I made a run at the Fritz Pollard tonight, dropped out at $1250. I wanted to use it to replace the signed program I have with him on it. Back to the drawing board....
<< <i>I made a run at the Fritz Pollard tonight, dropped out at $1250. I wanted to use it to replace the signed program I have with him on it. Back to the drawing board.... >>
I was watching it, but knew I couldn't even try to make a run right now, sadly. I probably would have dropped out around $1200 myself anyhow. He is still on my need list of course.
The Pollard letter I was referring to sold last year for around $350. I think someone bought it on this forum and cut it up for a custom card. I'm surprised Pollard sells for so much. He readily signed TTM up until his death in 1986.
Mike - I'm curious about the signed Gill photo you posted. The writing on it is not consistent with the examples I've seen of Charles Otis. Charles handwriting was very simple throughout his life, see the attached passport application from 1895 (which he signed three times). Plus, in every photo I've seen of CO he parted his hair on the left, not the right like in your photo. Did you find that in a reference book somewhere?
yes mark, I won the Pollard. can't remember price for sure, but I know it was under $400 with bp and shipping. very happy with it. the Pollard last night either is, or was, part of reeces collection. it's a nice piece. hope someone here got it
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Mike - I'm curious about the signed Gill photo you posted. The writing on it is not consistent with the examples I've seen of Charles Otis. Charles handwriting was very simple throughout his life, see the attached passport application from 1895 (which he signed three times). Plus, in every photo I've seen of CO he parted his hair on the left, not the right like in your photo. Did you find that in a reference book somewhere?
Mark >>
Maybe it's a different Charles Gill - it wouldn't be the first time - see the Joe Carr button - Joe Carr from Tennessee who was running for President of the Young Democrats as it turned out. The Gill photo is a wire photo - I've scanned the back side as well.
Mike - Those Carver photos are great. Charles Gill is a pretty common name. Maybe that is his son Charles F Gill?
Raider - That letter was beautiful with fantastic football references and unique letterhead. I personally would never make a cut from such a letter. Very few signed Pollard TLS exist in the hobby. I think the value in that piece was in the letter itself, especially with just a first name signature (which was a steal at under $400). But, at the end of the day, the only opinion that really matters is yours. You made a fantastic custom card which you love....no one can argue with that. Every collector has different passions and interests...which makes this hobby so enjoyable. I'm curious how many other collectors would cut up a letter for a custom card?
Speaking of Joe Carr (the NFL Hofer, not the Tennessee Democrat)....I'm sure there are a handful of people on this forum "chomping at the bit" for a certain auction next month. That letter is a beauty. Hope someone here picks it up....just please don't cut it up too.
<< <i>Raider - That letter was beautiful with fantastic football references and unique letterhead. I personally would never make a cut from such a letter. Very few signed Pollard TLS exist in the hobby. I think the value in that piece was in the letter itself, especially with just a first name signature (which was a steal at under $400). But, at the end of the day, the only opinion that really matters is yours. You made a fantastic custom card which you love....no one can argue with that. Every collector has different passions and interests...which makes this hobby so enjoyable. I'm curious how many other collectors would cut up a letter for a custom card?
Speaking of Joe Carr (the NFL Hofer, not the Tennessee Democrat)....I'm sure there are a handful of people on this forum "chomping at the bit" for a certain auction next month. That letter is a beauty. Hope someone here picks it up....just please don't cut it up too.
Cheers
Mark >>
I've still got the Fritz stationary as well. It was from his time in business. Had it been NFL letterhead I'd have left as is - but the Studio letterhead didn't hold any sentimental value to me. But I still have the letter in my collection as well.
I agree on the Carr letter - it's got a gorgeous signature on it. And no, not even I could bring myself to cut that one out
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The reults of the index card sized submission has popped for those who submitted items. My one item passed authentication which means I'll officially have this avaiable. I plan to put it on ebay probably Sunday - but if anyone would be interested in it let me know.
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<< <i>yes mark, I won the Pollard. can't remember price for sure, but I know it was under $400 with bp and shipping. very happy with it. the Pollard last night either is, or was, part of reeces collection. it's a nice piece. hope someone here got it >>
That was at one time my Pollard! I paid $1000 for it back when he was inducted. It wasn't a full index card. The person that originally had it said it was signed by someone else they cut it into 2 separate signatures. I was pretty selective on the autographs I used to make those custom cards. I took autographs that didn't necessarily present well for that project. I was happy how they all turned out. I was offered $1750 about 2 years for the Pollard and couldn't turn it down.
