and btw, just because i kvetch about a team blowing a seemingly insurmountable lead doesn't necessarily mean i have skin in the game. more often than not i don't. like the other night i just so happened to catch Golden St against Brooklyn and the Warriors flat-out gagged that game to the vastly inferior Nets. they were up almost 20 in the 3rd at home and i blinked and that lead was gone. i was like, i can't believe that pop tarts just happened again lol
A definite change in coaching philosophy. Used to be a cardinal error if a shot was put up and the big guys weren’t camped under the basket for a rebound. Danny Manning used to jack a three up from time to time at KU and then later Raef Lafrentz. It was basically considered a bad shot especially if they missed because they’re supposed to be the rebounders. Of course back then if you were 6’7” or taller it was assumed you couldn’t shoot worth a crap from long range. Gradual change and now everyone throws threes as long as they have a ‘good look’ at the basket and it doesn’t matter who is underneath for a rebound.
Horford
first 8 seasons - 21 made threes
his next 10 seasons - 874 made threes
Lopez
first 8 seasons - 3 made threes
his next 9 seasons - 968 made threes
this is unreal
While most of your typical slow lumbering big's from previous eras would have seen the game pass them by, those two deserve credit for completely changing their game to fit this current era of three point shooting.
I just added up their total earnings since becoming lethal 3pt shooters and its paid off for them tremendously. You could also say its prolonged their careers.
Horford's last 10 seasons - roughly 254M in career earnings
Lopez last 9 - 146M
At ages 38 & 36 they're both still impactful players.
@galaxy27 said:
and btw, just because i kvetch about a team blowing a seemingly insurmountable lead doesn't necessarily mean i have skin in the game. more often than not i don't. like the other night i just so happened to catch Golden St against Brooklyn and the Warriors flat-out gagged that game to the vastly inferior Nets. they were up almost 20 in the 3rd at home and i blinked and that lead was gone. i was like, i can't believe that pop tarts just happened again lol
i needed to post about it as part of my therapy
I know nothing about placing sound bets on NBA games but with the volatility of three point shooting affecting the scores like it does, I'm just guessing that betting on these games wouldn't be fruitful like it may have been 20-30-40 years ago.
One thing that I noticed about GS last night is when Curry (load manage night) & Buddy Hield (foul trouble) were not on the court last night the Dubs offense did not look good at all, especially in that 4th quarter. Outside of their game vs Boston and about 3-4 early season GS games, i haven't spent much time watching the 2024 Warriors play so don't know if that has been a long term issue throughout this season. OKC is also arguably the best defense in basketball so that could have been it too.
@Darin said:
A definite change in coaching philosophy. Used to be a cardinal error if a shot was put up and the big guys weren’t camped under the basket for a rebound. Danny Manning used to jack a three up from time to time at KU and then later Raef Lafrentz. It was basically considered a bad shot especially if they missed because they’re supposed to be the rebounders. Of course back then if you were 6’7” or taller it was assumed you couldn’t shoot worth a crap from long range. Gradual change and now everyone throws threes as long as they have a ‘good look’ at the basket and it doesn’t matter who is underneath for a rebound.
Like in other sports, Analytics has changed how NBA offenses are currently played. in previous eras your offense would use most if not all of the 24 second shot clock finding one good FG attempt that would land you two, maybe three, points on any given possession.
Now, teams may breakdown that same 24 seconds into 3-4 possessions where they quickly set-up the first possession by shooting a three 6-8 seconds into the 24 depending on how fast they got the ball up the court. That same 24 seconds added up might net your team anywhere from 6 to 12pts. The 2023 & 2024 Celtics are notorious for this but like I mentioned last night they're loaded with a ton of above average 3pt shooters so most nights they're pretty efficient when playing that way.
Raef LaFrentz spent a few years up here in Boston with his former KU teammate Paul Pierce. The team really wasn't that good at the time but I do remember buying LaFrentz rookies for cheap on ebay.
