@galaxy27 said:
a prime example of the difference between traditional and QBR (and why I favor the latter more) is Murray last night. he housed one from 44 yards out with his legs, so it's not surprising that his QBR > passer rating. A QB metric that doesn't include that play is sorely lacking imo, because that run was a big reason why AZ won the game
Its easy enough to separate passing and rushing in game. by a QB and combine it without something pretending to account for everything. Herbert was the better QB, the Chargers were just the worst team. Chargers couldnt run the ball and Herbert was still better.
so now you're the ins and outs QBR computation expert. color me completely unsurprised.
and yeah, Herbert was so much better that he couldn't find the end zone once against one of the worst defenses in the league that was besieged with injuries, settling for 5 field goals
meanwhile, Murray didn't have that issue twice against a much, much more formidable D and those 8 extra points were the difference in the game
that's why Herbert's QBR was 20 points lower despite all of the empty calories that get you all hot and bothered
he wasnt better by any stretch
My point about QBR was simply that it attempts to "correct" for everything. Any stat that attempts to do that never does.
Herbert was better in that game his team was just worse. Herbert was 27/39 with 349 yards, Murray was 14/26 with with 145 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT as a passer.
The Chargers rushed for 60 yards (59 yards if you include the sack) and the Cardinals rushed for 181. The Chargers had 395 yards vs 326 for the Cards and almost all of their yards were a direct result of Herbert throwing the ball. The Charges had 2 turnovers on fumbles that had nothing to do with Herbert and their defense had 0 sacks while missing a ton of top guys to injury. Game should have never been as close as it was
again, Herbert was not better. i know this, QBR knows this, the author of every recap i've read knows this. the concept of making plays when it matters most being more valuable than the mere accumulation of yards is fairly easy to grasp for most people who follow the sport
one QB threw for a TD, ran for one and engineered a game-winning drive against the league's top scoring defense, and the other threw for 349 yards that resulted in zero touchdowns and his kicker's leg almost falling off against one of the worst defenses in the league that was missing multiple starters
most people can figure out which QB outplayed the other in the above scenario. most people.
@galaxy27 said:
again, Herbert was not better. i know this, QBR knows this, the author of every recap i've read knows this. the concept of making plays when it matters most being more valuable than the mere accumulation of yards is fairly easy to grasp for most people who follow the sport
one QB threw for a TD, ran for one and engineered a game-winning drive against the league's top scoring defense, and the other threw for 349 yards that resulted in zero touchdowns and his kicker's leg almost falling off against one of the worst defenses in the league that was missing multiple starters
most people can figure out which QB outplayed the other in the above scenario. most people.
Herbert had better stats on a team that had no real weapons other than McKonky.
The Chargers were missing their best WR and a TE after getting rid of their two best WRs in the offseason meaning their 3 best were out and McKonky was their best option whose more of a slot guy.
How is it Herberts fault that they fumbled twice?
How is it Herberts fault they had 7 dropped passes in that game including big plays?
it's not nearly as much fun being directly involved. seeing what type of spin job he conjures up is why i continue.
this time it's Justin Herbert, player of the game, first ballot hall of famer, for the 1,758 yards he threw in between the 20s last night. but when it comes time to explain away his inability to make a single play in the money zone against a defense that has given up 25+ PPG on the season, that's when the fun really starts. all of a sudden it's because they couldn't run the ball and because the WR corps was decimated. the player of the game, the first ballot hall of famer, is completely absolved. it really is entertaining.
one QB was up against a sieve of a defense and he couldn't put the football in the end zone once. the other QB faced the #1-ranked scoring defense and found the house twice and led his team down the field for a game-winning FG. yet our good friend is having brain zaps trying to figure out why the latter's QBR was 20 points higher. you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make them drink.
actual contributions that quarterbacks make.........that lead to points.........that lead to wins........when taking the strength of the opposition into consideration........are the exact types of variables that QBR takes into consideration. it's a complex metric, but it's really not. a 5-year-old could have watched that game and figured out who outplayed whom. "hey, that one quarterback scored touchdowns and his team won. the other quarterback didn't score one touchdown and his team lost. the quarterback who scored touchdowns and won played better than the other quarterback."