Here is what it looked like before turning it into the card. [/URL]
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<< <i>The reults of the index card sized submission has popped for those who submitted items. My one item passed authentication which means I'll officially have this avaiable. I plan to put it on ebay probably Sunday - but if anyone would be interested in it let me know. >>
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Has anyone here recently pick up a SAP of some Chicago Bears featuring Hewitt, Masterson, Buss, and Carlson that did NOT pass PSA? I would be indebted a response. Thanks!
Not me, but I do have a signed page of Hewitt, Ronzani, and one or two other Bears that did pass PSA/DNA if that helps. Sounds like an interesting piece you are describing. For a minute, I thought you were going to open up a discussion about the Hewitt signed checks...that might have been scary.
Puppe I saw that one listed, at first glance the Hewitt looked decent but the pieces didn't add up when I saw the Carlson. The Carlson was written very shakily as if he signed it at old age while the other three were done with fluidity, didnt make alot of sense to me how that would have worked.
Guys , Thanks for all the responses ! So, yes this is exactly the one I was referring to. I saw that the original buyer returned it as it didn't pass PSA and thought it might have been a member here. Actually I thought it was probably a member here ! I'm a little familiar with a few of the guys - and at first glance the Hewitt looked pretty good. When you line up Jims Jules Carlson exempler there are only a couple of the fundamental aspects of signatures that are consistant. Lets face it - over time everyones signature changes in nuance a little, but not certain fundamental aspects so that's disappointing. What I believed lent credence to the legitimicy was the 1.) The obvious distinction between the different signatures. Size, slant , height, pressure, curvature...and 2.) That while none of the differences would be impossible to duplicate it does seem like an extreme amount of trouble to go to when you are adding " lesser" players such as Reds Pollock or Jim McMillen. I say lesser because the primary area of interest would have been Grange, Halas, Bronko, and Hewitt. I picked up a few pages which is why I asked about Luke Johnsos. I have been messing around with loading pics so we'll see what you guys think. Honestly the "L" in Luke seems to go up and under in the loop leading to the "U" and that isn't consistant with the couple of exemplers, so theres that.. And also I would agree with GR's assessment of the seller. This isn't the type of item found in his inventory that I can see . And I know Rev. has an Ookie Miller to campare this to Chris Ugh ! quick edit : I'm having a rough time uploading pics due to re-sizing. I will post later tonight . Any tips?
<< <i>The reults of the index card sized submission has popped for those who submitted items. My one item passed authentication which means I'll officially have this avaiable. I plan to put it on ebay probably Sunday - but if anyone would be interested in it let me know.
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its just a shame that PSA won't let these cut auto's in the auto'd card set. my set is basically topped out except for each years new inductees. or the big if/when a company makes a cut auto card of the last few guys i am missing. i do think we need to lobby PSA to make those last few people hidden until a PSA or PSA/DNA card is slabbed.
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Thanks much appreciated! I might give it a try. I've been trying to upgrade my 55 Topps Auto set. I really want to send him a PSA 8 to sign, but not sure I want to take that risk!
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I have wondered about this actually. Not Johnny Lujack signing , but getting a graded card signed. Do you get the card graded (or buy it graded ) , crack it open and get it signed and then re-submit it ? On a red flip when PSA grades the card and authenticates it? I'm kinda curious - has anyone sent in an "8" or whatever and got it back graded differently? Just wondering. I have never busted open a graded card.
Well I tracked down the source of the Alex Weyand papers popping up at auction. Turns out the wife of a close friend of Weyand's was selling them. Unfortunately she threw out a bunch of stuff over the years. Not much was left, but I did pick up this Fritz Pollard letter. I'd be willing to sell it to someone here, if interested. Just message me. I also acquired the diary/journal of Alex Weyand before he attended West Point (around 1910). I'm actually giving that to his grandson.
<< <i>I have wondered about this actually. Not Johnny Lujack signing , but getting a graded card signed. Do you get the card graded (or buy it graded ) , crack it open and get it signed and then re-submit it ? On a red flip when PSA grades the card and authenticates it? I'm kinda curious - has anyone sent in an "8" or whatever and got it back graded differently? Just wondering. I have never busted open a graded card. >>
I actually have done it a number of times, especially when getting a card signed in person. I'm always worried about buying raw cards that are trimmed or altered. When you are investing a large amount for the autograph itself, to me it makes sense to play it safe. I've had luck when resubmitting. On most occasions, the come back within a point of the original grade. The only graded card that I cracked and sent through the mail was a 1970 Topps PSA 6 Gene Hickerson. It made it all the way to and from Gene. I submitted it and that thing came back a PSA 9 LOL!
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Yea, I have a REAL bad feeling about Jim. I hope I'm wrong, but I have feeling he may not have to long left.
