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erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

It was probably time to make this before us Pats fans turned Galaxy's Jayden Daniels thread into one. 😎

So far,the new changes are:
Jerod Mayo - Head Coach
Alex Van Pelt - Offensive Coordinator
DeMarcus Covington - Defensive Coordinator
??? - General Manager

Currently Cap space, just over 69M.
Current draft picks:
1st (#3)
2nd (#34)
3rd (#68)
4th (#103)
5th (#135)
6th (#181)
7th (#228)

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once the draft is complete and we get a clear picture of what this team will look like and who will be starting at QB I think we should all post up our guesses on the teams record and QB passing yards with TD/Int numbers as well.

    Me and couple buddies do this every year and the winner gets dinner on the other 2

    No wagering just fun idea for us in the thread

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will jump in early on this one. I am excited about the draft. I think we can get some real quality with the first 3 picks. Having some money to spend in FA is encouraging as well.

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Once the draft is complete and we get a clear picture of what this team will look like and who will be starting at QB I think we should all post up our guesses on the teams record and QB passing yards with TD/Int numbers as well.

    Me and couple buddies do this every year and the winner gets dinner on the other 2

    No wagering just fun idea for us in the thread

    I'm down but its going to be a long wait for the draft to be over and done with. Even free agency is still over a month away.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @perkdog said:
    Once the draft is complete and we get a clear picture of what this team will look like and who will be starting at QB I think we should all post up our guesses on the teams record and QB passing yards with TD/Int numbers as well.

    Me and couple buddies do this every year and the winner gets dinner on the other 2

    No wagering just fun idea for us in the thread

    I'm down but its going to be a long wait for the draft to be over and done with. Even free agency is still over a month away.

    It's all good, this thread has patience 😉

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2024 11:02AM


    My buddy just sent me these from right after the Pats 28-3 comeback victory, 2/5/17

    I'm in the gray sweatshirt and camo hat, we went to Dicks Sporting Goods right after the game to get some Hats and other stuff, place was packed and everyone was so happy!!

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NE just hired Ben McAdoo to be their Offensive Assistant Coach.
    Here are some of his previous jobs in recent years...
    Giants Offensive Coordinator 2014-15
    Giants Head Coach 2016-17
    Jaguars Qb Coach 2020
    Cowboys Consultant 2021
    Panthers Offensive Coordinator 2022

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just hired Ben McAdoo to be their Offensive Assistant Coach.
    Here are some of his previous jobs in recent years...
    Giants Offensive Coordinator 2014-15
    Giants Head Coach 2016-17
    Jaguars Qb Coach 2020
    Cowboys Consultant 2021
    Panthers Offensive Coordinator 2022

    Not thrilled to hear he had anything to do with the Panthers to be honest but it shouldn't be any worse than it's been the past couple seasons

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just hired Ben McAdoo to be their Offensive Assistant Coach.
    Here are some of his previous jobs in recent years...
    Giants Offensive Coordinator 2014-15
    Giants Head Coach 2016-17
    Jaguars Qb Coach 2020
    Cowboys Consultant 2021
    Panthers Offensive Coordinator 2022

    Not thrilled to hear he had anything to do with the Panthers to be honest but it shouldn't be any worse than it's been the past couple seasons

    I really just remembered him from his Giants days. There was talk of hiring at least one former HC to give Mayo someone with a little more coaching experience than the others on the staff and its looking like McAdoo will be that guy for now. Who knows if it makes a difference or not.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:
    NE just hired Ben McAdoo to be their Offensive Assistant Coach.
    Here are some of his previous jobs in recent years...
    Giants Offensive Coordinator 2014-15
    Giants Head Coach 2016-17
    Jaguars Qb Coach 2020
    Cowboys Consultant 2021
    Panthers Offensive Coordinator 2022

    Not thrilled to hear he had anything to do with the Panthers to be honest but it shouldn't be any worse than it's been the past couple seasons

    I really just remembered him from his Giants days. There was talk of hiring at least one former HC to give Mayo someone with a little more coaching experience than the others on the staff and its looking like McAdoo will be that guy for now. Who knows if it makes a difference or not.

    At this point and I know we got to give Mayo a fair shot, but I'm all about focusing on getting talent in uniform.

    All the coaching help we get will not make a difference if we don't draft well and make some solid personal moves.

    I don't think we know one way or another what the Pats will do come draft time, Belichick is gone but will there be a thought process of copy and pasting what his viewpoint was on drafting?

    So many variables right now

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed. I've been reading that Elliot Wolf is the GM in everything but name and he's been their Director of Scouting since 2022. He spent 6yrs with GB as their Director of Player Personel then Director of Football Operations for the final 2 seasons. Then 2 seasons as the Browns Assistant GM before coming to NE.

    If the Krafts are giving him final say on roster decisions I just hope that he sees that this team needs high end talent on offense. Go get studs at the offensive skill positions now while they own these really high picks and then next offseason if they want to go bargain basement shopping for depth i'd be totally fine with that.

    I don't think we know one way or another what the Pats will do come draft time, Belichick is gone but will there be a thought process of copy and pasting what his viewpoint was on drafting?

    Its not just the draft,its literally everything with this team right now. Are they going to run the same version of the West Coast offense that we've seen since 2000? Same blocking schemes and RB routes? Count me in the group that would be happy to not see a single RB screen until at least game 12 lol.

    I think its fair to say that the defense won't change much under Mayo unless its more/less pressure on the QB.

    On a sidenote, looks like Steve Belichick is heading to the college ranks to be the Washington Huskies new DC.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 9,961 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it will be funny if all the crap hires over the years we blamed bill for were all creepy krafts doing , to save funds for his massage parlor addiction

    those women deserve a moment of silence for their efforts , imagine seeing gollum come thru the door on your shift?

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dont'a Hightower just got hired as the new Linebackers Coach. I really like this move.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Dont'a Hightower just got hired as the new Linebackers Coach. I really like this move.

    Heard this yesterday, I like bringing in former players with links to the organization

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn't feel like starting a new thread in the Trading Cards section but how cool would it be to show up at your local card shop trading night and find this?
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1hgObDsza6/?igsh=MWY3YzV3MTdpdG4xcw==

    I just wish we could have had a better look at his collection lol.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Didn't feel like starting a new thread in the Trading Cards section but how cool would it be to show up at your local card shop trading night and find this?
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1hgObDsza6/?igsh=MWY3YzV3MTdpdG4xcw==

    I just wish we could have had a better look at his collection lol.

    Haha awesome!!

    "Tom Brady Rookie Card at Michigan" lol

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Didn't feel like starting a new thread in the Trading Cards section but how cool would it be to show up at your local card shop trading night and find this?
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1hgObDsza6/?igsh=MWY3YzV3MTdpdG4xcw==

    I just wish we could have had a better look at his collection lol.

    If I were set up at a local card show any Tommy showed up at my table...

    I would simultaneously have both a stroke and a heart attack and die a happy man.

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Didn't feel like starting a new thread in the Trading Cards section but how cool would it be to show up at your local card shop trading night and find this?
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1hgObDsza6/?igsh=MWY3YzV3MTdpdG4xcw==

    I just wish we could have had a better look at his collection lol.

    Haha awesome!!

    "Tom Brady Rookie Card at Michigan" lol

    Then some random kid tells him that the best Brady rookies have him wearing Patriots gear lol.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For anyone looking to watch some Pats porn, I just watched the first two episodes of the new documentary called The Dynasty: New England Patriots and they were good. It had alot of new unseen footage from back around 2000-01.
    Drew Bledsoe even talked about pranking Brady as a a rookie by putting purple bank dye (from the dye packs) in Tom's socks before practice which left his lower legs purple for weeks.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    For anyone looking to watch some Pats porn, I just watched the first two episodes of the new documentary called The Dynasty: New England Patriots and they were good. It had alot of new unseen footage from back around 2000-01.
    Drew Bledsoe even talked about pranking Brady as a a rookie by putting purple bank dye (from the dye packs) in Tom's socks before practice which left his lower legs purple for weeks.

    that is awesome. where did you watch it?

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    yes, word on the street is that there is a mighty fine punter down there at Rutgers!

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    For anyone looking to watch some Pats porn, I just watched the first two episodes of the new documentary called The Dynasty: New England Patriots and they were good. It had alot of new unseen footage from back around 2000-01.
    Drew Bledsoe even talked about pranking Brady as a a rookie by putting purple bank dye (from the dye packs) in Tom's socks before practice which left his lower legs purple for weeks.

    that is awesome. where did you watch it?

    I used an online movie streaming site but it airs on Apple TV.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2024 4:10PM

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    yes, word on the street is that there is a mighty fine punter down there at Rutgers!

    😄
    Seriously there was talk of them trading that pick and getting an established veteran or two but I’m assuming it wasn’t from a reliable source.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    yes, word on the street is that there is a mighty fine punter down there at Rutgers!

    I thought it was a gunner for special teams????

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog you know what, you may be right.

    George Brett, Bobby Orr and Terry Bradshaw.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    @perkdog you know what, you may be right.

    I mean at least it's not another overpaid Long Snapper! 🤷

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields. They might as well just pack it in if they do that.

    They definitely should try and build up more or at the very least just sit the QB for a year and get another draft so they dont have to be insanely good to succeed. I would be looking to trade down if I was them

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2024 3:00PM

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    >

    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️

    Meant to say Miami got 3 1sts including #11 from SF who moved up to #3 for Trey Lance.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it's even remotely a thing where the Pats could get 3 first rounders for #3 then I'm 10000% on board with that action

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

    I came across this rumor link earlier mentioning the Falcons/Vikings as possible trade up targets and just figured that Denver
    & Las Vegas both need QBs too. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/02/patriots-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-team-expected-to-seek-mac-jones-trade

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay.
    It is but maybe not so much when a potential franchise QB is involved and depending on how badly that team wanting to move up really wants the guy. When a team really thinks that they found their guy,sometimes they're willing to pay the price to go get him. It worked for KC w/Mahomes but didn't work for Lance & the 49ers.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

    I came across this rumor link earlier mentioning the Falcons/Vikings as possible trade up targets and just figured that Denver
    & Las Vegas both need QBs too. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/02/patriots-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-team-expected-to-seek-mac-jones-trade

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay.
    It is but maybe not so much when a potential franchise QB is involved and depending on how badly that team wanting to move up really wants the guy. When a team really thinks that they found their guy,sometimes they're willing to pay the price to go get him. It worked for KC w/Mahomes but didn't work for Lance & the 49ers.

    Denver and Vegas both do, I think Denver might wait one more year though unless someone will trade for Wilson. I guess they could do it and let the drafted QB sit for a year (which is probably the smartest way to do things) but Wilsons cap hit basically cuts in half after this coming season.

    Even with a franchise QB involved the pieces have to be there for it to maybe be worth it. I still cant understand what Carolina did where they got rid of all their weapons, then got rid of their draft picks trading up, then starting Young right away like someone was trying to punish him for sleeping with their wife or something. It could make sense for the Vikings since they have the weapons already and a young one too with Addison. Ridder certainly isnt the guy in ATL either and could make sense maybe. Raiders and ATL probably end up in a worse position with a very very small window to win if thats the cost.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

    Paying that to move up would be stupid for sure.

    Mac to the Jets I wouldnt do if I was the team, but hope it does happen for him. He could actually be good there. Hed sit foor a year behind Rodgers and they have the pieces just can never find a QB. Theyd basically be doing the Jets a favor

    Cousins will cost much more than that for the yearly, but the length probably works if its all guaranteed.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2024 4:58PM

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

    I came across this rumor link earlier mentioning the Falcons/Vikings as possible trade up targets and just figured that Denver
    & Las Vegas both need QBs too. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/02/patriots-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-team-expected-to-seek-mac-jones-trade

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay.
    It is but maybe not so much when a potential franchise QB is involved and depending on how badly that team wanting to move up really wants the guy. When a team really thinks that they found their guy,sometimes they're willing to pay the price to go get him. It worked for KC w/Mahomes but didn't work for Lance & the 49ers.

    Denver and Vegas both do, I think Denver might wait one more year though unless someone will trade for Wilson. I guess they could do it and let the drafted QB sit for a year (which is probably the smartest way to do things) but Wilsons cap hit basically cuts in half after this coming season.

    Even with a franchise QB involved the pieces have to be there for it to maybe be worth it. I still cant understand what Carolina did where they got rid of all their weapons, then got rid of their draft picks trading up, then starting Young right away like someone was trying to punish him for sleeping with their wife or something. It could make sense for the Vikings since they have the weapons already and a young one too with Addison. Ridder certainly isnt the guy in ATL either and could make sense maybe. Raiders and ATL probably end up in a worse position with a very very small window to win if thats the cost.

    Ultimately (&hopefully) it comes down to one of those later teams falling in love with Maye or Daniels or even MHJ and decide to pay the price to move up.

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

    Paying that to move up would be stupid for sure.

    Mac to the Jets I wouldnt do if I was the team, but hope it does happen for him. He could actually be good there. Hed sit foor a year behind Rodgers and they have the pieces just can never find a QB. Theyd basically be doing the Jets a favor

    Cousins will cost much more than that for the yearly, but the length probably works if its all guaranteed.

    Yeah,alot of the stuff getting talked about now with 2+months till the draft is just random hypotheticals. I'd pass on Mac for Wilson but I do like the idea of going with a FA QB for the short term,just not at top of the market salaries. Preferably,I'd love to see them find a vet QB somewhere in the 15M range. Moving Mac for a late pick would save them about 5M.
    This link below predicts that Mayfield (4M) & Brissett (8M) with more modest salaries then Tannehil (29M) & Cousins (35) much higher. Hell,I'd take quite a few of these players at those projected salaries lol.
    https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-free-agent-contract-predictions-salaries-top-players-bm06/

    Sidenote: is Michigan WR Roman Wilson considered a #1 type WR? I've been hearing his name alot on numerous Pats related Draft podcasts. its always with him taken somewhere in the 3rd round after they go QB then OL with the first two picks. I did see that he's 6' and just under 200lbs.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

    I came across this rumor link earlier mentioning the Falcons/Vikings as possible trade up targets and just figured that Denver
    & Las Vegas both need QBs too. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/02/patriots-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-team-expected-to-seek-mac-jones-trade

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay.
    It is but maybe not so much when a potential franchise QB is involved and depending on how badly that team wanting to move up really wants the guy. When a team really thinks that they found their guy,sometimes they're willing to pay the price to go get him. It worked for KC w/Mahomes but didn't work for Lance & the 49ers.

    Denver and Vegas both do, I think Denver might wait one more year though unless someone will trade for Wilson. I guess they could do it and let the drafted QB sit for a year (which is probably the smartest way to do things) but Wilsons cap hit basically cuts in half after this coming season.

    Even with a franchise QB involved the pieces have to be there for it to maybe be worth it. I still cant understand what Carolina did where they got rid of all their weapons, then got rid of their draft picks trading up, then starting Young right away like someone was trying to punish him for sleeping with their wife or something. It could make sense for the Vikings since they have the weapons already and a young one too with Addison. Ridder certainly isnt the guy in ATL either and could make sense maybe. Raiders and ATL probably end up in a worse position with a very very small window to win if thats the cost.

    Ultimately (&hopefully) it comes down to one of those later teams falling in love with Maye or Daniels or even MHJ and decide to pay the price to move up.

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

    Paying that to move up would be stupid for sure.

    Mac to the Jets I wouldnt do if I was the team, but hope it does happen for him. He could actually be good there. Hed sit foor a year behind Rodgers and they have the pieces just can never find a QB. Theyd basically be doing the Jets a favor

    Cousins will cost much more than that for the yearly, but the length probably works if its all guaranteed.

    Yeah,alot of the stuff getting talked about now with 2+months till the draft is just random hypotheticals. I'd pass on Mac for Wilson but I do like the idea of going with a FA QB for the short term,just not at top of the market salaries. Preferably,I'd love to see them find a vet QB somewhere in the 15M range. Moving Mac for a late pick would save them about 5M.
    This link below predicts that Mayfield (4M) & Brissett (8M) with more modest salaries then Tannehil (29M) & Cousins (35) much higher. Hell,I'd take quite a few of these players at those projected salaries lol.
    https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-free-agent-contract-predictions-salaries-top-players-bm06/

    Sidenote: is Michigan WR Roman Wilson considered a #1 type WR? I've been hearing his name alot on numerous Pats related Draft podcasts. its always with him taken somewhere in the 3rd round after they go QB then OL with the first two picks. I did see that he's 6' and just under 200lbs.

    As a fan of players more than teams (Chargers hope you lose until Spanos sells the team) I would like to see Mac traded somewhere. They do need to be careful with that though for where he goes. Clearly he needs to get out of there though.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Mayfield costed more than that or at least with a lot of incentives. He looked good this year and seems like it would be a bad move for him to go somewhere that will be difficult. Cousins would be the best if theyre trying to turn things around right away, trade down a couple spots for some more picks and it gets interesting.

    As far as Roman Wilson hes not even considered a top 10 WR in this draft much less an NFL #1. I would assume the podcasts are hoping for a diamond in the rough or just watched the playoffs where he benefited from a blown coverage. Michigan went 37 minutes without attempting a pass against Penn State, you just dont do that if you have a stud WR. If someone can make Wilson a #1 they deserve a massive raise

    Devontez Walker from UNC could still be there in the 3rd who was denied several games of the season because of the NCAA doing NCAA things with his transfer. Hes an interesting one that could end up being a steal later on. Would be even more interesting if they end up taking Maye pairing the QB and WR together like the Bengals and other teams have

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

    I came across this rumor link earlier mentioning the Falcons/Vikings as possible trade up targets and just figured that Denver
    & Las Vegas both need QBs too. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/02/patriots-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-team-expected-to-seek-mac-jones-trade

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay.
    It is but maybe not so much when a potential franchise QB is involved and depending on how badly that team wanting to move up really wants the guy. When a team really thinks that they found their guy,sometimes they're willing to pay the price to go get him. It worked for KC w/Mahomes but didn't work for Lance & the 49ers.

    Denver and Vegas both do, I think Denver might wait one more year though unless someone will trade for Wilson. I guess they could do it and let the drafted QB sit for a year (which is probably the smartest way to do things) but Wilsons cap hit basically cuts in half after this coming season.

    Even with a franchise QB involved the pieces have to be there for it to maybe be worth it. I still cant understand what Carolina did where they got rid of all their weapons, then got rid of their draft picks trading up, then starting Young right away like someone was trying to punish him for sleeping with their wife or something. It could make sense for the Vikings since they have the weapons already and a young one too with Addison. Ridder certainly isnt the guy in ATL either and could make sense maybe. Raiders and ATL probably end up in a worse position with a very very small window to win if thats the cost.

    Ultimately (&hopefully) it comes down to one of those later teams falling in love with Maye or Daniels or even MHJ and decide to pay the price to move up.

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

    Paying that to move up would be stupid for sure.

    Mac to the Jets I wouldnt do if I was the team, but hope it does happen for him. He could actually be good there. Hed sit foor a year behind Rodgers and they have the pieces just can never find a QB. Theyd basically be doing the Jets a favor

    Cousins will cost much more than that for the yearly, but the length probably works if its all guaranteed.

    Yeah,alot of the stuff getting talked about now with 2+months till the draft is just random hypotheticals. I'd pass on Mac for Wilson but I do like the idea of going with a FA QB for the short term,just not at top of the market salaries. Preferably,I'd love to see them find a vet QB somewhere in the 15M range. Moving Mac for a late pick would save them about 5M.
    This link below predicts that Mayfield (4M) & Brissett (8M) with more modest salaries then Tannehil (29M) & Cousins (35) much higher. Hell,I'd take quite a few of these players at those projected salaries lol.
    https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-free-agent-contract-predictions-salaries-top-players-bm06/

    Sidenote: is Michigan WR Roman Wilson considered a #1 type WR? I've been hearing his name alot on numerous Pats related Draft podcasts. its always with him taken somewhere in the 3rd round after they go QB then OL with the first two picks. I did see that he's 6' and just under 200lbs.

    As a fan of players more than teams (Chargers hope you lose until Spanos sells the team) I would like to see Mac traded somewhere. They do need to be careful with that though for where he goes. Clearly he needs to get out of there though.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Mayfield costed more than that or at least with a lot of incentives. He looked good this year and seems like it would be a bad move for him to go somewhere that will be difficult. Cousins would be the best if theyre trying to turn things around right away, trade down a couple spots for some more picks and it gets interesting.

    As far as Roman Wilson hes not even considered a top 10 WR in this draft much less an NFL #1. I would assume the podcasts are hoping for a diamond in the rough or just watched the playoffs where he benefited from a blown coverage. Michigan went 37 minutes without attempting a pass against Penn State, you just dont do that if you have a stud WR. If someone can make Wilson a #1 they deserve a massive raise

    Devontez Walker from UNC could still be there in the 3rd who was denied several games of the season because of the NCAA doing NCAA things with his transfer. Hes an interesting one that could end up being a steal later on. Would be even more interesting if they end up taking Maye pairing the QB and WR together like the Bengals and other teams have

    This NFLN 3 round mock has NE taking Walker with their 3rd rounder.
    https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-giants-snag-michigan-wr-roman-wilson-in-round-3
    The writer also has NE giving up #3,a 4th rounder and a conditional pick in 2025 to the Bears for Justin Fields and the 9th overall pick. Hell no lol Fields would be lucky to get a 4th on his own and NE has to give up #3? 🤣😂🤣

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2024 6:51PM

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    Any truth to the rumor that the pats are open to trading the 3rd pick?

    Its hard to believe all of the rumors out there right now but there's been numerous reports that the Krafts want to grab a QB with the pick. If some team comes offering multiple firsts plus other somewhat high picks then I'm all for trading down. I'd rather see them build their offense first then get a QB rather than the other way around.

    The funniest rumor right now would be them trading the 3rd to the Bears for Fields.

    That's not a rumor,that has to be a drunk Bears fan making crap up lol. You & I have a better chance of winning b2b Powerball lotteries than the Pats trading the #3 pick for Fields who was the 11th pick in his own draft.

    The only realistic Pats tradeback options that I've come across lately are Atlanta @7, Vikings@11, Broncos@12 and Raiders@13 where all four teams may try moving up for Daniels or Maye.
    With picks 11-13 NE could possibly be looking at three 1st rounders in a return (in 2021 Miami got 3 1sts for #11 from SF) will one of those teams decide to move up that high for their guy? 🤷‍♂️
    If NE gets that type of offer for #3 then they'd be crazy to turn it down,imo. Give me a decent FA QB then look for high end talent with those picks.

    Haha yea this is the time of year when reporters start just throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    If they did trade that pick for Fields everyone involved should be fired.

    If I was a QB I would be trying to figure out if I could get down to the Vikings with their WR core or hoping they traded up.

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay. Youd have to be dumb not to take that. Granted the Bears got Moore as well but even they for the #1 only got two extra 2nds and a 1st along with Moore.

    Vikings seem like the most likely to make the move if they like the price with what they have, they have probably the most interesting ways they could approach this draft though. Wilson is reportedly taking offers on his house in Denver so it looks like his time is coming to an end which isnt surprising.

    I'm still not 100% sold that Caleb will be the #1 pick no matter what

    I came across this rumor link earlier mentioning the Falcons/Vikings as possible trade up targets and just figured that Denver
    & Las Vegas both need QBs too. https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/02/patriots-open-to-trading-no-3-pick-team-expected-to-seek-mac-jones-trade

    2 extra first rounders in addition to the pick swap seems like a crazy high price to pay.
    It is but maybe not so much when a potential franchise QB is involved and depending on how badly that team wanting to move up really wants the guy. When a team really thinks that they found their guy,sometimes they're willing to pay the price to go get him. It worked for KC w/Mahomes but didn't work for Lance & the 49ers.

    Denver and Vegas both do, I think Denver might wait one more year though unless someone will trade for Wilson. I guess they could do it and let the drafted QB sit for a year (which is probably the smartest way to do things) but Wilsons cap hit basically cuts in half after this coming season.

    Even with a franchise QB involved the pieces have to be there for it to maybe be worth it. I still cant understand what Carolina did where they got rid of all their weapons, then got rid of their draft picks trading up, then starting Young right away like someone was trying to punish him for sleeping with their wife or something. It could make sense for the Vikings since they have the weapons already and a young one too with Addison. Ridder certainly isnt the guy in ATL either and could make sense maybe. Raiders and ATL probably end up in a worse position with a very very small window to win if thats the cost.

    Ultimately (&hopefully) it comes down to one of those later teams falling in love with Maye or Daniels or even MHJ and decide to pay the price to move up.

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

    Paying that to move up would be stupid for sure.

    Mac to the Jets I wouldnt do if I was the team, but hope it does happen for him. He could actually be good there. Hed sit foor a year behind Rodgers and they have the pieces just can never find a QB. Theyd basically be doing the Jets a favor

    Cousins will cost much more than that for the yearly, but the length probably works if its all guaranteed.

    Yeah,alot of the stuff getting talked about now with 2+months till the draft is just random hypotheticals. I'd pass on Mac for Wilson but I do like the idea of going with a FA QB for the short term,just not at top of the market salaries. Preferably,I'd love to see them find a vet QB somewhere in the 15M range. Moving Mac for a late pick would save them about 5M.
    This link below predicts that Mayfield (4M) & Brissett (8M) with more modest salaries then Tannehil (29M) & Cousins (35) much higher. Hell,I'd take quite a few of these players at those projected salaries lol.
    https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-free-agent-contract-predictions-salaries-top-players-bm06/

    Sidenote: is Michigan WR Roman Wilson considered a #1 type WR? I've been hearing his name alot on numerous Pats related Draft podcasts. its always with him taken somewhere in the 3rd round after they go QB then OL with the first two picks. I did see that he's 6' and just under 200lbs.

    As a fan of players more than teams (Chargers hope you lose until Spanos sells the team) I would like to see Mac traded somewhere. They do need to be careful with that though for where he goes. Clearly he needs to get out of there though.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Mayfield costed more than that or at least with a lot of incentives. He looked good this year and seems like it would be a bad move for him to go somewhere that will be difficult. Cousins would be the best if theyre trying to turn things around right away, trade down a couple spots for some more picks and it gets interesting.

    As far as Roman Wilson hes not even considered a top 10 WR in this draft much less an NFL #1. I would assume the podcasts are hoping for a diamond in the rough or just watched the playoffs where he benefited from a blown coverage. Michigan went 37 minutes without attempting a pass against Penn State, you just dont do that if you have a stud WR. If someone can make Wilson a #1 they deserve a massive raise

    Devontez Walker from UNC could still be there in the 3rd who was denied several games of the season because of the NCAA doing NCAA things with his transfer. Hes an interesting one that could end up being a steal later on. Would be even more interesting if they end up taking Maye pairing the QB and WR together like the Bengals and other teams have

    This NFLN 3 round mock has NE taking Walker with their 3rd rounder.
    https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-giants-snag-michigan-wr-roman-wilson-in-round-3
    The writer also has NE giving up #3,a 4th rounder and a conditional pick in 2025 to the Bears for Justin Fields and the 9th overall pick. Hell no lol Fields would be lucky to get a 4th on his own and NE has to give up #3? 🤣😂🤣

    That really makes no sense. If the Bears were dumb enough to do it where the Pats get the 1 okay, but 3 for 9 for Fields someone should be fired on that alone. Fields wouldnt be a first rounder in this draft and maybe not even a 2nd rounder.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2024 7:28PM

    I'd be very happy with the results of this 7round mock draft.
    https://www.profootballnetwork.com/cummings-7-round-2024-nfl-mock-draft-february-17/

    3 Drake Maye QB North Carolina

    34 Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU

    68 Devontez Walker WR North Carolina

    103 Ben Sinnott TE Kansas State

    135 Audric Estimé RB Notre Dame

    181 Willie Drew CB Virginia State

    190 Jaylon Carlies S Missouri

    228 Gabriel Murphy EDGE UCLA

    Not sure why the lettering was so big.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    I istened to a Pats Podcast earlier and one of the hosts proposed NE sending picks #3,34 & 68 to move up to #1 for Caleb Williams. Going off of the Walterfootball draft pick chart those three picks are equal to the 1st overall pick but I want no part of trading up and it has nothing to do with Caleb Williams.
    Its going to be hard enough filling out the offense around whoever the QB is that gets drafted at #3, not having that 2nd & 3rd rounder to use on a tackle & wide receiver would be a recipe for disaster.

    Someone also threw this hypothetical out there. the Pats send Mac to the Jets for Zach Wilson. Not as an alternative to skipping a QB at #3 but more as here's our problem for yours. I don't have any strong feelings either way but looking at their salaries for 2024, Zach counts for roughly 11M on the cap where Mac is around 5M.

    If NE is willing to spend that much on a backup then go get someone like Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy G, Minshew or go the route of signing one of Cousins,Mayfield or Tannehil to be starter but only if its at around 20-25M/yr for a year or two.
    Going with a vet for a short period of time means they could fill out their offense much quicker and even finding a QB they may like in the later rounds who could sit and develop for a year.

    Forget Jimmy G though, his combo of injury prone and poor play will probably push out of the league for good at this point

    Brisseett and Minshew are what they are but they are not Jimmy G which is fine

    I don't want to see them trading up to #1 and it has just as much to do with me not wanting anything to do with Caleb Williams as it does for reasons you mentioned

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2024 11:05AM

    Matt Slater officially retired today. Also looks like Lawrence Guy and Adrian Phillips just got released. These moves freed up another 5M in cap space putting them just over 75M. I also read that if they release cornerback JC Jackson they'd gain an additional 13M more in cap space.