it's not nearly as much fun being directly involved. seeing what type of spin job he conjures up is why i continue.
this time it's Justin Herbert, player of the game, first ballot hall of famer, for the 1,758 yards he threw in between the 20s last night. but when it comes time to explain away his inability to make a single play in the money zone against a defense that has given up 25+ PPG on the season, that's when the fun really starts. all of a sudden it's because they couldn't run the ball and because the WR corps was decimated. the player of the game, the first ballot hall of famer, is completely absolved. it really is entertaining.
one QB was up against a sieve of a defense and he couldn't put the football in the end zone once. the other QB faced the #1-ranked scoring defense and found the house twice and led his team down the field for a game-winning FG. yet our good friend is having brain zaps trying to figure out why the latter's QBR was 20 points higher. you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make them drink.
actual contributions that quarterbacks make.........that lead to points.........that lead to wins........when taking the strength of the opposition into consideration........are the exact types of variables that QBR takes into consideration. it's a complex metric, but it's really not. a 5-year-old could have watched that game and figured out who outplayed whom. "hey, that one quarterback scored touchdowns and his team won. the other quarterback didn't score one touchdown and his team lost. the quarterback who scored touchdowns and won played better than the other quarterback."
thank you, 5-year-old.
Herbert had better stats on a team that had no real weapons other than McKonky.
The Chargers were missing their best WR and a TE after getting rid of their two best WRs in the offseason meaning their 3 best were out and McKonky was their best option whose more of a slot guy.
How is it Herberts fault that they fumbled twice?
How is it Herberts fault they had 7 dropped passes in that game including big plays?
Herbert was without question the better QB and its a joke that QBR which claims to account for everything says he was significantly better.
Care to answer any of that or just go on rants because you dont like who pointed it out?
Blaming a QB for fumbling the ball out of the end zone on the two yard for a touch back, or a QB or others fumbles, or a QB for 7 drops in a game is certainly an interesting take
i never said i didn't like you. it's not personal. you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's erroneous. i never even said Herbert played a poor game, because he didn't. but he didn't outplay Murray. Murray made multiple plays that resulted in scores; Herbert did not. as a no-excuses, results-oriented fan, that's all i personally care about. but you don't care about that. you're about allocating every ounce of blame to every other player except the one you're vehemently defending and reducing yourself to playing the what-if game with every snap of the football, which i something i could do as well if i chose to. that's why it's amusing debating you.
i watched every snap of that game. i've given my .02 on who played better, and why. and i was taking numerous variables into account along the way, not simply pitching a tent over a single 349 figure......which is what you seem to be doing. i tend to dig a little deeper than that. i guess that's why i can easily understand the discrepancy in their QBR figures, but you can't.
i am happier than a pig in slop being at the opposite end of the spectrum from you..............the day i agree with something you say is the day i start to get a little scared
i never said i didn't like you. it's not personal. you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's erroneous. i never even said Herbert played a poor game, because he didn't. but he didn't outplay Murray. Murray made multiple plays that resulted in scores; Herbert did not. as a no-excuses, results-oriented fan, that's all i personally care about. but you don't care about that. you're about allocating every ounce of blame to every other player except the one you're vehemently defending and reducing yourself to playing the laughable what-if game with every snap of the football, which i something i could do as well if i chose to. that's why it's amusing debating you.
i watched every snap of that game. i've given my .02 on who played better, and why. and i was taking numerous variables into account along the way, not simply pitching a tent over a single 349 figure......which is what you seem to be doing. i tend to dig a little deeper than that. i guess that's why i can easily understand the discrepancy in their QBR figures, but you can't.
i am happier than a pig in slop being at the opposite end of the spectrum from you..............the day i agree with something you say is the day i start to get a little scared
The funny part is I am happy the Chargers lost. They deserve to lose every game for leaving SD and and as long as Spanos owns the team.
I wont however let my dislike of them bias me towards a player.
Theres no way around the fact the Chargers had 7 drops in the game or that a WR fumbled into the end zone on the 2 yard line creating a touch back. Thats just simply not his fault. The other fumble wasnt his fault either neither were the drops. If the Chargers didnt do Chargers things they easily win that game and his stats are significantly better.
Are there games hes part of why Chargers always do Chargers things sure, but this wasnt one of them.
He outplayed Murry in that game. Theres 22 guys on the field not even counting special teams and the Cards were simply better and made less mistakes than the Chargers as a team
I don’t know whether to cringe or cheer. The diplomatic verve jumps off the page. On one hand it’s infuriating to see someone just dodge common sense so artfully. While, on the other, the craft deployed is otherworldly.
I don’t know whether QBR is good or not. It’s hard to know how they craft the metrics to identify the probability of outcome to rate the QB against. In this case, and only watched the condensed game, I have to say galaxy has accurately described the play of the 2 QBs. Herbert did a great job chewing up yardage and moving his team. Then when the field got compressed he was having trouble hitting receivers as there was less space in the red zone. Murray made some big plays. When you scale raw QBR to total QBR based on the opposing defenses the QBR here makes more sense than not. QBR has produced some weird results in the past but this one seems pretty reasonable.
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Play 59 minutes of a great game only to be tainted by an obvious missed face mask call. It’s a scoring play and should be reviewed and over turned. At least a call down from NY. After all isn’t that what replay is for?
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@2dueces said:
Play 59 minutes of a great game only to be tainted by an obvious missed face mask call. It’s a scoring play and should be reviewed and over turned. At least a call down from NY. After all isn’t that what replay is for?
Apparently not.
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@2dueces said:
Play 59 minutes of a great game only to be tainted by an obvious missed face mask call. It’s a scoring play and should be reviewed and over turned. At least a call down from NY. After all isn’t that what replay is for?
This is the type of stuff that will help turn people away. You add that 100% OBVIOUS NON CALL to the constant whiny millionaires and the stupid rules and the constant bombardment by marketing/ads (some glaring, some subtle) and I'll admit that I'm already at my tipping point.
They can call a reception a non catch because they have cameras that can see that the player was a blade of grass out of bounds but they don't see that?????????
@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
@galaxy27 said:
not to mention the 5 or so times the Vikings stopped the Rams on third down and......wait for it......a defensive penalty to extend the drive
some were dubious
I remember one that was ludicrous our DB's hand touched the receivers bicep, didnseem ti impede his progress, pass was not thrown well, looked uncatchable, and the Rams scored a TD a couple of plays later.
The difference inthe game was, LA scored TDs when they were in the red zone and the Vikings kicked FGs their last two times.
I know the refs assisted LA on at least the aforementioned time.
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
i hate to be the conspiracy guy, but when stuff like this happens i have a difficult time trusting the NFL
if you wanna prove to me that everything is on the up and up, then fire this guy STAT
That ref should not be allowed to ref again
Until refs are held accountable all conspiracy theories have merit when absurd things like this happen.
As I've said in the betting thread, our money is not just on the spread or ML it's on the players from both squads, the coach running the team you bet on and the refs.
The refs shouldn't even be in the conversation but they are and it's extremely frustrating borderline criminal
I only listened on the radio to the last 8 minutes of the Minn game. During that time and before the missed call in question the announcers commented that the refs missed a face mask call against Minnesota. So maybe the refs did the old make up call.
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
Are you going to go to the season finale against the Packers?
@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
No team deserves to get screwed.
And when I made reference to a "Great Team" I was going on the fact that they were undefeated to start the season until they lost a tough game against Detroit last week and going on the road to face a Rams team I thought they would have been a chance for them to plant that flag and be a "Great Team"
Obviously the season is young and they still could prove to be great
@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
Are you going to go to the season finale against the Packers?
No, funny you ask, the only game I went to in their fancy new stadium was the game where Rogers got hurt.
The new football "experience" is a piece of $hit. I'll watch at home where a glass of water doesn't cost $8.00 and I don't have to listen to rap music blasted for 3 hours.
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
No team deserves to get screwed.