Today’s NBA games with volume three point shooting and faster pace means a 30 point lead does not equate to a win.
It seems the games today are comical and similar to video games programmed for the highest speed and scores.
Some persons may like this type of game. I do not care for it.
I have heard talk about changing the rules. Adding a four point shot is a no go for me.
Proposed changes that I am intrigued by are giving three points for a contested dunk; and to minimize constant fouling in the last two minutes of a game award free throws to the team that was fouled and give that team possession of the ball.
I also like the idea of modifying current rules that favor the offense. Allow for more effective defense.
I would also like to see referees actually make traveling calls.
@erikthredd said:
I didn't realize that the Hawks & Cavs play tonight and on Friday with the Friday game counting towards the IST not tonight's game which Atlanta just won. My scenarios above are still in play on Friday which works out great for both the C's & Cavs, had tonight counted Atlanta would have owned the tie breakers over both teams.
Crazy how Atlanta has beaten both teams. The Friday Cavs game is at 2:30
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@erikthredd said:
I didn't realize that the Hawks & Cavs play tonight and on Friday with the Friday game counting towards the IST not tonight's game which Atlanta just won. My scenarios above are still in play on Friday which works out great for both the C's & Cavs, had tonight counted Atlanta would have owned the tie breakers over both teams.
Crazy how Atlanta has beaten both teams. The Friday Cavs game is at 2:30
The Cavs at least had the benefit of losing to a fully manned Hawks team with Trae finishing with a monster game of 20pts & 22 assists. When Atlanta beat Boston they didn't have Trae, DeAndre Hunter or Bogdan Bogdanovic, that was one of the handful of games each season where the Celtics completely underestimate their undermanned opponent.
Any relation to legalized gambling and the proliferation of these 3 point attempts? Fans love to see offense, at least in football,baseball. I remember when the NFL changed the rules to favor more offense.
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I tuned in when the Hawks were up 91-71 and they held on for the win. Atlanta has a 9-11 record but they've been racking up some quality wins against some good teams, they've beat the Celtics, Knicks then the Cavs twice.
Looking forward to that BOS/CLE matchup on Sunday, luckily it doesn't coincide with the Pats game like it has a couple times in recent weeks. The Cavs should be amped up after losing b2b games to the Hawks.
@galaxy27 said:
looks like the Cavs & Celts played a good one today
anyone watch it?
I saw about the last 10 minutes. Donavan Mitchell was great in the second half. Cavs kept hitting all their free throws at the end when Boston was intentionally fouling them.
@galaxy27 said:
looks like the Cavs & Celts played a good one today
anyone watch it?
I saw about the last 10 minutes. Donavan Mitchell was great in the second half. Cavs kept hitting all their free throws at the end when Boston was intentionally fouling them.
Sorry should say third and fourth quarter when talking nba
That ending took forever and goes back to that conversation the other night about how volatile scoring is these days.
The Cavs score a basket making it a 105-101 Cavs lead with 34 seconds in the game. Over the next 34 seconds the game turned into a foul fest that saw the them combine for a total of 20pts in that final :34. One made three and then 17/18 free throws with the one miss intentional. Hats off to the Cavs for pulling out that win.
you guys remember BJ Armstrong? as a Bulls fan back then, i always liked him. really intelligent guy on and off the court.
anywho, i caught an interview with him the other night. he said the NBA is in a very dangerous place with the proliferation of the 3-pt shot destroying the aesthetics of the game. basically what i've been saying, except he said it better.
i even took it a step further and asked my dad what he thought about today's NBA. i wanted some old school perspective. his reply: "unwatchable. if you want to see how the game is supposed to be played, go find clips of the 50s & 60s Celtics."
Today’s NBA games is the result of a trend that over the years has seen more and more three point shooting by all five players on the floor.
The three point threat posed by teams with all five players on the floor being good three point shooters has resulted in both really good basketball being played and really bad basketball being played.
