Official NFL HOF autograph set thread???

Reese3333

OK found it. Here is the checklist.

1999 AP Ace Parker Blue Devils
1999 BL Bobby Layne Lions
1999 BN Bronko Nagurski Bears
1999 BW Bob Waterfield Rams
1999 DH Don Hutson Packers
1999 EN Ernie Nevers Cardinals
1999 GH George Halas Bears
1999 JT Jim Thorpe NFL logo
1999 NV Norm Van Brocklin Rams
1999 PB Paul Brown Bengals
1999 PR Pete Rozelle NFL logo
1999 RG Red Grange Bears
1999 RN Ray Nitschke Packers
1999 VL Vince Lombardi Packers
1999 WE Weeb Ewbank Jets

Reese3333

Oh jeez I've got a problem. I think I am going to be sick. Hopefully I can get my $650 back

1 09192136 1952 BOWMAN SMALL 4 STEVE OWEN N/A Not Holdered, Questionable Authentication

IMeddie

Jeez --- How long ago did you obtain it?

Reese3333

I bought it on October 3. The seller has a huge collection of vintage football stuff and has some things online now. There is no way the Owen is fake.

gregm13

<< <i>Oh jeez I've got a problem. I think I am going to be sick. Hopefully I can get my $650 back

1 09192136 1952 BOWMAN SMALL 4 STEVE OWEN N/A Not Holdered, Questionable Authentication >>



Sorry to hear that. I would send to JSA before you ask for your money back. I guess that I should be grateful that I ended up not buying that card.

Regards,

Greg M.

Reese3333

Well, I already asked him for a refund. He said he would return my money if it didn't pass PSA. Here is a pictue, what do you guys think?

gregm13

<< <i>Greg,

I can't find the checklist for the UD Legends Century Cuts, but here is the scan of the Thorpe from the set. I know for sure that Nagurski and Van Brocklin are in the set and that they are all numbered 1/1.




Here are some of the other Thorpe cuts

>>



Reese,

Thanks for posting the Thorpe auto....god would I love that. Actually, I would like an autographed Sports King card...that would be very sweet.

Regards,

Greg M.

Reese3333

No problem,

After looking at some of these I can't believe how bad some of them look. The one directly above the 99 Century cut is terrible! They were barely able to fit "Jim" in the space! On 3 (UD portraits, 05 Legends, and 99 Century) of those the autograph doesn't fit in the space. And to top it off, how about that Jim Brown sticker auto. Ridiculous!!!

I do think that Playoff did a tremendous job with National Treasures Cuts. Each fits in the space, and they didn't cut his name off in any those pictured. It gives me hope that the card companies are taking more time when working on these. I can only dream about owning one of these, so I guess I am going to have to hunt down a nice index card.

Reese3333

Very interesting....I just found out the Owen was originally purchased from UKRedskins. I have probably bought 20 raw signed cards from him and never ever had a problem. I really like CJ he is a good guy.

IMeddie

That is interesting. I have bought a few from him as well without a problem.

jradke4

Got poppage on my part of the group PSA/DNA sub.

Here it is

1 07311802 1978 TOPPS 127 ELVIN BETHEA PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 7
2 07311803 1973 TOPPS 214 NICK BUONICONTI PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 5
3 07311804 1977 TOUCHDOWN CLUB 3 BENNY FRIEDMAN PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 9
4 07311805 1977 TOUCHDOWN CLUB 35 TUFFY LEEMANS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 9OC
5 07311806 1990 PRO SET 48 MARV LEVY PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 2
6 07311807 1997 U.D. LEGENDS 53 MARION MOTLEY PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
7 07311808 1997 U.D. LEGENDS 59 JOE PERRY PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 9
8 07311809 1994 TED WILLIAMS CO. S32 O.J. SIMPSON PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
9 07311810 2001 TOPPS HOF CLASS RY RON YARY PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
10 07311811 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP DREW BLEDSOE PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 9
11 07311812 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP RICK MIRER PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 9
12 07311813 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP STEVE YOUNG PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
13 07311814 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP KERRY COLLINS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
14 07311815 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP JERRY RICE PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
15 07311816 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP MARK BRUNELL PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 10
16 07311817 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP MARK BRUNELL PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
17 07311818 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP SCOTT MITCHELL PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 9
18 07311819 1996 LASERVIEW INSCRIP BARRY SANDERS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8

