In the field of sports History, Tradition, Rivalry, Loyalty and viewing one's college days as somehow so special that it will play a central role in the 50-60 years of your life after you graduate appear to be on the wane (the same can be said for politics, government (national, state and local); religion, employment and "family".
Society today is different than is was in prior years and decades.
Money and the pursuit of same is a contributing factor that drives societal changes; as is the meteoric developments in communications and computer technology. Society is becoming evermore global and interconnected. Whether this is good or bad is above my pay grade.
The PAC 12 is on its way out, Other conferences will get bigger by taking in former PAC 12 schools; however those conferences will not stay static. They will also change in the future (maybe a decade from now there will only be the SEC and the BIG 10, comprised of select schools across the USA whose athletic programs will be able to generate continuing revenue streams that will meet the minimum requirements of the folks who make the decisions for the SEC and BIG 10).
All schools who are not able to meet the requirements to be members of the SEC and BIG 10 will be also rans who will compete against other riff-raff schools for crumbs.
@coinkat said:
What has happened and continues to happen is just plan wrong- it is nothing more than a money grab
The Pac 4 has no one to blame but themselves. Just over a decade ago Texas and Oklahoma wanted to join, tow of the top earning more coveted programs in the country and the PAC thought they were beneath them and said no. Scott deserves a ton of blame but so does Kliavkoff Standford and Cal. When Texas and Oklahoma left for the SEC there was legitimate momentum to combing with the Big 12. Stanford and Cal are very against being in a conference with a religious school and the Big 12 wasnt going to leave TCU and Baylor behind. So the Big 12 went and got the best G5 options solidified the conference and got a real TV deal while the PAC had no options and presented the schools with a pathetic media deal. The schools would have to have been crazy not to leave if they had an option. Even the bad ACC deal is significantly better than what Kliavkoff presented the conference
@SanctionII said:
In the field of sports History, Tradition, Rivalry, Loyalty and viewing one's college days as somehow so special that it will play a central role in the 50-60 years of your life after you graduate appear to be on the wane (the same can be said for politics, government (national, state and local); religion, employment and "family".
Society today is different than is was in prior years and decades.
Money and the pursuit of same is a contributing factor that drives societal changes; as is the meteoric developments in communications and computer technology. Society is becoming evermore global and interconnected. Whether this is good or bad is above my pay grade.
The PAC 12 is on its way out, Other conferences will get bigger by taking in former PAC 12 schools; however those conferences will not stay static. They will also change in the future (maybe a decade from now there will only be the SEC and the BIG 10, comprised of select schools across the USA whose athletic programs will be able to generate continuing revenue streams that will meet the minimum requirements of the folks who make the decisions for the SEC and BIG 10).
All schools who are not able to meet the requirements to be members of the SEC and BIG 10 will be also rans who will compete against other riff-raff schools for crumbs.
The Pac 4 isnt necessarily gone, at least in name. They could merge with the Mountain West and just keep calling it the Pac 12. Im not sure the name really has any value left though and they certainly are done as a Power 5 conference.
There is a lot of talk that eventually the SEC, B1G, and Big 12 will break off and do their own thing. That probably will happen at some point but it doesnt look like anytime soon. Sankey is currently the most powerful commissioner and he wants to stay in the NCAA. The others wouldnt leave without the SEC
There will be changes though when they discuss the next playoff contract. The Pac 4s automatic bid for its champion will certainly be gone and it will be interesting if they give it to someone else or just have it as an at large spot
Crazy to think that if things stay the way they are, next year we will see one of these four teams in the playoffs with an automatic bid, Washington state, Stanford, Oregon state, or California.
There is also a rumor that the BIG 10 is trying to make a deal with Notre Dame.
Crazy to think that if things stay the way they are, next year we will see one of these four teams in the playoffs with an automatic bid, Washington state, Stanford, Oregon state, or California.
There is also a rumor that the BIG 10 is trying to make a deal with Notre Dame.
The B1G has been trying to make a deal with ND for years. ND has their pick of conferences
As far as the PAC 4 goes they dont have an automatic bid anymore. You have to have 6 teams minimum to be considered a real conference and the rest arent going to allow a 4 team conference to get an auto bid
Crazy to think that if things stay the way they are, next year we will see one of these four teams in the playoffs with an automatic bid, Washington state, Stanford, Oregon state, or California.
There is also a rumor that the BIG 10 is trying to make a deal with Notre Dame.
The B1G has been trying to make a deal with ND for years.
I know. But the current rumor is a ACC type of deal that ND has had with them for the past several years.
Crazy to think that if things stay the way they are, next year we will see one of these four teams in the playoffs with an automatic bid, Washington state, Stanford, Oregon state, or California.
There is also a rumor that the BIG 10 is trying to make a deal with Notre Dame.
The B1G has been trying to make a deal with ND for years.
I know. But the current rumor is a ACC type of deal that ND has had with them for the past several years.
Theyre in the ACC for basically everything besides football where they will remain independent. None of the power 4 are going to let them join and have their own TV deal. The SEC doesnt really even have interest in them (their targets are in the ACC) and ND isnt interested in having to play an SEC schedule. The Big 12 TV deal while good isnt enough to get them to join, theres no chance they sign the terrible ACC deal that has 13 years left on it.
They basically hate the B1G and have a big grudge against them that theyve had for decades. They tried to apply for membership decades ago more than once and were denied everytime and have had a grudge ever since. Its one of the reasons they reject the B!Gs offers everytime now. They will stay independent as long as possible which will likely be years if not decades.
Theres really only two things that would force ND into a conference for football. The power 4 telling their teams they arent allowed to play them anymore which would kill the TV offers for ND, or changing the playoffs where you have to be in a conference to be eligible for the playoffs. Neither is likely anytime soon but could happen.
The B1G isnt going to let them join unless football does as well. They're there for Ice Hockey, but thats really more a necessity than a desire given that the B1G is really the only Power 4 conference that plays hockey just like the ACC is really the only Power 4 conference that plays lacrosse.