The really good play includes constant motion by all five players, quickly passing the ball from player to player around the floor and the resulting shooting of high percentage shots from everywhere on the floor. This type of play is very appealing and demonstrates a choreographed ballet like performance. Beautiful to watch.
The really bad play includes ISO ball where one player keeps the ball for most of a 24 second possession, with minimal movement by other players who do not have the ball. Low percentage shots are taken, at times as the shot clock is running out. Ugly to watch.
that's precisely what my dad was alluding to when he mentioned those juggernaut Boston teams. he said the ball movement was like art. it's the stand-around ISO ball of today's NBA that he can't stomach. and i'm sure if he watched enough he'd probably also have an issue with 150 threes being jacked up in every game.
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this is unreal
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
and btw, just because i kvetch about a team blowing a seemingly insurmountable lead doesn't necessarily mean i have skin in the game. more often than not i don't. like the other night i just so happened to catch Golden St against Brooklyn and the Warriors flat-out gagged that game to the vastly inferior Nets. they were up almost 20 in the 3rd at home and i blinked and that lead was gone. i was like, i can't believe that pop tarts just happened again lol
i needed to post about it as part of my therapy
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
A definite change in coaching philosophy. Used to be a cardinal error if a shot was put up and the big guys weren’t camped under the basket for a rebound. Danny Manning used to jack a three up from time to time at KU and then later Raef Lafrentz. It was basically considered a bad shot especially if they missed because they’re supposed to be the rebounders. Of course back then if you were 6’7” or taller it was assumed you couldn’t shoot worth a crap from long range. Gradual change and now everyone throws threes as long as they have a ‘good look’ at the basket and it doesn’t matter who is underneath for a rebound.
While most of your typical slow lumbering big's from previous eras would have seen the game pass them by, those two deserve credit for completely changing their game to fit this current era of three point shooting.
I just added up their total earnings since becoming lethal 3pt shooters and its paid off for them tremendously. You could also say its prolonged their careers.
Horford's last 10 seasons - roughly 254M in career earnings
Lopez last 9 - 146M
At ages 38 & 36 they're both still impactful players.
Eric
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I know nothing about placing sound bets on NBA games but with the volatility of three point shooting affecting the scores like it does, I'm just guessing that betting on these games wouldn't be fruitful like it may have been 20-30-40 years ago.
One thing that I noticed about GS last night is when Curry (load manage night) & Buddy Hield (foul trouble) were not on the court last night the Dubs offense did not look good at all, especially in that 4th quarter. Outside of their game vs Boston and about 3-4 early season GS games, i haven't spent much time watching the 2024 Warriors play so don't know if that has been a long term issue throughout this season. OKC is also arguably the best defense in basketball so that could have been it too.
Eric
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Like in other sports, Analytics has changed how NBA offenses are currently played. in previous eras your offense would use most if not all of the 24 second shot clock finding one good FG attempt that would land you two, maybe three, points on any given possession.
Now, teams may breakdown that same 24 seconds into 3-4 possessions where they quickly set-up the first possession by shooting a three 6-8 seconds into the 24 depending on how fast they got the ball up the court. That same 24 seconds added up might net your team anywhere from 6 to 12pts. The 2023 & 2024 Celtics are notorious for this but like I mentioned last night they're loaded with a ton of above average 3pt shooters so most nights they're pretty efficient when playing that way.
Raef LaFrentz spent a few years up here in Boston with his former KU teammate Paul Pierce. The team really wasn't that good at the time but I do remember buying LaFrentz rookies for cheap on ebay.
Eric
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Today’s NBA games with volume three point shooting and faster pace means a 30 point lead does not equate to a win.
It seems the games today are comical and similar to video games programmed for the highest speed and scores.
Some persons may like this type of game. I do not care for it.
I have heard talk about changing the rules. Adding a four point shot is a no go for me.