Date Received: 11/21/2007
Date of Grades Posted: 11/29/2007
Date Shipped: 11/29/2007


My other subs from the show havent even been logged in yet.

gregm13

<< <i>Very interesting....I just found out the Owen was originally purchased from UKRedskins. I have probably bought 20 raw signed cards from him and never ever had a problem. I really like CJ he is a good guy. >>



Reese,

Is he going to return your money? I still think the autograph is good.

Greg M.

Reese3333

Yeah the guy I bought it from is going to refund me, then he is going to get a refund from UK. I picked up a book signed by Owen so I am going to probably send it off to Knuckles. I emailed customer service to try and figure out what the problem was. They probably do not keep detailed information about every sub, but I thought it was worth a try. I am just bummed about the whole thing....

Reese3333

I am getting these back from Knuckles soon. I think they look pretty cool! The Edwards and Baugh were both on the same page. I didn't want to waste the Baugh signature since it was from the same document. I also won a Guy Chamberlin auto from the last Heritage Auction so I will send him to him as soon as get it.

Fabfrank

More great work from Knuckles. Are you going to get these slabbed Reese? I just added a few cards this week to my HOF Auto set. Bert bell, Cal Hubbard and and Bruiser Kinnard cut sigs as well as a really nice B. Layne

Reese3333

Yeah, the plan is to get them all slabbed. I have the full letter from PSA for the Edwards and Baugh. Some of the others were cracked out of slabs. I am not really sure how to submit them. I want to get a few more made before I send them in to PSA though. I just picked up a Guy Chamberlin autograph from Heritage and a Steve Owen signed book from ebay. I have my eye on two other signatures, so hopefully I can grab those as well.

Those are all great additions to your set. I remember bidding on that Bert Bell thinking I had it! The Bruiser Kinard cut is very cool! I haven't seen that one before. I love the Layne and the Hubbard as well. Great additions!


Reese

gregm13

I just got this beauty in the mail yesterday.

Greg M.

Fabfrank

Reese- Walk me through this. You get the autos, get them certified by PSA/DNA, than send them to Knuckles to made into cards. Than get them re-certified by PSA/DNA again? Or do you get the autos, send the Knuckles and than PSA/DNA and hoped they get slabbed?
I know it sounds like a dumb question, but I'm a little confused.

jradke4

I was wondering that as well Frank. It would suck to have bought a PSA/DNA auto, crack it, have a card made and then have PSA/DNA reject the validity of the auto.

Reese3333

It is a liitle bit different for each signature I have:

From what I understand, as long as you scan everything before you send it to Knuckles there wont be a problem. When Knuckles cracks the slab, he saves the flip. When you send it to PSA, as long as you have a scan of the original slab and the flip, they will slab it with no problems.

The Baugh/Edwards/Trafton all were previously certified by PSA/DNA. The Lyman was purchased from Richard Albershiem so I think it is fine. The Marshall/Bell/and Neale have not been certified by anyone, but were all bought from reputable dealers.

I have been talking to Sean (he has the big hockey collection made by Knuckles) and he said PSA is giving him a deal and are slabbing his cards for $20 each. I really dont want to pay the full PSA/DNA, but I may be forced to.

gregm13

Reese,

Very nice autographs that Knuckles created...thanks for sharing.

Regards,

Greg M.

Reese3333

Thanks Greg!

Congrats on finally finding a Goldberg. That is one very nice card.

What are the odds that both Goldberg and Thomas get in the Hall? I have heard some discussion that neither is really HOF worthy, and that people were not real happy about these senior candidates. What about the modern candidates for 2008?

gregm13

I just got back my cards from Emmitt Thomas signed!!! I'm stoked...now I have an autograph of every semi-finalist!

