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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    Horford
    first 8 seasons - 21 made threes
    his next 10 seasons - 874 made threes

    Lopez
    first 8 seasons - 3 made threes
    his next 9 seasons - 968 made threes

    this is unreal

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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and btw, just because i kvetch about a team blowing a seemingly insurmountable lead doesn't necessarily mean i have skin in the game. more often than not i don't. like the other night i just so happened to catch Golden St against Brooklyn and the Warriors flat-out gagged that game to the vastly inferior Nets. they were up almost 20 in the 3rd at home and i blinked and that lead was gone. i was like, i can't believe that pop tarts just happened again lol

    i needed to post about it as part of my therapy

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A definite change in coaching philosophy. Used to be a cardinal error if a shot was put up and the big guys weren’t camped under the basket for a rebound. Danny Manning used to jack a three up from time to time at KU and then later Raef Lafrentz. It was basically considered a bad shot especially if they missed because they’re supposed to be the rebounders. Of course back then if you were 6’7” or taller it was assumed you couldn’t shoot worth a crap from long range. Gradual change and now everyone throws threes as long as they have a ‘good look’ at the basket and it doesn’t matter who is underneath for a rebound.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    Horford
    first 8 seasons - 21 made threes
    his next 10 seasons - 874 made threes

    Lopez
    first 8 seasons - 3 made threes
    his next 9 seasons - 968 made threes

    this is unreal

    While most of your typical slow lumbering big's from previous eras would have seen the game pass them by, those two deserve credit for completely changing their game to fit this current era of three point shooting.

    I just added up their total earnings since becoming lethal 3pt shooters and its paid off for them tremendously. You could also say its prolonged their careers.
    Horford's last 10 seasons - roughly 254M in career earnings
    Lopez last 9 - 146M

    At ages 38 & 36 they're both still impactful players.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    and btw, just because i kvetch about a team blowing a seemingly insurmountable lead doesn't necessarily mean i have skin in the game. more often than not i don't. like the other night i just so happened to catch Golden St against Brooklyn and the Warriors flat-out gagged that game to the vastly inferior Nets. they were up almost 20 in the 3rd at home and i blinked and that lead was gone. i was like, i can't believe that pop tarts just happened again lol

    i needed to post about it as part of my therapy

    I know nothing about placing sound bets on NBA games but with the volatility of three point shooting affecting the scores like it does, I'm just guessing that betting on these games wouldn't be fruitful like it may have been 20-30-40 years ago.

    One thing that I noticed about GS last night is when Curry (load manage night) & Buddy Hield (foul trouble) were not on the court last night the Dubs offense did not look good at all, especially in that 4th quarter. Outside of their game vs Boston and about 3-4 early season GS games, i haven't spent much time watching the 2024 Warriors play so don't know if that has been a long term issue throughout this season. OKC is also arguably the best defense in basketball so that could have been it too.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    A definite change in coaching philosophy. Used to be a cardinal error if a shot was put up and the big guys weren’t camped under the basket for a rebound. Danny Manning used to jack a three up from time to time at KU and then later Raef Lafrentz. It was basically considered a bad shot especially if they missed because they’re supposed to be the rebounders. Of course back then if you were 6’7” or taller it was assumed you couldn’t shoot worth a crap from long range. Gradual change and now everyone throws threes as long as they have a ‘good look’ at the basket and it doesn’t matter who is underneath for a rebound.

    Like in other sports, Analytics has changed how NBA offenses are currently played. in previous eras your offense would use most if not all of the 24 second shot clock finding one good FG attempt that would land you two, maybe three, points on any given possession.
    Now, teams may breakdown that same 24 seconds into 3-4 possessions where they quickly set-up the first possession by shooting a three 6-8 seconds into the 24 depending on how fast they got the ball up the court. That same 24 seconds added up might net your team anywhere from 6 to 12pts. The 2023 & 2024 Celtics are notorious for this but like I mentioned last night they're loaded with a ton of above average 3pt shooters so most nights they're pretty efficient when playing that way.

    Raef LaFrentz spent a few years up here in Boston with his former KU teammate Paul Pierce. The team really wasn't that good at the time but I do remember buying LaFrentz rookies for cheap on ebay.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Today’s NBA games with volume three point shooting and faster pace means a 30 point lead does not equate to a win.

    It seems the games today are comical and similar to video games programmed for the highest speed and scores.

    Some persons may like this type of game. I do not care for it.

    I have heard talk about changing the rules. Adding a four point shot is a no go for me.

    Proposed changes that I am intrigued by are giving three points for a contested dunk; and to minimize constant fouling in the last two minutes of a game award free throws to the team that was fouled and give that team possession of the ball.

    I also like the idea of modifying current rules that favor the offense. Allow for more effective defense.