And when I made reference to a "Great Team" I was going on the fact that they were undefeated to start the season until they lost a tough game against Detroit last week and going on the road to face a Rams team I thought they would have been a chance for them to plant that flag and be a "Great Team"
Obviously the season is young and they still could prove to be great
I think the Vikings can contend for he division, and I think they'll make the playoffs.
A great team? Nope, pretty good, but I wouldn't say great.
Schedule is very favorable. If someone can beat the Lions, that would be nice.
I hate to say it, but good for Detroit, they have been inept for most of my lifetime. The last time they won a Championship was the year I was born! A LONG TIME AGO!
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@perkdog said:
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
No team deserves to get screwed.
And when I made reference to a "Great Team" I was going on the fact that they were undefeated to start the season until they lost a tough game against Detroit last week and going on the road to face a Rams team I thought they would have been a chance for them to plant that flag and be a "Great Team"
Obviously the season is young and they still could prove to be great
I think the Vikings can contend for he division, and I think they'll make the playoffs.
A great team? Nope, pretty good, but I wouldn't say great.
Schedule is very favorable. If someone can beat the Lions, that would be nice.
I hate to say it, but good for Detroit, they have been inept for most of my lifetime. The last time they won a Championship was the year I was born! A LONG TIME AGO!
The curse of Bobby Layne lives on.
I don't hate Detroit, and I don't love Minnesota but like Buffalo I'd like to see one of these teams get a championship, I would include Cleveland in that but after they brought Watson in I was glad that experiment failed because I can't stand him
My neighbors are from Indiana and I think I posted a picture of their game room awhile back and how it's full of Vikings posters ECT.. they are fanatical Vikings fans so like I said I like Minny and wish them well, also I think it's good to see Darnold do well and I'm looking forward to seeing how McCarthy does.
It's a shame about Dalvin Cook, he should have stayed with them because now his career is basically in shambles
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@Neanderthal said:
Nicotine pouches, fair enough, there's only room for one dipper in the NFL anyway.
I only pointed out the difference because the nicotine pouches you can swallow if you wanted to since its all food grade stuff besides the nicotine. Dip youd be puking your brains out if you did lol
@Neanderthal said:
Nicotine pouches, fair enough, there's only room for one dipper in the NFL anyway.
I only pointed out the difference because the nicotine pouches you can swallow if you wanted to since its all food grade stuff besides the nicotine. Dip youd be puking your brains out if you did lol
Pretty sure it’s required if you’re from North Dakota to “gut it” regardless. Or so I’m told. I don’t chew tobaki myself but I do know two brave individuals who gut Kodiak.
Our distant uncle lived with us in the mid 60’s until he passed in 79. He chewed Elephant Butts, a chewing tobacco. I never had the nerve to try it but I did steal my fathers Camel non filters and puked my guts out after the room stopped spinning.
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@Neanderthal said:
Nicotine pouches, fair enough, there's only room for one dipper in the NFL anyway.
I only pointed out the difference because the nicotine pouches you can swallow if you wanted to since its all food grade stuff besides the nicotine. Dip youd be puking your brains out if you did lol
Pretty sure it’s required if you’re from North Dakota to “gut it” regardless. Or so I’m told. I don’t chew tobaki myself but I do know two brave individuals who gut Kodiak.
I dipped and chewed for the longest time but switched to the lip pillows. Much easier clean up you just have to spit them out. Gutting Kodiak is something you would make someone do in an interrogation. Its not even the good stuff for dip lol
@Neanderthal said:
Nicotine pouches, fair enough, there's only room for one dipper in the NFL anyway.
I only pointed out the difference because the nicotine pouches you can swallow if you wanted to since its all food grade stuff besides the nicotine. Dip youd be puking your brains out if you did lol
Pretty sure it’s required if you’re from North Dakota to “gut it” regardless. Or so I’m told. I don’t chew tobaki myself but I do know two brave individuals who gut Kodiak.
I dipped and chewed for the longest time but switched to the lip pillows. Much easier clean up you just have to spit them out. Gutting Kodiak is something you would make someone do in an interrogation. Its not even the good stuff for dip lol
The guy who I know who does that said his dad only let him chew in his shop room if he didn’t use a spitter. He’s also a Yale and MIT graduate so he’s not a moron otherwise.
