2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK +255,904
2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN +210
2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK +255,877
2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN +194
HSN musta gotta the leftovers. Wasn’t it reported here on the forum that they only got 40% 70’s from the peace dollar? They wouldn’t fib, would they? 🤨
It’s shocking!!
PEACE:
5 of 10 were loose in Mint box (Memphis).
Coins and capsules looked rough. I'll get a Mint return label and return those.
The others were nice.
.
MORGANS:
9 of 10 looked good (Texas).
Tight fit, no loose coins.
.
If it was a football game I'd say:
MORGAN 45
PEACE 25
.
This is the worst of the Morgans.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
HSN musta gotta the leftovers. Wasn’t it reported here on the forum that they only got 40% 70’s from the peace dollar? They wouldn’t fib, would they? 🤨
It’s shocking!!
I am GUESSING that many of these initial submissions had a "minimum grade" specification of 70. Consequently, these preliminary outcomes, which do not include many 69 results, even when they occurred, are not truly representative of the overall distribution.
Why aren't people just recording their box opening process? I'm sure mine would have been deemed valid by PCGS - had there been a certificate in the box.
So I instructed my AI service to either create a video or edit mine to reveal the discovery of a certificate.
It refused - saying that "it would be poor form and quite possibly deceptive".
@rip_f said:
Why aren't people just recording their box opening process? I'm sure mine would have been deemed valid by PCGS - had there been a certificate in the box.
So I instructed my AI service to either create a video or edit mine to reveal the discovery of a certificate.
It refused - saying that "it would be poor form and quite possibly deceptive".
I am certain that one of the flippers here with their pet bots could modify your AI to create that video. Since they can bust through all of the Mint's crowds and blocking, this should be a breeze!
@JeffM said:
I am certain that one of the flippers here with their pet bots could modify your AI to create that video. Since they can bust through all of the Mint's crowds and blocking, this should be a breeze!
I'm a flipper of opportunity. I don't use bots so I'd be of no use here... 😅😎
Both mine. 1 peace 1 Morgan. 🤢
The field has variations in the pattern. Not spots but a small area of different hue. A heck it’s a spot to the eye, a distraction but not smotz just sticking out enough to say. Ain’t no 70’s. Thanks 🙏
@MrBear said:
I got my two boxes (3 each) yesterday. ONE of them was...badly packaged. It had a piece of clear packing tape that was, maybe, an inch over the seam on one side. I almost thought the box had been tampered with and then taped up. AND, the flap with the adhesive hadn't been used. That is, the person who packed it, didn't peel off the cover and then stick the box shut.
I'm 99% sure that someone stole my COA coin and replaced it with a regular one
Yep, my Morgan came today. The box was sealed with tape, but like yours the flap was not sealed. I actually appreciated this because it was so easy to open. Usually, I fight with it and dull my knife each time I open the Mint packages.
Both my Peace and Morgan dollars look great! I can't wait for the proofs and reverse proofs to be issued.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
HSN musta gotta the leftovers. Wasn’t it reported here on the forum that they only got 40% 70’s from the peace dollar? They wouldn’t fib, would they? 🤨
It’s shocking!!
They may not pre-screen them while the others have.
@MrBear said:
I got my two boxes (3 each) yesterday. ONE of them was...badly packaged. It had a piece of clear packing tape that was, maybe, an inch over the seam on one side. I almost thought the box had been tampered with and then taped up. AND, the flap with the adhesive hadn't been used. That is, the person who packed it, didn't peel off the cover and then stick the box shut.
I'm 99% sure that someone stole my COA coin and replaced it with a regular one
Yep, my Morgan came today. The box was sealed with tape, but like yours the flap was not sealed. I actually appreciated this because it was so easy to open. Usually, I fight with it and dull my knife each time I open the Mint packages.
Both my Peace and Morgan dollars look great! I can't wait for the proofs and reverse proofs to be issued.
My first thought was that they didn't seal the flap so that you could use the box for a return. Of course, I was mistaken.
But the tape on that first box really bugged me. This is after I opened it, but you can see how little tape was on that side. Someone could have opened the box without much difficulty.
@Goldbully said:
Latest POPS report from PCGS........lots of 70's in the early going.
Comments welcomed.
Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
.
The numbers seen in the report are from ABPP submissions, no doubt. only ~1800 graded for each unc.....of perhaps 20,000 to 27,500 ordered by the ABPP. Of course, not all ABPP coins went to PCGS.
.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
HSN musta gotta the leftovers. Wasn’t it reported here on the forum that they only got 40% 70’s from the peace dollar? >They wouldn’t fib, would they?
If their submission was for minimum grade 70, then the non-graded <70 coins would not be reflected in the report.
.
Example: in late January of 2022, well after non-ABPP coins were beginning to be factored in, the percent 70 was:
But with further dilution of the initial "ABPP minimum grade 70s" by additional collector submissions, the percent 70s continue to drop. Here is the percentage of 70s only 7 months later - August 2022:
I have not check to see what the percentages are lately, but will check.
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@Goldbully said:
Latest POPS report from PCGS........lots of 70's in the early going.
Comments welcomed.
Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
.
The numbers seen in the report are from ABPP submissions, no doubt. only ~1800 graded for each unc.....of perhaps 20,000 to 27,500 ordered by the ABPP. Of course, not all ABPP coins went to PCGS.
.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
HSN musta gotta the leftovers. Wasn’t it reported here on the forum that they only got 40% 70’s from the peace dollar? >They wouldn’t fib, would they?
If their submission was for minimum grade 70, then the non-graded <70 coins would not be reflected in the report.
.
Example: in late January of 2022, well after non-ABPP coins were beginning to be factored in, the percent 70 was:
But with further dilution of the initial "ABPP minimum grade 70s" by additional collector submissions, the percent 70s continue to drop. Here is the percentage of 70s only 7 months later - August 2022:
I have not check to see what the percentages are lately, but will check.
Thanks. Excellent explanation. I love this place. Sooooo much available knowledge. Sorry a little “available “ humor. 😂. Seriously, thanks, appreciate your posts. 🙏
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Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
Minimum grade request of “70” is not allowed per PCGS guidelines for submissions.
However, as stated before, the early bird gets the worm. 70’s flow freely early on; then the faucet slowly turns off.
Received my Morgan’s yesterday. Looks like my Peace Dollars will be delivered today. Thank goodness! I only ordered three of each so I’m not going to open them. WFOM is in Rosemont next year so I will submit them at the show.
@MtW124 said:
Received my Morgan’s yesterday. Looks like my Peace Dollars will be delivered today. Thank goodness! I only ordered three of each so I’m not going to open them. WFOM is in Rosemont next year so I will submit them at the show.
For the next year you will be wondering, is there a Director's Strike signed COA in that box?
@coiner said:
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Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
Minimum grade request of “70” is not allowed per PCGS guidelines for submissions.
However, as stated before, the early bird gets the worm. 70’s flow freely early on; then the faucet slowly turns off.
Minimum grade requested cannot be MS/PR70; minimum-70 Bulk Submissions will not be accepted.
I am thinking that PCGS might have different rules for different customers. If so, this would allow for select 'early/large' customers to submit with a min. 70 specification.
Anything is possible. That said, I find it curious, even with pre-screening, that there are ZERO 69 grades among the "advance release" entries.
Received my Peace yesterday 7/18, coins wrapped in paper to fill void. Morgans received 7/17 wrapped in bubble wrap to fill void. Both showed Memphis as return address. No director's strikes. Boo-hoo.
@Glen2022 said:
Received my Peace yesterday 7/18, coins wrapped in paper to fill void. Morgans received 7/17 wrapped in bubble wrap to fill void. Both showed Memphis as return address. No director's strikes. Boo-hoo.
@Glen2022 said:
Received my Peace yesterday 7/18, coins wrapped in paper to fill void. Morgans received 7/17 wrapped in bubble wrap to fill void. Both showed Memphis as return address. No director's strikes. Boo-hoo.
Both my packages were package identical to how yours was. Both my packages also had Memphis as the return address, but looking at tracking, the Morgan dollars were shipped from Coppel, Texas. If you have access to your tracking information I’ll bet yours did also.
@coiner said:
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Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
Minimum grade request of “70” is not allowed per PCGS guidelines for submissions.
However, as stated before, the early bird gets the worm. 70’s flow freely early on; then the faucet slowly turns off.
The "big guys" have different rules, none of which are stated on the website.
Minimum grade requested cannot be MS/PR70; minimum-70 Bulk Submissions will not be accepted.
This is not the "bulk submission" rules for true large submitters. None of those rules are posted anywhere publicly. Ask one of the big boys on this forum. There are a couple.
I have some coins delivered to my house, and some to my PO box. Three of the four boxes arrived on Monday. Based on USPS tracking, the last box will arrive tomorrow. I'm not sure what the holdup was. The three came from Memphis, while the one came from TX. It got to the local "main mail facility" a day after the Memphis boxes.
@Glen2022 said:
Received my Peace yesterday 7/18, coins wrapped in paper to fill void. Morgans received 7/17 wrapped in bubble wrap to fill void. Both showed Memphis as return address. No director's strikes. Boo-hoo.
Both my packages were package identical to how yours was. Both my packages also had Memphis as the return address, but looking at tracking, the Morgan dollars were shipped from Coppel, Texas. If you have access to your tracking information I’ll bet yours did also.
Both of my packages had the Memphis return address, Both were wrapped in bubble wrap.
BTW...am I the only person who is blown away by the fact that between 2021 & 2023...that a "complete set" of Morgan and Peace dollars now contain roughly 10% more coins...after only 2 years!!!
That's assuming you consider these to be part of the "classical/historical" sets.
@SPalladino said:
Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
.
I have not check to see what the percentages are lately, but will check.
.
Done. Illustrating the initial "big guy 70s" being diluted by collector submissions using the 2021 Morgan and Peace issues, I plotted combined PCGS and NGC percent 70s from December 2021 to present.
.
IOW, what you see in early pop reports from primarily ABPP submissions does not indicate how these will grade out when you get around to submitting yours.
Current for the 2023 issues (we'll see if there is a dilution effect in about 6-8 weeks, as collector submission start to get posted on the pop reports):
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Mintage is 275,000 for both. How long does it take the mint to produce these and get them ready to ship in the capsules, boxes, etc? One minted, boxed etc., the mint must store them, and ship them to the distribution centers. Does the mint do anything to ensure that the first coins minted are the first coins shipped to purchasers, or are the coins/boxes mixed together without concern for the order minted? I am guessing the there is no correlation between those produced first and those shipped first. I think It would seem to be a monumental and costly effort to keep track of this (but not impossible) to ensure the first coins minted are shipped first to purchasers.
So if this speculation is accurate, assuming equal grades (for example MS70) is there any real difference between coins that wind up in slabs labeled FDOI, Early Release, First Strike or any other similar label designation.
Is there anyone who has worked at the mint that can and will accurately answer this question?
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2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK +255,904
2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN +210
2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK +255,877
2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN +194
HSN musta gotta the leftovers. Wasn’t it reported here on the forum that they only got 40% 70’s from the peace dollar? They wouldn’t fib, would they? 🤨
It’s shocking!!
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
PEACE:
5 of 10 were loose in Mint box (Memphis).
Coins and capsules looked rough. I'll get a Mint return label and return those.
The others were nice.
.
MORGANS:
9 of 10 looked good (Texas).
Tight fit, no loose coins.
.
If it was a football game I'd say:
MORGAN 45
PEACE 25
.
This is the worst of the Morgans.
Ordered 5 Morgan and 5 Peace. All look good, several Morgans just POP, however one of them has a nick to the left of the M on the obverse.
I am GUESSING that many of these initial submissions had a "minimum grade" specification of 70. Consequently, these preliminary outcomes, which do not include many 69 results, even when they occurred, are not truly representative of the overall distribution.
Why aren't people just recording their box opening process? I'm sure mine would have been deemed valid by PCGS - had there been a certificate in the box.
So I instructed my AI service to either create a video or edit mine to reveal the discovery of a certificate.
It refused - saying that "it would be poor form and quite possibly deceptive".
I am certain that one of the flippers here with their pet bots could modify your AI to create that video. Since they can bust through all of the Mint's crowds and blocking, this should be a breeze!
I'm a flipper of opportunity. I don't use bots so I'd be of no use here... 😅😎
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
Got two peace today, kind of bummed with the quality. One has a deep slice or cut in the rim. Does the mint accept returns?
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
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Sorry to hear that.
This form should be in the box.
Both mine. 1 peace 1 Morgan. 🤢
The field has variations in the pattern. Not spots but a small area of different hue. A heck it’s a spot to the eye, a distraction but not smotz just sticking out enough to say. Ain’t no 70’s. Thanks 🙏
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Yep, my Morgan came today. The box was sealed with tape, but like yours the flap was not sealed. I actually appreciated this because it was so easy to open. Usually, I fight with it and dull my knife each time I open the Mint packages.
Both my Peace and Morgan dollars look great! I can't wait for the proofs and reverse proofs to be issued.
They may not pre-screen them while the others have.
Price is under $100 on ebay already.
For what? Raw or Slabbed?
Either flavor. Under $100. OGP 🐈
Just a random listing not affiliated with the seller. There’s more available.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
My Morgan is flawless. I have not opened my Peace yet.
Raw. Slabbed are only $140ish
Open my 2 coin Morgan box today. No stop tape. Found a TDO!!
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
My first thought was that they didn't seal the flap so that you could use the box for a return. Of course, I was mistaken.
But the tape on that first box really bugged me. This is after I opened it, but you can see how little tape was on that side. Someone could have opened the box without much difficulty.
Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
.
The numbers seen in the report are from ABPP submissions, no doubt. only ~1800 graded for each unc.....of perhaps 20,000 to 27,500 ordered by the ABPP. Of course, not all ABPP coins went to PCGS.
.
If their submission was for minimum grade 70, then the non-graded <70 coins would not be reflected in the report.
.
Example: in late January of 2022, well after non-ABPP coins were beginning to be factored in, the percent 70 was:
But with further dilution of the initial "ABPP minimum grade 70s" by additional collector submissions, the percent 70s continue to drop. Here is the percentage of 70s only 7 months later - August 2022:
I have not check to see what the percentages are lately, but will check.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Thanks. Excellent explanation. I love this place. Sooooo much available knowledge. Sorry a little “available “ humor. 😂. Seriously, thanks, appreciate your posts. 🙏
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
» show previous quotes
Just like the 2021 Morgans and Peace.....early heavy skewing to 70s. Why? Because the big guys submit with a minimum grade request of 70. Anything less than 70 is not graded and sent back.
Minimum grade request of “70” is not allowed per PCGS guidelines for submissions.
However, as stated before, the early bird gets the worm. 70’s flow freely early on; then the faucet slowly turns off.
Additionally Bulk Submission Reqs state:
How Does Grading Work for Bulk Submissions?
Minimum grade requested cannot be MS/PR70; minimum-70 Bulk Submissions will not be accepted.
All quiet on the western front. Looks like we are done for awhile
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Didn't see either one become available this morning.
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Received my Morgan’s yesterday. Looks like my Peace Dollars will be delivered today. Thank goodness! I only ordered three of each so I’m not going to open them. WFOM is in Rosemont next year so I will submit them at the show.
For the next year you will be wondering, is there a Director's Strike signed COA in that box?
Good luck to you.
Good luck to you.
Probably so but I’ll hopefully forget about them once the next shiny object presents itself like proofs and the high relief Liberty in August lol.
I think you should wait until 2030 and then request a "FIRST DECADE OF RELEASE" label!
I think you are on to something!
I am thinking that PCGS might have different rules for different customers. If so, this would allow for select 'early/large' customers to submit with a min. 70 specification.
Anything is possible. That said, I find it curious, even with pre-screening, that there are ZERO 69 grades among the "advance release" entries.
Received my Peace yesterday 7/18, coins wrapped in paper to fill void. Morgans received 7/17 wrapped in bubble wrap to fill void. Both showed Memphis as return address. No director's strikes. Boo-hoo.
Same no card here.
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Both my packages were package identical to how yours was. Both my packages also had Memphis as the return address, but looking at tracking, the Morgan dollars were shipped from Coppel, Texas. If you have access to your tracking information I’ll bet yours did also.
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The "big guys" have different rules, none of which are stated on the website.
This is not the "bulk submission" rules for true large submitters. None of those rules are posted anywhere publicly. Ask one of the big boys on this forum. There are a couple.
I have some coins delivered to my house, and some to my PO box. Three of the four boxes arrived on Monday. Based on USPS tracking, the last box will arrive tomorrow. I'm not sure what the holdup was. The three came from Memphis, while the one came from TX. It got to the local "main mail facility" a day after the Memphis boxes.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Both of my packages had the Memphis return address, Both were wrapped in bubble wrap.
both my packages were in brown boxes.
Economic headlines the mainstream media are hiding from you.
All 10 of my coins have now arrived well packed...and they all look decent...so I'm a happy camper.
I'll let my kids worry about slabbing them...or selling them at a flea market!
BTW...am I the only person who is blown away by the fact that between 2021 & 2023...that a "complete set" of Morgan and Peace dollars now contain roughly 10% more coins...after only 2 years!!!
That's assuming you consider these to be part of the "classical/historical" sets.
I'm looking ahead to the proof editions.
Mintage Limit: 400,000
HHL: 25
Think they will all sell out like the uncs?....400k is a lot.
What are you buying?
Will there be a Director's Strike signed COA?
Just thinking out loud.
Wow!! Really? You should send them to PCGS for grading and slabbing.
.
Done. Illustrating the initial "big guy 70s" being diluted by collector submissions using the 2021 Morgan and Peace issues, I plotted combined PCGS and NGC percent 70s from December 2021 to present.
.
IOW, what you see in early pop reports from primarily ABPP submissions does not indicate how these will grade out when you get around to submitting yours.
Current for the 2023 issues (we'll see if there is a dilution effect in about 6-8 weeks, as collector submission start to get posted on the pop reports):
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
peacockcoins
Mintage is 275,000 for both. How long does it take the mint to produce these and get them ready to ship in the capsules, boxes, etc? One minted, boxed etc., the mint must store them, and ship them to the distribution centers. Does the mint do anything to ensure that the first coins minted are the first coins shipped to purchasers, or are the coins/boxes mixed together without concern for the order minted? I am guessing the there is no correlation between those produced first and those shipped first. I think It would seem to be a monumental and costly effort to keep track of this (but not impossible) to ensure the first coins minted are shipped first to purchasers.
So if this speculation is accurate, assuming equal grades (for example MS70) is there any real difference between coins that wind up in slabs labeled FDOI, Early Release, First Strike or any other similar label designation.
Is there anyone who has worked at the mint that can and will accurately answer this question?
To corroborate with @SPalladino.
Pop Reports as of today.......do I see even more varieties?