We have to have Chris Jones back next year, when KC absolutely needed pressure on Purdy he brought it!
no doubt. he saved his team's bacon multiple times. without his pressure, Purdy would have connected on some big plays, including a touch to Deebo
congrats man
Thanks Galaxy! Congrats to grocery rack also hope we get some flannel shirt pictures in the coming days.
🥳🍺😛😆
I forgot congrats to the Count also! What a way to end the season. 😎
Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
@craig44 said:
Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
It was over the top and if I was Reid I would have told Kelce to sit on the bench or go the locker room, I understand the stress and moment but Kelce needed a quick time out to collect his thoughts and screw his head back on.
Now would you rather see a guy fired up like Kelce or a guy who has no emotions at all and just goes with the flow?
I'd take the fired up guy 10 out of 10 times but I would have put him in his place for bumping into me like that
Ok, just wanted to know that I wasn't thinking way wrong on this one. I Would have absolutely sent his tail end to the locker room. At least for the rest of the first half.
I wonder if Kelce is so angry because he can feel himself getting older/slowing down. He is coming off from his worst season in a long time. He seems to be good some games and disappears in other games.
I really have no idea what is going on inside his head. I know from an outsiders point of view, he has seemed pretty unhinged this year.
@craig44 said:
Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
I doubt if the Chiefs will levy a fine on him, but the league might.
The NFL of course has a zero tolerance with this behavior towards refs, and it should be the same towards coaches.
@craig44 said:
Ok, just wanted to know that I wasn't thinking way wrong on this one. I Would have absolutely sent his tail end to the locker room. At least for the rest of the first half.
I wonder if Kelce is so angry because he can feel himself getting older/slowing down. He is coming off from his worst season in a long time. He seems to be good some games and disappears in other games.
I really have no idea what is going on inside his head. I know from an outsiders point of view, he has seemed pretty unhinged this year.
Travis Kelce seems to be an intelligent individual. However he's been an emotional problem of sorts for a long time. Look at back when he got banned from his college team for I think it was a full season for drug use. They took away his scholarship and everything. He did comply with the reinstatement program and then was eventually allowed back on the team.
He's either just naturally "off" somewhat or has a bit of CTE, perhaps a touch of both. Likely a candidate for dementia at some point in his life. But no worries, he's got plenty of money for the finest nurses.
@craig44 said:
Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
It was over the top and if I was Reid I would have told Kelce to sit on the bench or go the locker room, I understand the stress and moment but Kelce needed a quick time out to collect his thoughts and screw his head back on.
Now would you rather see a guy fired up like Kelce or a guy who has no emotions at all and just goes with the flow?
I'd take the fired up guy 10 out of 10 times but I would have put him in his place for bumping into me like that
I'll take the fired up guy but not the shoving the head coach guy. That should be unacceptable.
@craig44 said:
Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
It was over the top and if I was Reid I would have told Kelce to sit on the bench or go the locker room, I understand the stress and moment but Kelce needed a quick time out to collect his thoughts and screw his head back on.
Now would you rather see a guy fired up like Kelce or a guy who has no emotions at all and just goes with the flow?
I'd take the fired up guy 10 out of 10 times but I would have put him in his place for bumping into me like that
I'll take the fired up guy but not the shoving the head coach guy. That should be unacceptable.
Agreed, but I absolutely would not have taken Kelce off the field for the rest of the game though. It's the Super Bowl and all hands on deck, I would have given him a solid time out on the bench for a bit thiugh
I agree with everyone about sitting Kelce. He really got into Reid's face and almost pushed him down, which is easily grounds for "go to the locker room", no matter who you think you are. I'd let him stew in there for a while, then bring him back. Stay focused on the prize and not piss off the coach. You cannot bump into the coach!!
A great game I thought, I was pulling for the 49ers, and really thought they had a good shot. Mahomes really got in gear when he needed to most. Any KC fans...congrats.
Can you imagine a player grabbing Bill Belichick like that? Not in a million years.
Frankly, that incident showed a lot of disrespect to Andy Reid. Which is shameful considering all that Reid has done for the Chiefs. But I guess perhaps Travis Kelce gets a pass from the team because Kelce is a star player and a bit weird to begin with. However we shall see how the league views it?
Yeah not a good look for Kelce, you have to show your head coach or even assistant coaches more respect. The thing is early in his career he would lose his temper like that and argue with refs or fight opposing players and get called for a lot of penalties. So after a few years he kind of toned it down and it seemed like he was growing up. Then it flared up again this year and it seems like he’s back to his old immature self.
Personally I think it would be a lot more fun to hang out and talk with his mom than him, she just seems a lot nicer.😄
@craig44 said:
Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
It was over the top and if I was Reid I would have told Kelce to sit on the bench or go the locker room, I understand the stress and moment but Kelce needed a quick time out to collect his thoughts and screw his head back on.