@2dueces said:
Our distant uncle lived with us in the mid 60’s until he passed in 79. He chewed Elephant Butts, a chewing tobacco. I never had the nerve to try it but I did steal my fathers Camel non filters and puked my guts out after the room stopped spinning.
So you’d think after that experience I’d never smoke again. Well 53 years later and I still do. No smokers cough, lungs completely clear and my doctor just shakes his head. I believe my luck is because I roll my own and avoid all the chemicals from store bought. With my art collection I only smoke outside and never in our vehicles. Still, a terrible nasty habit I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemies. Since I mentioned my art collection, my latest.
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I’m not better this year but 2 games jump out at me.
Cincinnati-2. I think the flaws in Hurts game gets fully exposed today. Sorry @stevek
Brown +9.5. 85% of the money is on the Ravens and the line was +11.5. Winston making that difference? The line should be moving up to get money on the Browns, not down. Terrible beat with a back door cover
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@2dueces said:
I’m not better this year but 2 games jump out at me.
Cincinnati-2. I think the flaws in Hurts game gets fully exposed today. Sorry @stevek
Brown +9.5. 85% of the money is on the Ravens and the line was +11.5. Winston making that difference? The line should be moving up to get money on the Browns, not down. Terrible beat with a back door cover
I can't disagree with ya. The Eagles are going to need to play mistake free football to win this game. I'm not sure if they are capable of doing that.
I hope Sequon has something left in his legs after rushing for 176 yards last week. The Eagles are going to need his steady influence on ball control to win this game.
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My point about QBR was simply that it attempts to "correct" for everything. Any stat that attempts to do that never does.
Herbert was better in that game his team was just worse. Herbert was 27/39 with 349 yards, Murray was 14/26 with with 145 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT as a passer.
The Chargers rushed for 60 yards (59 yards if you include the sack) and the Cardinals rushed for 181. The Chargers had 395 yards vs 326 for the Cards and almost all of their yards were a direct result of Herbert throwing the ball. The Charges had 2 turnovers on fumbles that had nothing to do with Herbert and their defense had 0 sacks while missing a ton of top guys to injury. Game should have never been as close as it was
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again, Herbert was not better. i know this, QBR knows this, the author of every recap i've read knows this. the concept of making plays when it matters most being more valuable than the mere accumulation of yards is fairly easy to grasp for most people who follow the sport
one QB threw for a TD, ran for one and engineered a game-winning drive against the league's top scoring defense, and the other threw for 349 yards that resulted in zero touchdowns and his kicker's leg almost falling off against one of the worst defenses in the league that was missing multiple starters
most people can figure out which QB outplayed the other in the above scenario. most people.
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Herbert had better stats on a team that had no real weapons other than McKonky.
The Chargers were missing their best WR and a TE after getting rid of their two best WRs in the offseason meaning their 3 best were out and McKonky was their best option whose more of a slot guy.
How is it Herberts fault that they fumbled twice?
How is it Herberts fault they had 7 dropped passes in that game including big plays?
How is this Herberts fault?
https://www.espn.co.uk/video/clip/_/id/41933133
Herbert was without question the better QB and its a joke that QBR which claims to account for everything says he was significantly better.
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This is just as fun watching from the sidelines.
it's not nearly as much fun being directly involved. seeing what type of spin job he conjures up is why i continue.
this time it's Justin Herbert, player of the game, first ballot hall of famer, for the 1,758 yards he threw in between the 20s last night. but when it comes time to explain away his inability to make a single play in the money zone against a defense that has given up 25+ PPG on the season, that's when the fun really starts. all of a sudden it's because they couldn't run the ball and because the WR corps was decimated. the player of the game, the first ballot hall of famer, is completely absolved. it really is entertaining.
one QB was up against a sieve of a defense and he couldn't put the football in the end zone once. the other QB faced the #1-ranked scoring defense and found the house twice and led his team down the field for a game-winning FG. yet our good friend is having brain zaps trying to figure out why the latter's QBR was 20 points higher. you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make them drink.
actual contributions that quarterbacks make.........that lead to points.........that lead to wins........when taking the strength of the opposition into consideration........are the exact types of variables that QBR takes into consideration. it's a complex metric, but it's really not. a 5-year-old could have watched that game and figured out who outplayed whom. "hey, that one quarterback scored touchdowns and his team won. the other quarterback didn't score one touchdown and his team lost. the quarterback who scored touchdowns and won played better than the other quarterback."
thank you, 5-year-old.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Herbert had better stats on a team that had no real weapons other than McKonky.
The Chargers were missing their best WR and a TE after getting rid of their two best WRs in the offseason meaning their 3 best were out and McKonky was their best option whose more of a slot guy.
How is it Herberts fault that they fumbled twice?
How is it Herberts fault they had 7 dropped passes in that game including big plays?
How is this Herberts fault?
https://www.espn.co.uk/video/clip/_/id/41933133
Herbert was without question the better QB and its a joke that QBR which claims to account for everything says he was significantly better.
Care to answer any of that or just go on rants because you dont like who pointed it out?
Blaming a QB for fumbling the ball out of the end zone on the two yard for a touch back, or a QB or others fumbles, or a QB for 7 drops in a game is certainly an interesting take
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i never said i didn't like you. it's not personal. you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's erroneous. i never even said Herbert played a poor game, because he didn't. but he didn't outplay Murray. Murray made multiple plays that resulted in scores; Herbert did not. as a no-excuses, results-oriented fan, that's all i personally care about. but you don't care about that. you're about allocating every ounce of blame to every other player except the one you're vehemently defending and reducing yourself to playing the what-if game with every snap of the football, which i something i could do as well if i chose to. that's why it's amusing debating you.
i watched every snap of that game. i've given my .02 on who played better, and why. and i was taking numerous variables into account along the way, not simply pitching a tent over a single 349 figure......which is what you seem to be doing. i tend to dig a little deeper than that. i guess that's why i can easily understand the discrepancy in their QBR figures, but you can't.
i am happier than a pig in slop being at the opposite end of the spectrum from you..............the day i agree with something you say is the day i start to get a little scared
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The funny part is I am happy the Chargers lost. They deserve to lose every game for leaving SD and and as long as Spanos owns the team.
I wont however let my dislike of them bias me towards a player.
Theres no way around the fact the Chargers had 7 drops in the game or that a WR fumbled into the end zone on the 2 yard line creating a touch back. Thats just simply not his fault. The other fumble wasnt his fault either neither were the drops. If the Chargers didnt do Chargers things they easily win that game and his stats are significantly better.
Are there games hes part of why Chargers always do Chargers things sure, but this wasnt one of them.
He outplayed Murry in that game. Theres 22 guys on the field not even counting special teams and the Cards were simply better and made less mistakes than the Chargers as a team
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I don’t know whether to cringe or cheer. The diplomatic verve jumps off the page. On one hand it’s infuriating to see someone just dodge common sense so artfully. While, on the other, the craft deployed is otherworldly.
I don’t know whether QBR is good or not. It’s hard to know how they craft the metrics to identify the probability of outcome to rate the QB against. In this case, and only watched the condensed game, I have to say galaxy has accurately described the play of the 2 QBs. Herbert did a great job chewing up yardage and moving his team. Then when the field got compressed he was having trouble hitting receivers as there was less space in the red zone. Murray made some big plays. When you scale raw QBR to total QBR based on the opposing defenses the QBR here makes more sense than not. QBR has produced some weird results in the past but this one seems pretty reasonable.
Here’s to never finding a hill not worth dying on!
watching Vikes-Rams and just witnessed some sheer stupidity
:35 seconds left in the first half, Minny has the ball on their own 5, Rams have one timeout
a crackhead would take a knee and end the half
what does O'Connell decide to do? he dials up a completely meaningless run play
what happened? their best offensive lineman got hurt and he's out for the game
if i was a Minnesota fan i'd be livid
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you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
You just can't trust NFL coaches to be smart
Kids playing Madden run teams better than some of these idiot coaches do
Minny -2.5 looked pretty good after that tough loss to Green Bay but the time has come albeit later than normal to see Minnesota be Minnesota
Play 59 minutes of a great game only to be tainted by an obvious missed face mask call. It’s a scoring play and should be reviewed and over turned. At least a call down from NY. After all isn’t that what replay is for?
