<< <i>Yes, I bought those two already slabbed. I paid less than the price of authenticating them so I figured why not. i am building up quite a nest of raw TTM's, I will have to send some in soon. Anyone trade many auto's ?? >>
Nice win on the Nominelli...very sweet card. I have a ton of auto'd cards to trade or outright sell. Are you going to collect the Heisman Auto set? It should be up an running by the end of the year.
Regards,
Greg M.
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I wasn't planning on doing the Heisman set,But, I may do one of the all time Qb,Rb, or Wr sets. If you or anyone has any autos on vintage cards like the Nomellini above I would definitely be interested.
I would probably take just about any HOF'er on a "Playing Days" card. I have Payton,Bradshaw,Butkus,Nomellini,Marchetti, Bilietnikoff, Fouts, Krause, Tom Mack, Dierdorf, Dave Wilcox, Chuck Bednarik, Steve Largent, Joe DeLamielleure, Ken Houston, Ernie Stautner, Bob lilly, andy robustelli, charlie joiner, joe montana,george blanda and a lot of stars not in the hall. (Stabler,Blier,Kilmer,Kiick Etc,etc.) I have two or three signed index cards that I sent TTM that I just meant to sandwhich the cards in between for protection that got signed too. I really dont have much interest in the index cards so if someone wanted to trade for those it would be cool.
Reese - I haven't entered any cards in the registry for several months...so I can't help unfortunately.
Did anyone buy a Marshall Goldberg auto'd 1948 Bowman card? I just talked to a seller who recently sold one for $89. I can't figure it out because I look 5 times a day and haven't seen an auto'd Goldberg trading card yet.
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Greg M.
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1 08242570 1990 PRO SET 786 AL DAVIS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
Date Received: 10/29/2007 Date of Grades Posted: 11/13/2007 Date Shipped: 11/13/2007
I sent this one in by itself under the normal price thinking I might have better luck this way then in our group sub. Either way it was worth the extra $5!!!!
Jay
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I recently got this back from PSA/DNA. It has been signed by HOF football coach George Allen. This is the first time I've seen a PSA/DNA card without the name of the person that signed it on the flip. I have looked at other team and superbowl cards, and they always have the name of person that signed it. Is this a mistake? Should I send it back?
Thanks! Reese
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1 08242570 1990 PRO SET 786 AL DAVIS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
Date Received: 10/29/2007 Date of Grades Posted: 11/13/2007 Date Shipped: 11/13/2007
I sent this one in by itself under the normal price thinking I might have better luck this way then in our group sub. Either way it was worth the extra $5!!!!
Jay >>
Wow, congrats Jay! Al Davis is tough, great job getting a high grade version!
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Ok - here are the autographs on vintage cards (when the player played) that I have:
Harry Carson Charlie Joiner Dave Wilcox (personalized to me) Tommy Nobis Gene Hickerson Fred Dean Jack Butler (personalized to me) Chris Hanburger Mick Tingelhoff Richard Dent Jim Langer Charlie Sanders Del Shofner Nick Lowery Dick Stanfel Billy Wilson Johnny Lujack (Heisman card) Ed Budde Lee Roy Jordan Jim Hart Ken Stabler Joe Delamielleure Doug Plank Anthony Munoz Kevin Greene Lynn Chadnois Aeneas Williams Johnny Robinson Mike Holmgren Ron Wolf Johnny Laettner (Heisman card) Herschel Walker Doug Buffone Harold Jackson Jim Bakken Billy Kilmer (Greats of the Game card) Dan Reeves Paul Tagliabue Joe Schmidt Yale Lary Bob Kuechenberg Les Richter Joe Theismann Kevin Butler Babe Parilli Al Wistert Bob Harlan Dick LeBeau Curly Culp Andy Russell Steve Sabol George Kunz Andre Reed
whew...I have a ton more...but way too many to list! Let me know if you're intersted in trading for or purchasing any.
Greg M.
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I've been watching it. The signature is cut off so bad though, plus its a poor Neale signature anyway. Must have been signed later in his life. Your Neale might have the nicest signature I have ever seen. I need one to add to my registry set, but I think I will wait for a better one.