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<< <i>Ouch. Someone just got ripped off big time. I hope it's not someone here (I wouldn't think so at least.)
That envelope with Marshall, Rooney, Halas & Lambeau went for $2375...and I had sent it in for a quick opinion and came back likely not genuine. >>
Just my opinion, but this is just one MORE, in a 100 mile long example, of PSA not knowing their A $$ from a hole-in-the-ground. One of the most well known, and respected autograph dealers there is, bid $1,899.00 on that item, His name...Les Wolfe. I actually had delusions of winning, but my top bid of 1,169.69 got crushed. That envelope was real.... I don't give a S... h...!.....T what PSA says.
Oh...by the way....on a Happy note....after PSA stole 280.00 to tell me that my 1953 team signed ball was stamped, this AFTER Rod looked at it under a microscope, and BEFORE Jim Spence, who DOES know what he is doing gave me a FULL LOA for it, I sold it today for a VERY nice profit at the Cleveland / Strongsville show.
WANTED:Football Hall of Fame Autograph's;Hugh Ray,Tim Mara,Charles Bidwell,Walt Kiesling,Bill Hewitt,Len Ford,Fritz Pollard,Curly Lambeau,Steve Owen & Joe Carr. FOR SALE : 100's of auto'd HoF 8x10's & dozen's of auto'd HoF cards.
<< <i>Ouch. Someone just got ripped off big time. I hope it's not someone here (I wouldn't think so at least.)
That envelope with Marshall, Rooney, Halas & Lambeau went for $2375...and I had sent it in for a quick opinion and came back likely not genuine. >>
Just my opinion, but this is just one MORE, in a 100 mile long example, of PSA not knowing their A $$ from a hole-in-the-ground. One of the most well known, and respected autograph dealers there is, bid $1,899.00 on that item, His name...Les Wolfe. I actually had delusions of winning, but my top bid of 1,169.69 got crushed. That envelope was real.... I don't give a S... h...!.....T what PSA says.
Oh...by the way....on a Happy note....after PSA stole 280.00 to tell me that my 1953 team signed ball was stamped, this AFTER Rod looked at it under a microscope, and BEFORE Jim Spence, who DOES know what he is doing gave me a FULL LOA for it, I sold it today for a VERY nice profit at the Cleveland / Strongsville show. >>
Very interesting. Well, I was very unsure about the Art Rooney myself, but again, quick opinion is no guarantee either way of course. I wouldn't have even been able to get in anywhere near that price, unfortunately. I still need Lambeau of course, but looks like I will have to keep waiting.
On a good note, I did snag this today at what I felt was a pretty good price.
Congrats on the Driscoll. I was looking for that card hoping it would hit Ebay. The way the Ebay search feature is now, it seems I can't find anything anymore. Was the card an Ebay purchase?
usually when stuff like this pops up I don't do a quick opinion until AFTER the auction is over. I've always wondered if whoever runs the quick opinion could tell people who submit items it's unlikely genuine to make bidders disgruntled and then swoop in and win it for themselves. That's why I usually wait to submit an opinion until it's said and done. Would be interesting if someone submitted it again what the result would be now that it's over....
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<< <i>usually when stuff like this pops up I don't do a quick opinion until AFTER the auction is over. I've always wondered if whoever runs the quick opinion could tell people who submit items it's unlikely genuine to make bidders disgruntled and then swoop in and win it for themselves. That's why I usually wait to submit an opinion until it's said and done. Would be interesting if someone submitted it again what the result would be now that it's over.... >>
You know...I've thought about that as well, Derrick. I think I am probably not going to submit things anymore because I think it quite possible. Not saying it is happening, but even just the thought does scare me. And with you thinking it as well, I am definitely going to have to stop doing it. Just compare to stuff we know is real and trust my gut.
And yeah, Frank. It did make it on ebay. It was on there for a couple days. I was watching the Stydahar and it went for a lot more than I thought it would. This started out at a very high asking price, dropped down last night and after a few back and forth offers, they gave me a price I could not say no to. I swore he had some SP Legendary Cut autographs, but looks like his 2009 Donruss Classics is his only other card autograph. I do have a nice index card signed by him, but don't think I could ever let that thing go being a full name sig.
Rocke: I am glad you had a good weekend at the show.
Now: Who won the Bill Hewitt check from Probstein??? Lol!!! I followed it all the way and today it went from 15 dlls up to 710. I was the fromt runner just for a couple of seconds for just above half of the selling price. So, who got it???
<< <i>Rocke: I am glad you had a good weekend at the show.
Now: Who won the Bill Hewitt check from Probstein??? Lol!!! I followed it all the way and today it went from 15 dlls up to 710. I was the fromt runner just for a couple of seconds for just above half of the selling price. So, who got it??? >>
Yes!!! I had to stop bidding after it was above 500. After all is just as the one I already have, but it would have been great to have another one for that price, LOL!!!
<< <i>]usually when stuff like this pops up I don't do a quick opinion until AFTER the auction is over. >>
You know, This has never occured to me! I always thought it was a JSA Quick Opinion and that it was just part of the business practice to respond genuinly to the QO to whoever requests & pays for it without bias. Now those old conspiracy theories and paranoia are in the back of my mind . lol! Thanks Derrick ! I was looking at that and thought it looked pretty good TBH. The story the seller had in the description was just random enough to be true and just vague enough for plausable deniability if returned. It was out of my price range pretty quick at any rate. I was also watching the Bert Bell / Bill Hewitt check . Also out of my price range , but I don't know if this was a steal or a deal? There has been a lot of remarks about Bill Hewitt and Bert Bell signed checks lately - Any thoughts on this? Actually, some very nice things on ebay lately ...and Frank you're right about that search option. It has seemed a little wonky to me as well. Congrats to some ! Nice Driscoll - that was a company released card? Wow. ps - Glad to see you had a good show Rocke - you should post pics of that Ball !
Haha. That conspiracy has been running in my mind for the last few items I submitted honestly. Especially since they just dismissed it and made no comment in reply to my comments I made. You think they could at last give some detail especially if you are asking particularly about certain autographs. Yeah...no comments so I figure I am just done and will see what I can find and deduce on my own. Saves me $10, but just means a bit more risk, but hopefully reward as well.
And there has been a lot of nice stuff on e-bay lately...and it's breaking me! lol. I am doing the Panini Class of 12 and 13 sets to continue from the previous two years. I have 5 of the 13 so far now, so 8 to go. I have the biggest one, which is Jack Butler. People are just going nuts on Cris Carter and Larry Allen ones right now. When Cris Carter is selling for as much as a deceased player, all I can do is scratch my head. Those ones I will just wait on, honestly. They will come down. I overpaid a bit on a couple and got great deals on others, so it's a give and take.
And yes, that Driscoll is finally an amazing cut from Panini. They look to have done better with the cuts in this year's NT. Still quite a few cut off like Art Donovan and Unitas, but the Stydahar and the Driscoll so far have been amazing. The McNally looked nice on the preview sheet. Not wild about the Thorpe. Pretty heavily cut off and on a weird piece of paper that really detracts from the auto. I'd rather have an index card or custom card made than this year's Thorpe autograph. I am very happy about the Driscoll though and can't wait to have it in hand. It looks VERY bold in the picture.
My first experience with psa I took ten items id gotten five of them in person. They took my $250, went back later they said sorry these arent real. The whole lot got turned down, I went back said I have pictures of the ravens ones being signed and me at camp (Didnt think id need them at the time) brought them the pictures the next day, they said it didnt matter and to stop buying bad stuff! ...are you serious thats the type of costumer service I got for my first submission because a ttm Drew Brees may not have been real ALL of it was fake, yet if i was a big dealer with sloppy scribbles giving them ten grand a month they would pass every thing proof or not, I once saw a sting autograph signed with a big S....how do you authenticate that??? The only time they get a dollar out of me is when Derrick runs his tremendous specials, but they really are greedy and clueless and I give Jimmy my money he makes mistakes but he isnt a jerk about it. Jsa is by far the way to go, just because psa became world famous grading a multi million dollar trimmed Honus Wagner they got wrong doesn't mean they are better suited to authenticate anything. If an art company were to grade and appraise the mona lisa after someone else painted additional brush strokes over it and called it mint condition as the very first thing they authenticate worth millions and get it wrong would you do buisness with them? NO so why do the same thing with PSA...who by the way thiere lead authenticator steve grad went on pawnstars and actually made fun of a collector who owned a Babe Ruth check, Thats the guy we give our money too for who knows why! Some guy with a light and a few examples on a computer screen who used to work for mastro passing fake autographs. When theres a monopoly it is never good
<< <i>My first experience with psa I took ten items id gotten five of them in person. They took my $250, went back later they said sorry these arent real. The whole lot got turned down, I went back said I have pictures of the ravens ones being signed and me at camp (Didnt think id need them at the time) brought them the pictures the next day, they said it didnt matter and to stop buying bad stuff! ...are you serious thats the type of costumer service I got for my first submission because a ttm Drew Brees may not have been real ALL of it was fake, yet if i was a big dealer with sloppy scribbles giving them ten grand a month they would pass every thing proof or not, I once saw a sting autograph signed with a big S....how do you authenticate that??? The only time they get a dollar out of me is when Derrick runs his tremendous specials, but they really are greedy and clueless and I give Jimmy my money he makes mistakes but he isnt a jerk about it. Jsa is by far the way to go, just because psa became world famous grading a multi million dollar trimmed Honus Wagner they got wrong doesn't mean they are better suited to authenticate anything. If an art company were to grade and appraise the mona lisa after someone else painted additional brush strokes over it and called it mint condition as the very first thing they authenticate worth millions and get it wrong would you do buisness with them? NO so why do the same thing with PSA...who by the way thiere lead authenticator steve grad went on pawnstars and actually made fun of a collector who owned a Babe Ruth check, Thats the guy we give our money too for who knows why! Some guy with a light and a few examples on a computer screen who used to work for mastro passing fake autographs. When theres a monopoly it is never good >>
Nathan, I agree with you 100%! I've been working Jimmy's son Jimmy III for several years and he has ALWAYS treated me fairly. He gives me good prices, and is easy to deal with. He ALWAYS answers my txt messages and is always thanking me for my business. I don't have to go through any customer service bs I go right to a decision maker. I had Henry Jordan Meal Card that was signed when he was in the service. I bought it from a Todd Mueller auction and sent it to Jimmy III. They had it for quite awhile butt they had several people look at it to make sure it was legit. I had a couple of 3x5's that were in Derrick's last submission that PSA turned down. They came from a VERY prominate seller in hi end baseball autographs who I'm not going to mention. I'm sure they are good. Mays and Aaron are chump change compared the autographs he deals with. I sent them to Mike Root at SGC because they had a $12 special for March to grade and encapsulate and I wanted to try them out. Like I said in the past, I think it depends on the experience of the person who is doing the authenication.
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<< <i>I made a run at the Fritz Pollard tonight, dropped out at $1250. I wanted to use it to replace the signed program I have with him on it. Back to the drawing board.... >>
I was watching it, but knew I couldn't even try to make a run right now, sadly. I probably would have dropped out around $1200 myself anyhow. He is still on my need list of course.
Mike - I'm curious about the signed Gill photo you posted. The writing on it is not consistent with the examples I've seen of Charles Otis. Charles handwriting was very simple throughout his life, see the attached passport application from 1895 (which he signed three times). Plus, in every photo I've seen of CO he parted his hair on the left, not the right like in your photo. Did you find that in a reference book somewhere?
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<< <i>
Mike - I'm curious about the signed Gill photo you posted. The writing on it is not consistent with the examples I've seen of Charles Otis. Charles handwriting was very simple throughout his life, see the attached passport application from 1895 (which he signed three times). Plus, in every photo I've seen of CO he parted his hair on the left, not the right like in your photo. Did you find that in a reference book somewhere?
Mark >>
Maybe it's a different Charles Gill - it wouldn't be the first time - see the Joe Carr button - Joe Carr from Tennessee who was running for President of the Young Democrats as it turned out. The Gill photo is a wire photo - I've scanned the back side as well.
Raider - That letter was beautiful with fantastic football references and unique letterhead. I personally would never make a cut from such a letter. Very few signed Pollard TLS exist in the hobby. I think the value in that piece was in the letter itself, especially with just a first name signature (which was a steal at under $400). But, at the end of the day, the only opinion that really matters is yours. You made a fantastic custom card which you love....no one can argue with that. Every collector has different passions and interests...which makes this hobby so enjoyable. I'm curious how many other collectors would cut up a letter for a custom card?
Speaking of Joe Carr (the NFL Hofer, not the Tennessee Democrat)....I'm sure there are a handful of people on this forum "chomping at the bit" for a certain auction next month. That letter is a beauty. Hope someone here picks it up....just please don't cut it up too.
Cheers
Mark
<< <i>Raider - That letter was beautiful with fantastic football references and unique letterhead. I personally would never make a cut from such a letter. Very few signed Pollard TLS exist in the hobby. I think the value in that piece was in the letter itself, especially with just a first name signature (which was a steal at under $400). But, at the end of the day, the only opinion that really matters is yours. You made a fantastic custom card which you love....no one can argue with that. Every collector has different passions and interests...which makes this hobby so enjoyable. I'm curious how many other collectors would cut up a letter for a custom card?
Speaking of Joe Carr (the NFL Hofer, not the Tennessee Democrat)....I'm sure there are a handful of people on this forum "chomping at the bit" for a certain auction next month. That letter is a beauty. Hope someone here picks it up....just please don't cut it up too.