Greg M.

jradke4

congrats greg.

gregm13

<< <i>Thanks Greg!

Congrats on finally finding a Goldberg. That is one very nice card.

What are the odds that both Goldberg and Thomas get in the Hall? I have heard some discussion that neither is really HOF worthy, and that people were not real happy about these senior candidates. What about the modern candidates for 2008? >>



If the senior candidates aren't picked, then it will break a trend going back to 1998 where all of the senior candidates were elected. I agree that the candidates aren't very strong. It's surprising they were chosen over more deserving candidates.

As for the modern candidates, my choices are:

Cris Carter
Darrell Green
Paul Tagliabue or George Young
Bob Kuechenberg
Derrick Thomas or Art Monk

Just my opinion.

Greg M.

Reese3333

Greg,

Great job getting Emmitt Thomas. Mine cost me $65

I hope George Young gets in. I just won this one today!!!!

George Young Pro Set Auto

Reese3333

I don't know if anyone saw it, but their is a George Preston Marshall signed team card on ebay. FYI I did a quick opinion on it and it came back "Likely Not Genuine"



George Preston Marshall

gregm13

<< <i>I don't know if anyone saw it, but their is a George Preston Marshall signed team card on ebay. FYI I did a quick opinion on it and it came back "Likely Not Genuine"



George Preston Marshall >>



Reese,

Thanks for pointing it out!! I just e-mailed him...lets see what he says. Are you going to chase it also?

Greg M.

Reese3333

Absolutely not....After this whole Owen mess, I am staying away. Doesn't ebay pull the auction after PSA renders the "likely not genuine".
Marshall died in 1969 so it would have given him some time to sign it. Are you going to be bidding?


Here was his response to me about offering a refund if it came back fake:

"It is card #183 1966 Philadelphia. The Washington Redskins team card is on the reverse side. I would offer the money back on any of my other items but I hear cards are crazy sometimes. I'll tell you what if the card is over 500 which is where it should be and you are the winning bidder, I will offer a money back. But what I would suggest is there are several quick scan services through ebay that are inexpensive and can give you a reliable read on it and are a lot less expensive that PSA or Spence. The card was bought from a dealer that I checked out and has a good reputation. I felt good about it and did not want to spend $50+ for the authentication."

jradke4

Well I have been emailing the seller of the Marshall most of the day today. He said that he bought it a few years ago from UK Redskins. Reese, who did you buy the Owen from was it from this same seller? I too got a likely not genuine. Since your Owen was from UK first as well not sure if I am planning on bidding on this one. I asked him to keep me informed if anyone wants to deal off ebay. I have been burned lately by people that have been doing that. I have a card on my watch list and then a few days later its gone. Auction ended early. Thats a real pain in the arse.

jradke4

Reese,

You got me on the YOung. At least I was able to get my Emmitt Thomas for under $30.

Jay

Reese3333

Hi Jay,

I bought the Owen from another seller who said he bought it from UKredskins. I have bought a handful of things from UKRedskins and not had a problem. Off the top of my head, I have purchased autographed cards of George Allen, Buck Buchanan, Jim Tyrer, Al Davis, and Jack Lambert and all passed PSA/DNA. I did have a Pete Rozelle rejected that I purchased from UK, but he agreed to refund me.

I probably overpaid for the Young, but I was tired of looking for it. You got a great price on the Thomas, I bought mine a couple weeks ago from UK for $65.

gregm13

<< <i>Hi Jay,

I bought the Owen from another seller who said he bought it from UKredskins. I have bought a handful of things from UKRedskins and not had a problem. Off the top of my head, I have purchased autographed cards of George Allen, Buck Buchanan, Jim Tyrer, Al Davis, and Jack Lambert and all passed PSA/DNA. I did have a Pete Rozelle rejected that I purchased from UK, but he agreed to refund me.

I probably overpaid for the Young, but I was tired of looking for it. You got a great price on the Thomas, I bought mine a couple weeks ago from UK for $65. >>



CJ's stuff is generally good... Probably 20 to 30 of the cards from my set are from CJ including a few tougher ones.