    There's also a report that the salary cap which was expected to be 242M may end up as high as 250M. NE may end up with close to 90-100M in cap space when its all said and done.

    edit: for perspective in 2021 when NE handed out over 250M in contracts they only had roughly 68M in salary cap space.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    my gut tells me that the Patriots are going to draft Harrison and go get a veteran quarterback (Cousins?)

    here's my rationale: when you really want something to play out a certain way, it doesn't. i want MHJ to be Kyler's new playtoy. that would require the Bears to pass him up (check), Washington (check), anyone else who might trade up (check), and then there's the Patriots. they're going to upset me greatly on draft day, i can feel it coming.

    Malik Nabers would be a nice consolation prize, but I think Harrison has a chance to be better than his dad......and thus too irresistible for Mayo and Wolf.

    in the immortal words of stevek, we......shall......see

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    my gut tells me that the Patriots are going to draft Harrison and go get a veteran quarterback (Cousins?)

    here's my rationale: when you really want something to play out a certain way, it doesn't. i want MHJ to be Kyler's new playtoy. that would require the Bears to pass him up (check), Washington (check), anyone else who might trade up (check), and then there's the Patriots. they're going to upset me greatly on draft day, i can feel it coming.

    Malik Nabers would be a nice consolation prize, but I think Harrison has a chance to be better than his dad......and thus too irresistible for Mayo and Wolf.

    in the immortal words of stevek, we......shall......see

    Here is the frosting on that cupcake though

    Kraft will never pony up enough cash for Cousins or any other free Agent vet QB

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2024 11:38AM

    @galaxy27 said:
    my gut tells me that the Patriots are going to draft Harrison and go get a veteran quarterback (Cousins?)

    here's my rationale: when you really want something to play out a certain way, it doesn't. i want MHJ to be Kyler's new playtoy. that would require the Bears to pass him up (check), Washington (check), anyone else who might trade up (check), and then there's the Patriots. they're going to upset me greatly on draft day, i can feel it coming.

    Malik Nabers would be a nice consolation prize, but I think Harrison has a chance to be better than his dad......and thus too irresistible for Mayo and Wolf.

    in the immortal words of stevek, we......shall......see

    Honestly i'm all over the place with this pick. One day I want them to pick whichever Qb Maye or Daniels falls to them, then the next I want to see them grab MHJ and a bunch of players on offense after that.
    Then I read about there being numerous team wanting to land one of the top 3 QBs so a trade makes a ton of sense when you factor in all of their needs. My first choice would be get the picks and use them on as much high-end talent as possible.

    I have no clue what they're going to do but from everything that I've read about Elliot Wolf,the guy behind the scenes filling the role of GM, he's been considered a solid talent evaluator over the past 10 yrs for a few different teams. He also played a part in Cleveland drafting Baker Mayfield so we'll see if that
    bears fruit in free agency.

    AS for MHJ. over NE's history they've had very few superstar wide receivers with his talent and with players like Moss & Gronk on the field during Brady's run,the offense just went to another higher level. Just having that one guy that draws so much attention makes life easier for everyone on that side of the ball. I doubt that we see them draft a WR that high but if they do I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭✭

    If they were going to draft a WR it would make more sense to trade down a few spots and draft Nabers and accumulate the extra picks. Two high picks at the top of the second round in this draft would be huge.

    A WR at 3 is aggressive and wouldnt make sense for a team without a QB. They better have a trade for Kyler or a contract for Cousins already in place if they were going to do something like that.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2024 7:02PM

    @erikthredd said:
    Matt Slater officially retired today. Also looks like Lawrence Guy and Adrian Phillips just got released. These moves freed up another 5M in cap space putting them just over 75M. I also read that if they release cornerback JC Jackson they'd gain an additional 13M more in cap space.

    There's also a report that the salary cap which was expected to be 242M may end up as high as 250M. NE may end up with close to 90-100M in cap space when its all said and done.

    edit: for perspective in 2021 when NE handed out over 250M in contracts they only had roughly 68M in salary cap space.

    The NFL released the 2024 salary cap number and its 255M.
    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39584679/nfl-salary-cap-rises-306-million-record-2554-million-per-team

    With the new cap number set, NE's cap space is now up to 82.9M and relaesing JC Jackson would put them up to 95M. A couple other minor cuts and they'd be looking at 100+M in cap space.
    Make it happen Mayo! 😎

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The problem with this cap increase is that a lot of these teams are going to be able to resign players though, 85 million can be chewed up pretty quickly, they absolutely won't be able to plug all the holes this year.

    I'm still on the fence about their first pick, if they get multiple 1st rounders then I might be inclined to agree with moving it

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