    I would also like to see referees actually make traveling calls.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    I didn't realize that the Hawks & Cavs play tonight and on Friday with the Friday game counting towards the IST not tonight's game which Atlanta just won. My scenarios above are still in play on Friday which works out great for both the C's & Cavs, had tonight counted Atlanta would have owned the tie breakers over both teams.

    Crazy how Atlanta has beaten both teams. The Friday Cavs game is at 2:30

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I didn't realize that the Hawks & Cavs play tonight and on Friday with the Friday game counting towards the IST not tonight's game which Atlanta just won. My scenarios above are still in play on Friday which works out great for both the C's & Cavs, had tonight counted Atlanta would have owned the tie breakers over both teams.

    Crazy how Atlanta has beaten both teams. The Friday Cavs game is at 2:30

    The Cavs at least had the benefit of losing to a fully manned Hawks team with Trae finishing with a monster game of 20pts & 22 assists. When Atlanta beat Boston they didn't have Trae, DeAndre Hunter or Bogdan Bogdanovic, that was one of the handful of games each season where the Celtics completely underestimate their undermanned opponent.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any relation to legalized gambling and the proliferation of these 3 point attempts? Fans love to see offense, at least in football,baseball. I remember when the NFL changed the rules to favor more offense.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a horrible game from Mitchell this afternoon.......5 of 23 from the field and 12 points.! Think the Cavs will be ready for Boston on Sunday?

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I tuned in when the Hawks were up 91-71 and they held on for the win. Atlanta has a 9-11 record but they've been racking up some quality wins against some good teams, they've beat the Celtics, Knicks then the Cavs twice.

    Looking forward to that BOS/CLE matchup on Sunday, luckily it doesn't coincide with the Pats game like it has a couple times in recent weeks. The Cavs should be amped up after losing b2b games to the Hawks.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s crazy how good this guy is, Denver’s ownership and front office should be going all out to maximize his prime years.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks like the Cavs & Celts played a good one today

    anyone watch it?

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    looks like the Cavs & Celts played a good one today

    anyone watch it?

    I saw about the last 10 minutes. Donavan Mitchell was great in the second half. Cavs kept hitting all their free throws at the end when Boston was intentionally fouling them.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    looks like the Cavs & Celts played a good one today

    anyone watch it?

    I saw about the last 10 minutes. Donavan Mitchell was great in the second half. Cavs kept hitting all their free throws at the end when Boston was intentionally fouling them.

    Sorry should say third and fourth quarter when talking nba

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That ending took forever and goes back to that conversation the other night about how volatile scoring is these days.
    The Cavs score a basket making it a 105-101 Cavs lead with 34 seconds in the game. Over the next 34 seconds the game turned into a foul fest that saw the them combine for a total of 20pts in that final :34. One made three and then 17/18 free throws with the one miss intentional. Hats off to the Cavs for pulling out that win.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you guys remember BJ Armstrong? as a Bulls fan back then, i always liked him. really intelligent guy on and off the court.

    anywho, i caught an interview with him the other night. he said the NBA is in a very dangerous place with the proliferation of the 3-pt shot destroying the aesthetics of the game. basically what i've been saying, except he said it better.

    i even took it a step further and asked my dad what he thought about today's NBA. i wanted some old school perspective. his reply: "unwatchable. if you want to see how the game is supposed to be played, go find clips of the 50s & 60s Celtics."

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Today’s NBA games is the result of a trend that over the years has seen more and more three point shooting by all five players on the floor.

    The three point threat posed by teams with all five players on the floor being good three point shooters has resulted in both really good basketball being played and really bad basketball being played.

    The really good play includes constant motion by all five players, quickly passing the ball from player to player around the floor and the resulting shooting of high percentage shots from everywhere on the floor. This type of play is very appealing and demonstrates a choreographed ballet like performance. Beautiful to watch.

    The really bad play includes ISO ball where one player keeps the ball for most of a 24 second possession, with minimal movement by other players who do not have the ball. Low percentage shots are taken, at times as the shot clock is running out. Ugly to watch.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII

    that's precisely what my dad was alluding to when he mentioned those juggernaut Boston teams. he said the ball movement was like art. it's the stand-around ISO ball of today's NBA that he can't stomach. and i'm sure if he watched enough he'd probably also have an issue with 150 threes being jacked up in every game.

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭✭

    GSW has turned from being STUDS to DUDS.

    5 game losing streak involving multiple games where GSW had double digit leads in the third and fourth quarters; and they fell apart with turnovers, terrible shooting and horrible defense.