Regards,

Greg M.

gregm13

<< <i>Hi Jay,

I bought the Owen from another seller who said he bought it from UKredskins. I have bought a handful of things from UKRedskins and not had a problem. Off the top of my head, I have purchased autographed cards of George Allen, Buck Buchanan, Jim Tyrer, Al Davis, and Jack Lambert and all passed PSA/DNA. I did have a Pete Rozelle rejected that I purchased from UK, but he agreed to refund me.

I probably overpaid for the Young, but I was tired of looking for it. You got a great price on the Thomas, I bought mine a couple weeks ago from UK for $65. >>



Reese,

I really don't think that you overpaid for the Young - he is very tough to find. I got lucky and paid $18 for mine earlier this year. If he makes that hall, that's a $100+ card easily.

Regards,

Greg M.

Reese3333

Greg,

The only sale I had tracked was yours. I kind of figured it would be in the $30-40 range, with the talk of him possibly getting in the Hall.
I am happy to pay the $62 for it and mark him off my list! By any chance, do you know where CJ gets his autos from?


Reese

gregm13

<< <i>Greg,

The only sale I had tracked was yours. I kind of figured it would be in the $30-40 range, with the talk of him possibly getting in the Hall.
I am happy to pay the $62 for it and mark him off my list! By any chance, do you know where CJ gets his autos from?


Reese >>



The $18 I paid was abnormally low. I wish that I knew where CJ gets his autos from....I asked but he never told me.

Regards,

Greg M.

jradke4

Either of you two notice that there are a few newer pack issued Darrell Green autos out this year!!!

Reese3333

I didn't realize he had any! Sweet! Are they all stickers?

jradke4

most autos these days are stickers. but i also like some of the newer autos that are included game used materials. i really like them for a hof auto set. get a piece of the game as well as the auto.

Reese3333

Very true, the one on ebay right now with the game used helmet is very nice.

tnspro

Greg,

FYI, you were lucky with that George Young card earlier this year! I remember it well. I was at a computer that couldn't access ebay. I was calling everyone I knew to bid on it for me! Sadly, nobody was around.

I have 2 nice 3x5's already so I wasn't tooo upset ....you can check them out at: under the NFL 3X5 section



Jim's Autographs

gregm13

Great - look what just posted:

1 08261871 1921 EXHIBITS A. EARL NEALE (EARLE)-PSA/DNA CERTIFIED Not Holdered, Questionable Authentication

It's says PSA/DNA certified in the variety line but then says questionable authenticity. Unreal. I called PSA to find out what this means.

Regards,

Greg M.

jradke4

greg, what about my waterfield. why is it listed as a postcard not an exhibit card??

jradke4

Has everyones group subs been logged in? I only got an email about one of mine, and that one popped. The other with Greg has popped as well. I have two others that I submitted the same day with Greg that I still havent heard about.

Fabfrank

I haven't heard anything yet on any other the group subs, or my own submissions

gregm13

Frank,

One of your PSA/DNA orders popped (the 4 card order w/ no grades). The Len Ford came back as questionable authentication..... Unreal.

Greg M.

Reese3333

What is going on with all this stuff? Greg didn't the Neale come from Kevin Keating? I know Frank's Len Ford came from Richard Albershiem. Are they not two of the most recognized dealers in the industry?

gregm13

<< <i>What is going on with all this stuff? Greg didn't the Neale come from Kevin Keating? I know Frank's Len Ford came from Richard Albershiem. Are they not two of the most recognized dealers in the industry? >>



I just talked to PSA and they're saying that the Neale autograph is actually a stamp. Unreal!!! You're right - the Neale came from Kevin Keating....how could he have missed that (assuming PSA is correct)?

Regards,

Greg M.

Reese3333

Are you going to get a refund?

gregm13

<< <i>Are you going to get a refund? >>



Absolutely - I'm incredibly bummed!! Did you receive a refund for the Owen?

Greg M.