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I sent 2 cards to Art Modell to sign at the end of August. On Monday, I received an envelope in the mail and my wife said that the cards came back unsigned...and I was dejected. I came home and realized that the cards were signed...but the sigs are somewhat hard to see:
The sign looks a little bolder in the scan that it appears in person. What really gauls me is that I sent a BRAND NEW BLUE SHARPIE with the cards....so I have no f'ing idea why Art couldn't sign the cards w/ the new Sharpie rather than an cruddy, fading marker. I'm very dissapointed to say the least. I'm thinking of resending other cards but will likely wait a few months.
Regards,
Greg M.
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Nice pick up on the Goldberg. It does kinda look like a stamp on the Modell. If not are you that shocked that he would keep your new sharipe and use a cheap crappy one. Kinda fits his MO.
Jay
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Hi Jay. I'm sorry. I didn't know you were the under bidder. Although the sig is not perfectly centered and the last letter is covered. It is clear and crisp. I saw the one Greg got a few months ago and figured this would go for similar money. Is this the first cut sig card for "Greasy" Neale? what other cut sigs are in this product?
<< <i>Hi Jay. I'm sorry. I didn't know you were the under bidder. Although the sig is not perfectly centered and the last letter is covered. It is clear and crisp. I saw the one Greg got a few months ago and figured this would go for similar money. Is this the first cut sig card for "Greasy" Neale? what other cut sigs are in this product? >>
Frank,
There is also a Greasy Neale Canton Cuts that was in a Topps product a couple of years ago (not sure which one). I believe it was also a 1/1. Therefore, you have 1 of 3 Greasy Neale auto'd cards that I've seen.
Regards,
Greg M.
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Thanks Reese. I hould have checked the UD web site. The only other one that I can see wanting from the list is the Thorpe. That might be a little out of my realm at the moment though.
Dont feel bad Greg, I sent George Blanda two cards for an auto and he sent the envelope back un-sealed. So both cards fell out somewhere between My house and Blanda's mailbox.
No problem Frank, I think it is pretty disappointing checklist. I would also love to get my hands on the Thorpe, but unfortunately it is not going to happen. I really wish they would release more than one card for each player.
Reese
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<< <i>Thanks Reese. I hould have checked the UD web site. The only other one that I can see wanting from the list is the Thorpe. That might be a little out of my realm at the moment though. >>
Thorpe would be impossible. I believe there is a collector who pays outrageous prices for every cut Thorpe autograph that has been produced. You're probably looking at $5k to $8.....
Greg M.
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Yeah, I remember reading an article in beckett about that guy. They had a really cool page that had all of the Thorpe cuts pictured. It was really neat to see.
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I've been talking ebay seller that has 06 National Treasures Jim Thorpe #/3 auto. He wants to get between $6000-$7000., so its not impossible. I couldn't spend that much on a card though.
Also, he has a 99 UD Century Legends Norm Van Brocklin 1/1. Does anyone have an idea of what this would sell for. I told him probably between $500-1000, but I am really unfamilair with this issue. What do you guys think?
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<< <i>I've been talking ebay seller that has 06 National Treasures Jim Thorpe #/3 auto. He wants to get between $6000-$7000., so its not impossible. I couldn't spend that much on a card though.
Also, he has a 99 UD Century Legends Norm Van Brocklin 1/1. Does anyone have an idea of what this would sell for. I told him probably between $500-1000, but I am really unfamilair with this issue. What do you guys think? >>
Reese,
I would LOVE the Thorpe....but $5k to $7k is well beyond my means. I think that you're in the general ballpark w/ the Van Brocklin. A Van Brocklin auto on a gum card is approx. $150 to $200 and a cut would be at least $500. I didn't know that cut autographs were issued in the 1999 Century Legends set.
Regards,
Greg M.
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I can't find the checklist for the UD Legends Century Cuts, but here is the scan of the Thorpe from the set. I know for sure that Nagurski and Van Brocklin are in the set and that they are all numbered 1/1.
Here are some of the other Thorpe cuts
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<< <i>Yes, I bought those two already slabbed. I paid less than the price of authenticating them so I figured why not. i am building up quite a nest of raw TTM's, I will have to send some in soon. Anyone trade many auto's ?? >>
Nice win on the Nominelli...very sweet card. I have a ton of auto'd cards to trade or outright sell. Are you going to collect the Heisman Auto set? It should be up an running by the end of the year.
Regards,
Greg M.
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If you or anyone has any autos on vintage cards like the Nomellini above I would definitely be interested.
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I have two or three signed index cards that I sent TTM that I just meant to sandwhich the cards in between for protection that got signed too. I really dont have much interest in the index cards so if someone wanted to trade for those it would be cool.
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I am interested in some of the senior nominees like Billy Wilson.
Todd
<< <i>Greg,
I am interested in some of the senior nominees like Billy Wilson.
Todd >>
Todd,
I'll send you an e-mail of who I have.
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Did anyone buy a Marshall Goldberg auto'd 1948 Bowman card? I just talked to a seller who recently sold one for $89. I can't figure it out because I look 5 times a day and haven't seen an auto'd Goldberg trading card yet.
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Greg M.
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1 08242570 1990 PRO SET 786 AL DAVIS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
Date Received: 10/29/2007
Date of Grades Posted: 11/13/2007
Date Shipped: 11/13/2007
I sent this one in by itself under the normal price thinking I might have better luck this way then in our group sub. Either way it was worth the extra $5!!!!
Jay
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Thanks!
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<< <i>Great news.
1 08242570 1990 PRO SET 786 AL DAVIS PSA/DNA CERTIFIED 8
Date Received: 10/29/2007
Date of Grades Posted: 11/13/2007
Date Shipped: 11/13/2007
I sent this one in by itself under the normal price thinking I might have better luck this way then in our group sub. Either way it was worth the extra $5!!!!
Jay >>
Wow, congrats Jay! Al Davis is tough, great job getting a high grade version!
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Currency Wants: Any note with serial number 00000731
Harry Carson
Charlie Joiner
Dave Wilcox (personalized to me)
Tommy Nobis
Gene Hickerson
Fred Dean
Jack Butler (personalized to me)
Chris Hanburger
Mick Tingelhoff
Richard Dent
Jim Langer
Charlie Sanders
Del Shofner
Nick Lowery
Dick Stanfel
Billy Wilson
Johnny Lujack (Heisman card)
Ed Budde
Lee Roy Jordan
Jim Hart
Ken Stabler
Joe Delamielleure
Doug Plank
Anthony Munoz
Kevin Greene
Lynn Chadnois
Aeneas Williams
Johnny Robinson
Mike Holmgren
Ron Wolf
Johnny Laettner (Heisman card)
Herschel Walker
Doug Buffone
Harold Jackson
Jim Bakken
Billy Kilmer (Greats of the Game card)
Dan Reeves
Paul Tagliabue
Joe Schmidt
Yale Lary
Bob Kuechenberg
Les Richter
Joe Theismann
Kevin Butler
Babe Parilli
Al Wistert
Bob Harlan
Dick LeBeau
Curly Culp
Andy Russell
Steve Sabol
George Kunz
Andre Reed
whew...I have a ton more...but way too many to list! Let me know if you're intersted in trading for or purchasing any.
Greg M.
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<< <i>I am interested in the Gene Hickerson auto. i have tons of autographs to trade including dozens of hall o famers. thanks, Robert >>
Robert,
Do you have a list of what you have for trade? If so, please e-mail to montooth13 at yahoo.com.
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Greg M.
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you know that i bid on it already!! though someone has outdone me so far. but there is still time left.
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Goldberg auto!!!!!
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Did you get my PM about the scans?
Todd
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<< <i>Nice pick up.
Did you get my PM about the scans?
Todd >>
Todd,
PM returned...sorry for the delay.
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I sent 2 cards to Art Modell to sign at the end of August. On Monday, I received an envelope in the mail and my wife said that the cards came back unsigned...and I was dejected. I came home and realized that the cards were signed...but the sigs are somewhat hard to see:
The sign looks a little bolder in the scan that it appears in person. What really gauls me is that I sent a BRAND NEW BLUE SHARPIE with the cards....so I have no f'ing idea why Art couldn't sign the cards w/ the new Sharpie rather than an cruddy, fading marker. I'm very dissapointed to say the least. I'm thinking of resending other cards but will likely wait a few months.
Regards,
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http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/ROCKCITY24/?start=0
Nice pick up on the Goldberg. It does kinda look like a stamp on the Modell. If not are you that shocked that he would keep your new sharipe and use a cheap crappy one. Kinda fits his MO.
Jay
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Nice pickup on the Neale. You just beat me out at the last second!!
Jay
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Is this the first cut sig card for "Greasy" Neale? what other cut sigs are in this product?
<< <i>Hi Jay. I'm sorry. I didn't know you were the under bidder. Although the sig is not perfectly centered and the last letter is covered. It is clear and crisp. I saw the one Greg got a few months ago and figured this would go for similar money.
Is this the first cut sig card for "Greasy" Neale? what other cut sigs are in this product? >>
Frank,
There is also a Greasy Neale Canton Cuts that was in a Topps product a couple of years ago (not sure which one). I believe it was also a 1/1. Therefore, you have 1 of 3 Greasy Neale auto'd cards that I've seen.
Regards,
Greg M.
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<< <i>what other cut sigs are in this product? >>
Frank,
Here is the checklist. 2 others have been on ebay: Grange ($1600) and Rooney ($500)
2007 CUT-AR Art Rooney 1 Steelers
2007 CUT-BN Bronko Nagurski 1 Bears
2007 CUT-BP Brian Piccolo 1 Bears
2007 CUT-BW Bob Waterfield 1 Rams
2007 CUT-C' Clyde 'Bulldog' Turner 1
2007 CUT-DH Don Hutson 1 Packers
2007 CUT-DT Derrick Thomas 1 Chiefs
2007 CUT-DW Doak Walker 1 Lions
2007 CUT-E' Elroy 'Crazylegs' Hirsch 1 Rams
2007 CUT-GH George Halas 1 Bears
2007 CUT-H' Harold 'Red' Grange 1 Bears
2007 CUT-HC Howard Cosell 1 Broadcaster
2007 CUT-HM Harvey Martin 1 Cowboys
2007 CUT-JJ John Henry Johnson 1 Steelers
2007 CUT-JT Jim Thorpe 1
2007 CUT-JU Johnny Unitas 1 Colts
2007 CUT-NV Norm Van Brocklin 1 Rams
2007 CUT-OG Otto Graham 1 Browns
2007 CUT-PB Paul Brown 1 Browns
2007 CUT-PR Pete Rozelle 1
2007 CUT-RN Ray Nitschke 1 Packers
2007 CUT-RW Reggie White 1 Packers
2007 CUT-TL Tom Landry 1 Cowboys
2007 CUT-VL Vince Lombardi 1 Packers
2007 CUT-WE Weeb Ewbank 1 Jets
2007 CUT-WP Walter Payton 1 Bears
Heres a link if you would like to see some of the pics. I wonder why Greasy is not on the checklist.
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no problem. i should have just bid more thats all.
jay
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<< <i>Thanks Reese. I hould have checked the UD web site. The only other one that I can see wanting from the list is the Thorpe. That might be a little out of my realm at the moment though. >>
Thorpe would be impossible. I believe there is a collector who pays outrageous prices for every cut Thorpe autograph that has been produced. You're probably looking at $5k to $8.....
Greg M.
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Also, he has a 99 UD Century Legends Norm Van Brocklin 1/1. Does anyone have an idea of what this would sell for. I told him probably between $500-1000, but I am really unfamilair with this issue. What do you guys think?
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<< <i>I've been talking ebay seller that has 06 National Treasures Jim Thorpe #/3 auto. He wants to get between $6000-$7000., so its not impossible. I couldn't spend that much on a card though.
Also, he has a 99 UD Century Legends Norm Van Brocklin 1/1. Does anyone have an idea of what this would sell for. I told him probably between $500-1000, but I am really unfamilair with this issue. What do you guys think? >>
Reese,
I would LOVE the Thorpe....but $5k to $7k is well beyond my means. I think that you're in the general ballpark w/ the Van Brocklin. A Van Brocklin auto on a gum card is approx. $150 to $200 and a cut would be at least $500. I didn't know that cut autographs were issued in the 1999 Century Legends set.
Regards,
Greg M.
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I can't find the checklist for the UD Legends Century Cuts, but here is the scan of the Thorpe from the set. I know for sure that Nagurski and Van Brocklin are in the set and that they are all numbered 1/1.
Here are some of the other Thorpe cuts
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