    Go figure.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i caught a reel that someone posted on FB today. the title of it was, "what it's like to watch an NBA game in 2024."

    in this particular clip the Lakers were playing the Suns. for 2 minutes solid each team took nothing but 3-pt shots........and not a single one was made. so it was back and forth, little to no passing, someone wildly launching from downtown, missing, and the other team did the same. 2 minutes of that, no joke. at one point i literally started laughing out loud. if Adam Silver had seen it he probably would have passed out.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did I read the schedule wrong or is Boston getting 4 days off till their next game? What's up with that?

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2024 2:14PM

    @Steven59 said:
    Did I read the schedule wrong or is Boston getting 4 days off till their next game? What's up with that?

    I'm guessing because they just played 6 games in 9 nights. I honestly can't say if that is normal for most teams or not (or how often a specific team may have a similarly scheduled stretch) but I do know that it affected whether or not the coaching staff felt the need to load manage players during that timeframe (which they did.) Boston also had two sets of B2B's nights during that 6 games in 9 day stretch as well that may have played a part in getting four days off.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    I'm guessing because they just played 6 games in 9 nights. I honestly can't say if that is normal for most teams or not (or how often a specific team may have a similarly scheduled stretch) but I do know that it affected whether or not the coaching staff felt the need to load manage players during that timeframe (which they did.) Boston also had two sets of B2B's nights during that 6 games in 9 day stretch as well that may have played a part in getting four days off.

    It just struck me as strange scheduling. I never noticed a team having 4 days off between games before. I don't know if that is good or bad for them.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2024 5:48PM

    @Steven59 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I'm guessing because they just played 6 games in 9 nights. I honestly can't say if that is normal for most teams or not (or how often a specific team may have a similarly scheduled stretch) but I do know that it affected whether or not the coaching staff felt the need to load manage players during that timeframe (which they did.) Boston also had two sets of B2B's nights during that 6 games in 9 day stretch as well that may have played a part in getting four days off.

    It just struck me as strange scheduling. I never noticed a team having 4 days off between games before. I don't know if that is good or bad for them.

    I'd say its good just for the sake of their two centers getting an extra day or two to rest more than normal. Horford is 38 and Tingus Pingus just came back from a long rehab from his Finals injury.

    Detroit & Washington are their next two opponents, not exactly world-beaters here so any rust shouldn't affect them to much.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I'm guessing because they just played 6 games in 9 nights. I honestly can't say if that is normal for most teams or not (or how often a specific team may have a similarly scheduled stretch) but I do know that it affected whether or not the coaching staff felt the need to load manage players during that timeframe (which they did.) Boston also had two sets of B2B's nights during that 6 games in 9 day stretch as well that may have played a part in getting four days off.

    It just struck me as strange scheduling. I never noticed a team having 4 days off between games before. I don't know if that is good or bad for them.

    Probably from all those 3 point shot attempts.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I'm guessing because they just played 6 games in 9 nights. I honestly can't say if that is normal for most teams or not (or how often a specific team may have a similarly scheduled stretch) but I do know that it affected whether or not the coaching staff felt the need to load manage players during that timeframe (which they did.) Boston also had two sets of B2B's nights during that 6 games in 9 day stretch as well that may have played a part in getting four days off.

    It just struck me as strange scheduling. I never noticed a team having 4 days off between games before. I don't know if that is good or bad for them.

    I just noticed that the Cavs currently have 4 days off in between their last & next game too. This must happen more frequently than we expect.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll be darn, maybe just never noticed it before.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Probably from all those 3 point shot attempts.

    Well it has turned into a "Live by the 3 - Die by the 3" league.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    I'll be darn, maybe just never noticed it before.

    Me neither unless it gets mentioned during a game. Cleveland just finished off a 5 games in 7 days / 6g in 10d stretch too so the league must be giving teams a small break like this in these type of instances.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Such a low crowd response for either team in the NBA Cup semi final tonight. Comes with a neutral site location. Strange not to hear the roar of a home team crowd. Reminds me of covid era games.

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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2024 11:41AM

    i don't mean to pile on the NBA, but i'm calling a spade a spade because that's what i do. i'm not a hater; i like the sport and i go to multiple games every season. hell i even collect Wemby cards. but my interest is waning so much that i no longer feel compelled to go to a game, i don't feel compelled to watch one on tv, and i've gotten to the point where i don't even check the box score to see how Wembanyama did the night before. and that's crazy.

    i went through this before with baseball. i was a huge fan of that sport back in the 80s & 90s, then when the strike hit and blatant cheating turned rampant, they lost me........for good. basketball is on the verge of doing the same thing, for myriad reasons. and i don't think i'm alone.

    i found the infamous 2-min clip i referenced up above. i wasn't entirely accurate -- there was actually one shot in the paint. it's worth watching, and the article it's sandwiched between is worth reading as well. the NBA is not trending in the right direction and i hope it finds a fix.......and quick.

    https://www.outkick.com/sports/ratings-new-nba-tournament-failure

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  • bgrbgr Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw something about a record for more 3s made in last Mavs vs. Warriors game and figured galaxy would be on it. I am seeing more and more people lament the current state of the NBA related to 3s. And I thought that the worst thing was the euro-step.