Cheers
Mark >>
I've still got the Fritz stationary as well. It was from his time in business. Had it been NFL letterhead I'd have left as is - but the Studio letterhead didn't hold any sentimental value to me. But I still have the letter in my collection as well.
I agree on the Carr letter - it's got a gorgeous signature on it. And no, not even I could bring myself to cut that one out
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<< <i>yes mark, I won the Pollard. can't remember price for sure, but I know it was under $400 with bp and shipping. very happy with it. the Pollard last night either is, or was, part of reeces collection. it's a nice piece. hope someone here got it >>
That was at one time my Pollard! I paid $1000 for it back when he was inducted. It wasn't a full index card. The person that originally had it said it was signed by someone else they cut it into 2 separate signatures. I was pretty selective on the autographs I used to make those custom cards. I took autographs that didn't necessarily present well for that project. I was happy how they all turned out. I was offered $1750 about 2 years for the Pollard and couldn't turn it down.
Here is what it looked like before turning it into the card.
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Not me, but I do have a signed page of Hewitt, Ronzani, and one or two other Bears that did pass PSA/DNA if that helps
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Heres the link, its such a big mix of things this guy sells he probably got it at local auction type of place would be my guess
Thanks for all the responses !
So, yes this is exactly the one I was referring to. I saw that the original buyer returned it as it didn't pass PSA and thought it might have been a member here. Actually I thought it was probably a member here
I'm a little familiar with a few of the guys - and at first glance the Hewitt looked pretty good. When you line up Jims Jules Carlson exempler there are only a couple of the fundamental aspects of signatures that are consistant. Lets face it - over time everyones signature changes in nuance a little, but not certain fundamental aspects so that's disappointing.
What I believed lent credence to the legitimicy was the 1.) The obvious distinction between the different signatures. Size, slant , height, pressure, curvature...and 2.) That while none of the differences would be impossible to duplicate it does seem like an extreme amount of trouble to go to when you are adding " lesser" players such as Reds Pollock or Jim McMillen. I say lesser because the primary area of interest would have been Grange, Halas, Bronko, and Hewitt.
I picked up a few pages which is why I asked about Luke Johnsos. I have been messing around with loading pics so we'll see what you guys think. Honestly the "L" in Luke seems to go up and under in the loop leading to the "U" and that isn't consistant with the couple of exemplers, so theres that..
And also I would agree with GR's assessment of the seller. This isn't the type of item found in his inventory that I can see .
And I know Rev. has an Ookie Miller to campare this to
Chris
Ugh ! quick edit : I'm having a rough time uploading pics due to re-sizing. I will post later tonight . Any tips?
<< <i>The reults of the index card sized submission has popped for those who submitted items. My one item passed authentication which means I'll officially have this avaiable. I plan to put it on ebay probably Sunday - but if anyone would be interested in it let me know.
its just a shame that PSA won't let these cut auto's in the auto'd card set. my set is basically topped out except for each years new inductees. or the big if/when a company makes a cut auto card of the last few guys i am missing. i do think we need to lobby PSA to make those last few people hidden until a PSA or PSA/DNA card is slabbed.
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Someone reported a success on Thursday at this address. Took about a month:
3700 Harrison St Davenport, IA 52722
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<< <i>Reece,
Someone reported a success on Thursday at this address. Took about a month:
3700 Harrison St Davenport, IA 52722 >>
Thanks much appreciated! I might give it a try. I've been trying to upgrade my 55 Topps Auto set. I really want to send him a PSA 8 to sign, but not sure I want to take that risk!
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Not Johnny Lujack signing , but getting a graded card signed. Do you get the card graded (or buy it graded ) , crack it open and get it signed and then re-submit it ? On a red flip when PSA grades the card and authenticates it?
I'm kinda curious - has anyone sent in an "8" or whatever and got it back graded differently?
Just wondering. I have never busted open a graded card.
Well I tracked down the source of the Alex Weyand papers popping up at auction. Turns out the wife of a close friend of Weyand's was selling them. Unfortunately she threw out a bunch of stuff over the years. Not much was left, but I did pick up this Fritz Pollard letter. I'd be willing to sell it to someone here, if interested. Just message me. I also acquired the diary/journal of Alex Weyand before he attended West Point (around 1910). I'm actually giving that to his grandson.
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<< <i>I have wondered about this actually.
Not Johnny Lujack signing , but getting a graded card signed. Do you get the card graded (or buy it graded ) , crack it open and get it signed and then re-submit it ? On a red flip when PSA grades the card and authenticates it?