Proposed changes that I am intrigued by are giving three points for a contested dunk; and to minimize constant fouling in the last two minutes of a game award free throws to the team that was fouled and give that team possession of the ball.
I also like the idea of modifying current rules that favor the offense. Allow for more effective defense.
I would also like to see referees actually make traveling calls.
Crazy how Atlanta has beaten both teams. The Friday Cavs game is at 2:30
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The Cavs at least had the benefit of losing to a fully manned Hawks team with Trae finishing with a monster game of 20pts & 22 assists. When Atlanta beat Boston they didn't have Trae, DeAndre Hunter or Bogdan Bogdanovic, that was one of the handful of games each season where the Celtics completely underestimate their undermanned opponent.
Eric
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Any relation to legalized gambling and the proliferation of these 3 point attempts? Fans love to see offense, at least in football,baseball. I remember when the NFL changed the rules to favor more offense.
What a horrible game from Mitchell this afternoon.......5 of 23 from the field and 12 points.! Think the Cavs will be ready for Boston on Sunday?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I tuned in when the Hawks were up 91-71 and they held on for the win. Atlanta has a 9-11 record but they've been racking up some quality wins against some good teams, they've beat the Celtics, Knicks then the Cavs twice.
Looking forward to that BOS/CLE matchup on Sunday, luckily it doesn't coincide with the Pats game like it has a couple times in recent weeks. The Cavs should be amped up after losing b2b games to the Hawks.
Eric
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It’s crazy how good this guy is, Denver’s ownership and front office should be going all out to maximize his prime years.
Eric
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looks like the Cavs & Celts played a good one today
anyone watch it?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I saw about the last 10 minutes. Donavan Mitchell was great in the second half. Cavs kept hitting all their free throws at the end when Boston was intentionally fouling them.
Sorry should say third and fourth quarter when talking nba
That ending took forever and goes back to that conversation the other night about how volatile scoring is these days.
The Cavs score a basket making it a 105-101 Cavs lead with 34 seconds in the game. Over the next 34 seconds the game turned into a foul fest that saw the them combine for a total of 20pts in that final :34. One made three and then 17/18 free throws with the one miss intentional. Hats off to the Cavs for pulling out that win.
Eric
Erikthredd’s MJ Collection: https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/publishedset/395035
Erikthredd’s Nike Air Jordan Collection: https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/basketball/key-card-sets/nike-poster-cards-michael-jordan-1985-1992/alltimeset/408486
you guys remember BJ Armstrong? as a Bulls fan back then, i always liked him. really intelligent guy on and off the court.
anywho, i caught an interview with him the other night. he said the NBA is in a very dangerous place with the proliferation of the 3-pt shot destroying the aesthetics of the game. basically what i've been saying, except he said it better.
i even took it a step further and asked my dad what he thought about today's NBA. i wanted some old school perspective. his reply: "unwatchable. if you want to see how the game is supposed to be played, go find clips of the 50s & 60s Celtics."
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Today’s NBA games is the result of a trend that over the years has seen more and more three point shooting by all five players on the floor.
The three point threat posed by teams with all five players on the floor being good three point shooters has resulted in both really good basketball being played and really bad basketball being played.
The really good play includes constant motion by all five players, quickly passing the ball from player to player around the floor and the resulting shooting of high percentage shots from everywhere on the floor. This type of play is very appealing and demonstrates a choreographed ballet like performance. Beautiful to watch.
The really bad play includes ISO ball where one player keeps the ball for most of a 24 second possession, with minimal movement by other players who do not have the ball. Low percentage shots are taken, at times as the shot clock is running out. Ugly to watch.
@SanctionII
that's precisely what my dad was alluding to when he mentioned those juggernaut Boston teams. he said the ball movement was like art. it's the stand-around ISO ball of today's NBA that he can't stomach. and i'm sure if he watched enough he'd probably also have an issue with 150 threes being jacked up in every game.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet