@NJCoin said:
And I sure wouldn't be proud having to explain everything we all have witnessed between the time these were announced and right now.
What we've witnessed? You mean like some people on a message board getting their panties in a bunch over something that other people have chosen to spend their money on? Anything like that?
@MasonG said:
Why is evolution in quotes and what is that evolution? In both cases, people are selling coins for a profit.
Evolution is in quotes because @streeter questioned the evolution from Big Gold to VB. Without meaning to cast aspersions, I was just trying to explain that coin dealers are not saints, and that they go where the money is. You know how I feel about these, but that had nothing to do with my response.
All I was saying was that these are likely a lot more lucrative than Big Gold for a dealer, given how many can be moved at one time. "Evolution" was nothing more than a response to a question. Nothing to read into there from my end.
@NJCoin said:
And I sure wouldn't be proud having to explain everything we all have witnessed between the time these were announced and right now.
What we've witnessed? You mean like some people on a message board getting their panties in a bunch over something that other people have chosen to spend their money on? Anything like that?
I was waiting for that question. I am not going to answer it directly, other than to direct you back to the other 15 pages on this thread, as well as to the other, now closed threads.
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
@MasonG said:
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
Actually, I sleep pretty well. I honestly thought I was providing a public service in the beginning, pointing out things in their disclosure that others might have missed that indicated these would be terrible deals for most people.
I was shocked by the negative feedback and hostility, and still don't understand it. But now that the results of the Series 1 release have been publicized, I feel 1,000,000% vindicated, and no longer have any desire to educate anyone on the wisdom of buying a VB.
I will continue to respond when I feel like I have something to add. Like here, where I was explaining why someone would get involved in something like this.
Now that this has been exposed for what it is, anyone who wants to flush a few hundred dollars down a toilet is free to do so with my blessing. I will sleep just fine.
@MasonG said:
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
Actually, I sleep pretty well.
Then you wake up refreshed, ready to criticize other people's choices as to how they spend their own money? Good to know.
@MasonG said:
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
Actually, I sleep pretty well.
Then you wake up refreshed, ready to criticize other people's choices as to how they spend their own money? Good to know.
Yes. Always happy to educate you. Just be sure to let me know if there is anything else you'd like to know about me, my sleeping habits, my proclivities to criticize, or do anything else for that matter. One of my pleasures in life is satisfying your need to know about me.
@MasonG said:
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
Actually, I sleep pretty well.
Then you wake up refreshed, ready to criticize other people's choices as to how they spend their own money? Good to know.
You're wasting your time. He's reminiscent of another forum member who just assumes others need him to coinsplain things. I see a lot of people having fun and looking forward to the next release. The 1st release is still selling well on the secondary market. But he's a million percent convinced that he performed a public service by calling people stupid if they fell for the "sc--". He probably doesn't even realize that hus public service included getting the other thread closed for violating the TOS by using the "sc--" word.
It's just not worth debating. Some people are having fun with VB coins and NGCX. Others are having fun feeling superior to the people who are clearly having fun the wrong way. (Sarcasm).
@jmlanzaf said:
Some people are having fun with VB coins and NGCX. Others are having fun feeling superior to the people who are clearly having fun the wrong way. (Sarcasm).
The world is full of people who think that everything will be fine just as soon as everybody does things the way the scolds insist. For their own good, of course.
Some members are just naturally argumentative. I think this thread really drew them out. I'm sorry for my part in that. It wasn't my intention to get everyone all worked up.
For what it's worth, I do think everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site. We're not always going to agree. How boring would that be? But a few of you have taken it to a personal level, and it's not rational.
I dont understand how this topic became so polarizing, but it should probably end until the vaunted series 2 arrives.
Let it go, guys. And bring it in for a group hug 🫂
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@MasonG said:
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
Actually, I sleep pretty well.
Then you wake up refreshed, ready to criticize other people's choices as to how they spend their own money? Good to know.
You're wasting your time. He's reminiscent of another forum member who just assumes others need him to coinsplain things. I see a lot of people having fun and looking forward to the next release. The 1st release is still selling well on the secondary market. But he's a million percent convinced that he performed a public service by calling people stupid if they fell for the "sc--". He probably doesn't even realize that hus public service included getting the other thread closed for violating the TOS by using the "sc--" word.
It's just not worth debating. Some people are having fun with VB coins and NGCX. Others are having fun feeling superior to the people who are clearly having fun the wrong way. (Sarcasm).
Actually, I'm pretty sure Freddie got the other threads closed all by himself. Notice the only VB thread not closed is the one he didn't start? Plenty use of the word SCAM right here in this thread, and it is still open.
And, for the record, I never actually said it was a scam, only that certain things that happened made it look like one. Whether or not fraud actually occurred would be determined by a court if anyone ever brings a case. The cool thing is that PWCC made it pretty easy for anyone who wants to take that shot.
While VB made very extensive disclosures that made this look like a terrible deal to people like me, lots of folks still wanted to try it out. Then good coins started popping up in unboxing videos before the official release. PWCC kindly stated that their box was not a real box, and that their gold coin would be going back to NGC for re-boxing and re-distribution prior to 1/25.
Very easy to verify. There would be records of that box, and any other boxes sent to any other partners or influencers for pre-release unboxings, being separated or otherwise identified by NGC prior to shipment, in order for VB to know what to send where. Then, there would be records at NGC of at least PWCC's coin being returned, re-boxed, re-sealed, and re-mixed into the pile of 799 other boxes prior to distribution.
Oh boy, if none of that actually happened! Then you have a consumer fraud claim for anyone who bought a box in reliance on the disclosure that that coin was in the mix on 1/25, if it never was. Not to mention every other good coin that turned up in a post from an influencer.
So, feel free to keep taking shots at skeptics. If anything, let alone everything, that looks fishy turns to be what it looks like, NGC just might not want anything to do with this, and there might never be a second series. And plenty of people might start looking for refunds for their first series duds. Excluding, of course, everyone who had $595 worth of "fun."
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What we've witnessed? You mean like some people on a message board getting their panties in a bunch over something that other people have chosen to spend their money on? Anything like that?
Evolution is in quotes because @streeter questioned the evolution from Big Gold to VB. Without meaning to cast aspersions, I was just trying to explain that coin dealers are not saints, and that they go where the money is. You know how I feel about these, but that had nothing to do with my response.
All I was saying was that these are likely a lot more lucrative than Big Gold for a dealer, given how many can be moved at one time. "Evolution" was nothing more than a response to a question. Nothing to read into there from my end.
I was waiting for that question. I am not going to answer it directly, other than to direct you back to the other 15 pages on this thread, as well as to the other, now closed threads.
Much like- well, you, when you cashed your paychecks. Good to get that cleared up.
That's cool. I didn't expect an answer.
I do have to admit, however... I have sympathy for your situation. I mean- it's got to be tough trying to get to sleep every night, knowing that there are people out there spending their own money on things you disapprove of.
Actually, I sleep pretty well. I honestly thought I was providing a public service in the beginning, pointing out things in their disclosure that others might have missed that indicated these would be terrible deals for most people.
I was shocked by the negative feedback and hostility, and still don't understand it. But now that the results of the Series 1 release have been publicized, I feel 1,000,000% vindicated, and no longer have any desire to educate anyone on the wisdom of buying a VB.
I will continue to respond when I feel like I have something to add. Like here, where I was explaining why someone would get involved in something like this.
Now that this has been exposed for what it is, anyone who wants to flush a few hundred dollars down a toilet is free to do so with my blessing. I will sleep just fine.
What's going on people? I just see grayed out posts that I have on Ignore...🤣😂
Then you wake up refreshed, ready to criticize other people's choices as to how they spend their own money? Good to know.
Yeah, that's how Ignore works. Nothing to see here for you. Just move along. 🤣😂
Yes. Always happy to educate you. Just be sure to let me know if there is anything else you'd like to know about me, my sleeping habits, my proclivities to criticize, or do anything else for that matter. One of my pleasures in life is satisfying your need to know about me.
You're wasting your time. He's reminiscent of another forum member who just assumes others need him to coinsplain things. I see a lot of people having fun and looking forward to the next release. The 1st release is still selling well on the secondary market. But he's a million percent convinced that he performed a public service by calling people stupid if they fell for the "sc--". He probably doesn't even realize that hus public service included getting the other thread closed for violating the TOS by using the "sc--" word.
It's just not worth debating. Some people are having fun with VB coins and NGCX. Others are having fun feeling superior to the people who are clearly having fun the wrong way. (Sarcasm).
Njcoin
You might need a timeout. Please put me on ignore.
No / do they pay retail?
The world is full of people who think that everything will be fine just as soon as everybody does things the way the scolds insist. For their own good, of course.
I'm having deja vu all over again. 😵💫
Some members are just naturally argumentative. I think this thread really drew them out. I'm sorry for my part in that. It wasn't my intention to get everyone all worked up.
For what it's worth, I do think everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site. We're not always going to agree. How boring would that be? But a few of you have taken it to a personal level, and it's not rational.
I dont understand how this topic became so polarizing, but it should probably end until the vaunted series 2 arrives.
Let it go, guys. And bring it in for a group hug 🫂
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Actually, I'm pretty sure Freddie got the other threads closed all by himself. Notice the only VB thread not closed is the one he didn't start? Plenty use of the word SCAM right here in this thread, and it is still open.
And, for the record, I never actually said it was a scam, only that certain things that happened made it look like one. Whether or not fraud actually occurred would be determined by a court if anyone ever brings a case. The cool thing is that PWCC made it pretty easy for anyone who wants to take that shot.
While VB made very extensive disclosures that made this look like a terrible deal to people like me, lots of folks still wanted to try it out. Then good coins started popping up in unboxing videos before the official release. PWCC kindly stated that their box was not a real box, and that their gold coin would be going back to NGC for re-boxing and re-distribution prior to 1/25.
Very easy to verify. There would be records of that box, and any other boxes sent to any other partners or influencers for pre-release unboxings, being separated or otherwise identified by NGC prior to shipment, in order for VB to know what to send where. Then, there would be records at NGC of at least PWCC's coin being returned, re-boxed, re-sealed, and re-mixed into the pile of 799 other boxes prior to distribution.
Oh boy, if none of that actually happened! Then you have a consumer fraud claim for anyone who bought a box in reliance on the disclosure that that coin was in the mix on 1/25, if it never was. Not to mention every other good coin that turned up in a post from an influencer.
So, feel free to keep taking shots at skeptics. If anything, let alone everything, that looks fishy turns to be what it looks like, NGC just might not want anything to do with this, and there might never be a second series. And plenty of people might start looking for refunds for their first series duds. Excluding, of course, everyone who had $595 worth of "fun."
That's not how it works. I don't put anyone on Ignore, but you should absolutely feel free if you need a time out from me.