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hey ya Perkdog...
Kids playing Madden run teams better than some of these idiot coaches do
Ya can't leave out those Tudor guys...
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Apparently not.
This is the type of stuff that will help turn people away. You add that 100% OBVIOUS NON CALL to the constant whiny millionaires and the stupid rules and the constant bombardment by marketing/ads (some glaring, some subtle) and I'll admit that I'm already at my tipping point.
They can call a reception a non catch because they have cameras that can see that the player was a blade of grass out of bounds but they don't see that?????????
The Vikings deserved an opportunity to tie the game at that point. Did I think they would.........no.
Please explain to me how if all scoring plays get reviewed, this score counted? Defender "scored" a safety by illegally tackling the quarterback.
Brings me right back to the "bountygate" game, officials need to call obvious penalties.
Sometimes, being a Vikings fan, it seems the officials ARE out to get us.
NFL games are won and lost by only a few points.
You can say the team should have played better early in the game, but when it comes down to it, these bad calls decide the game.
Horse$hit.
"i couldnt see it"
i hate to be the conspiracy guy, but when stuff like this happens i have a difficult time trusting the NFL
if you wanna prove to me that everything is on the up and up, then fire this guy STAT
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
not to mention the 5 or so times the Vikings stopped the Rams on third down and......wait for it......a defensive penalty to extend the drive
some were dubious
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
They scored 6 points after the 1st quarter, against the Rams.
That's not what great football teams do, they lost the game because they sucked for 3 quarters of the game
I remember one that was ludicrous our DB's hand touched the receivers bicep, didnseem ti impede his progress, pass was not thrown well, looked uncatchable, and the Rams scored a TD a couple of plays later.
The difference inthe game was, LA scored TDs when they were in the red zone and the Vikings kicked FGs their last two times.
I know the refs assisted LA on at least the aforementioned time.
That's not really correct. They didn't "suck" for 3/4 of the game. Even if they did, so what? It's who scores last that usually matters!
Both teams scored touchdowns on their first 2 possessions and both teams had 2 other scoring drives in the second half. O'Connell should have tried for a TD on fourth down at least one of those second half drives.
On at least one of LAs second half TD drives they were stopped and got a first down very close to the end zone on a horrible PI call.
Additionally, I didn't say the Vikings "deserved" to win, because they didn't. What I said was the officials denied them he opportunity, by missing an OBVIOUS call. Instead of a first down at the 20 yard line, with time enough to make a comeback, the game was abruptly over.
Horrible stupid insane bad call at the end, or the games are fixed. Take your pick.
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and just like that, Minnesota's stud left tackle is out for the year
bravo coach, that was a brilliant move
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I never said you said they "Deserved" to win but if a team scores 6 points in 3 quarters I say the offense sucked, if you feel differently then go for it but I'm going to flat out disagree with you
They definitely got screwed by penalties no doubt, and to be honest I liked Minnesota being good, and am rooting for Darnold.
I hate the Rams and wish they lost but looking at this Minnesota team they lost a tough one to Detroit and the mark of a very good team is going to bounce back the next week and not get just 2 FG's in 3 quarters, that just doesn't cut it for a great team.
That ref should not be allowed to ref again
Until refs are held accountable all conspiracy theories have merit when absurd things like this happen.
As I've said in the betting thread, our money is not just on the spread or ML it's on the players from both squads, the coach running the team you bet on and the refs.
The refs shouldn't even be in the conversation but they are and it's extremely frustrating borderline criminal
I only listened on the radio to the last 8 minutes of the Minn game. During that time and before the missed call in question the announcers commented that the refs missed a face mask call against Minnesota. So maybe the refs did the old make up call.
Great team?
Before the season they were picked to be last in the division and Darnold was said to be a total bust.