I'm kinda curious - has anyone sent in an "8" or whatever and got it back graded differently?
Just wondering. I have never busted open a graded card. >>
I actually have done it a number of times, especially when getting a card signed in person. I'm always worried about buying raw cards that are trimmed or altered. When you are investing a large amount for the autograph itself, to me it makes sense to play it safe. I've had luck when resubmitting. On most occasions, the come back within a point of the original grade. The only graded card that I cracked and sent through the mail was a 1970 Topps PSA 6 Gene Hickerson. It made it all the way to and from Gene. I submitted it and that thing came back a PSA 9 LOL!
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That envelope with Marshall, Rooney, Halas & Lambeau went for $2375...and I had sent it in for a quick opinion and came back likely not genuine.
<< <i>Ouch. Someone just got ripped off big time. I hope it's not someone here (I wouldn't think so at least.)
That envelope with Marshall, Rooney, Halas & Lambeau went for $2375...and I had sent it in for a quick opinion and came back likely not genuine. >>
Just my opinion, but this is just one MORE, in a 100 mile long example, of PSA not knowing their A $$ from a hole-in-the-ground. One of the most well known, and respected autograph dealers there is, bid $1,899.00 on that item, His name...Les Wolfe. I actually had delusions of winning, but my top bid of 1,169.69 got crushed. That envelope was real.... I don't give a S... h...!.....T what PSA says.
Oh...by the way....on a Happy note....after PSA stole 280.00 to tell me that my 1953 team signed ball was stamped, this AFTER Rod looked at it under a microscope, and BEFORE Jim Spence, who DOES know what he is doing gave me a FULL LOA for it, I sold it today for a VERY nice profit at the Cleveland / Strongsville show.
<< <i>
<< <i>Ouch. Someone just got ripped off big time. I hope it's not someone here (I wouldn't think so at least.)
That envelope with Marshall, Rooney, Halas & Lambeau went for $2375...and I had sent it in for a quick opinion and came back likely not genuine. >>
Just my opinion, but this is just one MORE, in a 100 mile long example, of PSA not knowing their A $$ from a hole-in-the-ground. One of the most well known, and respected autograph dealers there is, bid $1,899.00 on that item, His name...Les Wolfe. I actually had delusions of winning, but my top bid of 1,169.69 got crushed. That envelope was real.... I don't give a S... h...!.....T what PSA says.
Oh...by the way....on a Happy note....after PSA stole 280.00 to tell me that my 1953 team signed ball was stamped, this AFTER Rod looked at it under a microscope, and BEFORE Jim Spence, who DOES know what he is doing gave me a FULL LOA for it, I sold it today for a VERY nice profit at the Cleveland / Strongsville show. >>
Very interesting. Well, I was very unsure about the Art Rooney myself, but again, quick opinion is no guarantee either way of course. I wouldn't have even been able to get in anywhere near that price, unfortunately. I still need Lambeau of course, but looks like I will have to keep waiting.
On a good note, I did snag this today at what I felt was a pretty good price.
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<< <i>usually when stuff like this pops up I don't do a quick opinion until AFTER the auction is over. I've always wondered if whoever runs the quick opinion could tell people who submit items it's unlikely genuine to make bidders disgruntled and then swoop in and win it for themselves. That's why I usually wait to submit an opinion until it's said and done. Would be interesting if someone submitted it again what the result would be now that it's over.... >>
You know...I've thought about that as well, Derrick. I think I am probably not going to submit things anymore because I think it quite possible. Not saying it is happening, but even just the thought does scare me. And with you thinking it as well, I am definitely going to have to stop doing it. Just compare to stuff we know is real and trust my gut.
And yeah, Frank. It did make it on ebay. It was on there for a couple days. I was watching the Stydahar and it went for a lot more than I thought it would. This started out at a very high asking price, dropped down last night and after a few back and forth offers, they gave me a price I could not say no to. I swore he had some SP Legendary Cut autographs, but looks like his 2009 Donruss Classics is his only other card autograph. I do have a nice index card signed by him, but don't think I could ever let that thing go being a full name sig.
I am glad you had a good weekend at the show.
Now:
Who won the Bill Hewitt check from Probstein???
Lol!!!
I followed it all the way and today it went from 15 dlls up to 710.
I was the fromt runner just for a couple of seconds for just above half of the selling price.
So, who got it???
<< <i>Rocke:
I am glad you had a good weekend at the show.
Now:
Who won the Bill Hewitt check from Probstein???
Lol!!!
I followed it all the way and today it went from 15 dlls up to 710.
I was the fromt runner just for a couple of seconds for just above half of the selling price.
So, who got it??? >>
Not me, but heck of a price on that!