@4for4 said:
Looking forward to seeing how Colorado does at TCU. Prime Time under the microscope. Tough first game for him.
Im not sure we really learn anything from that game. TCU has a ton of questions with how much they lost to the draft and then lost their OC as well. Most things have them at like the 6-8 win range at best. 9 or 10 would be an amazing season for them.
Colorado theyre more likely to win 1 or 2 games than 3 or 4. 4 would be a very good year with what they started with and a bowl game would be incredible unless the PAC 4 is just hot garbage in their final year.
Deion did well in the portal for a team coming off 1 win last year, but he didnt kill it. Basically everyone on the team is a 3 star. With how 4 stars get limited yea some could be 4 star worthy but in their videos they put out its clear some guys are much better than others to the point that its more than it should be.
They also lost their best WR, TE, and D lineman after their spring game. The TE is probably going to have to sit out the year being his second transfer and the NCAA cracking down on that denying they all, but they all saw the spring game and decided to leave
If TCU smokes them by 40 we know Colorado is bad again but not necessarily that TCU is good. Same thing goes the other way. Thats just a must win game but itll take some more time to figure out level either team is at
@4for4 said:
Looking forward to seeing how Colorado does at TCU. Prime Time under the microscope. Tough first game for him.
Im not sure we really learn anything from that game. TCU has a ton of questions with how much they lost to the draft and then lost their OC as well. Most things have them at like the 6-8 win range at best. 9 or 10 would be an amazing season for them.
Colorado theyre more likely to win 1 or 2 games than 3 or 4. 4 would be a very good year with what they started with and a bowl game would be incredible unless the PAC 4 is just hot garbage in their final year.
Deion did well in the portal for a team coming off 1 win last year, but he didnt kill it. Basically everyone on the team is a 3 star. With how 4 stars get limited yea some could be 4 star worthy but in their videos they put out its clear some guys are much better than others to the point that its more than it should be.
They also lost their best WR, TE, and D lineman after their spring game. The TE is probably going to have to sit out the year being his second transfer and the NCAA cracking down on that denying they all, but they all saw the spring game and decided to leave
If TCU smokes them by 40 we know Colorado is bad again but not necessarily that TCU is good. Same thing goes the other way. Thats just a must win game but itll take some more time to figure out level either team is at
This is an interesting perspective on 3 star athletes.
@4for4 said:
Looking forward to seeing how Colorado does at TCU. Prime Time under the microscope. Tough first game for him.
Im not sure we really learn anything from that game. TCU has a ton of questions with how much they lost to the draft and then lost their OC as well. Most things have them at like the 6-8 win range at best. 9 or 10 would be an amazing season for them.
Colorado theyre more likely to win 1 or 2 games than 3 or 4. 4 would be a very good year with what they started with and a bowl game would be incredible unless the PAC 4 is just hot garbage in their final year.
Deion did well in the portal for a team coming off 1 win last year, but he didnt kill it. Basically everyone on the team is a 3 star. With how 4 stars get limited yea some could be 4 star worthy but in their videos they put out its clear some guys are much better than others to the point that its more than it should be.
They also lost their best WR, TE, and D lineman after their spring game. The TE is probably going to have to sit out the year being his second transfer and the NCAA cracking down on that denying they all, but they all saw the spring game and decided to leave
If TCU smokes them by 40 we know Colorado is bad again but not necessarily that TCU is good. Same thing goes the other way. Thats just a must win game but itll take some more time to figure out level either team is at
This is an interesting perspective on 3 star athletes.
The key to it is at the end about how 4 and 5 stars are limited. I wish they would change that about the system where only a x percentage of a recruiting class can be a 5 star and only a y percentage can be a 4 star. I cant remember the actual percentages for it. Kickers are limited to 3 stars with the occasional 4 because they dont want to waste one of those spots on kickers. Georgia signed the number 1 ranked kicker he was three stars, any other position he would have been a 5 star. Just give the player the amount of stars they are deserving of, if a class happens to be loaded then its loaded
Its not that 3 stars arent good players and arent important everyone recruits them, but no team has won the National Championship without more than 50% of their roster being composed of 4 and 5 stars. They arent perfect with the rankings and some positions it matters more than others. A 3 and 5 star RB other than a couple guys wont have a massive difference, but a LT or WR will. 5 star QBs only hit at like a 50 percent rate, but WRs are in like the 70 or 80s percentage for players that work out.
@coolstanley said:
1st full week of the season starts in 2 weeks from this Thursday. Some key games.
Florida @ Utah
Ohio State @ Indiana
Boise State @ Washington
North Carolina @ South Carolina
West Virginia @ Penn State
LSU @ Florida State
Navy @ Notre Dame is August 26(Saturday) week zero
How is OSU vs Indiana a key game? OSU could leave every starter at home and still dominate that game. They have serious issues if the game is close and if they somehow lost it some coaches would likely be fired on the spot.
Washington shouldnt have any issue with Boise either if they actually are as good as theyre being hyped up to be. I think theyre highly overrated and would love an upset there.
UNC USC has the potential to be a basketball score depending on what Rattler shows up. So of course it will probably be a low scoring defensive battle lol.
Florida is better than Utah, but Utah is never fun to go to and theres some serious questions about Napier as a coach. Rising very likely isnt going to be playing though as he is still limited participating coming off the ACL surgery. Given he loved to run hes very likely not going to be the same even if he does play so theres big questions for Utah too.
Penn State should handle WVU easily if theyre what theyre supposed to be. Unfortunately Hartman is probably going to torch Navy to since Navy has fallen off a cliff. Going across the pond for the game could change things so hopefully its interesting.
LSU FSU definitely takes the cake. Playoff implications in this one. A loss wont eliminate either team, but theyd likely have to run the table after that which would be much more difficult for LSU. FSU has Clemson week 4 but if they get out of the first 4 3-1 or better they should be be able to run the table from there unless FL is significantly improved with a new QB. LSU has what should be a very rough November and needs to be entering that undefeated
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I had a nice dinner with my long-time friend in the athletic department. We talked at length about conference realignment, the future of college athletics based on what is currently known, and some inside conversations happening between athletic departments. I'm just going to share what is relevant to everyone.
1: Clemson and Florida State are waiting for the "signal" to leave. I don't know when that signal will be sent. The signal is essentially the Big Ten and the network partners telling Florida State and Clemson that they are ready to add a southern swing of schools. Big Ten commish can't just call and say "hey, it's time for your offer." FSU has a "home." The presidents of the schools will tell him to go and add the others after conversations with FOX/NBC/CBS. The networks want it. It isn't going to be just two schools down south when this is done. Target should be anywhere from 2 at first and then up to 4 or 5. The additions outside of FSU and Clemson will have to come in at a very low number like OR/WA did.
so they will go to 20, but it isn't known how quickly they will go to more than 20 because of the GOR issues/cost that other schools will have. so this may have to be a long, bleeding process before it is in it's completed form.
I'm told that the Big Ten would like to get UNC but they know that may not happen. The talk of UNC and UVA as the top targets or moved onto those two schools is not true. UVA has no shot at a Big Ten invite right now because FOX will not pay for it, just like they are not willing to pay for Cal and Stanford.
FOX wants regional brands and rivalries in all regions to broadcast on their channels and the same with CBS and NBC.
FOX is going to try and retain all content under their "umbrella" so they own the assets.
From my understanding, rights will be acquired. What the expense is and who has to send the check, I don't know.
2: I was told several high level decision makers at Clemson would prefer to go to the Big Ten. They will have no issue of going to the SEC if they can't get into the Big Ten. There have been several back channel communications. Of course the Big Ten presidents want to move slower but FOX wants it done as quickly as they can.
3: FOX already knew the Pac-12 was going to implode several weeks before Colorado announced for the Big 12. FOX was ready to communicate to the Big Ten to get things going. Go back to when the Big Ten commish spoke at media days. He didn't say anything about not adding anymore schools for a reason. He just said the presidents didn't authorize him to do it (yet). The presidents of the Big Ten schools did not want to add those two schools for several years but had to do it now or lose them for the long-term.
Many in the Big Ten are very, very happy with the last 4 conference additions. Now it's a matter of timing for when they add the southern wing to the conference. They want to be THE national conference and outside forces are not gong to be able to prevent that from happening.
4: The OR/WA ordeal was closer to falling apart than the public knows. They estimate that it will cost $10M annually in travel costs alone and having a payout of $30M, they will have fewer dollars to spend on other resources. FOX would only give them 1 million dollars annually for travel expenses, which is not the normal process. Usually a network will never agree to something like this. That goes to show how strong the relationship is between FOX and the Big Ten. It's a very healthy relationship.
5: There was no push back from USC and UCLA leaders for adding OR/WA even when they are not voting members. They don't view OR/WA additions will impact USC's ability to be the dominant brand out west.
6: There are serious conversations, at least at the athletic department level, for going to 10 conference games.
7: ESPN does not want to lose the ACC. That's been made clear by many communications among people. But they will also not pay a boat load of new money because they don't have the money to do it and don't have the authorization to do it.
8: The Big Ten isn't viewing Notre Dame as a must get to accomplish the national conference goal. That wasn't the case last summer as they tried to get Notre Dame to join.
The Big Ten and network partners are not worried about what the other conferences and networks do. They have complete control of the biggest brands out west, have the big brands in the Big Ten, will get their southern swing accomplished, and then later will get into Texas.
There's nobody playing anyone to try and get any result. ESPN can't do anything unless their bosses sign off on it and right now they don't have authorization to make any new tv deals, etc.
FSU and Clemson will almost certainly end up in the SEC. They arent waiting for the signal to leave,, theyre trying to find if its possible to get out of the ACC grant of rights. They could cut a check tomorrow and be out of the ACC, but the ACC would still have their TV rights for the next 13 years which makes them worthless to another conference unless they could get out of it. The buy out for both the conference and the media rights would be somewhere about 400 million per school which is just a bit much. Dabo is the one opposed to the SEC because he doesnt want to have to play that schedule
ESPN doesnt want anything to happen to the ACC. They have the schools locked in for 13 years at a cheap rate, any conference switch just means theyd be paying more for the same school although the B1G doesnt get any extra money for adding teams. The other networks may want it to happen but ESPN has the rights and ESPN also controls the college playoffs.
ESPN doesnt have to pay the ACC anything for 13 more years. They arent going to implode unless basically every school leaves and even then its not clear that would be legal. Their grant of rights so far appears to be rock solid. Theres no reason on earth they would give the ACC a new tv deal and no school is cutting a 400 million dollar check to get out at this point. As that number goes down in several years that might be a different story.
UNC and UVA are actually coveted by the other conferences to get into VA and NC which are huge recruiting states. Anyone saying they wouldnt be targeted is either out of the loop or misinformed. They would likely have offers from both the B1G and the SEC and might be more likely to prefer the B1G with the easier schedules and at least for UVA an elitists attitude. Lousiville would be attractive to both as well given theyre the 3rd highest earner in the ACC
Everyone knew the PAC 4 was going to collapse,for months theyd been saying for almost a year that they were going to announce a new tv deal and never did. They also didnt announce any additions and didnt try and poach the Big 12 when they were vulnerable. Its been the worst run conference by far for 2 decades and now its not a conference anymore.
Well - the long awaited Big Ten prediction for 2023
Ohio State in the East
Illinois in the West
How is that for going out on a limb?
The Illinbuck Trophy will be at stake in the championship game. And for those of you who have not heard of it, the Illinibuck Trophy is a wood carved turtle that replaced a living turtle in 1925. It is one of the oldest Trophy games in the Conference behind the Little Brown Jug
The two underrated teams to watch - Illinois and Maryland
Biggest disappointments include- Purdue, Wisconsin and Penn State
We'll see how this unfolds...
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@coinkat said:
Well - the long awaited Big Ten prediction for 2023
Ohio State in the East
Illinois in the West
How is that for going out on a limb?
The Illinbuck Trophy will be at stake in the championship game. And for those of you who have not heard of it, the Illinibuck Trophy is a wood carved turtle that replaced a living turtle in 1925. It is one of the oldest Trophy games in the Conference behind the Little Brown Jug
The two underrated teams to watch - Illinois and Maryland
Biggest disappointments include- Purdue, Wisconsin and Penn State
We'll see how this unfolds...
I actually dont think thats really going out on a limb. Purdue wasnt good last year and LSU showed that, they just won the west because it was so bad. They didnt have an elite recruiting class or transfers either that changed anything.
Ohio State has had the most talented roster and best recruiting classes in the conference for over a decade now. Unproven QB, but the narrative that JJ McCarthy is somehow a top QB is just false and Penn State has an unproven QB too. Harbaugh is potentially facing a late season suspension. The NCAA accepted the 1 game self imposed penalty on the OC, but said Harbaugh still faces addition penalties with their self imposed 3 game one. They may just wait until after the season to do more but they are very unhappy about his repeatedly lying to them even when they had him nailed which is what hes really in trouble for. Then theres Penn State and well Franklin needs to prove he can win big games for me to believe in them.
The West Illinois isnt a bad pick. Its going to be Wisconsin, Iowa or them. Iowa is allergic to having an offense but should be the favorite if they can learn what a forward pass is. They go to Penn State, they go to Wisconsin, and they get Illinois at home. They could be anything from 0-3 to 3-0 in those. I think there OC is horrible and should have been fired a long time ago but hes the coaches son and I would bet they go 1-2 in those games.
Wisconsin gets Iowa Illinois and Ohio State 3 weeks in a row although only Illinois is on the road. There're an interesting team with the new coach and revamped offense but they can easily lose all three of those games and would be shocking if they beat Ohio State.
Illinois goes to Penn State and Iowa and Wisconsin at home. Its much more likely they could beat Penn State than Wisconsin could beat Ohio State. I
llinois really isnt a crazy pick but the winner of the west again will likely have 3 loses again unless Iowa learns what the word offense means
Would be surprising if it was. The game is at Utah. Florida spent Tuesday in Dallas and then got to Utah on Wednesday. Theyre already there, they moved up their travel day by a day to account for it
@Basebal21 said:
Would be surprising if it was. The game is at Utah. Florida spent Tuesday in Dallas and then got to Utah on Wednesday. Theyre already there, they moved up their travel day by a day to account for it
I thought maybe their tuesday evening flight got cancelled? As hundreds of flights in Florida got cancelled.
@Basebal21 said:
Would be surprising if it was. The game is at Utah. Florida spent Tuesday in Dallas and then got to Utah on Wednesday. Theyre already there, they moved up their travel day by a day to account for it
I thought maybe their tuesday evening flight got cancelled? As hundreds of flights in Florida got cancelled.
Several reports have them already in Utah and there hasnt been any indication the game could be canceled
@Basebal21 said:
Would be surprising if it was. The game is at Utah. Florida spent Tuesday in Dallas and then got to Utah on Wednesday. Theyre already there, they moved up their travel day by a day to account for it
I thought maybe their tuesday evening flight got cancelled? As hundreds of flights in Florida got cancelled.
Several reports have them already in Utah and there hasnt been any indication the game could be canceled
Good news. Week one starts today, so I am looking forward to this game tonight.
Even though theres game left and its the first game of the season, I think I'm ready to say the Mertz is just a garbage QB given that he was trash as Wisconsin's starter for two years as well
Its tough to win on the road in college football. I couldn't watch the game because my cable(spectrum) took off my ESPN stations. Got a message saying they couldn't make an agreement with disney.
@Basebal21 said:
Even though theres game left and its the first game of the season, I think I'm ready to say the Mertz is just a garbage QB given that he was trash as Wisconsin's starter for two years as well
Graham actually had some pretty good stats. Last time i checked, football is a team sport, and Florida's defense gave up some big plays. And their running backs were not that good.
@Basebal21 said:
Even though theres game left and its the first game of the season, I think I'm ready to say the Mertz is just a garbage QB given that he was trash as Wisconsin's starter for two years as well
Graham actually had some pretty good stats. Last time i checked, football is a team sport, and Florida's defense gave up some big plays. And their running backs were not that good.
Mertz was trash as Wisconsin. He was a two year full time starter that threw for 29 Tds and 21 INTs with Just slightly over 4000 yards in 2 seasons. His best season was 19 TDs with 10 INTs and just over 2100 yards. He was trash that played a big role in the downfall of the program and getting their coach fired.
The excuse for Mertz was always that he didnt have weapons at Wisconsin which he didnt. Well he has a ton of weapons at Florida and he looks the exact same. He holds the ball to long and makes Phillip Rivers look like a track star he moves so slow, half his passes were wounded ducks, he cant see wide open WRs downfield, he struggles with timing routes. All the same issues he had he still has.
Florida made some stupid mistakes especially the coaching one having two guys with the same number on the field that resulted into a punt becoming a Utah first down, but if Florida had a good QB they would have overcome those mistakes and won anyways. FL was better at almost every position besides QB.
Its not a secret Nappier was a bad hire and the boosters have already started pulling NIL money saving up for his big buyout to fire him. Rashada would be at FL and not ASU if the boosters believed in Nappier. Thinking Mertz was a good idea will just speed up the process when they win 3 games from incompetent QB play unless he somehow takes some magic fairy dust and turns into a good QB.
You already said you didnt watch the game. FL has an top RB that couldnt get touches or do anything because Utah was jamming the box giving Mertz no respect and he did nothing to change that. His only TD he threw was an interception that his WR made a great play on to catch it.
Cal, Stanford, and SMU are going to the ACC. Thank god we can finally see that Thurday night game of Boston College in Berkley vs Cal lol. Cal bring nothing to the table, SMU has a good baseball program and Stanford has a very good one but their fans couldnt care less. Weird additions to give Cal and Stanford an invite but it seems they may be expecting FSU and Clemson to figure a way out or using the additions at discounted rates to take momentum away from FSU and Clemsons push to get out.
One thing I've been curious about this off season is how Colorado will hold up under coach prime and I have to say, sitting here watching the Colorado vs TCU game, I'm impressed how coach prime has his guys motivated, he said one thing he guarantees is effort, and they are showing tremendous effort, Colorado leads TCU 17-14 at the half. I'm going to be following Colorado closely this season, I'm curious how this coach prime thing is going to turn out.
@doubledragon said:
One thing I've been curious about this off season is how Colorado will hold up under coach prime and I have to say, sitting here watching the Colorado vs TCU game, I'm impressed how coach prime has his guys motivated, he said one thing he guarantees is effort, and they are showing tremendous effort, Colorado leads TCU 17-14 at the half. I'm going to be following Colorado closely this season, I'm curious how this coach prime thing is going to turn out.
Same here !
Go Buffs !
Wishing the best for him.
He’s only got a bunch of 3 star players to work with. So I was guessing 5 wins at the most.
Hope I’m wrong.
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@doubledragon said:
One thing I've been curious about this off season is how Colorado will hold up under coach prime and I have to say, sitting here watching the Colorado vs TCU game, I'm impressed how coach prime has his guys motivated, he said one thing he guarantees is effort, and they are showing tremendous effort, Colorado leads TCU 17-14 at the half. I'm going to be following Colorado closely this season, I'm curious how this coach prime thing is going to turn out.
Same here !
Go Buffs !
Wishing the best for him.
He’s only got a bunch of 3 star players to work with. So I was guessing 5 wins at the most.
Hope I’m wrong.
I'm guessing around 5 wins as well, of course I'm hoping for more, I've spent a lot of time in Boulder Colorado, got family there, so I'm definitely rooting for them.
And this is why we watch... Go Buffs. I just wish it was the old Big 8 and I could look forward to the Colorado - Nebraska game. I suspect there are others that share the same sentiment- I suspect Byron "Whizzer" White would be thrilled with the game today and saddened with what no longer exists.
There is shame and even a scam when we look at what has happened to College Football.
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Theres a very good chance TCU just has an atrocious defense. Colorado got like 3 TDs and like 150 yards and three 5 yard passes that they missed tackles on. It was like running the Shark Wheel play on NCAA 2014 on Xbox which worked everytime in the game.
Hunter is a stud but thats no surprise. I do doubt he will be able to keep up doing this many plays all season long though. He could easily end up in the Heisman conversation
It sucks this game was week 1. Both teams had so many questions its hard to tell how much of the offense was because its a good offense from both teams or if both teams are just terrible defensively. Not really sure why TCU went away from the run either when they could run it up the middle at will
TCU is going to have to significantly improve their coverages and tackling or they might be fighting to simply make a bowl game. Morris needs to drastically improve his accuracy on the deep ball as well
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What has happened and continues to happen is just plan wrong- it is nothing more than a money grab
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In the field of sports History, Tradition, Rivalry, Loyalty and viewing one's college days as somehow so special that it will play a central role in the 50-60 years of your life after you graduate appear to be on the wane (the same can be said for politics, government (national, state and local); religion, employment and "family".
Society today is different than is was in prior years and decades.
Money and the pursuit of same is a contributing factor that drives societal changes; as is the meteoric developments in communications and computer technology. Society is becoming evermore global and interconnected. Whether this is good or bad is above my pay grade.
The PAC 12 is on its way out, Other conferences will get bigger by taking in former PAC 12 schools; however those conferences will not stay static. They will also change in the future (maybe a decade from now there will only be the SEC and the BIG 10, comprised of select schools across the USA whose athletic programs will be able to generate continuing revenue streams that will meet the minimum requirements of the folks who make the decisions for the SEC and BIG 10).
All schools who are not able to meet the requirements to be members of the SEC and BIG 10 will be also rans who will compete against other riff-raff schools for crumbs.
The Pac 4 has no one to blame but themselves. Just over a decade ago Texas and Oklahoma wanted to join, tow of the top earning more coveted programs in the country and the PAC thought they were beneath them and said no. Scott deserves a ton of blame but so does Kliavkoff Standford and Cal. When Texas and Oklahoma left for the SEC there was legitimate momentum to combing with the Big 12. Stanford and Cal are very against being in a conference with a religious school and the Big 12 wasnt going to leave TCU and Baylor behind. So the Big 12 went and got the best G5 options solidified the conference and got a real TV deal while the PAC had no options and presented the schools with a pathetic media deal. The schools would have to have been crazy not to leave if they had an option. Even the bad ACC deal is significantly better than what Kliavkoff presented the conference
The Pac 4 isnt necessarily gone, at least in name. They could merge with the Mountain West and just keep calling it the Pac 12. Im not sure the name really has any value left though and they certainly are done as a Power 5 conference.
There is a lot of talk that eventually the SEC, B1G, and Big 12 will break off and do their own thing. That probably will happen at some point but it doesnt look like anytime soon. Sankey is currently the most powerful commissioner and he wants to stay in the NCAA. The others wouldnt leave without the SEC
There will be changes though when they discuss the next playoff contract. The Pac 4s automatic bid for its champion will certainly be gone and it will be interesting if they give it to someone else or just have it as an at large spot
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Crazy to think that if things stay the way they are, next year we will see one of these four teams in the playoffs with an automatic bid, Washington state, Stanford, Oregon state, or California.
There is also a rumor that the BIG 10 is trying to make a deal with Notre Dame.
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The B1G has been trying to make a deal with ND for years. ND has their pick of conferences
As far as the PAC 4 goes they dont have an automatic bid anymore. You have to have 6 teams minimum to be considered a real conference and the rest arent going to allow a 4 team conference to get an auto bid
I know. But the current rumor is a ACC type of deal that ND has had with them for the past several years.
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And here come the IRISH!
Theyre in the ACC for basically everything besides football where they will remain independent. None of the power 4 are going to let them join and have their own TV deal. The SEC doesnt really even have interest in them (their targets are in the ACC) and ND isnt interested in having to play an SEC schedule. The Big 12 TV deal while good isnt enough to get them to join, theres no chance they sign the terrible ACC deal that has 13 years left on it.
They basically hate the B1G and have a big grudge against them that theyve had for decades. They tried to apply for membership decades ago more than once and were denied everytime and have had a grudge ever since. Its one of the reasons they reject the B!Gs offers everytime now. They will stay independent as long as possible which will likely be years if not decades.
Theres really only two things that would force ND into a conference for football. The power 4 telling their teams they arent allowed to play them anymore which would kill the TV offers for ND, or changing the playoffs where you have to be in a conference to be eligible for the playoffs. Neither is likely anytime soon but could happen.
The B1G isnt going to let them join unless football does as well. They're there for Ice Hockey, but thats really more a necessity than a desire given that the B1G is really the only Power 4 conference that plays hockey just like the ACC is really the only Power 4 conference that plays lacrosse.
Pre season coaches poll.
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Looking forward to seeing how Colorado does at TCU. Prime Time under the microscope. Tough first game for him.
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Im not sure we really learn anything from that game. TCU has a ton of questions with how much they lost to the draft and then lost their OC as well. Most things have them at like the 6-8 win range at best. 9 or 10 would be an amazing season for them.
Colorado theyre more likely to win 1 or 2 games than 3 or 4. 4 would be a very good year with what they started with and a bowl game would be incredible unless the PAC 4 is just hot garbage in their final year.
Deion did well in the portal for a team coming off 1 win last year, but he didnt kill it. Basically everyone on the team is a 3 star. With how 4 stars get limited yea some could be 4 star worthy but in their videos they put out its clear some guys are much better than others to the point that its more than it should be.
They also lost their best WR, TE, and D lineman after their spring game. The TE is probably going to have to sit out the year being his second transfer and the NCAA cracking down on that denying they all, but they all saw the spring game and decided to leave
If TCU smokes them by 40 we know Colorado is bad again but not necessarily that TCU is good. Same thing goes the other way. Thats just a must win game but itll take some more time to figure out level either team is at
1st full week of the season starts in 2 weeks from this Thursday. Some key games.
Florida @ Utah
Ohio State @ Indiana
Boise State @ Washington
North Carolina @ South Carolina
West Virginia @ Penn State
LSU @ Florida State
Navy @ Notre Dame is August 26(Saturday) week zero
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This is an interesting perspective on 3 star athletes.
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/breaking-down-the-255-nfl-draft-picks-by-star-recruiting-rankings/#:~:text=Here's the breakdown by stars,Three-star: 110
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The key to it is at the end about how 4 and 5 stars are limited. I wish they would change that about the system where only a x percentage of a recruiting class can be a 5 star and only a y percentage can be a 4 star. I cant remember the actual percentages for it. Kickers are limited to 3 stars with the occasional 4 because they dont want to waste one of those spots on kickers. Georgia signed the number 1 ranked kicker he was three stars, any other position he would have been a 5 star. Just give the player the amount of stars they are deserving of, if a class happens to be loaded then its loaded
Its not that 3 stars arent good players and arent important everyone recruits them, but no team has won the National Championship without more than 50% of their roster being composed of 4 and 5 stars. They arent perfect with the rankings and some positions it matters more than others. A 3 and 5 star RB other than a couple guys wont have a massive difference, but a LT or WR will. 5 star QBs only hit at like a 50 percent rate, but WRs are in like the 70 or 80s percentage for players that work out.
How is OSU vs Indiana a key game? OSU could leave every starter at home and still dominate that game. They have serious issues if the game is close and if they somehow lost it some coaches would likely be fired on the spot.
Washington shouldnt have any issue with Boise either if they actually are as good as theyre being hyped up to be. I think theyre highly overrated and would love an upset there.
UNC USC has the potential to be a basketball score depending on what Rattler shows up. So of course it will probably be a low scoring defensive battle lol.
Florida is better than Utah, but Utah is never fun to go to and theres some serious questions about Napier as a coach. Rising very likely isnt going to be playing though as he is still limited participating coming off the ACL surgery. Given he loved to run hes very likely not going to be the same even if he does play so theres big questions for Utah too.
Penn State should handle WVU easily if theyre what theyre supposed to be. Unfortunately Hartman is probably going to torch Navy to since Navy has fallen off a cliff. Going across the pond for the game could change things so hopefully its interesting.
LSU FSU definitely takes the cake. Playoff implications in this one. A loss wont eliminate either team, but theyd likely have to run the table after that which would be much more difficult for LSU. FSU has Clemson week 4 but if they get out of the first 4 3-1 or better they should be be able to run the table from there unless FL is significantly improved with a new QB. LSU has what should be a very rough November and needs to be entering that undefeated
LSU-FSU is the game to watch for the non-partisan fan.
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What was last year's preseason top 10?
Every year at least one team from the preseason top 10 ends the year unranked, look for it to be Washington this year
USC or Penn State
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I had a nice dinner with my long-time friend in the athletic department. We talked at length about conference realignment, the future of college athletics based on what is currently known, and some inside conversations happening between athletic departments. I'm just going to share what is relevant to everyone.
1: Clemson and Florida State are waiting for the "signal" to leave. I don't know when that signal will be sent. The signal is essentially the Big Ten and the network partners telling Florida State and Clemson that they are ready to add a southern swing of schools. Big Ten commish can't just call and say "hey, it's time for your offer." FSU has a "home." The presidents of the schools will tell him to go and add the others after conversations with FOX/NBC/CBS. The networks want it. It isn't going to be just two schools down south when this is done. Target should be anywhere from 2 at first and then up to 4 or 5. The additions outside of FSU and Clemson will have to come in at a very low number like OR/WA did.
so they will go to 20, but it isn't known how quickly they will go to more than 20 because of the GOR issues/cost that other schools will have. so this may have to be a long, bleeding process before it is in it's completed form.
I'm told that the Big Ten would like to get UNC but they know that may not happen. The talk of UNC and UVA as the top targets or moved onto those two schools is not true. UVA has no shot at a Big Ten invite right now because FOX will not pay for it, just like they are not willing to pay for Cal and Stanford.
FOX wants regional brands and rivalries in all regions to broadcast on their channels and the same with CBS and NBC.
FOX is going to try and retain all content under their "umbrella" so they own the assets.
From my understanding, rights will be acquired. What the expense is and who has to send the check, I don't know.
2: I was told several high level decision makers at Clemson would prefer to go to the Big Ten. They will have no issue of going to the SEC if they can't get into the Big Ten. There have been several back channel communications. Of course the Big Ten presidents want to move slower but FOX wants it done as quickly as they can.
3: FOX already knew the Pac-12 was going to implode several weeks before Colorado announced for the Big 12. FOX was ready to communicate to the Big Ten to get things going. Go back to when the Big Ten commish spoke at media days. He didn't say anything about not adding anymore schools for a reason. He just said the presidents didn't authorize him to do it (yet). The presidents of the Big Ten schools did not want to add those two schools for several years but had to do it now or lose them for the long-term.
Many in the Big Ten are very, very happy with the last 4 conference additions. Now it's a matter of timing for when they add the southern wing to the conference. They want to be THE national conference and outside forces are not gong to be able to prevent that from happening.
4: The OR/WA ordeal was closer to falling apart than the public knows. They estimate that it will cost $10M annually in travel costs alone and having a payout of $30M, they will have fewer dollars to spend on other resources. FOX would only give them 1 million dollars annually for travel expenses, which is not the normal process. Usually a network will never agree to something like this. That goes to show how strong the relationship is between FOX and the Big Ten. It's a very healthy relationship.
5: There was no push back from USC and UCLA leaders for adding OR/WA even when they are not voting members. They don't view OR/WA additions will impact USC's ability to be the dominant brand out west.
6: There are serious conversations, at least at the athletic department level, for going to 10 conference games.
7: ESPN does not want to lose the ACC. That's been made clear by many communications among people. But they will also not pay a boat load of new money because they don't have the money to do it and don't have the authorization to do it.
8: The Big Ten isn't viewing Notre Dame as a must get to accomplish the national conference goal. That wasn't the case last summer as they tried to get Notre Dame to join.
The Big Ten and network partners are not worried about what the other conferences and networks do. They have complete control of the biggest brands out west, have the big brands in the Big Ten, will get their southern swing accomplished, and then later will get into Texas.
There's nobody playing anyone to try and get any result. ESPN can't do anything unless their bosses sign off on it and right now they don't have authorization to make any new tv deals, etc.
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FSU and Clemson will almost certainly end up in the SEC. They arent waiting for the signal to leave,, theyre trying to find if its possible to get out of the ACC grant of rights. They could cut a check tomorrow and be out of the ACC, but the ACC would still have their TV rights for the next 13 years which makes them worthless to another conference unless they could get out of it. The buy out for both the conference and the media rights would be somewhere about 400 million per school which is just a bit much. Dabo is the one opposed to the SEC because he doesnt want to have to play that schedule
ESPN doesnt want anything to happen to the ACC. They have the schools locked in for 13 years at a cheap rate, any conference switch just means theyd be paying more for the same school although the B1G doesnt get any extra money for adding teams. The other networks may want it to happen but ESPN has the rights and ESPN also controls the college playoffs.
ESPN doesnt have to pay the ACC anything for 13 more years. They arent going to implode unless basically every school leaves and even then its not clear that would be legal. Their grant of rights so far appears to be rock solid. Theres no reason on earth they would give the ACC a new tv deal and no school is cutting a 400 million dollar check to get out at this point. As that number goes down in several years that might be a different story.
UNC and UVA are actually coveted by the other conferences to get into VA and NC which are huge recruiting states. Anyone saying they wouldnt be targeted is either out of the loop or misinformed. They would likely have offers from both the B1G and the SEC and might be more likely to prefer the B1G with the easier schedules and at least for UVA an elitists attitude. Lousiville would be attractive to both as well given theyre the 3rd highest earner in the ACC
Everyone knew the PAC 4 was going to collapse,for months theyd been saying for almost a year that they were going to announce a new tv deal and never did. They also didnt announce any additions and didnt try and poach the Big 12 when they were vulnerable. Its been the worst run conference by far for 2 decades and now its not a conference anymore.
Well - the long awaited Big Ten prediction for 2023
Ohio State in the East
Illinois in the West
How is that for going out on a limb?
The Illinbuck Trophy will be at stake in the championship game. And for those of you who have not heard of it, the Illinibuck Trophy is a wood carved turtle that replaced a living turtle in 1925. It is one of the oldest Trophy games in the Conference behind the Little Brown Jug
The two underrated teams to watch - Illinois and Maryland
Biggest disappointments include- Purdue, Wisconsin and Penn State
We'll see how this unfolds...
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I actually dont think thats really going out on a limb. Purdue wasnt good last year and LSU showed that, they just won the west because it was so bad. They didnt have an elite recruiting class or transfers either that changed anything.
Ohio State has had the most talented roster and best recruiting classes in the conference for over a decade now. Unproven QB, but the narrative that JJ McCarthy is somehow a top QB is just false and Penn State has an unproven QB too. Harbaugh is potentially facing a late season suspension. The NCAA accepted the 1 game self imposed penalty on the OC, but said Harbaugh still faces addition penalties with their self imposed 3 game one. They may just wait until after the season to do more but they are very unhappy about his repeatedly lying to them even when they had him nailed which is what hes really in trouble for. Then theres Penn State and well Franklin needs to prove he can win big games for me to believe in them.
The West Illinois isnt a bad pick. Its going to be Wisconsin, Iowa or them. Iowa is allergic to having an offense but should be the favorite if they can learn what a forward pass is. They go to Penn State, they go to Wisconsin, and they get Illinois at home. They could be anything from 0-3 to 3-0 in those. I think there OC is horrible and should have been fired a long time ago but hes the coaches son and I would bet they go 1-2 in those games.
Wisconsin gets Iowa Illinois and Ohio State 3 weeks in a row although only Illinois is on the road. There're an interesting team with the new coach and revamped offense but they can easily lose all three of those games and would be shocking if they beat Ohio State.
Illinois goes to Penn State and Iowa and Wisconsin at home. Its much more likely they could beat Penn State than Wisconsin could beat Ohio State. I
llinois really isnt a crazy pick but the winner of the west again will likely have 3 loses again unless Iowa learns what the word offense means
Wondering if the Florida Utah game is going to be cancelled because of the hurricane?
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Would be surprising if it was. The game is at Utah. Florida spent Tuesday in Dallas and then got to Utah on Wednesday. Theyre already there, they moved up their travel day by a day to account for it
I thought maybe their tuesday evening flight got cancelled? As hundreds of flights in Florida got cancelled.
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Several reports have them already in Utah and there hasnt been any indication the game could be canceled
Good news. Week one starts today, so I am looking forward to this game tonight.
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Even though theres game left and its the first game of the season, I think I'm ready to say the Mertz is just a garbage QB given that he was trash as Wisconsin's starter for two years as well
Its tough to win on the road in college football. I couldn't watch the game because my cable(spectrum) took off my ESPN stations. Got a message saying they couldn't make an agreement with disney.
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Graham actually had some pretty good stats. Last time i checked, football is a team sport, and Florida's defense gave up some big plays. And their running backs were not that good.
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THE SEC aint so great when they have to go out of their territory lol.
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An unranked Florida out gained a ranked Utah in Utahs back yard.
When an outranked opponent out gains a ranked opponent away from home that’s saying something, no ?
Would be interesting if UF, SC, and LSU all fall this weekend.
Go Buffs and Deion Sanders ! Need a huge upset.
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Laughing at a serious post ?
Ok. No more responding to you.
Cool. I just found the ignore button.
Now I no longer see his posts.
Nice feature CU.
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Out gaining in yardage means zilch if you can't score in the red zone
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Not to mention, Utah was playing without their quarterback.
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Mertz was trash as Wisconsin. He was a two year full time starter that threw for 29 Tds and 21 INTs with Just slightly over 4000 yards in 2 seasons. His best season was 19 TDs with 10 INTs and just over 2100 yards. He was trash that played a big role in the downfall of the program and getting their coach fired.
The excuse for Mertz was always that he didnt have weapons at Wisconsin which he didnt. Well he has a ton of weapons at Florida and he looks the exact same. He holds the ball to long and makes Phillip Rivers look like a track star he moves so slow, half his passes were wounded ducks, he cant see wide open WRs downfield, he struggles with timing routes. All the same issues he had he still has.
Florida made some stupid mistakes especially the coaching one having two guys with the same number on the field that resulted into a punt becoming a Utah first down, but if Florida had a good QB they would have overcome those mistakes and won anyways. FL was better at almost every position besides QB.
Its not a secret Nappier was a bad hire and the boosters have already started pulling NIL money saving up for his big buyout to fire him. Rashada would be at FL and not ASU if the boosters believed in Nappier. Thinking Mertz was a good idea will just speed up the process when they win 3 games from incompetent QB play unless he somehow takes some magic fairy dust and turns into a good QB.
You already said you didnt watch the game. FL has an top RB that couldnt get touches or do anything because Utah was jamming the box giving Mertz no respect and he did nothing to change that. His only TD he threw was an interception that his WR made a great play on to catch it.
Cal, Stanford, and SMU are going to the ACC. Thank god we can finally see that Thurday night game of Boston College in Berkley vs Cal lol. Cal bring nothing to the table, SMU has a good baseball program and Stanford has a very good one but their fans couldnt care less. Weird additions to give Cal and Stanford an invite but it seems they may be expecting FSU and Clemson to figure a way out or using the additions at discounted rates to take momentum away from FSU and Clemsons push to get out.
Millions of people are not going to be happy in Florida and other cities, when they find out they cant watch the LSU vs Florida State game on Sunday.
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One thing I've been curious about this off season is how Colorado will hold up under coach prime and I have to say, sitting here watching the Colorado vs TCU game, I'm impressed how coach prime has his guys motivated, he said one thing he guarantees is effort, and they are showing tremendous effort, Colorado leads TCU 17-14 at the half. I'm going to be following Colorado closely this season, I'm curious how this coach prime thing is going to turn out.
Same here !
Go Buffs !
Wishing the best for him.
He’s only got a bunch of 3 star players to work with. So I was guessing 5 wins at the most.
Hope I’m wrong.
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I'm guessing around 5 wins as well, of course I'm hoping for more, I've spent a lot of time in Boulder Colorado, got family there, so I'm definitely rooting for them.
Ohio State - Indiana coming up at 3:30! Wonder how the Buckeyes will look this year with new QB's.
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This Colorado vs TCU game is an absolute slugfest, just back and forth, Colorado leads 45-42 in the 4th!
TCU doesn't get the first down, Colorado takes over with 55 seconds to go, Colorado is going to win!
Colorado wins 45-42, Colorado wins!
And this is why we watch... Go Buffs. I just wish it was the old Big 8 and I could look forward to the Colorado - Nebraska game. I suspect there are others that share the same sentiment- I suspect Byron "Whizzer" White would be thrilled with the game today and saddened with what no longer exists.
There is shame and even a scam when we look at what has happened to College Football.
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Theres a very good chance TCU just has an atrocious defense. Colorado got like 3 TDs and like 150 yards and three 5 yard passes that they missed tackles on. It was like running the Shark Wheel play on NCAA 2014 on Xbox which worked everytime in the game.
Hunter is a stud but thats no surprise. I do doubt he will be able to keep up doing this many plays all season long though. He could easily end up in the Heisman conversation
It sucks this game was week 1. Both teams had so many questions its hard to tell how much of the offense was because its a good offense from both teams or if both teams are just terrible defensively. Not really sure why TCU went away from the run either when they could run it up the middle at will
TCU is going to have to significantly improve their coverages and tackling or they might be fighting to simply make a bowl game. Morris needs to drastically improve his accuracy on the deep ball as well