????
Robbie
PS ...........Congrats Bob on the Awards ..............you deserve it !
1963 Fleer
Lou Brock Master Set
There are some other variations in the 1959 Topps set and Bishop (Al) is the resident expert on them.
Al, please give us some of the variations that you have found over the recent years that are not graded by PSA......the yellow name Bauer is an interesting one, but I don't think hardly any of those exist except for what you found.
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Card 78 Ramos can be found with an irregular upper left border that is partially yellow rather than white. They show up on ebay here and there.
Card 181 Porterfield can be found with a errant green line running alongside the years on the back
Card 313 House can be found with some missing HR stats on the back. It can also be found with a portion of the t in "Complete" on the back missing
Card 317, Hitting Kings can be found ( regularly) with a scribbled A above the joined shoulders of Asburn and Mays
Card 360 Wynn can be found with a broken green back border line on left side along the years. It can also be found with a partially missing i in pitcher on the front
Card 404 Sauer can be found with different degrees of yellow in the bottom otherwise white border. It can also be found with an errant black line between the n in San and the bottom border
Card 407 Drabowsky can be found with an irregular front top border, a white box extending into the pink above his name.
Card 407, Sullivan, is listed with 3 back variations, but also has a front variant --with or with out a small brown box found regularly just below the logo in the lower left front
Card 479 McDaniel can be found with a white streak along the logo in the lower left front
Card 548 Singleton can be found with a yellow streak in the otherwise white bottom front border. It can also be found (scarce) with a messed up, partially missing C in Chicago.
Then there is maybe the 4th Spahn DOB discussed above :-)
I think I have posted most of these earlier in this thread but if anyone needs scans of one or more let me know
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
1963 Fleer
Lou Brock Master Set
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1954 Topps BB
1955 Bowman BB
1956 Topps Super BB
1957 Topps BB
1969 Topps BB
1984 Donruss BB
1961 Fleer W.S. Pennants
1960-62 Fleer Team Logo Decals Run
Now back to 1959.....
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
There is a PSA 8.5 Fairly on ebay right now for a BIN of $4500....lol....check out the back of that card and you can see what I am talking about....it is not the true variation!!
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Jim
I am not a graded collector so would be of no use to you on your questions, but wanted to say welcome from another "not young" collector. Why 56 to 60, and opposed to any years prior or since ? Are you doing basic or master sets for those years ? Another place you can ask questions about grading for sets from those years would be Net 54 post war ...net54baseball.com
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Jim
Welcome!! So glad to have you chime in on the 1959 Topps set and share with us what you are collecting and some of your personal collecting history. I know that I can identify exactly as to what you say.....I collected as a kid starting in 1959 through 1966 before girls, etc. The 1959 Topps is my signature set, my favorite and the one that I work on the most but I do really enjoy collecting 1960 through 1963 Topps too.
Anything that I can do to help you out on the 1959's please let me know. I do have PSA 8's available whenever I pick up a 9, so I will let you know when I have something that may help your set.
Do you plan to create a 1959 Topps registry set here on PSA or have you already done that? It would be great to see. My sets are on there under my name if you would like to check them out.
Again, welcome!!
Don
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Jim
1959 Topps Master Set
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Collect primarily 1959-1963 Topps Baseball
set registry id Don Johnson Collection
ebay id truecollector14
Jim
"What we need is one of those threads about whether Biggio and Fisk should be in the Hall Of Fame."
Carlton Fisk was inducted in 2000 to the HOF. Biggio has not - will he be? Just keeping this thread active so thought I would comment.