Now would you rather see a guy fired up like Kelce or a guy who has no emotions at all and just goes with the flow?
I'd take the fired up guy 10 out of 10 times but I would have put him in his place for bumping into me like that
I'll take the fired up guy but not the shoving the head coach guy. That should be unacceptable.
i think context is important here. what Kelce did was shocking, over the line and should never be condoned. but this happened during the game, fellas. zero chance of him being benched. if Reid had done that, they would have missed out on his 90+ receiving yards from that point forward and probably would have lost the Super Bowl as a result...........because Kelce was integral on those drives in the 4th and OT.
it's sports. it's the Super Bowl. one of the best tight ends in NFL history was pulled in the money zone on the sport's biggest stage and his emotions got the best of him. dude wanted to be in there so he could make a play and propel his team to the ultimately victory. it happens, especially with the best of the best. often times their drive and the way they are wired is what differentiates them from a garden-variety pro athlete. Michael Jordan once coldcocked Steve Kerr in the face and that's #545897543897 on the list of things people remember about him.
@galaxy27 said:
i think context is important here. what Kelce did was shocking, over the line and should never be condoned. but this happened during the game, fellas. zero chance of him being benched. if Reid had done that, they would have missed out on his 90+ receiving yards from that point forward and probably would have lost the Super Bowl as a result...........because Kelce was integral on those drives in the 4th and OT.
it's sports. it's the Super Bowl. one of the best tight ends in NFL history was pulled in the money zone on the sport's biggest stage and his emotions got the best of him. dude wanted to be in there so he could make a play and propel his team to the ultimately victory. it happens, especially with the best of the best. often times their drive and the way they are wired is what differentiates them from a garden-variety pro athlete. Michael Jordan once coldcocked Steve Kerr in the face and that's #545897543897 on the list of things people remember about him.
Exactly this. And its even more true given how bad the Chiefs WR core is. Kelce would have had to basically sucker punched Reid to get benched
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
Andy Reid did the right thing not benching him, it's the Super Bowl, Travis Kelce could have put me in the figure four leglock and I wouldn't have cared, we're winning this damn game.
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
@Hidhoe said:
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
@galaxy27 said:
i think context is important here. what Kelce did was shocking, over the line and should never be condoned. but this happened during the game, fellas. zero chance of him being benched. if Reid had done that, they would have missed out on his 90+ receiving yards from that point forward and probably would have lost the Super Bowl as a result...........because Kelce was integral on those drives in the 4th and OT.
it's sports. it's the Super Bowl. one of the best tight ends in NFL history was pulled in the money zone on the sport's biggest stage and his emotions got the best of him. dude wanted to be in there so he could make a play and propel his team to the ultimately victory. it happens, especially with the best of the best. often times their drive and the way they are wired is what differentiates them from a garden-variety pro athlete. Michael Jordan once coldcocked Steve Kerr in the face and that's #545897543897 on the list of things people remember about him.
Exactly this. And its even more true given how bad the Chiefs WR core is. Kelce would have had to basically sucker punched Reid to get benched
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
Reid would NEVER have gotten fired for benching Kelce. not in 100 years. BB benched his #1 CB the morning of the SB and lost said SB and did not get fired.
@Hidhoe said:
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
can you even imagine what would have happened had a player done this to Bill Parcells or Paul Brown or Vince Lombardi or any number of other coaches???
the more I think about Kelce's reaction here, the more egregious I feel it is.
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
@Hidhoe said:
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
can you even imagine what would have happened had a player done this to Bill Parcells or Paul Brown or Vince Lombardi or any number of other coaches???
Those coaches would have never put up with this ****.
Their players would have been ordered to the locker room immediately.
It’s a true embarrassment to Reid as much as it is to Kelce.
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
@doubledragon said:
Andy Reid did the right thing not benching him, it's the Super Bowl, Travis Kelce could have put me in the figure four leglock and I wouldn't have cared, we're winning this damn game.
Sadly there are many “coaches” in youth sports that feel like this too.
It’s shocking to see this allowed at the professional level.
@doubledragon said:
Andy Reid did the right thing not benching him, it's the Super Bowl, Travis Kelce could have put me in the figure four leglock and I wouldn't have cared, we're winning this damn game.
Sadly there are many “coaches” in youth sports that feel like this too.
It’s shocking to see this allowed at the professional level.
The professional level only means it's a business, High School football shows more fundamentals than pros in a lot of ways.
@Hidhoe said:
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
can you even imagine what would have happened had a player done this to Bill Parcells or Paul Brown or Vince Lombardi or any number of other coaches???
the more I think about Kelce's reaction here, the more egregious I feel it is.