I thought they would go 12-5 if they could avoid injuries to Jefferson and Darnold. Darrisaw's season being over is a pretty big loss.
I think they have a good chance of going 4-1 in the next 5 games.
Regardless of how they played for the preceeding three quarters, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Not a great chance, but a chance.
They didnt deserve to get screwed on a totally obvious call.
Are you going to go to the season finale against the Packers?
No team deserves to get screwed.
And when I made reference to a "Great Team" I was going on the fact that they were undefeated to start the season until they lost a tough game against Detroit last week and going on the road to face a Rams team I thought they would have been a chance for them to plant that flag and be a "Great Team"
Obviously the season is young and they still could prove to be great
No, funny you ask, the only game I went to in their fancy new stadium was the game where Rogers got hurt.
The new football "experience" is a piece of $hit. I'll watch at home where a glass of water doesn't cost $8.00 and I don't have to listen to rap music blasted for 3 hours.
I think the Vikings can contend for he division, and I think they'll make the playoffs.
A great team? Nope, pretty good, but I wouldn't say great.
Schedule is very favorable. If someone can beat the Lions, that would be nice.
I hate to say it, but good for Detroit, they have been inept for most of my lifetime. The last time they won a Championship was the year I was born! A LONG TIME AGO!
The curse of Bobby Layne lives on.
I don't hate Detroit, and I don't love Minnesota but like Buffalo I'd like to see one of these teams get a championship, I would include Cleveland in that but after they brought Watson in I was glad that experiment failed because I can't stand him
My neighbors are from Indiana and I think I posted a picture of their game room awhile back and how it's full of Vikings posters ECT.. they are fanatical Vikings fans so like I said I like Minny and wish them well, also I think it's good to see Darnold do well and I'm looking forward to seeing how McCarthy does.
It's a shame about Dalvin Cook, he should have stayed with them because now his career is basically in shambles
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Nobody going to say anything about that photo of Baker Mayfield dipping on the sidelines?
Technically a nicotine pouch but its common. Some guys even play with one in
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Nicotine pouches, fair enough, there's only room for one dipper in the NFL anyway.
I only pointed out the difference because the nicotine pouches you can swallow if you wanted to since its all food grade stuff besides the nicotine. Dip youd be puking your brains out if you did lol
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Pretty sure it’s required if you’re from North Dakota to “gut it” regardless. Or so I’m told. I don’t chew tobaki myself but I do know two brave individuals who gut Kodiak.
Our distant uncle lived with us in the mid 60’s until he passed in 79. He chewed Elephant Butts, a chewing tobacco. I never had the nerve to try it but I did steal my fathers Camel non filters and puked my guts out after the room stopped spinning.
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just Tapped my can 4 A Re-Load...🙂
I dipped and chewed for the longest time but switched to the lip pillows. Much easier clean up you just have to spit them out. Gutting Kodiak is something you would make someone do in an interrogation. Its not even the good stuff for dip lol
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The guy who I know who does that said his dad only let him chew in his shop room if he didn’t use a spitter. He’s also a Yale and MIT graduate so he’s not a moron otherwise.
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Those are the 90th Anniversary cans...
Stay cool everyone, and do the Humpty Hump.
So you’d think after that experience I’d never smoke again. Well 53 years later and I still do. No smokers cough, lungs completely clear and my doctor just shakes his head. I believe my luck is because I roll my own and avoid all the chemicals from store bought. With my art collection I only smoke outside and never in our vehicles. Still, a terrible nasty habit I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemies. Since I mentioned my art collection, my latest.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
I’m not better this year but 2 games jump out at me.
Cincinnati-2. I think the flaws in Hurts game gets fully exposed today. Sorry @stevek
Brown +9.5. 85% of the money is on the Ravens and the line was +11.5. Winston making that difference? The line should be moving up to get money on the Browns, not down. Terrible beat with a back door cover
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
I can't disagree with ya. The Eagles are going to need to play mistake free football to win this game. I'm not sure if they are capable of doing that.
I hope Sequon has something left in his legs after rushing for 176 yards last week. The Eagles are going to need his steady influence on ball control to win this game.