    With regard to the in-season tourney... Does anyone care?

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    I saw something about a record for more 3s made in last Mavs vs. Warriors game and figured galaxy would be on it. I am seeing more and more people lament the current state of the NBA related to 3s. And I thought that the worst thing was the euro-step.

    With regard to the in-season tourney... Does anyone care?

    i've cared so little about the in-season tournament that i never once took the time to read up on it. as of this very moment i still don't know how it works exactly. are the tourney games separate from a team's regularly scheduled 82? when a team is knocked out do they continue on with their season while the tourney is going on? i seriously don't know the answer to these questions and others, but truthfully i couldn't care less what they are. to me it's a gimmicky move that reeks of desperation. if there is anyone out there who genuinely cares about it, i'd love to shake their hand. talk about an ardent fan.

    as for the record set last night, i wasn't aware of it. but i'm not the least bit surprised. seriously, go watch the clip between the Lakers and Suns and try not to turn to stone.........NBA games are a launchfest. that record probably won't last a week.

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mavs v. GSW last night resulted in a 143-133 win for Dallas. Luka had a triple double which included 45 points.

    Dallas made 21 three point shots and GSW made 27 three point shots (for a total of 48 made 3s for the game; or 144 (52.17%) out of the 276 points scored in the game).

    I watched about 5 minutes of the game. It was a barn burner with Dallas going on a 1st quarter rampage to lead 46-33. Dallas shot 59.8% from the field and 51.2% from three for the game. GSW shot 47.6 from the field and 50.0% from three for the game. GSW had no one who could stop Luka. Klay Thompson had a season high 29 points and Kyrie Irving had 21 points. Luke, Klay and Kyrie combined for 95 points. GSW had Wiggins with 29 points, Kuminga with 20 points, Curry with 26 points and Green with 21 points for a total of 96 points. In the second half GSW rallied to cut the Dallas lead to three points, but Dallas pulled away for the win.

    The game was a track meet. After watching for a few minutes I quickly lost interest and diverted my attention to things other than TV. Thus year my early season NBA viewing has dropped off a cliff. I usually get interested in late March and April as the regular season winds down. I do watch the playoffs.

    The in season tournament games hold not interest for me. The annoying part of these tournament games is the garish designs and colors of the hardwood floors on which the games are played. Visually aggravating.

    I understand that NBA viewership has dropped by about 40% from 10 years ago (for multiple reasons). Advertisers must not be happy.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't view the NBA much until NFL wraps up. Just view it as a filler, if not much else is on. Playoffs more interest. Finals always.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said: Mavs v. GSW last night resulted in a 143-133 win for Dallas.

    I noticed last night that the Warriors lost by a staggering 51 points and it isn't even the largest deficit in the NBS this year!! B)

  • countdouglascountdouglas Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe the NBA point spreads and moneylines were pretty lopsided Thursday night, suggesting easy wins by the favorites. So of course a vast majority of the underdogs won outright. Lol

    I didn't cash a single winning parlay, including one that had the -1100 Celtics and -385 Nuggets, who both lost.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is the season still going on? I thought the Bucks won. Now I'm confused.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2024 9:18AM

    last night Steph Curry missed every shot he took from the field and scored two points

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What the..............21-5 Boston loses at home to 12-15 Chicago? Boston gets outscored in the 4th, 22 to 35!!!!!

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    What the..............21-5 Boston loses at home to 12-15 Chicago? Boston gets outscored in the 4th, 22 to 35!!!!!

    It happens. The entire team looked completely out of synch and having all of that time off likely played a huge part in that. They came back and destroyed them in Chicago two nights later.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like what could be a tough road schedule coming up for the Cavs - Nuggets, Warriors, Lakers, Mavs.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    76's at Celtics today - Boston looking to bounce back from a loss.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2024 12:44PM

    Luca Luka off to the locker room with a leg injury. Will not return.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    76's at Celtics today - Boston looking to bounce back from a loss.

    For some reason I thought this game was a 7pm start and just missed the first half. 😡

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like Philly has finally run out of "gas"! :D

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, Boston loses 2nd straight - that was unexpected.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2024 4:39PM

    Not really when their defense just leaves guys wide open consistently. Martin must have hit at least 4-5 threes with no one within 5 feet and that Maxey layup with 1.1 on the shot clock said it all. They need to start playing better defense.

    They've got B2B games with Indy coming to Boston this weekend and the Pacers have already beat them in their first meeting.

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