Frankly, I can't recall an incident like this against any head coach in an NFL game. Not saying it's never happened, but I don't recall anything.
I do recall some "scraps" of sorts of players with assistant coaches during a game. But nothing terrible, no pushing, grabbing, etc, such as this. Head coaches I thought were supposed to be off limits to physical contact by players?
This incident is being blown way out of proportion, all of a sudden Travis Kelce is OJ Simpson, a wife beater and double murderer? He's a competitor, fired up in the Super Bowl. Andy Reid and Kelce have been together for a decade, they know their relationship better than any of us, and Reid was fine with it, he understands Kelce is a competitor and it's the Super Bowl. I like what Tom Brady said about it, he knows how it is.
Tom Brady said he didn't "mind seeing" Kelce's heated interaction with his head coach during Sunday's game, when the star tight end aggressively yelled at Reid before bumping him.
"There's always little family issues," Brady said on his "Let's Go!" podcast. "Of course, I don't mind seeing it. I was a part of a lot of those things. You're thinking, emotions are so high. You're definitely not centered and balanced. You're not in a meditative state at that point.
"You are fully determined to go after it and to win, so I think a lot of things that are said during the games, people should just let them fly off their back."
"I actually think Coach Reid handled it just awesome like he always does," Brady said. "He just said, 'I was a little off-balance and Travis is such a competitor and I just love that because it speaks to his leadership ability.' Some coaches would get so sensitive and all: ‘You embarrassed me that you did that.' You're a competitor, you're an athlete. You get out there and you have the credibility that Travis has, you've had that All-Pro experience and you've won Super Bowls, I know certain players that would die [if they] came off the field in those moments."
"It speaks to the self-confidence that Coach Reid has in himself, too. He doesn't take that personally at all. He doesn't look at that and feel like someone offended him. He takes it for what it is and doesn't make it more than it is and doesn't see it like someone's trying to belittle him. Travis is not trying to do any of those things. He's just trying to be fired up and stay in the moment."
@doubledragon Usually I am in lockstep with you man, but I have to disagree on this one. I cannot remember an instance of a player coming at a head coach that hot and then making contact to the point he almost fell down.
It can all be washed under the bridge because KC won, but I have a feeling things would be playing out much differently had the game gone the other way.
Completely agree. Travis and Andy have been together since 2013. They've been through "the wars" together. Their relationship is rock solid.
Travis was one of 3 players that Andy had address the team with a speech on the night before the Super Bowl, and he supposedly gave such an emotional speech that it brought players to tears, with observers that weren't players stating that it was the "best speech they'd ever heard in any setting." Travis is like an extension of Coach Reid in that locker room, often taking the young players under his tutelage.
Travis wants to win, he loves his coach, his coach loves him. The two guys give each other hip checks all of the time. Please recall the video after Kelce threw his helmet on the sideline (vs the Raiders, I believe) and one of the things everyone got worked up about then was Reid giving Kelce a bump as he ran back on the field. I laughed then. I laugh now.
These are 2 men that have put the work in, years of work together, to be Champions together.
Nothing to see here but whatever it is that snowflakes like to see.
@craig44 said: @doubledragon Usually I am in lockstep with you man, but I have to disagree on this one. I cannot remember an instance of a player coming at a head coach that hot and then making contact to the point he almost fell down.
It can all be washed under the bridge because KC won, but I have a feeling things would be playing out much differently had the game gone the other way.
Things would have played out differently had Kelce not seen any targets after that or had a crappy game, they won and Kelce led the team in receiving yards, had Kelce finished the game with 2 catches and they lost? Then trouble in paradise, winning tends to fix stuff otherwise
Completely agree. Travis and Andy have been together since 2013. They've been through "the wars" together. Their relationship is rock solid.
Travis was one of 3 players that Andy had address the team with a speech on the night before the Super Bowl, and he supposedly gave such an emotional speech that it brought players to tears, with observers that weren't players stating that it was the "best speech they'd ever heard in any setting." Travis is like an extension of Coach Reid in that locker room, often taking the young players under his tutelage.
Travis wants to win, he loves his coach, his coach loves him. The two guys give each other hip checks all of the time. Please recall the video after Kelce threw his helmet on the sideline (vs the Raiders, I believe) and one of the things everyone got worked up about then was Reid giving Kelce a bump as he ran back on the field. I laughed then. I laugh now.
These are 2 men that have put the work in, years of work together, to be Champions together.
Nothing to see here but whatever it is that snowflakes like to see.
Exactly, that's the relationship they have, they're fired up and they interact that way with each other during the heat of battle, they're competitors.
Nah, it was abhorrent behavior by a woefully immature player. That is a fact, and it shouldn't be excused or whitewashed.
One day Travis is going to be driving 85mph in a school zone, get stopped by a police officer, a physical altercation occurs, and Travis is going to then be in some very serious legal trouble.
Perhaps it will be something else like an altercation with his wife, neighbor, or whatever but it will be something. Maybe a good lawyer will get him out of it, like the clever lawyers did for OJ?
Oh for crying out loud, it's the heat of the battle, emotions run high. Should Gisele have feared being beat up by Tom Brady because he flipped out on Josh McDaniels or Bill O'Brien? No, of course not.
Players get fired up in these games, emotions run high, doesn't mean their bad or evil people.
Steve Young recounts the most upset he ever was on a football field
Steve Young led the 49ers to their fifth Super Bowl title in the 1994 season, but that doesn’t mean everything was smooth sailing.
The hall-of-fame quarterback recounted the most upset he’s ever been on a football field, when 49ers head coach George Seifert pulled him out of a game vs. the Eagles at Candlestick Park.
“I remember ’94…it’s early on and we’re getting crushed by the Eagles out of nowhere at home and George (Seifert) comes to Jerry (Rice) and I on the sideline and says ‘Look, we’re going to end this. We’re done, I’m pulling you out.’ I go, ‘Fine, fine, fine,’” Young began.
“So we go out for the next series and next thing I know, I’m watching Elvis Grbac come running on the field. And I don’t know what it was. I don’t know if it was the pent up years of frustration and anxiety I had with George and how he dealt with me..I don’t know. It was like, ‘This is the time?! I’m coming out because we’re down 40-8 and it’s me? Is this how this is going down?’ And I remember just flipping my lid, and I rarely — my kids will tell you — I rarely raise my voice. It’s hard to wind me up.
“I don’t know what it was about that moment but I had had it. And I went to the sidelines and I went after George and I was in his ear. I was saying things that I’ve never said to another human. I was looking for a fight, and I wanted to go to fists there, right now. So people were trying to hold me back but they didn’t want it to look like a big scene and I just wouldn’t let up. I give George so much credit, for just staring out, straight ahead and letting that wind just go by like nothing.
“So the game ends and I’m still lit up. I go, ‘I’m not leaving this stadium until he and I have it out! You tell him I’m not going anywhere!’ I stayed in the locker room, in the training room, ‘You tell him to come in here now!’ And what did George do? He got in his car and left!” (laughing)
“He let me just sit there stewed man. There was nothing worth breaking down there because the stadium was so old but I wanted to break everything I could see.”
The story of course has a happy ending. The 49ers would lose just one of their next 11 games, and were dominant in the postseason, destroying the Chargers 49-26 in the Super Bowl.
he supposedly gave such an emotional speech that it brought players to tears, with observers that weren't players stating that it was the "best speech they'd ever heard in any setting."
That is some serious hyperbole...
What Kelce did was definitely over the line but no head coach would bench their 2nd best offensive player for it during the Super Bowl no matter who the coach was.
I thought the Chiefs play calling in the red zone was very suspect and I can't blame Kelce for being frustrated with the coaches in that situation. Obviously, his reaction was wrong and way out of proportion but I would have been upset in his shoes as well.
I do think Kelce has anger control issues and it absolutely could impact the relationships he has with others. Believing otherwise is hopelessly naïve. Now does that mean he is a danger to someone he is dating? Most likely not but it is certainly a red flag.
@galaxy27 said:
i think context is important here. what Kelce did was shocking, over the line and should never be condoned. but this happened during the game, fellas. zero chance of him being benched. if Reid had done that, they would have missed out on his 90+ receiving yards from that point forward and probably would have lost the Super Bowl as a result...........because Kelce was integral on those drives in the 4th and OT.
it's sports. it's the Super Bowl. one of the best tight ends in NFL history was pulled in the money zone on the sport's biggest stage and his emotions got the best of him. dude wanted to be in there so he could make a play and propel his team to the ultimately victory. it happens, especially with the best of the best. often times their drive and the way they are wired is what differentiates them from a garden-variety pro athlete. Michael Jordan once coldcocked Steve Kerr in the face and that's #545897543897 on the list of things people remember about him.
Exactly this. And its even more true given how bad the Chiefs WR core is. Kelce would have had to basically sucker punched Reid to get benched
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
Reid would NEVER have gotten fired for benching Kelce. not in 100 years. BB benched his #1 CB the morning of the SB and lost said SB and did not get fired.
Thats a different situation with Bill.
If Reid benched Kelce and they lost and Mahomes was irate about it who do you think they will side with, their 400+ million dollar multiple MVP franchise QB or their coach. The answer is very easy there especially when all the media comes down on the decision.
That doesnt even get into the fact that Goddell was courting Taylor before the game etc.
You simply dont bench your best offensive receiver in the SB because he was pissed off he wasnt on the field. Id be more worried if he was happy to be on the bench
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
400+ million dollar multi MVP franchise QB. Thats how pro sports work. Coaches can be replaced, superstars are much harder. He absolutely has a say in things if he feels the need to have one. Take away his best weapon and it would be weird if he didnt speak up about even if its just privately.
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
A simple he plays or I dont and Kelce is back on the field
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
A simple he plays or I dont and Kelce is back on the field
And you think that would ever happen?
If so your out of your mind, if not then it's a mute point
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
A simple he plays or I dont and Kelce is back on the field
And you think that would ever happen?
If so your out of your mind, if not then it's a mute point
I dont think that situation would have happened because of the type of coach Reid is. What hasnt really been mentioned was how that situation shows what a good coach Reid is. He understood the situation and that it was a player fired up that wanted to be out there which is what you want from players and didnt make it about his own ego or act like a high school coach and bench a star for getting emotional wanting to be on the field.
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
A simple he plays or I dont and Kelce is back on the field
And you think that would ever happen?
If so your out of your mind, if not then it's a mute point
I dont think that situation would have happened because of the type of coach Reid is. What hasnt really been mentioned was how that situation shows what a good coach Reid is. He understood the situation and that it was a player fired up that wanted to be out there which is what you want from players and didnt make it about his own ego or act like a high school coach and bench a star for getting emotional wanting to be on the field.
I see that side of it. And remember I'm not all that shocked by what happened, I also think it would have been fine if he told Kelce to take a seat for a play or 2,
I'm all for emotions and getting fired up, Reid has thrown a shoulder into Kelce before so maybe that's their thing and they both know it or Reid might have felt that Kelce owed him one who knows.
Reid is loved by his guys, I mean there isn't a whole lot not to like about the guy.
All that being said Reid runs the team, Reid ordered Mahomes to take a seat to protect him from himself when he got hurt last year, Mahomes flipped out but Reid held strong, he is the boss
@Hidhoe said:
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
I think he needs to be fined and suspended by the NFL and the team. Not doing anything sends a message that it is tolerated in the NFL .
@Basebal21 said:
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
A simple he plays or I dont and Kelce is back on the field
And you think that would ever happen?
If so your out of your mind, if not then it's a mute point
I dont think that situation would have happened because of the type of coach Reid is. What hasnt really been mentioned was how that situation shows what a good coach Reid is. He understood the situation and that it was a player fired up that wanted to be out there which is what you want from players and didnt make it about his own ego or act like a high school coach and bench a star for getting emotional wanting to be on the field.
I see that side of it. And remember I'm not all that shocked by what happened, I also think it would have been fine if he told Kelce to take a seat for a play or 2,
I'm all for emotions and getting fired up, Reid has thrown a shoulder into Kelce before so maybe that's their thing and they both know it or Reid might have felt that Kelce owed him one who knows.
Reid is loved by his guys, I mean there isn't a whole lot not to like about the guy.
All that being said Reid runs the team, Reid ordered Mahomes to take a seat to protect him from himself when he got hurt last year, Mahomes flipped out but Reid held strong, he is the boss
I agree that he is and Mahomes doesnt use the power he could if needed too because of how Reid coaches and how much he is liked. Its one thing to bench a star in a regular season game knowing the team has bigger aspirations, it would be another in the middle of a SB where you have an off season to figure things out if theres even anything to figure out.
I give a lot of credit to Reid for just brushing it off and seeing the bigger picture being a great coach. That situation could have easily gotten out of control and he made it irrelevant
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After the game Mahomes wanted everyone to know the Kansas City Chiefs are never underdogs. 🥳
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We have to have Chris Jones back next year, when KC absolutely needed pressure on Purdy he brought it!
That SF team is tough to beat so this one really feels good.
It’s a dynasty boys and it can’t even be argued now.🍺
no doubt. he saved his team's bacon multiple times. without his pressure, Purdy would have connected on some big plays, including a touch to Deebo
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I forgot congrats to the Count also! What a way to end the season. 😎
Congrats to @Darin and the Chiefs. An official dynasty!!!!
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Something I wanted to bring up was Kelce's bump, hit, whatever you want to call it on Reid. To me, it seemed WAY over the line. I understand being upset and the passion of the game, but I think Travis went way over the line making contact with his HC. Travis comes across as chill, but I have noticed him having a lot of anger this season. helmet throwing etc.
Am I off base? Did I see it wrong? Would this be a big story had the game gone the other way?
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It was over the top and if I was Reid I would have told Kelce to sit on the bench or go the locker room, I understand the stress and moment but Kelce needed a quick time out to collect his thoughts and screw his head back on.
Now would you rather see a guy fired up like Kelce or a guy who has no emotions at all and just goes with the flow?
I'd take the fired up guy 10 out of 10 times but I would have put him in his place for bumping into me like that
Ok, just wanted to know that I wasn't thinking way wrong on this one. I Would have absolutely sent his tail end to the locker room. At least for the rest of the first half.
I wonder if Kelce is so angry because he can feel himself getting older/slowing down. He is coming off from his worst season in a long time. He seems to be good some games and disappears in other games.
I really have no idea what is going on inside his head. I know from an outsiders point of view, he has seemed pretty unhinged this year.
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I doubt if the Chiefs will levy a fine on him, but the league might.
The NFL of course has a zero tolerance with this behavior towards refs, and it should be the same towards coaches.
Travis Kelce seems to be an intelligent individual. However he's been an emotional problem of sorts for a long time. Look at back when he got banned from his college team for I think it was a full season for drug use. They took away his scholarship and everything. He did comply with the reinstatement program and then was eventually allowed back on the team.
He's either just naturally "off" somewhat or has a bit of CTE, perhaps a touch of both. Likely a candidate for dementia at some point in his life. But no worries, he's got plenty of money for the finest nurses.
I'll take the fired up guy but not the shoving the head coach guy. That should be unacceptable.
Agreed, but I absolutely would not have taken Kelce off the field for the rest of the game though. It's the Super Bowl and all hands on deck, I would have given him a solid time out on the bench for a bit thiugh
I agree with everyone about sitting Kelce. He really got into Reid's face and almost pushed him down, which is easily grounds for "go to the locker room", no matter who you think you are. I'd let him stew in there for a while, then bring him back. Stay focused on the prize and not piss off the coach. You cannot bump into the coach!!
A great game I thought, I was pulling for the 49ers, and really thought they had a good shot. Mahomes really got in gear when he needed to most. Any KC fans...congrats.
Note to Swifite...your BF has anger issues!!
Can you imagine a player grabbing Bill Belichick like that? Not in a million years.
Frankly, that incident showed a lot of disrespect to Andy Reid. Which is shameful considering all that Reid has done for the Chiefs. But I guess perhaps Travis Kelce gets a pass from the team because Kelce is a star player and a bit weird to begin with. However we shall see how the league views it?
Yeah not a good look for Kelce, you have to show your head coach or even assistant coaches more respect. The thing is early in his career he would lose his temper like that and argue with refs or fight opposing players and get called for a lot of penalties. So after a few years he kind of toned it down and it seemed like he was growing up. Then it flared up again this year and it seems like he’s back to his old immature self.
Personally I think it would be a lot more fun to hang out and talk with his mom than him, she just seems a lot nicer.😄
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i think context is important here. what Kelce did was shocking, over the line and should never be condoned. but this happened during the game, fellas. zero chance of him being benched. if Reid had done that, they would have missed out on his 90+ receiving yards from that point forward and probably would have lost the Super Bowl as a result...........because Kelce was integral on those drives in the 4th and OT.
it's sports. it's the Super Bowl. one of the best tight ends in NFL history was pulled in the money zone on the sport's biggest stage and his emotions got the best of him. dude wanted to be in there so he could make a play and propel his team to the ultimately victory. it happens, especially with the best of the best. often times their drive and the way they are wired is what differentiates them from a garden-variety pro athlete. Michael Jordan once coldcocked Steve Kerr in the face and that's #545897543897 on the list of things people remember about him.
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Exactly this. And its even more true given how bad the Chiefs WR core is. Kelce would have had to basically sucker punched Reid to get benched
Had Reid benched him and they lost that would have been a borderline if not fireable offense and fans would have been going crazy over the decision. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Mahomes would have immediately overridden the decision and said Kelce is playing
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Andy Reid did the right thing not benching him, it's the Super Bowl, Travis Kelce could have put me in the figure four leglock and I wouldn't have cared, we're winning this damn game.
This is absolutely uncalled for, disrespectful, and you would have never ever seen this years ago in the NFL. Respect for authority continues to go to **** in this country.
Has he issued a public apology yet ?
If I’m Taylor’s dad then he knows that this **** will come at his daughter sooner or later.
Oh, the pearl clutching...
Travis "OJ" Kelce. 😉
Reid would NEVER have gotten fired for benching Kelce. not in 100 years. BB benched his #1 CB the morning of the SB and lost said SB and did not get fired.
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can you even imagine what would have happened had a player done this to Bill Parcells or Paul Brown or Vince Lombardi or any number of other coaches???
the more I think about Kelce's reaction here, the more egregious I feel it is.
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How does Mahomes have the authority to override ANY decision by the head coach?
Those coaches would have never put up with this ****.
Their players would have been ordered to the locker room immediately.
It’s a true embarrassment to Reid as much as it is to Kelce.
He doesn't
Sure Mahomes opinion matters but he simply cannot override Reid
Sadly there are many “coaches” in youth sports that feel like this too.
It’s shocking to see this allowed at the professional level.
The professional level only means it's a business, High School football shows more fundamentals than pros in a lot of ways.
Tackling for one
Frankly, I can't recall an incident like this against any head coach in an NFL game. Not saying it's never happened, but I don't recall anything.
I do recall some "scraps" of sorts of players with assistant coaches during a game. But nothing terrible, no pushing, grabbing, etc, such as this. Head coaches I thought were supposed to be off limits to physical contact by players?
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This incident is being blown way out of proportion, all of a sudden Travis Kelce is OJ Simpson, a wife beater and double murderer? He's a competitor, fired up in the Super Bowl. Andy Reid and Kelce have been together for a decade, they know their relationship better than any of us, and Reid was fine with it, he understands Kelce is a competitor and it's the Super Bowl. I like what Tom Brady said about it, he knows how it is.
Tom Brady said he didn't "mind seeing" Kelce's heated interaction with his head coach during Sunday's game, when the star tight end aggressively yelled at Reid before bumping him.
"There's always little family issues," Brady said on his "Let's Go!" podcast. "Of course, I don't mind seeing it. I was a part of a lot of those things. You're thinking, emotions are so high. You're definitely not centered and balanced. You're not in a meditative state at that point.
"You are fully determined to go after it and to win, so I think a lot of things that are said during the games, people should just let them fly off their back."
"I actually think Coach Reid handled it just awesome like he always does," Brady said. "He just said, 'I was a little off-balance and Travis is such a competitor and I just love that because it speaks to his leadership ability.' Some coaches would get so sensitive and all: ‘You embarrassed me that you did that.' You're a competitor, you're an athlete. You get out there and you have the credibility that Travis has, you've had that All-Pro experience and you've won Super Bowls, I know certain players that would die [if they] came off the field in those moments."
"It speaks to the self-confidence that Coach Reid has in himself, too. He doesn't take that personally at all. He doesn't look at that and feel like someone offended him. He takes it for what it is and doesn't make it more than it is and doesn't see it like someone's trying to belittle him. Travis is not trying to do any of those things. He's just trying to be fired up and stay in the moment."
@doubledragon Usually I am in lockstep with you man, but I have to disagree on this one. I cannot remember an instance of a player coming at a head coach that hot and then making contact to the point he almost fell down.
It can all be washed under the bridge because KC won, but I have a feeling things would be playing out much differently had the game gone the other way.
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Completely agree. Travis and Andy have been together since 2013. They've been through "the wars" together. Their relationship is rock solid.
Travis was one of 3 players that Andy had address the team with a speech on the night before the Super Bowl, and he supposedly gave such an emotional speech that it brought players to tears, with observers that weren't players stating that it was the "best speech they'd ever heard in any setting." Travis is like an extension of Coach Reid in that locker room, often taking the young players under his tutelage.
Travis wants to win, he loves his coach, his coach loves him. The two guys give each other hip checks all of the time. Please recall the video after Kelce threw his helmet on the sideline (vs the Raiders, I believe) and one of the things everyone got worked up about then was Reid giving Kelce a bump as he ran back on the field. I laughed then. I laugh now.
These are 2 men that have put the work in, years of work together, to be Champions together.
Nothing to see here but whatever it is that snowflakes like to see.
Things would have played out differently had Kelce not seen any targets after that or had a crappy game, they won and Kelce led the team in receiving yards, had Kelce finished the game with 2 catches and they lost? Then trouble in paradise, winning tends to fix stuff otherwise
Exactly, that's the relationship they have, they're fired up and they interact that way with each other during the heat of battle, they're competitors.
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Nah, it was abhorrent behavior by a woefully immature player. That is a fact, and it shouldn't be excused or whitewashed.
One day Travis is going to be driving 85mph in a school zone, get stopped by a police officer, a physical altercation occurs, and Travis is going to then be in some very serious legal trouble.
Perhaps it will be something else like an altercation with his wife, neighbor, or whatever but it will be something. Maybe a good lawyer will get him out of it, like the clever lawyers did for OJ?
Oh for crying out loud, it's the heat of the battle, emotions run high. Should Gisele have feared being beat up by Tom Brady because he flipped out on Josh McDaniels or Bill O'Brien? No, of course not.
Players get fired up in these games, emotions run high, doesn't mean their bad or evil people.
Steve Young recounts the most upset he ever was on a football field
Steve Young led the 49ers to their fifth Super Bowl title in the 1994 season, but that doesn’t mean everything was smooth sailing.
The hall-of-fame quarterback recounted the most upset he’s ever been on a football field, when 49ers head coach George Seifert pulled him out of a game vs. the Eagles at Candlestick Park.
“I remember ’94…it’s early on and we’re getting crushed by the Eagles out of nowhere at home and George (Seifert) comes to Jerry (Rice) and I on the sideline and says ‘Look, we’re going to end this. We’re done, I’m pulling you out.’ I go, ‘Fine, fine, fine,’” Young began.
“So we go out for the next series and next thing I know, I’m watching Elvis Grbac come running on the field. And I don’t know what it was. I don’t know if it was the pent up years of frustration and anxiety I had with George and how he dealt with me..I don’t know. It was like, ‘This is the time?! I’m coming out because we’re down 40-8 and it’s me? Is this how this is going down?’ And I remember just flipping my lid, and I rarely — my kids will tell you — I rarely raise my voice. It’s hard to wind me up.
“I don’t know what it was about that moment but I had had it. And I went to the sidelines and I went after George and I was in his ear. I was saying things that I’ve never said to another human. I was looking for a fight, and I wanted to go to fists there, right now. So people were trying to hold me back but they didn’t want it to look like a big scene and I just wouldn’t let up. I give George so much credit, for just staring out, straight ahead and letting that wind just go by like nothing.
“So the game ends and I’m still lit up. I go, ‘I’m not leaving this stadium until he and I have it out! You tell him I’m not going anywhere!’ I stayed in the locker room, in the training room, ‘You tell him to come in here now!’ And what did George do? He got in his car and left!” (laughing)
“He let me just sit there stewed man. There was nothing worth breaking down there because the stadium was so old but I wanted to break everything I could see.”
The story of course has a happy ending. The 49ers would lose just one of their next 11 games, and were dominant in the postseason, destroying the Chargers 49-26 in the Super Bowl.
he supposedly gave such an emotional speech that it brought players to tears, with observers that weren't players stating that it was the "best speech they'd ever heard in any setting."
That is some serious hyperbole...
What Kelce did was definitely over the line but no head coach would bench their 2nd best offensive player for it during the Super Bowl no matter who the coach was.
I thought the Chiefs play calling in the red zone was very suspect and I can't blame Kelce for being frustrated with the coaches in that situation. Obviously, his reaction was wrong and way out of proportion but I would have been upset in his shoes as well.
I do think Kelce has anger control issues and it absolutely could impact the relationships he has with others. Believing otherwise is hopelessly naïve. Now does that mean he is a danger to someone he is dating? Most likely not but it is certainly a red flag.
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If Taylor is seen in public with a black eye, she will say to her star worshipping fans that's it's her new look...the black eye look.
Suddenly millions of copycat Swifties will be walking around with black eye make-up. 😆
Thats a different situation with Bill.
If Reid benched Kelce and they lost and Mahomes was irate about it who do you think they will side with, their 400+ million dollar multiple MVP franchise QB or their coach. The answer is very easy there especially when all the media comes down on the decision.
That doesnt even get into the fact that Goddell was courting Taylor before the game etc.
You simply dont bench your best offensive receiver in the SB because he was pissed off he wasnt on the field. Id be more worried if he was happy to be on the bench
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400+ million dollar multi MVP franchise QB. Thats how pro sports work. Coaches can be replaced, superstars are much harder. He absolutely has a say in things if he feels the need to have one. Take away his best weapon and it would be weird if he didnt speak up about even if its just privately.
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A simple he plays or I dont and Kelce is back on the field
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And you think that would ever happen?
If so your out of your mind, if not then it's a mute point
I dont think that situation would have happened because of the type of coach Reid is. What hasnt really been mentioned was how that situation shows what a good coach Reid is. He understood the situation and that it was a player fired up that wanted to be out there which is what you want from players and didnt make it about his own ego or act like a high school coach and bench a star for getting emotional wanting to be on the field.
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I see that side of it. And remember I'm not all that shocked by what happened, I also think it would have been fine if he told Kelce to take a seat for a play or 2,
I'm all for emotions and getting fired up, Reid has thrown a shoulder into Kelce before so maybe that's their thing and they both know it or Reid might have felt that Kelce owed him one who knows.
Reid is loved by his guys, I mean there isn't a whole lot not to like about the guy.
All that being said Reid runs the team, Reid ordered Mahomes to take a seat to protect him from himself when he got hurt last year, Mahomes flipped out but Reid held strong, he is the boss
I think he needs to be fined and suspended by the NFL and the team. Not doing anything sends a message that it is tolerated in the NFL .
I agree that he is and Mahomes doesnt use the power he could if needed too because of how Reid coaches and how much he is liked. Its one thing to bench a star in a regular season game knowing the team has bigger aspirations, it would be another in the middle of a SB where you have an off season to figure things out if theres even anything to figure out.
I give a lot of credit to Reid for just brushing it off and seeing the bigger picture being a great coach. That situation could have easily gotten out of control and he made it irrelevant
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