I had to stop bidding after it was above 500.
After all is just as the one I already have, but it would have been great to have another one for that price, LOL!!!
It was just 350 2 minutes before ending, LOL!!!
<< <i>]usually when stuff like this pops up I don't do a quick opinion until AFTER the auction is over. >>
You know, This has never occured to me! I always thought it was a JSA Quick Opinion and that it was just part of the business practice to respond genuinly to the QO to whoever requests & pays for it without bias. Now those old conspiracy theories and paranoia are in the back of my mind . lol! Thanks Derrick !
I was looking at that and thought it looked pretty good TBH. The story the seller had in the description was just random enough to be true and just vague enough for plausable deniability if returned. It was out of my price range pretty quick at any rate.
I was also watching the Bert Bell / Bill Hewitt check . Also out of my price range , but I don't know if this was a steal or a deal?
There has been a lot of remarks about Bill Hewitt and Bert Bell signed checks lately - Any thoughts on this?
Actually, some very nice things on ebay lately ...and Frank you're right about that search option. It has seemed a little wonky to me as well.
Congrats to some !
Nice Driscoll - that was a company released card? Wow.
ps - Glad to see you had a good show Rocke - you should post pics of that Ball !
And there has been a lot of nice stuff on e-bay lately...and it's breaking me! lol. I am doing the Panini Class of 12 and 13 sets to continue from the previous two years. I have 5 of the 13 so far now, so 8 to go. I have the biggest one, which is Jack Butler. People are just going nuts on Cris Carter and Larry Allen ones right now. When Cris Carter is selling for as much as a deceased player, all I can do is scratch my head. Those ones I will just wait on, honestly. They will come down. I overpaid a bit on a couple and got great deals on others, so it's a give and take.
And yes, that Driscoll is finally an amazing cut from Panini. They look to have done better with the cuts in this year's NT. Still quite a few cut off like Art Donovan and Unitas, but the Stydahar and the Driscoll so far have been amazing. The McNally looked nice on the preview sheet. Not wild about the Thorpe. Pretty heavily cut off and on a weird piece of paper that really detracts from the auto. I'd rather have an index card or custom card made than this year's Thorpe autograph. I am very happy about the Driscoll though and can't wait to have it in hand. It looks VERY bold in the picture.
<< <i>My first experience with psa I took ten items id gotten five of them in person. They took my $250, went back later they said sorry these arent real. The whole lot got turned down, I went back said I have pictures of the ravens ones being signed and me at camp (Didnt think id need them at the time) brought them the pictures the next day, they said it didnt matter and to stop buying bad stuff! ...are you serious thats the type of costumer service I got for my first submission because a ttm Drew Brees may not have been real ALL of it was fake, yet if i was a big dealer with sloppy scribbles giving them ten grand a month they would pass every thing proof or not, I once saw a sting autograph signed with a big S....how do you authenticate that??? The only time they get a dollar out of me is when Derrick runs his tremendous specials, but they really are greedy and clueless and I give Jimmy my money he makes mistakes but he isnt a jerk about it. Jsa is by far the way to go, just because psa became world famous grading a multi million dollar trimmed Honus Wagner they got wrong doesn't mean they are better suited to authenticate anything. If an art company were to grade and appraise the mona lisa after someone else painted additional brush strokes over it and called it mint condition as the very first thing they authenticate worth millions and get it wrong would you do buisness with them? NO so why do the same thing with PSA...who by the way thiere lead authenticator steve grad went on pawnstars and actually made fun of a collector who owned a Babe Ruth check, Thats the guy we give our money too for who knows why! Some guy with a light and a few examples on a computer screen who used to work for mastro passing fake autographs. When theres a monopoly it is never good >>
Nathan, I agree with you 100%! I've been working Jimmy's son Jimmy III for several years and he has ALWAYS treated me fairly. He gives me good prices, and is easy to deal with. He ALWAYS answers my txt messages and is always thanking me for my business. I don't have to go through any customer service bs I go right to a decision maker. I had Henry Jordan Meal Card that was signed when he was in the service. I bought it from a Todd Mueller auction and sent it to Jimmy III. They had it for quite awhile butt they had several people look at it to make sure it was legit. I had a couple of 3x5's that were in Derrick's last submission that PSA turned down. They came from a VERY prominate seller in hi end baseball autographs who I'm not going to mention. I'm sure they are good. Mays and Aaron are chump change compared the autographs he deals with. I sent them to Mike Root at SGC because they had a $12 special for March to grade and encapsulate and I wanted to try them out. Like I said in the past, I think it depends on the experience of the person who is doing the authenication.